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Tryaz
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:20:00 -
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I just wanted to say publicly how much I admire CCP for their decision to make Project Legion. It takes a lot of guts to change direction like that, presumably there's also a significant cost involved, and I'm proud to support a game developer who believes so strongly in their concept. This, perhaps even more than the content they put out, is why I will continue to support CCP through EVE and eventually through Project Legion.
Bravo!
Narrator of Chronicles of New Eden, the EVE audiobook series. Listen at www.soundcloud.com/chroniclesofneweden |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:39:00 -
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Tryaz wrote:I just wanted to say publicly how much I admire CCP for their decision to make Project Legion. It takes a lot of guts to change direction like that, presumably there's also a significant cost involved, and I'm proud to support a game developer who believes so strongly in their concept. This, perhaps even more than the content they put out, is why I will continue to support CCP through EVE and eventually through Project Legion.
Bravo!
ROFL. Conning dusters and having AUR events knowing that you are going to can a game is fraud. Enjoy Legion @2020! Meanwhile I'm off to playing real AAA rated games.
And no you cant have my stuff that easily! |
Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:05:00 -
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First, yes an announcement needed to be made about whatever long term direction CCP was going to go in with their FPS efforts. I also agree that going PC presents a lot of opportunities for the potential of the game to be reached.
Past that, I feel it needs to be noted that Dust failed not because of a lack of resources on the PS3. It failed because the Devs did not handle the project well, and failed horribly at listening to community feedback. The first visual upgrade caused a massive hit to performance, and after six months of bug fixing that, they essentially cut the team in half and started some of them on Legion.
That they did that, along with continuing to make promises about Dust and saying it had a future while putting boosters on sale is what was insulting.
Add in the timing of the announcement and the seeming lack of preperation to handle basic questions despite some onths of preperation is what has the players up in arms.
Dust wasn't really bad. It just needed real direction. It never had it and suffered because of it. Everyone was told that Rouge was brought in to provide that direction, not spearhead the PC effort.
Heck, I bet if CCP had said from the off the Rouge had been brought in just for Legion, I am confident that it would have gone over great with the players. |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:23:00 -
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And to add on;- incompetency is a trait that can be worked on and fixed. I have incompetent Devs working for me too. I cant help it because the market is big and skillset low. But with a little bit of training and some proper guidance I have thought a few of my Devs to get some level of competence.
Its not hard. It just takes a little bit of time and patience. CCP has showed over time that the lack of skill can be overcome.
When I decided to take a break from Dust last year in September and came back this year in Mar, CCP had improved a lot. If they had the same momentum going and listened to our feedback Dust would have achieved greatness. But instead they decided to try and please the upper management by showing a new version of the game on the PC.
As someone that handles projects for one of the biggest banks in the world I will tell you this;- the ROI will not pan out. If a project you are working on starts to show promise you work with the business to improve on it. You get your marketing teams involved and figure out how best to showcase the good in your product to potential new customers.
Instead what CCP has done is promoted AUR events after making the decision to can the project. IRL we call that fraud or a ponzi scheme. If a company is not going to work on a project why promote events that make people spend real money?
Anyway you look at it;- it comes down to fraud.
And that is my because problem with CCP. Knowing that they may not work on Dust 6 months to 1 year down the line they should not have promoted AUR events.
Best of Luck with ROFLLegion! |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:10:00 -
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I don't understand the concept of players being "scammed" out of AUR items and such.
Firstly, and most basically, money was spent on items that were then used in game... not sure how that is a scam. If you paid money and were delivered nothing, that's a scam, but exchanging money for entertainment is not.
Secondly, transfer of characters into Legion means even the people who "only invested because of the promise of a future" still can collect on the investment.
Thirdly, if the game's servers were closed down and support ended, like with most games, they can't beg for reimbursement. At least this way the game lives on to become what everyone wanted it to be. Sorry its not going to do so on an outdated machine, but it couldn't do it there regardless. Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine! |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:20:00 -
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Also it's pointless to complain that FTP is a scam because it essentially is a one designed make you spend more money then you would do with regular subscriptions. What FTP as a concept is, is an endless trial with pay options to get a full gaming experience and what most people are missing is that this doesn't equal free or even cheap when compared to subscription model.
