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Martin Gore
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Posted - 2006.05.27 09:34:00 -
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Edited by: Martin Gore on 27/05/2006 09:41:07 fgdfhjsaf graade minsgrade DFSDASD DFTYUKL DSDFEDC SASDQWF FSADFHE GSAZAVE Gstomp5 Gstomp6 GStomp7 GStomp8
All the real Ice miners In Jita know this lot, there are about 10 cans all around them saying things like "Go Away Macro Farmers", We bump themn constantly, we steal their ore constantly, we try to convo, we watch, we do all the usuall things.
Nothing no respoce at all, just robotic movemts all huddled together mining ice for 23 hrs a day. Please new people dont start the old "how do you know its a macro/farmer"
I 've been playing for 3 years and have reported hundreds of them. You know what NOTHING gets done!!!
These guys are just plain saying HA CCP won't do anything, all I'll get is a responce saying"we will look into it". It doesn't take a genius to work out that no one has that many accounts just to mine ice all day.
I've petitioned them, come on ccp an open challenge, lets see if you really do care about them. If this thread gets locked then we'll know their true outlook on macro/farmers.
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Yual
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Posted - 2006.05.27 09:37:00 -
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IBTL
And CCP bans macro farmers, they dont ban multiple account users, and ice mining with its long cycle times is emminently suited for this pursuit.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.05.27 09:37:00 -
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i thought everyone knew by now that CCP doesnt care about macrominers. why do you think there are so many still here? why do you think that the same ones are still here after so long time? because CCP doesnt care.
Quote:
[05:17:46] Obiareus > freindlies dock or safespot [05:17:51] Obiareus > YOU CANNOT WIN
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.27 09:47:00 -
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Maybe they're no macro miners at all and ccp can't do a thing about it? --*=*=*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
Martin Gore
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Posted - 2006.05.27 09:51:00 -
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Tachy please dude come on, 7-10 accounts all huddled together, 23hrs a day 7 days a week for 7 months....hmmm what do you think?????
Even the most clinically ill obsessive compulsive would have to sleep for at least 4 hrs a day before he went mad from having to min ice, and lets be clear on this you might as well watch paint dry.
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Trigo
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Posted - 2006.05.27 09:57:00 -
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i've seen people like that mining ore but them where not marcominers just didn't understand english. ------------------------------------ Booga
No eve access tuesday 4pm to friday 9pm GMT |
Martin Gore
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Posted - 2006.05.27 09:59:00 -
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So these people mined all day all week for really crappy ore with like 7 accounts, and you dont think they are farmers lol
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JenKrist
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Posted - 2006.05.27 10:05:00 -
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ccp would loose alot of money not only employing someone to find them, then ban them, but from their subscription.
Think of how the economy would be affected should they go? Its like people that say all immigrants should go from england! crazy talk!
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.05.27 10:06:00 -
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- We know, they know, CCP knows - CCP doesnt care - Just steal their ore - Pop their ships - Loot their mods - Enjoy the cash
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Trigo
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Posted - 2006.05.27 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Gore So these people mined all day all week for really crappy ore with like 7 accounts, and you dont think they are farmers lol
it was 4 account not sure if it was 7 days as my sig says i'm can't get in eve for 3 days a week and my peteiton came back saying they don't understand english thats y they never replyed to in local. ------------------------------------ Booga
No eve access tuesday 4pm to friday 9pm GMT |
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.27 10:15:00 -
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There's no rule against farming.
Proving that someone's sharing accounts is not easy.
Proving they're using macros is not easy.
'Hey, you are a **** because you're from Germany. All Germans are ****s.' Sounds stupid? Yes. It is stupid. It is wrong in most cases too.
If you can prove they're selling Isk for cash, sharing accounts or using macros, send in petitions. (And please shut up if you can't. There's nothing we can do about it here on the forum.) --*=*=*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
Rod Steel
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Posted - 2006.05.27 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Gore Edited by: Martin Gore on 27/05/2006 09:41:07 fgdfhjsaf graade minsgrade DFSDASD DFTYUKL DSDFEDC SASDQWF FSADFHE GSAZAVE Gstomp5 Gstomp6 GStomp7 GStomp8
All the real Ice miners In Jita know this lot, there are about 10 cans all around them saying things like "Go Away Macro Farmers", We bump themn constantly, we steal their ore constantly, we try to convo, we watch, we do all the usuall things.
Nothing no respoce at all, just robotic movemts all huddled together mining ice for 23 hrs a day. Please new people dont start the old "how do you know its a macro/farmer"
I 've been playing for 3 years and have reported hundreds of them. You know what NOTHING gets done!!!
These guys are just plain saying HA CCP won't do anything, all I'll get is a responce saying"we will look into it". It doesn't take a genius to work out that no one has that many accounts just to mine ice all day.
I've petitioned them, come on ccp an open challenge, lets see if you really do care about them. If this thread gets locked then we'll know their true outlook on macro/farmers.
Why is this such a big hair up your *ss?? What difference does it make to you if they're there or not? This is a game mate, let it go
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.05.27 10:28:00 -
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free ore you say?
oooooh
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.05.27 10:29:00 -
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I have a simple solution to macro mining:
Remove all asteroids from secure space.
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Kalaan Oratay
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Posted - 2006.05.27 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron I have a simple solution to macro mining:
Remove all asteroids from secure space.
Even better would be to kick them out of the safe haven that is the newbie corps.
