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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
420
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:49:00 -
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CCP can change things as needed not giving "compensation" for it. When they swtiched data cores to be FW favored core farmers in empire got nothing for example. For some like me, work was put into this. Getting alts ground up to level 4 agents was a bit of time. KNow what I said when this happened....oh well, lost a decent easy isk source. Not the first CCP took away, not the last either.
Standings still have use. Some may not like the remaining uses but thats on them really. |
CRAZYCAJUN
Wagon Masters
3
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Posted - 2014.05.12 03:35:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:CCP can change things as needed not giving "compensation" for it. When they swtiched data cores to be FW favored core farmers in empire got nothing for example. For some like me, work was put into this. Getting alts ground up to level 4 agents was a bit of time. KNow what I said when this happened....oh well, lost a decent easy isk source. Not the first CCP took away, not the last either.
Standings still have use. Some may not like the remaining uses but thats on them really.
I lost a huge amount of income through that patch as well, I had taken a break from eve at the time so I wasn't around to know it was happening. Doesn't make it right and definitely should have been looked at to make it right for those who worked their asses off for it. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3226
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Posted - 2014.05.12 04:34:00 -
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CRAZYCAJUN wrote:Doesn't make it right and definitely should have been looked at to make it right for those who worked their asses off for it. They are making it right, that's why you're suffering. It's so others get a fair chance and you don't deserve any compensation for that. You ran missions and you were rewarded for running those missions. No compensation needed. Oh god. |
Jint Hikaru
Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry
1198
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Posted - 2014.05.12 08:11:00 -
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CRAZYCAJUN wrote: My question is how are you guys planning on compensating people for all the work they did to gain serious faction standing being completely wasted?
By your own post you've been making 1Bil a month based on those standings. Why should CCP give you any more?
Things change, what once was a viable business, becomes worthless due to changes in technology, fashion, peoples habits...
The sign of a good businessman is that he adapts to meet these changes.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Mag's
the united
17219
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Posted - 2014.05.12 08:18:00 -
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CRAZYCAJUN wrote:I've literally spent years getting my standing where it is now, and have been using them to make a pretty good living in eve over the past few months.
After the summer patch my business will literally be wiped out due to standings not being required for pos anchoring.
My question is how are you guys planning on compensating people for all the work they did to gain serious faction standing being completely wasted?
I'm losing a 1bil per month income after the patch.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. This game used to be about working hard for what you have and its becoming a carebear community. And you had the advantage that those of us who didn't do that for the past few months.
I on the other hand, purchased a corp with high standing already years ago. Was able to gain lots of jump clones with that char and was able to put up a POS.
In both cases we had use of the system and benefited from it. So no, you shouldn't get ANY compensation.
Also, great change is great. But you will still need those high standings for clones, so stop moaning.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
504
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Posted - 2014.05.12 08:19:00 -
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OP, your not the first nor are you going to be the last to have a revenue stream closed by changes to this game.
Its happened to me more than once and while I can understand its frustrating it does teach you to diversify and not keep all your eggs in one basket.
Roll with the punch and move on. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1256
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Posted - 2014.05.12 16:32:00 -
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Samillian wrote:OP, your not the first nor are you going to be the last to have a revenue stream closed by changes to this game.
Its happened to me more than once and while I can understand its frustrating it does teach you to diversify and not keep all your eggs in one basket.
Roll with the punch and move on. Or be like a normal person and go on into industry, all it needs is roughly 100bil startup and you can beon your way to mogulhood in as little as 15-16 months, provided you find a nice quiet spot in need of a market. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2203
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Posted - 2014.05.12 16:42:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Also, great change is great. But you will still need those high standings for clones, so stop moaning.
Wait, they're moving clones to faction standing instead of station-owning corp standing?
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
505
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Posted - 2014.05.12 16:52:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Samillian wrote:OP, your not the first nor are you going to be the last to have a revenue stream closed by changes to this game.
Its happened to me more than once and while I can understand its frustrating it does teach you to diversify and not keep all your eggs in one basket.
Roll with the punch and move on. Or be like a normal person and go on into industry, all it needs is roughly 100bil startup and you can beon your way to mogulhood in as little as 15-16 months, provided you find a nice quiet spot in need of a market.
You obviously went into building supercaps or bought yourself a couple of T2 BPOs then. Startup is considerably cheaper for T2 manufacturing well and within the OP's price range if as he stated he was making a billion a month. Although I will admit that the margins will be somewhat reduced after the patch but still look worthwhile on a wide range of products. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2600
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:16:00 -
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CRAZYCAJUN wrote: My question is how are you guys planning on compensating people for all the work they did to gain serious faction standing being completely wasted?