Now that dust is finally at the end of it's life time it's players have suddenly realised that "hey I have used a a truck load of money on a console game, teh horror !" and start rioting fruitlessly in various forums. |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:39:00 -
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ROFL!
#TinFoilHat
Burseg Sardaukar wrote:I don't understand the concept of players being "scammed" out of AUR items and such. Firstly, and most basically, money was spent on items that were then used in game... not sure how that is a scam. If you paid money and were delivered nothing, that's a scam, but exchanging money for entertainment is not.
Does the term Laser Focused come to mind? If not let me refresh;- At Eve Vegas CCP stated that they are "Laser Focused" on a development plan for Dust on the PS3 for the next 10 years. For the twinklebrains that did not get this I have bolded, italicised and underlined that for you.
Also just last month on the dust forums when we asked if dust will be next after WOD CCP Saberwing said there will be lots of things showed about Dust in the FF. Was there any? Nope! Nadda! Zilch!
This caused a lot of people to believe in CCP and buy AUR packs for the events. If you knew a game was ending would you spend money on it? CCP lied and hence its a scam.
Burseg Sardaukar wrote: Secondly, transfer of characters into Legion means even the people who "only invested because of the promise of a future" still can collect on the investment.
Excuse moi! It has not been confirmed that all SP/Investment will be moved to Legion. Only "relevant" information will be transfered. Now twinklebrains;- if you had seen the progression chart there are no vehicles. Just Scouts, Assaults, Logis and Sentienals. Anyone who specked into vehicles and commandos are shafted.
Still here with me????
Burseg Sardaukar wrote: Thirdly, if the game's servers were closed down and support ended, like with most games, they can't beg for reimbursement. At least this way the game lives on to become what everyone wanted it to be. Sorry its not going to do so on an outdated machine, but it couldn't do it there regardless.
If you are planning on shutting down the servers you dont beg your playerbase for money. Look at MAG. When they were shutting down with servers did their devs beg for money?
Why promote SP events and promote users to buy AUR when you arre planning on shutting down support?
#MadoffWannabes #DustPonzi |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:44:00 -
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Baneken wrote:Also it's pointless to complain that FTP is a scam because it essentially is a one designed make you spend more money then you would do with regular subscriptions. What FTP as a concept is, is an endless trial with pay options to get a full gaming experience and what most people are missing is that this doesn't equal free or even cheap when compared to subscription model.
Now that dust is finally at the end of it's life time it's players have suddenly realised that "hey I have used a a truck load of money on a console game, teh horror !" and start rioting fruitlessly in various forums.
Dude whatever you are smoking seems to be some re-hea-ly good stuff. Who is your supplier bro? I would like his number.
There are times after work I wish I could smoke that really powerful hallucinogen that you are smoking wishing I was having a threesome with CCP Mintchip and Katee Sackhoff!
This is not about loosing virtual money twinklebrain;- its about spending RL Money on a promise that was not kept. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:50:00 -
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What promise maybe I'm jaded after 7 years with EVE but I have never taken seriously anything that advertisement / car sales men / vendors / game developers say about their products. If you were naive enough take on a sales pitch on a full face value then it's your problem not mine and bear in mind that even CCP are people too and they often promise things they cannot keep in the end even if they would love to. |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:58:00 -
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Baneken wrote:What promise maybe I'm jaded after 7 years with EVE but I have never taken seriously anything that advertisement / car sales men / vendors / game developers say about their products. If you were naive enough take on a sales pitch on a full face value then it's your problem not mine and bear in mind that even CCP are people too and they often promise things they cannot keep in the end even if they would love to.
Reserved to reply at a later time. I actually have better things to do now! |
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Nosum Hseebnrido
Interregnum.
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:00:00 -
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Burseg Sardaukar wrote:I don't understand the concept of players being "scammed" out of AUR items and such.
Firstly, and most basically, money was spent on items that were then used in game... not sure how that is a scam. If you paid money and were delivered nothing, that's a scam, but exchanging money for entertainment is not.