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Lil Belle
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lil Belle on 27/05/2006 11:03:43 Edited by: Lil Belle on 27/05/2006 11:03:28
Originally by: Tachy There's no rule against farming.
Proving that someone's sharing accounts is not easy.
Proving they're using macros is not easy.
'Hey, you are a **** because you're from Germany. All Germans are ****s.' Sounds stupid? Yes. It is stupid. It is wrong in most cases too.
If you can prove they're selling Isk for cash, sharing accounts or using macros, send in petitions. (And please shut up if you can't. There's nothing we can do about it here on the forum.)
Its not hard to prove account sharing or macroing is happening when they are doing it 23 hours a day, 7 days a week, its not humanly possible without breaking the rules.
Everyone knows they are farming for ebay, and they do it because ccp wont ban them, ccp wants every penny, every account they can get, thats why theres so many new players (new accounts anyway) in EVE recently, ccp simply will not ban them because ccp loses money, that and the new timecode scam which although its giving them a few more suscriptions, its hurting EVE and its players with all the people buying their way through EVE. CCP have proved they will allow anything to go on when it involves more income for them, so its not so far fetched to believe that they dont ban the macrominers/account sharers.
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Kyreema
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Malken i thought everyone knew by now that CCP doesnt care about macrominers. why do you think there are so many still here? why do you think that the same ones are still here after so long time? because CCP doesnt care.
This is the truth.
Stop wasting your time petitioning macroers. CCP will NOT do anything about them despite what they say.
I petitioned 13 macrominers several times EIGHT MONTHS AGO and they are STILL in-game raking in ice 23 hours a day (and most likely selling the proceeds on ebay).
That is why I gave up trying to make a living from ice-mining... its pointless. The macroers own that particualr part of the game now. But as long as they pay their $$$$ subs to CCP each month, CCP will turn a blind eye.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:07:00 -
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You know whats funny about this thread.....
Umm, head to the seller forum.... and look at all the people in there selling there earned isk to isk buyers..
Whats the difference huh...... so a guy runs missions... mines roids... whatever... to sell his isk to a isk buyer.
Whats been said many many times in these threads..... they arn't actualy using a macro.... just farming isk to sell.
On that premise... that makes abosolute thousands of people just as guilty:/ ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Lil Belle
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Galk You know whats funny about this thread.....
Umm, head to the seller forum.... and look at all the people in there selling there earned isk to isk buyers..
Whats the difference huh...... so a guy runs missions... mines roids... whatever... to sell his isk to a isk buyer.
Whats been said many many times in these threads..... they arn't actualy using a macro.... just farming isk to sell.
On that premise... that makes abosolute thousands of people just as guilty:/
Yeah, read up to what i said, i assume you mean people buying timecards for money to sell for isk. Yes CCP allow it because it gets them a few extra subs, they dont care that they are allowing people to buy isk with real money as long as they profit from it, eventually it will probably hurt their game, maybe even be the downfall, but for now all they care about is the money.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:19:00 -
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the joys of watching this never ending and ignored problem guys what we need is more people in jita to push the node to its limits and then crash the macroers over and over. Tho im not saying do it the more ppl in jita at peak times the better i say.
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Phrixus Zephyr
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:25:00 -
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Smartbomb apoc. Thxggnore
Originally by: Jude Kopenhagen I heard a little bird tell me that the new Battle Ship will be called "The sky is falling, I'm gonna have to learn more skills, oh woe are us!" |
Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:38:00 -
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geddon + smartbombs = fun :D then steal the ice + mods in a hauler in and alt and your sorted.
Gothikia is teh sexy!! |
Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sensor Error on 27/05/2006 11:45:22 OK, I'm SICK of seeing these threads in the forum.
If you don't like it, leave the game, we won't miss you.
and OHNOS! the isk GTC sellers are ruining eve and it's economy! THE SKY IS FALLING!
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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Buraken v2
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:41:00 -
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Maybe they are not macro maybe they are multiple people taking turns mining?
Originally by: Mang0o 200m sexy ill bid on yours becouse you are so cute
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Buraken v2 Maybe they are not macro maybe they are multiple people taking turns mining?
Account sharing is against the EULA and/or the TOS. But it has to be proven for a ban.
Sitting in a belt afk 23/7 is not against the rules and Ice doesn't pop afaik. --*=*=*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
Kyreema
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Buraken v2 Maybe they are not macro maybe they are multiple people taking turns mining?
Maybe the tooth fairy and santa really do exist!
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Kot'Na'Arr
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:56:00 -
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Is there a cheap way to kill those suckers?
Don't know, maybe a suicide run with a frigate and smart bomb??
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:59:00 -
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Ban them all, I say !
Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2006.05.27 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming - We know, they know, CCP knows - CCP doesnt care - Just steal their ore - Pop their ships - Loot their mods - Enjoy the cash
Good points - We know there are macros, and we know they are not going anywhere. So, use them to your advantage, farm the macro miners. The game allows you to steal cans, so steal cans. If the Macros don't fight back, it is their own problem. If they do fight back, well then make them go boom. Think of macros as NPCs and life is less frustrating.
-AS
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Martin Gore
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Posted - 2006.05.27 12:49:00 -
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They must have a macro that takes from the can to the indy at inhumanly fast rates as the ice only appears for a milliseconds, before the hauler grabs it.
