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Benefactor
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:28:00 -
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Why are there sentry guns in these systems if they serve no appreciable purpose? If they are supposed to have a marginal CONCORD prescence (as in, some compared to none), why can a 16 year old with no job and a lot of free time effectively shut down a gate with his noob Raven?
CONCORD should either send reinforcements in these areas if there are too many kills around a gate in a given hour, or those worthless sentry guns should actually do something.
I believe the devs intended semi-lawless space to be a place for hunter-killers to chase belt miners, not perpetual gate camps.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:32:00 -
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Your post is inaccurate and childish.
A single battleship by no means shuts down a gate.
Just because a person chooses a different playstyle from you does not make them 16 years old.
If you can't hack it then stay out of lowsec space.
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Brisi
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris Your post is inaccurate and childish.
A single battleship by no means shuts down a gate.
Just because a person chooses a different playstyle from you does not make them 16 years old.
If you can't hack it then stay out of lowsec space.
What Deja said.
ohh, I will add this:
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Benefactor
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Benefactor on 25/05/2006 20:36:39 Ooookay. Let's hear a response, refuting mine or not, that doesn't sound like it came straight out of WoW's Barrens.
Oh, I call your "childish" card, and raise you two "learn to plays" and "if you don't like it get a Raven."
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:37:00 -
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Post with your main?
Originally by: duffmantt
the majority of -10's you meet will be highly skilled.
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:39:00 -
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No ship in the game can permantently tank sentries alone and all ships give up loads of DPS to do it for any length of time.
Sentry guns are fine, if they were any stronger low-sec would be identical to high-sec as long as you kept out the belts.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/05/2006 20:40:20
Originally by: Benefactor Why are there sentry guns in these systems if they serve no appreciable purpose? If they are supposed to have a marginal CONCORD prescence (as in, some compared to none), why can a 16 year old with no job and a lot of free time effectively shut down a gate with his noob Raven?
CONCORD should either send reinforcements in these areas if there are too many kills around a gate in a given hour, or those worthless sentry guns should actually do something.
I believe the devs intended semi-lawless space to be a place for hunter-killers to chase belt miners, not perpetual gate camps.
They do serve a purpose. They cant be tanked forever and the attacker will sooner or later have to warp away. 0.1 to 0.4 have sentry guns but no police, and are therefore low sec. These systems are supposed to be more dangerous than 0.5 to 1.0 systems.
Many of us like pvp and enjoy fighting in these systems. If you think you cant handle these systems, you should avoid them or create instant bookmarks when you travel through them.
Please dont try to change the game many of us love because you dont enjoy that part of the game. --- The Eve Wiki Project |
Benefactor
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:40:00 -
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Sure I would! Seems that the forums are camped too.
Hope you brought enough cheesy doodles and vaseline.
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Benefactor
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:41:00 -
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Criticism and rebuttal is cool, but I'm amazed how quickly forum campers jumped on this one.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Benefactor Sure I would! Seems that the forums are camped too.
Hope you brought enough cheesy doodles and vaseline.
I have a full stock.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Benefactor Criticism and rebuttal is cool, but I'm amazed how quickly forum campers jumped on this one.
Well, we like new posts. --- The Eve Wiki Project |
Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Benefactor Edited by: Benefactor on 25/05/2006 20:36:39 Ooookay. Let's hear a response, refuting mine or not, that doesn't sound like it came straight out of WoW's Barrens.
Oh, I call your "childish" card, and raise you two "learn to plays" and "if you don't like it get a Raven."
Ok, I am a Raven. Let's see where this goes.
Your original post raised a number of issues and also used a number of totally unjustified stereotypes to try and put the point across. I think you've got the point now so I'll deal with the issue of gate camping by a lone person in a raven.
There are many ways to avoid a situation like this - instas being the prime example as well as an alt with a shuttle to scout. Concerted efforts can be made to counter a single or small ship gate camp (covert ops are great).
If you want CONCORD to provide an adequate response then the gate guns would need to have their range increased. This would then be a topic for the features and ideas forum. Either way, yes it is one way of doing it.
What you have to remember is that 0.4 and lower is dangerous. ______________________ 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron Kieron... I have some bad news... |
ZzeusS
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:46:00 -
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Will doritos and KY count as substitutions?
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Benefactor
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:47:00 -
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What? No flame? You're actually coherent and funny? I call foul!
Quick! Pull the "childish" card! Or... raise the ante and pull the "mention wife and kids" card!
Hurry!
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:52:00 -
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I rate this thread: WORST EV4R
Sorry you got ganked, too bad you didn't take any of the 239084 measures available to prevent yourself from getting ganked.
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Fred DeLuca
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:52:00 -
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With this attitude you will fail in EVE very quickly.
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:55:00 -
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High Security = Full security. This mens turrets with the gates, and guards protecting the local denizens from harms way. However, as in rea life, the police often comes to late to stop the crime, but the punishment will be dealt out to the perpetrator. Harshly.