Secondly, transfer of characters into Legion means even the people who "only invested because of the promise of a future" still can collect on the investment.
Thirdly, if the game's servers were closed down and support ended, like with most games, they can't beg for reimbursement. At least this way the game lives on to become what everyone wanted it to be. Sorry its not going to do so on an outdated machine, but it couldn't do it there regardless. As you said, you don't understand.
It's something like paying for one year subscription of EVE hoping that it(the game) will last forever, and after month of play getting clear message from CCP that product will no longer evolve because they are focus on new game, and probably EVE will soon die, but hey thx for your donation.
People that were buying AURM where doing investments not only for 'todays match' but for several years of they characters existence in New Eden. In eyes of those people CCP lost credibility - do you think it's good for CCP? Dusters already massively delete their characters and ask Sony for reimbursements. During the DUST 514 cycle of life CCP several times promise something and latter on failed to deliver it, people were angry on them, they rage for some time, but were looking in the future, their were not leaving DUST, they were faithful.. and now they paid the price.
Doing stuff that CCP made it's not good for business.. |
Tryaz
Improvised Tactics
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:49:00 -
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Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote:Excuse moi! It has not been confirmed that all SP/Investment will be moved to Legion. Only "relevant" information will be transfered. Now twinklebrains;- if you had seen the progression chart there are no vehicles. Just Scouts, Assaults, Logis and Sentienals. Anyone who specked into vehicles and commandos are shafted.
Epic name and thanks for your contribution to the thread. Whilst you may eventually be vindicated in the above I don't think we can yet sensibly speculate on the progression trees for Project Legion. Sure vehicles weren't included but those were simply example progression trees. During the Q&A you'll recall that the absence of the Commando Dropsuit from the progression tree was raised, to which the dev answered that this tree was a work in progress and they were still hashing out where everything was going to fit in.
Keep up the interest. For the sake of the thread if you could please refrain from using unnecessary antagonisms like referring to others as twinklebrains that'd be great (you'd make a much stronger argument without all that too) Narrator of Chronicles of New Eden, the EVE audiobook series. Listen at www.soundcloud.com/chroniclesofneweden |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:07:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
356
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:07:00 -
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Nosum Hseebnrido wrote:Burseg Sardaukar wrote:I don't understand the concept of players being "scammed" out of AUR items and such.
Firstly, and most basically, money was spent on items that were then used in game... not sure how that is a scam. If you paid money and were delivered nothing, that's a scam, but exchanging money for entertainment is not.
Secondly, transfer of characters into Legion means even the people who "only invested because of the promise of a future" still can collect on the investment.
Thirdly, if the game's servers were closed down and support ended, like with most games, they can't beg for reimbursement. At least this way the game lives on to become what everyone wanted it to be. Sorry its not going to do so on an outdated machine, but it couldn't do it there regardless. As you said, you don't understand. It's something like paying for one year subscription of EVE hoping that it(the game) will last forever, and after month of play getting clear message from CCP that product will no longer evolve because they are focus on new game, and probably EVE will soon die, but hey thx for your donation. People that were buying AURM where doing investments not only for 'todays match' but for several years of they characters existence in New Eden. In eyes of those people CCP lost credibility - do you think it's good for CCP? Dusters already massively delete their characters and ask Sony for reimbursements. During the DUST 514 cycle of life CCP several times promise something and latter on failed to deliver it, people were angry on them, they rage for some time, but were looking in the future, their were not leaving DUST, they were faithful.. and now they paid the price. Doing stuff that CCP made it's not good for business..
I don't understand because I purchased all kinds of boosters myself and am ecstatic that Legion is coming. I am shocked that the Dust514 Keynote didn't mention anything about Uprising 1.9, but the fact that Dust PC is on the way and my character will transfer made me worry a lot less.
CCP screwed up with the timing of the message delivery, sure, but the message itself is awesome: A bright future for a great game on a more capable platform. With character transfers a high priority, there's nothing to hate.
I think Baneken hit it on the head, though, purchasing a game solely with the hope that it will be around forever (especially one on an outdated system) is rather foolish. CCP should have timed the information release a lot better, but this day was inevitable. Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine! |
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