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Callie Nefarious
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Posted - 2006.05.27 12:59:00 -
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3 years and you still persist. Why dont you sopend a lill mroe time playing and move along
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.27 13:16:00 -
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Why do you care so much?
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Martin Gore
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Posted - 2006.05.27 13:24:00 -
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I persist because I just really dont believe that ccp does anything about it. They dont post names or proof for perma bans. I don't see why not. It does hurt the game, and I just find it annyoing that they ask you to petition yet nothing gets done.
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.05.27 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Gore I persist because I just really dont believe that ccp does anything about it. They dont post names or proof for perma bans. I don't see why not. It does hurt the game, and I just find it annyoing that they ask you to petition yet nothing gets done.
Well the rules do state that all communication between ISD/CCP and the players is confidential and that they don't discuss moderation/warning/bans. You don't want them to go breaking their own rules do you? ______________________ 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron Kieron... I have some bad news... |
phillip duncan
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Posted - 2006.05.27 13:38:00 -
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tag team the hauler ? when Ice is getting near due play pin ball with the hauler with a microwarp drive equiped ship, then split the profits.
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Moraka Kens
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Posted - 2006.05.27 13:43:00 -
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I agree I am sick of see'ing it also, CCP owns the game and can make pretty much anything the like illegal in game, basicly if they felt it was worth while putting the resources into getting rid of any group of players. They could. Evidently they do not in this case and annoying as it is, can only assume they know what they are doing.
I take turns at killing isk farmers every now and then in hi sec using every trick I can think of. What is interesting is they are now starting to defend their barges with battleship pilots. Interesting & fun . Mostly tanked scorps from what I've seen. I also recently saw 2 seperate isk farming groups fighting each other and popping their cans. The BS pilots are only a few month old so looks like a new thing they have been getting ready since the can flagging patch.
Chang Cheng [CHANG] is a fairly large chinese corp. I've seen ex-members of this corp farming roids and flying BS to protect the barges recently. While current members of CHANG corp are at the belt too, chatting to the farmers. Despite the CEO of CHANG's denial of any isk farming, I certainly doubt his word. Merely trying to hide it in my opinion. Too many have joined Eve, joined CHANG while training, then left to noob a corp to farm.
Some of my thoughts on it anyways.
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fuze
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Posted - 2006.05.28 00:56:00 -
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Stealing names from RL famous people is just as lame. You'd better start to train your Imagination skill. |
var'ulfur
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Posted - 2006.05.28 03:21:00 -
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me i got tierd of petitions, i just got very good at taking ore:). sit thier with my raven and take from thier cans drop it in mine and my corp mate haules it away. if they attack i just lay waste to them lol i have more skill point than thier whole farming op so the carnage is sweet;. they see me now and run so lets just do it ourselves.
talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
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Remedial
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Posted - 2006.05.28 03:46:00 -
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Train your navigation skills to the max.
Install velocity implants.
Get a Typhoon.
Load it with named overdrives and a faction MWD.
Get drunk.
Crash it into a macrominer at 4 km/s and send him flying away from the ice field over and over and over.
Post chatlogs.
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.05.28 04:10:00 -
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Yes, someone who doesn't understand English would start 7 or so accounts with such ridiculous names and enjoy the game mining ice 23/7 C'mmon. It's clear that those are either macroers or farmers and deserve to be banned. In the long run those things are killing the economy and the game, but from what it looks CCP aren't that interested in the long-run. A few more bucks now will do it. Time codes for ISK is another problem too. That's exactly the same as e-baying i.e. an opening for those who wish to be very uber very fast. How can an honestly playing guy compete with them? If you play by the rules, you lose something - you'll have to work to get it back. The time codes seller doesn't. He only spends his mom's cash and a few 100's millions of ISK are on his accnt again, rdy to be used to buy implants, ships, BPO's... whatever.
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voogru
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Posted - 2006.05.28 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Gore They must have a macro that takes from the can to the indy at inhumanly fast rates as the ice only appears for a milliseconds, before the hauler grabs it.
Those are the best, snatch it before they do, if you snatch it before they finish snatching it, and you transfer the ore to your own can in range of their hauler, they get flagged.
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.05.28 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy There's no rule against farming.
Proving that someone's sharing accounts is not easy.
Proving they're using macros is not easy.
'Hey, you are a **** because you're from Germany. All Germans are ****s.' Sounds stupid? Yes. It is stupid. It is wrong in most cases too.
If you can prove they're selling Isk for cash, sharing accounts or using macros, send in petitions. (And please shut up if you can't. There's nothing we can do about it here on the forum.)
./signed
Absolution - Curse - T2 Laser Crystals - T2 Drones and more -> check Bio
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.05.28 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Martin Gore They must have a macro that takes from the can to the indy at inhumanly fast rates as the ice only appears for a milliseconds, before the hauler grabs it.
Those are the best, snatch it before they do, if you snatch it before they finish snatching it, and you transfer the ore to your own can in range of their hauler, they get flagged.
good idea indeed :)
Absolution - Curse - T2 Laser Crystals - T2 Drones and more -> check Bio
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.05.28 04:26:00 -
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Free.
Ore.
There, i just contributed nothing to your thread |
tyrol
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Posted - 2006.05.28 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lil Belle
Originally by: Galk You know whats funny about this thread.....
Umm, head to the seller forum.... and look at all the people in there selling there earned isk to isk buyers..
