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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:58:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:Tika Hemah wrote:
I hope for those of us that trained CDO to 5 based on the dev blog will get a skill point refund.
oh lol, you must be new here.
YOU... must be new here. Every time they have done away with a skill they have refunded the skill points the player spent on that skill to reallocate as they see fit.  http://marlonasky.wordpress.com/ |

mkint
1182
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:06:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:GreenSeed wrote:Tika Hemah wrote:
I hope for those of us that trained CDO to 5 based on the dev blog will get a skill point refund.
oh lol, you must be new here. YOU... must be new here. Every time they have done away with a skill they have refunded the skill points the player spent on that skill to reallocate as they see fit.  except ccp's stance in this case is that no skills are being removed, just repurposed. For reference, I direct your attention to the "ethnic relations" skill that was changed from completely necessary to completely useless with no reimbursement. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:09:00 -
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i'm probably going to train it anyway, 5% more damage is always nice and they might backtrack. it's only like what, a week of skill training? |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1323
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:10:00 -
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Also since we go from 3 ranks of skills to 5, there is no way you actually loose SP when this update happens, you will gain SP in any scenario I can consider. So there is no 'loss' to be compensated for. |

Tika Hemah
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:42:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:GreenSeed wrote:Tika Hemah wrote:
I hope for those of us that trained CDO to 5 based on the dev blog will get a skill point refund.
oh lol, you must be new here. YOU... must be new here. Every time they have done away with a skill they have refunded the skill points the player spent on that skill to reallocate as they see fit. 
Glad I was able to help.
Fly safe. |

Dominus Tempus
Forced Euthanasia
15
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:46:00 -
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Why is this a topic? They've already come out and said directly that if you have Combat Drone Operation V, you'll receive both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation at level 5 once they hit. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9516
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:52:00 -
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mkint wrote:except ccp's stance in this case is that no skills are being removed, just repurposed. For reference, I direct your attention to the "ethnic relations" skill that was changed from completely necessary to completely useless with no reimbursement. Which should have been reimbursed. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Foxstar Damaskeenus
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
121
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:06:00 -
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Frack it! I just want some free skill points man  |

Dominus Tempus
Forced Euthanasia
15
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:15:00 -
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Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:Frack it! I just want some free skill points man  If you have CDO V then you'll get both new skills at level 5 automatically. |

Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars
111
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:51:00 -
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Dominus Tempus wrote:Why is this a topic? They've already come out and said directly that if you have Combat Drone Operation V, you'll receive both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation at level 5 once they hit.
Because you will also get Light and Medium Drone Operation at level 5 if you DON'T have CDO at level 5 but DO have Scout Drone Operation at level 5. If you don't have either at 5 it's more efficient to train SDO than CDO. However, the devblog has not been updated with this fact. This change was confirmed by a CCP response in the thread, but the devblog still contains inaccurate info that would lead people to needlessly train CDO to 5. Hence the PSA by the OP. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9521
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:58:00 -
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They really should just change SDO -> LDO and CDO -> MDO. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Pubbie Spy
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:19:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:They really should just change SDO -> LDO and CDO -> MDO. Stop making sense. |

Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
328
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:57:00 -
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so you're saying i trained a 10d skill on 6 accounts (2 months total training time) due to a dev blog... but now that's all gone, my time was wasted, and also, they are straight up removing that skill itself from the game and not reimbursing the sp?
that sounds like wasted sp then, aka wasted training time... that's not right at all |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9523
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:11:00 -
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I trained it long before the devblog. I still have no clue whether I should be upset about wasted training time or not. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3165
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:16:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I trained it long before the devblog. I still have no clue whether I should be upset about wasted training time or not. is ccp changing something --->yes---> you are outraged | v no | v you are outraged |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1324
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:19:00 -
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Money Makin Mitch wrote:so you're saying i trained a 10d skill on 6 accounts (2 months total training time) due to a dev blog... but now that's all gone, my time was wasted, and also, they are straight up removing that skill itself from the game and not reimbursing the sp?
that sounds like wasted sp then, aka wasted training time... that's not right at all You will have more SP after the change than before the change. I.E. There is no wasted SP. Combat Drone is getting split into 2 skills. & you will get both at the level of Combat Drone
However due to edge cases where someone didn't train Combat Drone Operation but was using T2 drones (Terribly obviously but hey) they also are allowing Scout drone skills to transfer as an instead option.
But you do not loose SP so no need to compensate. In every case you get more SP. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9524
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:23:00 -
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Except the people who trained CDO 5 are getting something they already trained for, whereas those who only had SDO 5 are getting a lot more. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1324
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Except the people who trained CDO 5 are getting something they already trained for, whereas those who only had SDO 5 are getting a lot more. Agreed. In this case I think CCP shouldn't follow their default and simply make people train CDO 5 or not get access to Tech 2 Drones after the update. It's only a 4 day train, there is a month left still, and it's not without precedent for them to not gift free skills to people. But not getting as big a present is not the same thing as loosing things. |

Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility
990
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:48:00 -
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Ah I understand now, thank you everyone for clarifying. I've had them both at 5 for months now though so vOv doesn't impact me. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |

Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
328
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:00:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Money Makin Mitch wrote:so you're saying i trained a 10d skill on 6 accounts (2 months total training time) due to a dev blog... but now that's all gone, my time was wasted, and also, they are straight up removing that skill itself from the game and not reimbursing the sp?
that sounds like wasted sp then, aka wasted training time... that's not right at all You will have more SP after the change than before the change. I.E. There is no wasted SP. Combat Drone is getting split into 2 skills. & you will get both at the level of Combat Drone However due to edge cases where someone didn't train Combat Drone Operation but was using T2 drones (Terribly obviously but hey) they also are allowing Scout drone skills to transfer as an instead option. But you do not loose SP so no need to compensate. In every case you get more SP. if there was no need to train it, i wasted training time. not hard to understand. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1422
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:03:00 -
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Money Makin Mitch wrote:if there was no need to train it, i wasted training time. not hard to understand. Why? Is the skill not working at the moment? Are you not gaining any benefit from it already?
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Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
231
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:13:00 -
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Sure you are getting a benefit from it. But you could be training something else in that time instead and be getting a benefit for *that* instead. |

Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
328
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:18:00 -
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Dalloway Jones wrote:Sure you are getting a benefit from it. But you could be training something else in that time instead and be getting a benefit for *that* instead. pretty much this. i wasted a collective 60d on **** i didn't need due to an erroneous devblog |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1425
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:26:00 -
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Dalloway Jones wrote:Sure you are getting a benefit from it. But you could be training something else in that time instead and be getting a benefit for *that* instead.
Choices --> consequences/benefits.
It was your choice. If you only just trained either of those skills to level 5 (I did too. Just finished CDO to 5 a few days ago), then ok. It's not wasted time and it was your choice to do so.
The information during the lead up to an expansion is often subject to change. I speculated that training CDO to 5 would be good for me, but it turns out that maybe my judgement was wrong because something subject to change, changed.
If you want to be immune to these types of things, then train skills not part of the rebalancing/nerfs/buffs/etc. as part of an expansion. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Ivy greene
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
120
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:28:00 -
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Oh gee, more training. And I thought I was done with drone skills  I've been told I'm somewhat famous, no idea why...
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9531
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:31:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Dalloway Jones wrote:Sure you are getting a benefit from it. But you could be training something else in that time instead and be getting a benefit for *that* instead. Choices --> consequences/benefits. It was your choice. If you only just trained either of those skills to level 5 (I did too. Just finished CDO to 5 a few days ago), then ok. It's not wasted time and it was your choice to do so. The information during the lead up to an expansion is often subject to change. I speculated that training CDO to 5 would be good for me, but it turns out that maybe my judgement was wrong because something subject to change, changed. If you want to be immune to these types of things, then train skills not part of the rebalancing/nerfs/buffs/etc. as part of an expansion. I trained CDO long before this expansion was ever announced. I trained it because it provided benefits to me. If those benefits are then given to people who did not train the skill, then I should be reimbursed in some way for having trained the skill. It's pretty simple. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1425
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:39:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I trained CDO long before this expansion was ever announced. I trained it because it provided benefits to me. If those benefits are then given to people who did not train the skill, then I should be reimbursed in some way for having trained the skill. It's pretty simple.
I liked your earlier post where:
SDO --> LDO and CDO --> MDO
That's seems so obvious a choice that I even wonder how anything else could occur.
I also have no problem with players who trained it long ago seeing some inequity in the way it seems to have been changed.
What I don't have much sympathy for is people who decided to train this just recently because they saw a potential advantage as a result of the devblog, now whining because the original information changed. We know that's always likely around an expansion because often the information is released in order to obtain early community feedback.
I hope Rise/Fozzie or whoever on the Devteam reads your earlier post and recognises the inherent sense of it. That would seem to be equitable to everyone, whether you trained it long ago, or like me, trained CDO to 5 just recently. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
232
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:57:00 -
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Personally I caught the change in the discussion portion of the dev blog so I made sure all my alts have scout drone trained to 5. I could see where people who had trained Combat drone (either a long time ago or as a result of the dev blog) would be annoyed and want a refund if the skill is simply going to disappear now. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1326
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:42:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: I trained CDO long before this expansion was ever announced. I trained it because it provided benefits to me. If those benefits are then given to people who did not train the skill, then I should be reimbursed in some way for having trained the skill. It's pretty simple.
You have received those benefits. +10% drone damage for that entire time you had trained it. Hell, I've even seen you use that same argument yourself on other things. Seriously..... CDO is NOT vanishing. CDO is splitting into 2 skills. SDO is being renamed.
There is just a weird Niche case where SDO is renamed and becomes 2 additional skills as well.
But at no point is CDO being deleted. And at no point do you ever loose SP. |

Arronicus
Ravens' Nest Outlaw Horizon.
939
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:16:00 -
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Money Makin Mitch wrote:so you're saying i trained a 10d skill on 6 accounts (2 months total training time) due to a dev blog... but now that's all gone, my time was wasted, and also, they are straight up removing that skill itself from the game and not reimbursing the sp?
that sounds like wasted sp then, aka wasted training time... that's not right at all
Fortunately, it's a load of bull. Every time that CCP removes skills from the game, at the very least, they reimburse the SP trained into those skills. Anyone who says otherwise is fear-mongering, and wasting your time. |
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