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Das Yad
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Das Yad on 06/09/2006 17:01:33 Edited by: Das Yad on 06/09/2006 16:52:54 <3 for this thread, also in some enviroments with the different system colours i cant see if certain mods are active or not, like railguns loaded with spike this is exremley fun in fleet battles with the lag & all =[
oh and having a re-read i missed the map post =x its really annoying checking the route manually rather than checking for no red dots when afking =x and the little dots are like tiny =/
and another edit same with the guns its sometimes hard to tell whats agressing me and whats just got me locked in certain systems also
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Roddic
Gallente The Blood Roses
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Posted - 2006.09.07 00:03:00 -
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just out of curiosity. you tell us what colours you have trouble with. what colours do the colour blind see well.
for example if i was to make a new game, instead of a red/green colour scheme what would be better suited to the colour blind.
If there is more than one form of colour blindness out there, can you list it, and the oppssing colours you see well. (ie. red/green = bad, but blue/yellow = good.)
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BREECE SUNDARES
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Posted - 2006.09.07 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: BREECE SUNDARES on 07/09/2006 01:47:06 Edited by: BREECE SUNDARES on 07/09/2006 01:44:51 on my escape menu there are sliders for red, green and blue under the graphics menu....dont those help any? i can drastically alter the colors on my menus with them. not sure if it helps your condition though.
nvm...just realized it doesnt effect the inside portion of the window where the red/green boxes are......
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SlyPanther
The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.07 06:33:00 -
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Thats one of my other issues, not being able to tell in some systems if my weapons or other modules are active or not. I normally have to try and tilt the camera around enough to see if something is active, as with mining lasers it stays on but doesn't do anything. This sometimes happens with webifiers and so on as well, although not often enough at this stage.
Once again I would like to thank everyone for helping out with tips on this thread and for those who have similar problems, if not the same one as myself. I hope CCP jump on the band wagon and maybe even allow us to change some minimal settings like symbols or minor colour's. ----------
Steve Irwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia ** -RiP- Steve ** |
Mary Anne
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Posted - 2006.09.07 09:56:00 -
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needs a bump
Also I cant see, why CCP didnt instantly help 8%-10% of their playerbase. This is a valid request, which needs fixing.
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DrAtomic
Polytope Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.07 10:59:00 -
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/signed same problem here red/green, purple/black, green/yellow basicly all pastels or colours that are close to each other. ----------------------------------------------- The BIG Lottery |
Norris Neophitus
Minmatar Hidden Agenda
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Posted - 2006.09.07 11:52:00 -
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Yeah i cant ague with this, though eve is a game its good practice to allow for such things as this.
Tho I would like to see some more suggestions from the OP on how eve should be changed to fix this as i dont think the black and white option would work as the backgrounds tend to be dark and black/dark grey would be difficult to see.
Originally by: Wild Rho -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not emo, I just hate my life and no one understands me ----------------------------- |
SlyPanther
The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.07 17:42:00 -
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We have had a few suggestions as to maybe using symbols as well and leaving the colours the way they are. Giving players the option to be able to change the colours themselves as well. I would even be happy to leave Red as skill needed but change the other one from Green to white or another colour.
If you have a look in the page before hand a few people have put in some threads and one is there with a T-Shirt that has a statement on it that my friends told me what it was as I can not see anything there but lots of dots. So with that in mind it makes people see the difficultly people with the same problem as me have to deal with. In game this can mean life or death, a player flashing red or a green one looks the same. I now actually change my "at war" colour to something else and have it flash at me, this makes for interesting times though :D ----------
Steve Irwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia ** -RiP- Steve ** |
Sovereign533
Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.07 22:16:00 -
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can't you change the settings on your videocard? or windows?
Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed... i'm 1337 now... |
SlyPanther
The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.08 03:08:00 -
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I have been asked about the G-Crad before and I dont have a setting in it. This could be due to the fact it's an old card after my good one died last year. And with winblows there "could" be an option, but being windows it's probably hidden and could make things even worse. ----------
Steve Irwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia ** -RiP- Steve ** |
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Sovereign533
Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.08 07:48:00 -
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with Windows XP, i have the option "high contrast" in (i think it's called) Accessability (in english, i have a dutch version of windows). and this gives me options to change the colour displayed by Windows. to only specific colours.
that doesn't work?
Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed... i'm 1337 now... |
Steven Dynahir
Gallente Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj
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Posted - 2006.09.08 09:11:00 -
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Quote: for example if i was to make a new game, instead of a red/green colour scheme what would be better suited to the colour blind.
Red = Green = Red (99% cases of Colourblindness, others are yellow/blue or something like that. So basically if one wan't "perfect" colours, use black&white)
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Piotr Anatolev
Gallente The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.14 07:42:00 -
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Definatley.
Me not having issues with colors, I do have issues with me eyes. The chat windows have 3 different size character settings, why not the rest of the UI as well as colors.
This is something ccp definately should look into.
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Kraven Kor
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.22 21:52:00 -
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Not that I really want to see much in the way of resources pulled away from other important stuff, but...
what about a skinnable UI? Or at least UI customizations to include changing all color-sensitive cues.
For instance, the icon brackets around ships locking or firing at you -- let them change it to something they can make out.
This could solve a number of issues, like maybe letting me move my drones window around and minimizing it seperate from my overview. Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?
Strength through Unity, Discipline, and Honor! |
ChronoLynx
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.11.24 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mandrake I looked up color blindness on wikipedia and was surprised to see that roughly 8% of males are colorblind (women 0.4%).
As i¦m not colorblind i would appreciate some input on what aspects of the game could be improved to benifit the color blind population of eve.
ps. being color blind is not all bad... in select situations color blind people have advantages over people with normal color vision. Color blind hunters are better at picking out prey against a confusing background, and the military have found that color blind soldiers can sometimes see through camouflage that fools everyone else. - wikipedia.org
Here is a site to see what the colour blind see.
http://colorfilter.wickline.org/
Pretty neat shtuff if you ask me!
Elitest Carebear with Fangs and Claws |
ChronoLynx
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.11.24 09:38:00 -
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Sorry about a double post but as about 50% of my RL friends are colour blind I have to do this...
1). Non-Colour Blind Person
2). Colour Blind Person without Red Cones
3). Colour Blind Person without Green Cones
4). Colour Blind Person without Blue Cones... who cares
Sorry about the huge spam of images... change it if you want!
Elitest Carebear with Fangs and Claws |
More Ahn
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:17:00 -
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I'm hoping you mis-posted those images, Chrono... they all look the same from here. |
Aron Palatine
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:42:00 -
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This needs a sticky, And some more DEV intervention. This issue ties in VERY nicly with my/the idea for a WOW-Style Customizable interface.
Yes, this will take time. Yes, this will be something that could be difficult to do. HOWEVER: The Players Want It. Give It To Us. That's as easy as I can say it.
I say we've got 100+ posts of Ayes, and only 1 Nay (which is really a Aye in desguise). I personally would be happier with a custom UI before I got any more content. Is there room for abuse? Maybe, but the ability to have sooooo many problems solved is just staggering.
/Signed. /Bumpage too.
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ChronoLynx
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: ChronoLynx on 26/11/2006 20:49:39
Originally by: More Ahn I'm hoping you mis-posted those images, Chrono... they all look the same from here.
More Ahn, you are colour blind... |
Quarc
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Posted - 2006.11.27 10:58:00 -
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/sign
No reason not to?
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Vellaron
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Posted - 2006.11.27 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Vellaron on 27/11/2006 20:59:10
About 10% of males are red-green color blind. Approx 1 in 20 or 5.00% or 13.6 million people in USA. Considering that what? 95% of MMO gamers are male if you had 20,000 subscribers playing then 1950 would be having real difficulty in many areas of EVE.
The new scanning probe system has red, yellow and green to measure the quality of the results that get returned (see image: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=430608). Yeah, color blind people cant tell the difference. So a simple solution would be to add dots into the icon, lets say 3 small stylish dots beside or above the circle indicate a full strength result and 1 dot would represent a poor result. You can also use for example in the skill prerequisites have red crosses and green ticks to distinguish by shape as well as color.
Maybe a better solution would be to just add an advanced colors section to the options menu. You can already change the color of the overall interface so i wouldnt think its too much work to let people customise on a more granular level. If i could change the colors of key areas, general alert and notification indicators and such then it would be perfect. Maybe what we could do in this thread is come up with a list of areas that give us the most trouble.