Whats the difference huh...... so a guy runs missions... mines roids... whatever... to sell his isk to a isk buyer.
Whats been said many many times in these threads..... they arn't actualy using a macro.... just farming isk to sell.
On that premise... that makes abosolute thousands of people just as guilty:/
Yeah, read up to what i said, i assume you mean people buying timecards for money to sell for isk. Yes CCP allow it because it gets them a few extra subs, they dont care that they are allowing people to buy isk with real money as long as they profit from it, eventually it will probably hurt their game, maybe even be the downfall, but for now all they care about is the money.
i don.t agree with you here, in fact i believe its the opposite. For every person who buys a time code with isk, there is someone paying ccp for that code. Its allowing people who are short on rl funds to stay in the game. People who would have quit now use isk to pay for their game, meaning more time codes are bought from ccp. Also now all these people who used to buy from ebay can buy isk legally without the risk of a ban. If you ask me, this can only improve the game, not lead to its downfall and may even start putting isk farmers out of business
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Ender Wiggens
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Posted - 2006.05.28 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ender Wiggens on 28/05/2006 08:44:01 Heres an idea, if youve been playing for 3 years why are you hanging around jita ice mining anyway? Come out to 0.0 and then if you see them you can just shoot some torps at them. Im sick of people complaining about noobs and macroers in 1.0 space, its 1.0 space thats what it was set up for.
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Eepzy Nimbles
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Posted - 2006.05.28 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Moghydin It's clear that those are either macroers or farmers and deserve to be banned.
Let me say this one more time: farming is not illegal. You can farm all you want and it will not be against the EULA. Account sharing is illegal, but I don't think having someone else click a couple of buttons on your client is illegal. CCP cannot ban people unless they break the EULA, so farmers won't get banned so easily.
Quote: In the long run those things are killing the economy and the game.
Are they really? So far, the only problems I have seen these farmers cause is the endless threads on the forums complaining about how they are ruining the game.
Quote: Time codes for ISK is nother problem too. That's exactly the same as e-baying i.e. an opening for those who wish to be very uber very fast.
From what I gather, this wasn't what CCP intended it to be. They apparently failed to see this would happen. I agree that it needs changing, but I can also understand that CCP is reluctant to do so. This, however, is an entirely different topic.
Quote: How can an honestly playing guy compete with them?
ISK isn't everything in EVE nor is this game about who has the most isk.
Quote: If you play by the rules, you lose something - you'll have to work to get it back.
Unless you happen to have been randomly given decent tech 2 BPO.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.05.28 09:04:00 -
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dealing with ice miners is very easy
get a combat ship, like a caracal or something
go mwd to their cans, remove ice, place in your own can (jet 1 missile or something)
keep stealing ice until they either: a) try to take it back (bewm!) b) bring someone to kill you while you're flagged (bewm!) c) give up and dock (victory!)
make sure to bring a hauler to take all their precious ice when you're done too.
don't hate macroing ice miners theyre some of the most fun people to grief in the game dude.
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Czar Vilinous
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Posted - 2006.05.29 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Remedial Train your navigation skills to the max.
Install velocity implants.
Get a Typhoon.
Load it with named overdrives and a faction MWD.
Get drunk.
Crash it into a macrominer at 4 km/s and send him flying away from the ice field over and over and over.
Post chatlogs.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
done and done.
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Zaroastr
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Posted - 2006.05.29 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Remedial Train your navigation skills to the max.
Install velocity implants.
Get a Typhoon.
Load it with named overdrives and a faction MWD.
Get drunk.
Crash it into a macrominer at 4 km/s and send him flying away from the ice field over and over and over.
Post chatlogs.
That is a very good idea, but why a Typhoon?
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Rosedale
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Posted - 2006.05.29 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zaroastr That is a very good idea, but why a Typhoon?
Because its one of the fastest battleships in game. A Machariel would work better, but it isn't cheap.
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Tonkin
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Posted - 2006.05.29 20:16:00 -
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there paying customers so ccp is happy, there no really way to catch them out, unless they modify the client data in the eve folder, on which they dont. they dont cause harm becasue everyone knows things get cheaper and in low sec systems you wont find them there, miners can still make money on mide to low end minerals
will kill anythin for the right price |
Daimos Bellurdan
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Posted - 2006.05.29 20:46:00 -
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There is no problem with the macro miners. The problem lies with the isk buyers. If noone would buy isk with RL money there would be no macro miners.
So go and tell the people in YOUR corp to stop buying isk for money and stop crying about the macroers. They are not the root of the problem.
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Mirkel
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Posted - 2006.05.29 21:24:00 -
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maybe i should remind you about how they took the macro miners the last time?
watching and waiting, observing where the isk is going and 1 day you take the whole cartel in 1 big swing :P
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2006.05.29 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mirkel maybe i should remind you about how they took the macro miners the last time?
watching and waiting, observing where the isk is going and 1 day you take the whole cartel in 1 big swing :P
Exactly.. I cant imagine why ppl cant understand this.. if CCP just ban them in teh first place, without proper investigation, this macrosers will be back in a few day again...
If the investigation can go through properly, they may have a good chance to stop them once and for all... - POST WITH YOUR MAIN!
New sig coming soon...
This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the DICE Corporation. |
Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2006.05.29 23:20:00 -
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My question is will the chinese government lean on CCP once the chinese server is up to rat out all these sweatshops or are they a valuable asset to the chinese economy?
