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Ilovetomine
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:17:00 -
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TL;DR- Rage about inability to safely-ish fly a hulk in empire, and does anyone have a hulk fit that outyields a mackinaw, but can survive a gank.
A bit of carebear in me today came out, and I honestly think It is justified. I was mulling around the idea of flying a mackinaw, when I was just struck by a pang of annoyance, and regret.
Why should I be forced into a fleet scenario with a Hulk, when that's what I want to fly.
I get what retort will be coming, Why cant I fly X because Y, even though its actually meant for Z.
But seriously though. Unless I have a fleet of friends, live in nullsec, or have an alt repping me(I thought about sacrificing a high slot or 2 for remote shield transfers on my orca), I can't actually fly my Hulk without being gangled.
I really just don't want to be that mindless Mackinaw Borg, just like everyone else. But If I want to fly my hulk (literally paper thin at 12.000-ish EHP), I have to have friends.
I lieu of this, does anyone have a hulk fit, that out yields that of a mackinaw, that can live through a catalyst gank? |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
282
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:20:00 -
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Permit tank it. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
781
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:22:00 -
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You should be perfectly safe mining Veldspar in a rookie system, provided any asteroids respawn. Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1798
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:26:00 -
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Don't be Mackinaw Borg, fly procurer or skiff. Sweet 70k and 100k ehp respectively, nothing to sneeze at. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Ilovetomine
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:29:00 -
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I see what you mean miss bastanoid, but yield is what I want. And you can't do it in a hulk, unless you risk exploding. Which they always do.
And I refuse to bend to a pirate and buy a permit.
If you meant however, to perma tank it, That is how it is fit, but I have not tested its tank vs a catalyst. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1798
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:36:00 -
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Hulk will pop if not to one than to 2 or 3 cats and cats more often than not fly in packs so choice is yours, yield or survival - and in my opinion there is only one correct answer. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Aiwha
Trans Secunda Nulli Secunda
735
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:43:00 -
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Yeah, that's your choice. Mine in a hulk, or get a safe barge.
Or daytrip into WH's to mine. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Ilovetomine
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:45:00 -
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exactly my understanding Schmata. That's what I am saying. There is no survivability whatsoever on the hulk, unless its vs null rats.
Problem stated being that only mackinaws mine in empire, and its yield will soon me trumped by hulk even more than what it is. But at the cost that the Hulk will still have no tank.
So you cannot fly hulks in empire without fleet support/lots of alts.
So even though mack will be king of survival, whats the point of owning a hulk and trying to mine in it, if you are forced to mine in a mack.
With the mack yield nerf, you might as well do mission.
Personally I find mining to be relaxing. I watch movies, read, etc. But still don't ever leave my desktop. I was far too used to baby sitting myself in null systems back in the north.
I can honestly see where this debate could go in endless circles. I am just curious as to why CCP keeps isolating the hulk in respect to empire mining.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2635
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:46:00 -
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Versus a single catalyst?
[Hulk, Here Toy Go] Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Internal Force Field Array I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
37/38k EHP vs. CNAM/Void respectively. A single catalyst is unlikely to gank you before CONCORD comes. It yields 1209 at all Vs, which is only slightly less than a similarly fit Mack with two MLUs.
ETA: This is at current specs. I have not taken into account the coming changes to mining/mining ships, because I don't care squat about them; YMMV. But you can tank just about any mining vessel to survive a single Catalyst. I don't know anyone serious about ganking that's going to come for you in just one, however. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Dave Stark
5397
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:47:00 -
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Ilovetomine wrote:Why should I be forced into a fleet scenario with a Hulk, when that's what I want to fly. because you want to fly a ship designed to be used in a fleet.
it's like me asking why i have to unlock my door with a key, rather than a rasher of bacon. |
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15402
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:48:00 -
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Ilovetomine wrote:TL;DR- Rage about inability to safely-ish fly a hulk in empire, and does anyone have a hulk fit that outyields a mackinaw, but can survive a gank.
A bit of carebear in me today came out, and I honestly think It is justified. I was mulling around the idea of flying a mackinaw, when I was just struck by a pang of annoyance, and regret.
Why should I be forced into a fleet scenario with a Hulk, when that's what I want to fly.
I get what retort will be coming, Why cant I fly X because Y, even though its actually meant for Z.
But seriously though. Unless I have a fleet of friends, live in nullsec, or have an alt repping me(I thought about sacrificing a high slot or 2 for remote shield transfers on my orca), I can't actually fly my Hulk without being gangled.
I really just don't want to be that mindless Mackinaw Borg, just like everyone else. But If I want to fly my hulk (literally paper thin at 12.000-ish EHP), I have to have friends.
I lieu of this, does anyone have a hulk fit, that out yields that of a mackinaw, that can live through a catalyst gank?