Low security = Means low security. Not high security or no security. It means a little security. and that means in this case: turrets with the gate, to protect travelers where they are most vulnerable. However due to sniping they can keep on distance and shoot at you, without the turrets being able to hit them back. But at least you are with the gate, and can as usual get away!
Deep Space = No security. This is 0.0 space. No turrets. no guards. and total anarchy. The only guard you will see will be the "owners" of the deep space. This can be everything from the local scum aka pirates. or an alliance. both can attack you if they want to, either out of greed or because they view you as a treat or are in an area the owner (the alliance) view as restricted.
This IS the game. if you change the rules of it, you have changed the game. And we dont want that.
The game can be harsh. Very harsh. And you need friends to succeed in this game. Skills help, but wont make you to succeed.
So to change the game as you propose would ruin it. I know you mean it well (i think) but you are asking about quite a lot. to make the game way easier. and the consequences would be severe for many players.
No, I say leave the game as it is. Stay away from lowsec/deep space if you cant handle it. After all, its quite a lot of things to do in high sec too!!!!!!!
PS. your topic and the way you write it, will without doubt lead to flaming. Im sorry, but it will. Because what you ask for is a different game. Not EVE.
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Brisi
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Benefactor Criticism and rebuttal is cool, but I'm amazed how quickly forum campers jumped on this one.
Maybe it's because we're tired of seeing people whining here everyday about how unbalanced 'low security' space, because you can be killed there.
LOW SECURITY means what? I thought so. If you can't handle being killed there, simply don't go there. If you got killed the first time you went there, maybe you should had listened to the small:
"Are you sure you want to proceed into this 0.4 system? It is unsafe and you can be destroyed/killed there" Message.
PS. If you feel so whole-heartedly about this 'exploitation' or whatever you're trying to call it in fancy words, why didn't you post with your main character?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.25 20:57:00 -
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those "worthless" sentry guns fry anything smaller than a battleship in a couple of seconds. low-sec didn't use to have any form of protection, so consider yourself there's some now.
Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:02:00 -
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Lets throw something into the mix, solo BS snipers outside of range of sentries can close down empire gates.
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Benefactor
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:04:00 -
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I've seen a wierd exploit lately, where the guns don't fire at all, even while the Raven (yes, invariably a Raven) sits practically on the gate.
Camp the forum all you like, but it's a problem.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Benefactor I've seen a wierd exploit lately, where the guns don't fire at all, even while the Raven (yes, invariably a Raven) sits practically on the gate.
Camp the forum all you like, but it's a problem.
so petition it
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: ToxicFire Lets throw something into the mix, solo BS snipers outside of range of sentries can close down empire gates.
and the only (well, one of the main) reason you see bs snipers on gates is because the sentry guns removed the ability to ransom at gates without extreme planning before hand.
Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
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FooB2
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:09:00 -
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why do i get the feeling a fellow called "Sad Doom" is responsible for your demise?
which, for the record, i find hilarious anyway. regardless of who did the deed. its like hatemail x10.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:10:00 -
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They do serve a big purpose, whether you can see it or not. They stop anything less tanky than a BC shooting at a gate at all, they stop any form of fast tacklers and they put the odds FIRMLY in favour of the defender. Having those guns shooting at you is not nice, and I don't know of any battleship setups that can tank them indefinetely solo while still being able to kill anything coming through. This means either snipers (who cannot scramble) are used, or you can kill a BS gatecamper in a cruiser or BC with ease.
Before the EW nerf, a badger famously killed a gatecamper thanks to the sentries. Although a single dropped cycle would be a dead badger now, something which can scramble and survive a while (punisher would probably work) could pop your ebil gatecamper if he wanted to.
Being judgemental and deciding that those camping gates are unemployed 16year olds just makes you sound like someone who really needs to insult his opposition to make his arguments plausible. You're not one of those, are you?
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Prestis No ship in the game can permantently tank sentries alone and all ships give up loads of DPS to do it for any length of time.
Sentry guns are fine, if they were any stronger low-sec would be identical to high-sec as long as you kept out the belts.
yes some can :)))
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Benefactor
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:12:00 -
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Scroll up. And tell me how many times your own advice has been taken by the forum campers, friend. :)
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Prestis No ship in the game can permantently tank sentries alone and all ships give up loads of DPS to do it for any length of time.
Sentry guns are fine, if they were any stronger low-sec would be identical to high-sec as long as you kept out the belts.
yes some can :)))
faction fitted sleipnir is discounted
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Benefactor Scroll up. And tell me how many times your own advice has been taken by the forum campers, friend. :)
I'm saying this in the vain hope of trying to keep this thread from being a flame fest - please quote or at the very least name the person you're referring to. ______________________ 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron Kieron... I have some bad news... |
HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:20:00 -
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Thinking about this: i have one idea which might help enlighten the OP.
Get a battleship (raven if you can fly it, since thats what you are complaining about, anything else if you can't), go find a fairly busy 0.4 gate, and CAMP for an hour. Go out there and tank those sentries, killing everyone who passes.
Come back with an hour of fraps of you doing just this, and I may respect your opinion more.
Please note, this is not a guarantee. I may still consider you an idiot if you do this.
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