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Kindakrof
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Posted - 2006.05.29 23:36:00 -
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I didn't read any of the replies,
But try searching for a character named : Bargebot --- --- ---
my sig is pr0 Thanks for the lemon |
Y'laaris Brood
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Posted - 2006.05.30 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kot'Na'Arr Is there a cheap way to kill those suckers?
Don't know, maybe a suicide run with a frigate and smart bomb??
A few people in destroyers with smartbombs wouldn't cost much and oughta work...
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2006.05.30 05:44:00 -
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figure it out yourself...
Not sure how many marcominers there are or isk farmers... but for sheets-n-giggles lets say there are 500 accounts that utilize this lame tactic.
To ban them all, you are then depriving CCP of about $4500 a month...add to that the bans of anyone who has bought isk or ebayed anything ever... and thats maybe another $4500... add to that the loss if CCP banned sale of timecards, and now I'm sure you're getting a bigger picture.
Sad to say... if CCP was active on this and took the necessary procedures to stop and/or minimize this, they'd stand to lose a lot. Aside from petitioning every bargebot5 you see, there's no other way. It really eeeks me that WE have to monitor these macrolosers and do CCP's job. How many GMs are on are one time? Is it that hard to put a few at Jita? I dont think so, but they lead you to belive it is.
Of course, I know nothing.
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Morrigan Starlover
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Posted - 2006.05.30 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Gore Tachy please dude come on, 7-10 accounts all huddled together, 23hrs a day 7 days a week for 7 months....hmmm what do you think?????
Even the most clinically ill obsessive compulsive would have to sleep for at least 4 hrs a day before he went mad from having to min ice, and lets be clear on this you might as well watch paint dry.
The true problem lies in you coveting their isk. Solve that problem and you will no longer care.
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Paari Cuman
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Posted - 2006.05.30 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: Paari Cuman on 30/05/2006 06:37:09 Edited by: Paari Cuman on 30/05/2006 06:34:06 I have reported a few macrominers. CCP has sometimes actually removed them in front of me. (In some cases, come with a Jovian frigate and blow it up.) I was credited in helping remove 52 accounts once by tattle-telling on a group of 4 miners.
However, when they say they will "look into it" I understand that sometimes it is hard to prove and spending ANY time on it is just a waste to CCP. Imagine how much less time they would spend answering the hundreds and hundreds of petitions they already have?
I also DON'T believe CCP is leaving this matter just to gain income. If it became out of control, the games' economy would just collaspe and then they'd lose hundreds more in income and accounts due to ****ed off players.
Just enjoy the free ice. Pop the miners in low sec (some macros are really stupid.) Petiton the ones you can't.
I hate macros too but, its just a problem that won't go away.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.05.30 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: LUGAL MOP''N''GLO on 30/05/2006 06:43:32
Originally by: Jim Raynor dealing with ice miners is very easy
get a combat ship, like a caracal or something
go mwd to their cans, remove ice, place in your own can (jet 1 missile or something)
keep stealing ice until they either: a) try to take it back (bewm!) b) bring someone to kill you while you're flagged (bewm!) c) give up and dock (victory!)
make sure to bring a hauler to take all their precious ice when you're done too.
don't hate macroing ice miners theyre some of the most fun people to grief in the game dude.
Macro mining in general is a problem. Hopefully the whole discovery aspect of eve that was discussed in the last dev blog will help it out.
People say it doesn't hurt the economy are ignorant. If you have a crap load of anything being sold on the market prices will drop. POS owners most likely buy their ice from Macros, Manufacturers most likely buy their ore from Macros. Macros have made mining a poor mans job. The price of ice has been driven down quite a bit in the last year or so. Someone posted the exact #'s a while ago and it was pretty unbelievable.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.05.30 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 30/05/2006 06:43:00 Best I ever seen is 7 geddons mining in egghelende all bunched up within about 2k of each other. It was so dumb we thought it was a trap for a while until we had counted up the mining lasers.
5 blew up before they started to warp.... was a lmfao moment.
The were mining veld in probably the most pirate infested 0.4 system in eve.
Also seen a convoy of 8 Apocs all with random names and less than a month old. 3 went boom in the process of them moving one jump... you'd finish one apoc off only to get another warping in. Only running out of cap saved the rest.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.05.30 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Malken i thought everyone knew by now that CCP doesnt care about macrominers. why do you think there are so many still here? why do you think that the same ones are still here after so long time? because CCP doesnt care.
QFT -- move accounts, more income. Your stupid if you belive that CCP will remove paying customers just because they hurt you virtually.
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Drazys
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Posted - 2006.05.30 08:26:00 -
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Indeed, with Eve's "player economy" and risk-and-reward approach regarding to earning ISK in-game, I guess that it is natural part of player economy that "those with cash in RL can have cash in game too" and since there is "risk" involved with such activity as well (risk of getting credit card information stolen), all is well I guess.
Or alternatively this current situation is making a mockery of those two above-mentioned concepts.
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Lucre
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Posted - 2006.05.30 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kyreema That is why I gave up trying to make a living from ice-mining... its pointless.
Surely better to give it up now because of the macroing isk-farmers than to give it up later because you've gourged your eyeballs out from the numbing boredom of mining ice!
If they're mining ice, it means I don't have to do it! I can live with that...
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elFarto
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Posted - 2006.05.30 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Martin Gore They must have a macro that takes from the can to the indy at inhumanly fast rates as the ice only appears for a milliseconds, before the hauler grabs it.
