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Lil Belle
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:07:00 -
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Field command ship build cost: 80m Sell price: 150m (even for ones like the Absolution)
HAC build cost: 20m Sell price: 200-260m
All have the same build time, 1d 6h when researched.
Field command ships are basically bigger HACS, they have the same kinds of bonuses that the hacs have.
Field command ship costs 4 times as much to build as a HAC, but sells for almost two times less, some already do, and with the current drop in prices, soon will be two times less.
Something is borked thats for sure, are HACS to good? Or are Field command ships to crap?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:09:00 -
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Most people arent skilled enough for command ships yet. They will rise in price if demand is ever greater than supply, like with the hacs. --- The Eve Wiki Project |
Grainsalt
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:10:00 -
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It takes (for me at least) 50 more days to get to use a field command than a hac.. and you need to fly hacs to get one anyway.. So there is point one..
Point 2.. The DPS for the Nighthawk is margionally better than a cerb.. and rubbish compared to other command ships.. So there is point two..
Point 3.. You may as well fly a tier 2 bs so people do, unless of course you use them for what they are intended for which is gang operations.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:10:00 -
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Check the skill requirements.
You're gonna find out that there wont be enough pilots with the needed skills to drive the prices of the command ships up (yet).
Give it six months or a year and the situation will be much different. --*=*=*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Most people arent skilled enough for command ships yet. They will rise in price if demand is ever greater than supply, like with the hacs.
yup yup thats what i thought too.
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Komoku
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:11:00 -
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Supply and demand. There are much less pilots with the skills to fly command ships compared to hacs so the demand is much less which results in lower prices.
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Lil Belle
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grainsalt It takes (for me at least) 50 more days to get to use a field command than a hac.. and you need to fly hacs to get one anyway.. So there is point one..
Point 2.. The DPS for the Nighthawk is margionally better than a cerb.. and rubbish compared to other command ships.. So there is point two..
Point 3.. You may as well fly a tier 2 bs so people do, unless of course you use them for what they are intended for which is gang operations.
Im refering to Field command ships, they arnt so much designed for gang operations, sure they can fit 1 gang warfare module, but thats hardly anything to what those ships are capable off, with their bonuses and stats, you could refer to a field command ship as a heavy HAC.
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lil Belle Field command ship build cost: 80m Sell price: 150m (even for ones like the Absolution)
HAC build cost: 20m Sell price: 200-260m
All have the same build time, 1d 6h when researched.
Field command ships are basically bigger HACS, they have the same kinds of bonuses that the hacs have.
Field command ship costs 4 times as much to build as a HAC, but sells for almost two times less, some already do, and with the current drop in prices, soon will be two times less.
Something is borked thats for sure, are HACS to good? Or are Field command ships to crap?
Because their skill requirements are insane.
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R Dan
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dinique Because their skill requirements are insane.[/quote
QFT :P
I've flown HACs since they came out - i was an avid blasterthax fan so already had the skills i needed to train HAC skill when they were released.
Now I've got 30+ mill skill points, and I'm still 4 weeks away from flying a combat command ship..... shear madness! and I love it!
HACs are becomming too expensive for me to fly, so command are marginly better and much cheaper hense why I've decided to skill for one.
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Grainsalt
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lil Belle
Originally by: Grainsalt It takes (for me at least) 50 more days to get to use a field command than a hac.. and you need to fly hacs to get one anyway.. So there is point one..
Point 2.. The DPS for the Nighthawk is margionally better than a cerb.. and rubbish compared to other command ships.. So there is point two..
Point 3.. You may as well fly a tier 2 bs so people do, unless of course you use them for what they are intended for which is gang operations.
Im refering to Field command ships, they arnt so much designed for gang operations, sure they can fit 1 gang warfare module, but thats hardly anything to what those ships are capable off, with their bonuses and stats, you could refer to a field command ship as a heavy HAC.
Yup I know, I fly one..
Point being, they do have the bonus for the modules.. But as other people have said, if you have to go through the HAC route anyway to get to a Field Command ship why bother ... They are horrendously slow compared to a HAC, which is why the HAC is more popular, hence more expensive.
Especially when you have to learn leadership V and Squadren Command 4 which most people won't use, except (which was my point) if you are using them in a gang. Alot of HAC pilots I know fly them solo or in a group of 2. ---
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Khatred
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:45:00 -
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It's funny how people always overlook the prices of Sacrilege, Eagle and Muninn , wich are, last time I checked, also HACs. _______________________________________________
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 24/05/2006 12:48:55
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It's funny how people always overlook the prices of Sacrilege, Eagle and Muninn , wich are, last time I checked, also HACs.
I think that's because they suck.... comparitively.
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Grainsalt
Originally by: Lil Belle
Originally by: Grainsalt It takes (for me at least) 50 more days to get to use a field command than a hac.. and you need to fly hacs to get one anyway.. So there is point one..
Point 2.. The DPS for the Nighthawk is margionally better than a cerb.. and rubbish compared to other command ships.. So there is point two..
Point 3.. You may as well fly a tier 2 bs so people do, unless of course you use them for what they are intended for which is gang operations.
Im refering to Field command ships, they arnt so much designed for gang operations, sure they can fit 1 gang warfare module, but thats hardly anything to what those ships are capable off, with their bonuses and stats, you could refer to a field command ship as a heavy HAC.
Yup I know, I fly one..
Point being, they do have the bonus for the modules.. But as other people have said, if you have to go through the HAC route anyway to get to a Field Command ship why bother ... They are horrendously slow compared to a HAC, which is why the HAC is more popular, hence more expensive.