You're not "forced" into a fleet scenario, any more than you're "forced" to use a dominix as a drone boat. It's just that fleet operations are what the Hulk is optimised for. If you insist on using your Domi as a gun platform, you're free to do so; it just won't be as effective as a Megathron at it. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2635
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:49:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
it's like me asking why i have to unlock my door with a key, rather than a rasher of bacon.
Because a door isn't good enough to receive bacon. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
503
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:53:00 -
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Fly what you want, where you want and when you want.
Just don't expect sympathy when bad choices and stubbornness kill you.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Ilovetomine
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:55:00 -
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On a side note, I thought about fitting my orca with 2x Large remote shield reppers. That + perma repped hulk. What are your thoughts? |
Dave Stark
5399
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:56:00 -
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Ilovetomine wrote:On a side note, I thought about fitting my orca with 2x Large remote shield reppers. That + perma repped hulk. What are your thoughts? i'll just bring 2 catalysts instead of 1. |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
99
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:57:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Permit tank it.
this ^^ |
Ilovetomine
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:57:00 -
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Sigh. Not sure what the solution to flying my hulks in empire would be. Really seems like a hopeless cause. |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1777
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:57:00 -
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Ilovetomine wrote: But If I want to fly my hulk (literally paper thin at 12.000-ish EHP), I have to have friends.
Get a 2nd account, train up a Logi... no friends required.
"HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
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Dave Stark
5399
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:58:00 -
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Ilovetomine wrote:Sigh. Not sure what the solution to flying my hulks in empire would be. Really seems like a hopeless cause. don't fly it where gankers frequent. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2635
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:02:00 -
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Ilovetomine wrote:Sigh. Not sure what the solution to flying my hulks in empire would be. Really seems like a hopeless cause.
3/10. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
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Osekkai
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:07:00 -
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I still mine in a hulk with one character with Orca support with another and I have yet to be targeted by anyone trying to destroy it. It comes down to the system you choose to mine in. I mine away from trading hubs, systems that have production slots in the stations and systems that have popular agents.
I'm not too bothered at this moment about losing my hulk, I've made ISK and bought a replacement that's gathering dust and my wallet is steadily going up so the risk at the moment does not outweigh the reward. Should I lose a hulk or two then I might rethink but until then... |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1777
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:10:00 -
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Osekkai wrote:
I'm not too bothered at this moment about losing my hulk, I've made ISK and bought a replacement that's gathering dust and my wallet is steadily going up so the risk at the moment does not outweigh the reward. Should I lose a hulk or two then I might rethink but until then...
Somewhere out there, a Locate agent just got a handfull of ISK handed to him...
"HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
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Jint Hikaru
Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry
1197
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:13:00 -
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Ilovetomine wrote:Sigh. Not sure what the solution to flying my hulks in empire would be. Really seems like a hopeless cause.
Seriously... you've been told many time already - The Hulk is not designed to be flown for solo mining.
Sell em and buy a stronger mining ship. Maybe there's one that's been designed to survive ganks.... who knows, maybe some helpful players have already named this helpful mining ship in this very thread????
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5319
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:16:00 -
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While I'd never fly a Hulk for solo mining, I'll give you a quick answer.
Hypothetically I can buffer tank it to live through a three Cat gank attempt if they know what they're doing and a four man gank if they don't. It'll require a 3% PG implant though if you have maxed skills.
So while it's not really worth the trouble, you might live long enough if you mine in some back water system to cover your costs.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
148
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:17:00 -
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You haven't replyed to my mail.
You're not a miner.
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Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
148
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:35:00 -
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You want 3 things:
- Fly a Hulk - Fit for yield - Be in H-sec
You can do 2 of these at the same time. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2636
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:37:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:You want 3 things:
- Fly a Hulk - Fit for yield - Be in H-sec
You can do 2 of these at the same time.
OP wants one thing:
To troll. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1799
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:39:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote: OP wants one thing:
To troll.
So, let's off the rails: What did you do to Petrus that he left Rifterlings? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Dreadchain
Lavateinn
91
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Posted - 2014.05.09 09:00:00 -
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1. Pay attention to grid, local and d-scan, bounce if cats or scouts get near
2. Buy a mining permit
3. Fly a damn skiff, you can get close to as much yield as a hulk, with 6 times the tank. Hulk is a fleet ship, not something to be used solo.
4. Buy a mining permit
5. Become friends with gankers, provide them with intel, yadda yadda yadda, they're not gonna kill one of the good miners. www.minerbumping.com |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2637
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Posted - 2014.05.09 09:02:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Domanique Altares wrote: OP wants one thing:
To troll.
So, let's off the rails: What did you do to Petrus that he left Rifterlings?
I told him to get out, like always.
This time he listened. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
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