Those are the best, snatch it before they do, if you snatch it before they finish snatching it, and you transfer the ore to your own can in range of their hauler, they get flagged.
That happened to me, for a moment I couldn't work out why he started flashing and I didn't have the ice.
Suffice to say he didn't leave in the ship he arrived in.
Regards elFarto
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.05.30 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 30/05/2006 12:15:50
farming yes, macros prolly not.
So should we ban americans for instance with no job mining 4 accounts 24/7 cause they got no life?
even if they are farmers, unless one can proove they sell and stuff one cant ban 'em.
And why they dont answer in local? perhaps afk, perhaps doesnt speak english, perhaps they allready know what you are going to say even!???
Its almost impossible to proove they are dooing wrong by themselves. And we cant ban ppl for having stupid general names either. Like in CS for instant, who doesnt have sniper in their name? Heck perhaps its an alliance buying accounts together naming them same for logistics purpuses.
Who knows, but farming itself aint against EULA I believe, and beeing AFK aint either, not to mention ignorring you or not speaking english. For myself, I dont really give a rats ass tbh. Sorry aslong as I can play the game im fine. But yeah perhaps making it harder to make ISK in highsec mining/ratting etc is a good idea. Perhaps making it more lawless is good to.
PS: unless you can proove macroing it just sounds retarded callin em macro miners, try farmers instead. Unless you can proove macroing.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.30 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy Proving that someone's sharing accounts is not easy.
Actually it is.
If they're on for 23 hours a day for an entire week, they just broke the world record for number of hours awake without sleeping unless they're sharing accounts
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.05.30 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tachy Proving that someone's sharing accounts is not easy.
Actually it is.
If they're on for 23 hours a day for an entire week, they just broke the world record for number of hours awake without sleeping unless they're sharing accounts
speed
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Myst Override
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Posted - 2006.05.30 12:35:00 -
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Macro Ice Famers = Cheap Ice Product 4 me. |
Soulita
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Posted - 2006.05.30 12:48:00 -
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Sad to see the ignorance of some people.
There is a reason for macros not being allowed, just as there is a reason for hacking the client/server not being allowed etc.
Nuff said.
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Kurren
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Posted - 2006.05.30 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: JenKrist ccp would loose alot of money not only employing someone to find them, then ban them, but from their subscription.
Think of how the economy would be affected should they go? Its like people that say all immigrants should go from england! crazy talk!
Umm... 'Cept for the Ice miners... most just use the free trial subscriptions. CCP wouldn't lose much money at all. Plus, the China server will probably help this a lot. Bringing immigrants into the conversation makes it political. That's a NO-NO!! But, on that, at least I know my money would benefit somebody doing things LEGALLY in terms of the EULA.
Originally by: Kunming - We know, they know, CCP knows - Just steal their ore - Pop their ships - Loot their mods - Enjoy the cash
That is my current solution. I make around 2 mill a day (because I haven't found the Ice miners) off of these guys. They've begun avoiding me. I'm proud. I still find them and make my money off of their work. Vigilanty(sp?) justice... it works out fine for me. --- --- --- ---
SobaKai.com
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.05.30 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kyreema
But as long as they pay their $$$$ subs to CCP each month, CCP will turn a blind eye.
Most likely they dont since they can easily buy timecodes
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Karma
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Posted - 2006.05.30 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron I have a simple solution to macro mining:
Remove all asteroids from secure space.
not quite... more and more we're starting to see macro-pilots running missions by macro...
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Mangold
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Posted - 2006.05.30 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 30/05/2006 06:43:00 Best I ever seen is 7 geddons mining in egghelende all bunched up within about 2k of each other. It was so dumb we thought it was a trap for a while until we had counted up the mining lasers.
5 blew up before they started to warp.... was a lmfao moment.
The were mining veld in probably the most pirate infested 0.4 system in eve.
Also seen a convoy of 8 Apocs all with random names and less than a month old. 3 went boom in the process of them moving one jump... you'd finish one apoc off only to get another warping in. Only running out of cap saved the rest.
Pure comedy.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2006.05.30 16:13:00 -
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sad fact is the eve econimy is now almost entirely re;liant on these people, theres a group of 2-10 in every 1.0 and 0.9 and the pure fact is there is so many if ccp did put any effort into destroying them the universe would end and the sky would fall.
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Kurren
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Posted - 2006.05.30 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear sad fact is the eve econimy is now almost entirely re;liant on these people, theres a group of 2-10 in every 1.0 and 0.9 and the pure fact is there is so many if ccp did put any effort into destroying them the universe would end and the sky would fall.
OR... the economy would simply be handed over to those that need to turn a profit due to their chosen career path instead of being in the hands of those cheating CCP out of money and us out of game play. Prices might go up?! NOOOOO!!!1!!s! If you endorse cheating, you're no better than the cheater. If you rely on Macros because they sell for cheap, it's probably only because you're greedy. Greedy isn't a bad thing, but Macro miners ruin the game. So prices go up... big deal. At least the guy selling the goods now did things the honest way. Though, I'm sure those that "need" macro prices don't give a rat's ass about that... they're the reason people like IGE... or IGN... or who the-hell ever... stay in business. --- --- --- ---
SobaKai.com
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Torros Honsaye
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Posted - 2006.07.06 09:34:00 -
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First of all running macros is bad and anyone who uses them should be banned when caught. Steal the ore out from under them, to me is ok, I've never done it because I am too new and cant drive anything big enough to really hurt them in.