Especially when you have to learn leadership V and Squadren Command 4 which most people won't use, except (which was my point) if you are using them in a gang. Alot of HAC pilots I know fly them solo or in a group of 2.
But your basicly missing the point of a command ship ENTIRELY.
It's not designed as some kind of UBER hac. ITS A GANG SUPPORT SHIP. The skill requirements are significant because the benefit of a command ship over a HAC in a gang is significant, especially with a mindlink implant in. .... POST WITH YOUR MAIN !!!!11111one
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:50:00 -
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Skill Requirements and currently a sufficient supply of them is what I can say as a lucky Damnation BPO owner. So many people I talk to would be interested in one, but only so few can fly them (me beeing one who can't fly them either ). However, they move through quite ok, considering that only about 5 can be bult in a week from one BPO.
Once people get those insane skill requirements sorted the demand will be rising, and as soon as it hits the supply the price will follow, like it did for HACs.
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Grainsalt
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh
Originally by: Grainsalt
Originally by: Lil Belle
Originally by: Grainsalt It takes (for me at least) 50 more days to get to use a field command than a hac.. and you need to fly hacs to get one anyway.. So there is point one..
Point 2.. The DPS for the Nighthawk is margionally better than a cerb.. and rubbish compared to other command ships.. So there is point two..
Point 3.. You may as well fly a tier 2 bs so people do, unless of course you use them for what they are intended for which is gang operations.
Im refering to Field command ships, they arnt so much designed for gang operations, sure they can fit 1 gang warfare module, but thats hardly anything to what those ships are capable off, with their bonuses and stats, you could refer to a field command ship as a heavy HAC.
Yup I know, I fly one..
Point being, they do have the bonus for the modules.. But as other people have said, if you have to go through the HAC route anyway to get to a Field Command ship why bother ... They are horrendously slow compared to a HAC, which is why the HAC is more popular, hence more expensive.
Especially when you have to learn leadership V and Squadren Command 4 which most people won't use, except (which was my point) if you are using them in a gang. Alot of HAC pilots I know fly them solo or in a group of 2.
But your basicly missing the point of a command ship ENTIRELY.
It's not designed as some kind of UBER hac. ITS A GANG SUPPORT SHIP. The skill requirements are significant because the benefit of a command ship over a HAC in a gang is significant, especially with a mindlink implant in.
No I am not, I just stated that... ---
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:53:00 -
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So do I but a Vulture now whilst it's cheap?
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Grainsalt
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Posted - 2006.05.24 13:02:00 -
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Well put it this way, I just bought 2 as backup's becuase I know that the price will go through the roof when people abuse their use..
I know that is self defeating as I am feeding the problem, but hell, they are too nice to use if used correctly. Even though I wish CCP would sort out the cruddy DPS of the nighthawk, but its a *****ing tank .. Great for gang operations when you can hang back a bit.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.24 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80 So do I but a Vulture now whilst it's cheap?
Hard to predict how the new battleships and battlecruisers in Kali One will affect the market. I personally think those ships will have higher demand than the command ships since they both have lower skill requirements and are new.
The command ships look like fantastic tankers though.
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ReaperOfSly
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Posted - 2006.05.24 13:34:00 -
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Lol I think i'd better get a command ship while they're cheap (sod the skills, i can get those later) --------------------------------------------------------------------
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EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2006.05.24 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lil Belle Field command ship build cost: 80m Sell price: 150m (even for ones like the Absolution)
HAC build cost: 20m Sell price: 200-260m
All have the same build time, 1d 6h when researched.
Field command ships are basically bigger HACS, they have the same kinds of bonuses that the hacs have.
Field command ship costs 4 times as much to build as a HAC, but sells for almost two times less, some already do, and with the current drop in prices, soon will be two times less.
Something is borked thats for sure, are HACS to good? Or are Field command ships to crap?
No CCP should release more bpo's they starve the market and with long build times and research time it make the stuff hard to get.
you cannot hardly even find acrow these days And try for a vagabond.
ccp lets us play! give more bpo's
Thanks
EvilDoomer
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Manus Ghostface
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Posted - 2006.05.24 20:49:00 -
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Its like the big run on Cabbage Patch kids in the 80's. More buyers than sellers=price spikes. Laissez faire economics is a lot stronger than forum complaints, so don't expect a price reduction out of the blue. That city is well fortified which has a wall of men instead of brick. - Lycurgus |
Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.05.24 20:52:00 -
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SUPPLY AND DEMAND! SUPPLY AND DEMAND!! SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!!
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9854365
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Posted - 2006.05.24 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: 9854365 on 24/05/2006 20:55:49 SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH please stop blatting about this..Those with no clue will start training for them!!!!!!!!!!! Command ships are gimped, the do less damage then frigs...They are slower then an impel with 7 expanders and die too quickly!!!!!!!!!
Nothing to see here.....hacs are uber.....you need a hac!!!!
Me puts tinfoil hat back on!!!
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.05.24 21:26:00 -
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Well, it's hard to say right now. Besides the (high) skills reqs, t2 battlecruisers have a lot of weaknesses -- slow speed combined with large sigrad being one common factor. Also, CCP is bringing out some sort of tech reverse engineering stuff... maybe that will affect t2 ship prices, maybe it won't. Hard to say.
I doubt we'll see the same kind of price rush as we did with HACs. There are now lots of alternate ship choices out there, and more on the way.
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