One place i really have trouble with is the flashing red plate behind someones name in the overview, people who are hostile to me and that i can attack. It appears to be quite a dark shade and i have to really look hard to distinguish it.
While im on the subject, changing the interface scale like you can in world of warcraft would be great. I would love to play at a higher resolution but im currently forced to play on 1440x900 because 1920x1200 is just far too small to read anything.
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ChronoLynx
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.11.28 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vellaron Edited by: Vellaron on 27/11/2006 20:59:10
Considering that what? 95% of MMO gamers are male if you had 20,000 subscribers playing then 1950 would be having real difficulty in many areas of EVE.
This is laughable. TBH about 1/3 or 2/5 people who play MMOs are females now. Females have found there way into the gaming community and kick my ass everytime I play games with them.
But back to more important matters, lets say that 10% of the eve community is colour blind and at last count there were 130,000 subsciber. That is about 13,000 people are colourblind assuming no-one has alts. |
Wertoc
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 05:03:00 -
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Edited by: Wertoc on 29/11/2006 05:05:40 I agree but im not color blind, but it so frustrating when you are activating 8 turrets, and you cant see if they are already activated or not, it must be an very easy way to fix this 'bug' cause this one has been around for too long, scale upp the green/red glow on the modules when de/activated or something...
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Almarez
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: SlyPanther Edited by: SlyPanther on 25/05/2006 14:33:41 Yes, I spelt Colour with a U, thats how it's done before any replies.
Ok, what I would like and I have mailed the team about before, this would be about 6months or more ago I did this, is a mod that would allow me to change certain colour options in game. When I view the market I can not tell just glancing at a module if I can use it without going into details and looking at the skills.
I am in the minority of EVE users who have a colour deficiency, I myself am Red/Green colour deficient. Meaning that I have NFI what the colour I am viewing is when both are next to one another. I have purchased items before when I thought I could use them only to discover that I just wasted 15 milion ISK on something I have to wait a week to use. I am not sure if this could be done with a simple change, but anything would be good for us. Even a small change so I could make it say, black and white for skills needed and known.
Thanks for taking the time to look over the idea.
I don't have this condition but I believe that this would be a good help for people who do.
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Yolo
Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.30 11:29:00 -
[115]
/signed
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.30 12:38:00 -
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Yup, the whole Colour Blind issue is a big one. I suspect CCP would score big ones if they made the UI more configurable for vision impaired users. So things like font size, colours in prices, etc.
The classic example I give in my lectures on Accessibility is the matrix "take the blue/red pill". Of course, not an exact colour blind example, but a good enough explanation for those who cannot grasp it.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ithildin on 30/11/2006 13:18:40
Originally by: FinrodFelagund Edited by: FinrodFelagund on 09/08/2006 04:44:10 /signed as well
My problem is with Security status on the map. I can't really tell teh difference between .3-.6 and its really rather annoying :/
[shamless plug of my other colorblind post]
00FFFF for 1.0 00CCFF for .9 0099FF for .8 0066FF for .7 0033FF for .6 0000FF for .5 FFFF00 for .4 FFCC00 for .3 FFCC00 for .2 FFCCOO for .1 990000 for 0.0
Would be right for me.
I've taken the time to sort of... generate an example of these colours. The colours are: 1.0 0.8 0.6 0.5 0.4 0.2 0.0
EVE-files image - EVE is sick. |
W1ck3d 8uZz
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.30 13:41:00 -
[118]
/signed
gl
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Major Death
Caldari Space Salvage Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 14:45:00 -
[119]
/Signed
It would be handy to alter the colour scheme in the game, as the range of colour blindness is quite large, and different schemes would suit different players.
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eeski
Amarr Shih Yang Tong Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area . The truth is this problem affects 8% of the playerbase (assuming a reasonable cross section and no prevalance to colour blindness amongst those who regularly use VDU's), and yet a lot of effort will have to be expended into changing the system for the ENTIRE playerbase.
i know u posted this to even things up but 8% of ppl is now for ccp 8000 customers or more as the ppl subscribing is now over 100,000 ppl
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