The current CCP plan to just take Ice out of .5 and above to me does nothing to solve anything to deal with the Macro Miners. I feel CCP is taking the easy way out of this and it is not really solving anything but hurting newer players, or ones who are training mining skills are going to be wasted now.
Everyone knows who they are, they log in right after a reboot, and mine endlessly until the next restart, then repeat. CCP knows what time zones these accounts are in, I do not know of any human that has been able to play 23/7, I love Eve as much as the rest and would love to play every day that many hours, but come on CCP, thats the first tell tale sign, how many humans can stay up that long for that many days in a row.
I say ban the macro miners and leave the game alone for the guys who have trained months to mine ice or regular ore.
Taking the ice out except in only low secure areas is only going to make the Ice macro miners switch to mining regular ore in empire, what is CCP going to do then, move all ore to low secure areas?
I mean really, does it stop the macro user? NO, I say CCP go after the macro user. First, CCP's EULA should reflect that if making game actions and repeatedly not replying to a GM response can lead to suspension or permenant banning.
When a player sees a suspect macro user, they report it. CCP should have the ablity to pop into that sector to monitor the suspected player. If the suspect ship is performing game actions, like firing up lasers, ejecting cans, moving ore to and from a can, the act of moving the ship to and from a station, then some one should be at the controls, these are actions the would normaly be done by a player at the controls. A GM should pop up a convo box to talk to the suspect, a box that requires a user action to click it, (maybe that would screw up the macro). If the user does not reply but continues to make game movements, then CCP should boot them from the game for performing game actions and not responding within a certain period of time. They can send an email to the account owner and ingame character warning them that they could be banned performing ingame actions and not responding to GM request.
I personaly do not care if a player has 20 accounts as long as he is at the controls of everyone of them and can respond when a GM talks to him on each of them.
To me this is a better way of actualy getting rid of the macro users instead of CCP changing the game as a work around which hurts legit players, but of course, if we added up all the Macro user accounts currently in game, it would probaly hurt CCP's pocket book and they would not go this route, WOW banned tons of accounts that added up to major amounts of actual cash that they lost, but they went after the actual user account that were destroying the WOW ingame economies, CCP this is what you should do.
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Posted - 2006.07.06 09:53:00 -
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There are no MacroMiners in Jita, they all got banned and will never return. ________________________________________________
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.07.06 09:57:00 -
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.07.06 10:05:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Malken i thought everyone knew by now that CCP doesnt care about macrominers. why do you think there are so many still here? why do you think that the same ones are still here after so long time? because CCP doesnt care.
QFT -- move accounts, more income. Your stupid if you belive that CCP will remove paying customers just because they hurt you virtually.
You can buy gametime cards for isk.
Hence you are so wrong you can get.
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SonOTassadar
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Posted - 2006.07.06 10:38:00 -
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I know of no company that runs a MMO that properly monitors for activities against the EULA. The fact of the matter is it's more profitable for CCP to ban these accounts than it is to leave them there going about their business. Insane? Hear me out.
Obviously, there are players who are going to blow the problem out of proportion. I don't know how much they are affecting the economy, but the fact is they are, and that's a problem, and it drives players away, no doubt. So you've got legitimate customers who are leaving. Next, you have the macro accounts. You can see by how many of them there are that the perseverence in them is insatiable. Remove 1, and you see 10 more the next day. Since CCP doesn't have to deal with distribution costs, every copy is pure, unadulterated profit. So, in reality, if CCP devoted more time to banning macroers, they would essentially see $20 a week, $20 a week, $20 a week, and so on and so forth, depending on how quickly they could identify and ban these accounts. How much more profit is that compared to $20 + $15 each additional month?
Blizzard has seen the impact on their revenues because of this, and I saw a thread about their admittance to it (this was a long time ago, mind you, so the thread is assuredly long gone). They have a system to identify botters, but they do not have a system setup to prevent botters before they can start. Why? So these botters set up new accounts to ban, repeat, ad nauseum. Increased profits for Blizzard. 'tis quite a vicious cycle, but the company comes out the winner, and that's what we want for CCP. ___________________________ |
rixtim
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Posted - 2006.07.06 11:35:00 -
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if you look in the sticky about the ice dissapearing ou of high trafic systems (high trafic does not equal high sec) there is a post from ouver quoteing that they have banned 1000 macro miner accounts earlier this year (work that out compared to wow routeing out macros and bannaing them thats a higher percentage of the userbase)
so in short they are doing something about some of them they just dont shout it out from the rooftops
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mamolian
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Posted - 2006.07.06 11:52:00 -
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With ice fields moving out of safe sec, your macrominers mining ice wont have it so easy anymore.
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Mistress LadyAir
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Posted - 2006.07.06 12:07:00 -
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I petitioned Graade, Minsgrade, DFSDASD, and a couple other characters of theirs that macro mine in Aydoteaux a couple days ago. Within 30 minutes of a GM answering my petition they disappeared from the ice belts leaving a couple cans of ice. I thought for sure that the GM must have acted quickly on my petition, but unfortunately they were all back on mining the next day so I guess not.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.07.06 12:11:00 -
[87]
Necromancy is bad, mmm'kay?
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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Spy4Hire
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Posted - 2006.07.06 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy Maybe they're no macro miners at all and ccp can't do a thing about it?