Maybe standings will count for something else in the future. Maybe not. But you're certainly not owed anything. Requiring corp standings for pos anchoring was broken in many ways. Decoupling them is an acceptable solution. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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suid0
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
129
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:42:00 -
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CRAZYCAJUN wrote:I've literally spent years getting my standing where it is now, and have been using them to make a pretty good living in eve over the past few months.
literally years??? sounds like you did it wrong.
I rolled a new char and spent around 500m plus maybe 6 hours on and off to gain anchoring standings when I needed them
the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones -á--áCommander Ted |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1073
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:02:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:CRAZYCAJUN wrote: At the moment they're just going to call "free game" on pos's and any brand new capsuleer can just jump right in
That's the point of it, yeah. That way that particular content, which is soon to have greater importance, isn't gated behind one of the worst mechanics in the entire game.
If the mission system wasn't as horrendous as it is, it could be fixed instead of bypassed but it's not so CCP made the right choice. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1487
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:03:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:a flat fee to set up a POS would be nice, a billion sounds reasonable and creates a degree of commitment to the endeavor, instead of a corp dropping a pos with a few utility structures and then packing the whole thing up before a wardec goes into effect.
The commitment is buying or building the thing and then fuelling it and protecting it from attack. At the moment standings only needed grinding once, then u can do all the unpacking and repacking u seem to hate anyways. It was a bad mechanic and thats why it got removed. trying to somehow tie it into standings again would just make it a bad mechanic again.
Rhadnan Yvormes wrote: Yeah, he has already managed to make some isk by leveraging the facilities afforded him by his hard work, but that doesn't make it acceptable to obliterate the value of that work. And what about those of us who have invested the time and effort to obtain this privilege but have just recently reached that point, and have yet to benefit from the work we put in? What about the corps that have invested the effort to be able to deploy a POS in hisec because they don't have the resources or combat capability to defend one in LS/NS?
Speculation can go either way. thats nothing new. those putting in the effort to make money should understand the mechanic can change at anytime in anyway. if they didnt understand that, that is their own foolishness, but now they know right?
Rhadnan Yvormes wrote: It's one thing for a ship one spent a lot of time training for to be made more or less powerful. It's another thing entirely for everything one spent years building to be put at tremendous risk, especially when the decisions regarding the risk:reward of those efforts were made on the basis of such a long-standing game mechanic.
Some ppl trained specifically for heavy missile tengus and then cried when HML's got nerfed. They speculated like the players u describe, they lost like the players u describe.
ultimately standings are still useful. Locator agents and access to missions. Sell ur services in those areas if u must. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
CRAZYCAJUN
Wagon Masters
3
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Posted - 2014.05.17 02:03:00 -
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still looking for someone from ccp to weigh in on this... |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
483
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Posted - 2014.05.17 02:58:00 -
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A player who ground standings was compensated in isk and lp for the missions. They then got the benefits of higher standings from that point on. They will continue to benefit from lower tax etc even after the change. No other compensation is required in my opinion (from someone who ground standings for refining) |
Rapscallion Jones
Omnibus Solutions
10
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Posted - 2014.05.17 03:02:00 -
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Darin Vanar wrote:They are only removing the standings anyway, because they expect POS usage to go down, and they don't want to completely destroy the ice market. Removal of standings, plus the increased consumption of Isotope fuel, is just their insurance against the removal of slots.
I still say this is their plan, nerf POSes into non-existance then they don't have to fix them, they just have to Shift-Delete the bad code. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
254
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Posted - 2014.05.17 03:19:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:They should aim for a "Loyalty Expansion" where all LP stores get overhauled and effects for npc corporation and faction standings (both positive and negative) are included. Enemy of the state? Can't dock here. Repairs? Only for people we like. Etc.
This should have been the design from the start LP store weapon cost rebalance |
CRAZYCAJUN
Subjugation Through Dissemination
5
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Posted - 2014.05.19 23:42:00 -
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Rapscallion Jones wrote:Darin Vanar wrote:They are only removing the standings anyway, because they expect POS usage to go down, and they don't want to completely destroy the ice market. Removal of standings, plus the increased consumption of Isotope fuel, is just their insurance against the removal of slots. I still say this is their plan, nerf POSes into non-existance then they don't have to fix them, they just have to Shift-Delete the bad code.
if anything theyre making us move out of the station TO pos's....not the other way around. How are they nerfing pos's in any way? |
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