You have to be blind, dumb, or are just being sarcastic. 80% of Empire space is macro'd, the rest are just there to get stuff to go gank each other in 0.0 (where there is *ALSO* macro mining going on, and macro-ratting, et al).
Eve's subscription base *doubled* with the releases of Cold War and to RMR, and likely a good 85% of those new subs were macros... and for every one you get banned, two more pop out of traning centers fully skilled up and ready to resume where the banned one left off without pause at all. Active usercount has trippled over the last year, much of that being macros and spy alts.
CCP is powerless. Just take a look at slaveBay and filter out the ISK sales. You'll see ships for sale, and chars, and tons of macro programs for sale (along with cheat/exploit primers).
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Marvel Master
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Posted - 2006.07.06 12:35:00 -
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Hi,
the beginners of eve could make with this way easy money. Skill a hauler char and get alle the ice from the contis. :-) You are flagged then, but the macro programs cannot attack you. *g*
Marvel
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.07.06 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian With ice fields moving out of safe sec, your macrominers mining ice wont have it so easy anymore.
Yeah, that's a great solution... Let's not take care of the macro users, let's just remove all the resources they mine!
I'm glad these people aren't real-life lawmakers - imagine what kind of world we'd live in!
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Twirrim Notme
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Posted - 2006.07.06 12:46:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Originally by: mamolian With ice fields moving out of safe sec, your macrominers mining ice wont have it so easy anymore.
Yeah, that's a great solution... Let's not take care of the macro users, let's just remove all the resources they mine!
I'm glad these people aren't real-life lawmakers - imagine what kind of world we'd live in!
Has mental pictures of the UK Government shipping all its armaments to North Korea to get them out of the hands of the terrorists in Europe..
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Buxaroo
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Posted - 2006.07.06 13:49:00 -
[92]
What I want to know is where do they take the ice when they are through with it. If they sell it to someone then great. What I am getting at here is ice mining is about as mind numbing as watching two worms cross a road. And if some chinese kid is making $4 a day doing this then ok by me . My main gripe is the giant secure cans in every damn belt in every nuub system. |
Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.07.06 16:20:00 -
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Funny...as long as some get to play their way, they dont care if micro minners or ISK farmers ruin the game for others. Be removeing the resources and placeing them in NON-secure space, they get happy...
But if it was on the other foot, they would boo hoo harder then the worst care bear.
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Arlenna Molatov
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Posted - 2006.07.06 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Arlenna Molatov on 06/07/2006 16:50:00
Originally by: Lord Frost figure it out yourself...
Not sure how many marcominers there are or isk farmers... but for sheets-n-giggles lets say there are 500 accounts that utilize this lame tactic.
To ban them all, you are then depriving CCP of about $4500 a month...add to that the bans of anyone who has bought isk or ebayed anything ever... and thats maybe another $4500... add to that the loss if CCP banned sale of timecards, and now I'm sure you're getting a bigger picture.
Sad to say... if CCP was active on this and took the necessary procedures to stop and/or minimize this, they'd stand to lose a lot. Aside from petitioning every bargebot5 you see, there's no other way. It really eeeks me that WE have to monitor these macrolosers and do CCP's job. How many GMs are on are one time? Is it that hard to put a few at Jita? I dont think so, but they lead you to belive it is.
Of course, I know nothing.
You could ban EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT on TQ that uses macros for ANYTHING and CCP will still be raking in the $$. They just had ..what was it...38k accounts signed up for the Chinese server? I think that is a low number (cant exactly remember) The point being, get rid of all that damn macro people on TQ and CCP still rakes in the bank!!!
They don't have any excuses anymore.
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Torros Honsaye
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Torros Honsaye on 06/07/2006 17:19:24
Originally by: Mistress LadyAir I petitioned Graade, Minsgrade, DFSDASD, and a couple other characters of theirs that macro mine in Aydoteaux a couple days ago. Within 30 minutes of a GM answering my petition they disappeared from the ice belts leaving a couple cans of ice. I thought for sure that the GM must have acted quickly on my petition, but unfortunately they were all back on mining the next day so I guess not.
In this case all the GM have to do is come to the sector, watch the player, when the player does anything that normaly would require a player action,( meaning, firing up a laser, ejecting a can, moving to and from the station) the GM would attempt to message the player, if the player continues to go about mining and not responds, boot him, they can keep track of he guy the next time, and if he continues, ban his arse. I just feel if they pull it all out of high secure areas it effects the newer players more and the macro users dont get punished in any way. They can add legal stuff in the EULA to make it legal for CCP to boot someone if they repeatedly do not repond while continuing moving about the game. ( I dont mean afk while traveling, but mining and docking 23/7)
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error Necromancy is bad, mmm'kay?
You know these thread resurrections aren't always deliberate necromancy but instead the result of someone using the search box and replying to an existing, but old thread.
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Sadayiel
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Posted - 2006.07.06 18:01:00 -
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What's farming?
Now let's say i buy 7 accounts (allowed) i use all 7 accounts at once on my own house (allowed) After the account it's logged on i let someone to "test the game" (allowed)
if ccp come and say a word to any account my friend just call me and i aproach to solve the minor trouble, of course Ccp don't care right?
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.07.06 18:11:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Sadayiel What's farming?
Now let's say i buy 7 accounts (allowed) i use all 7 accounts at once on my own house (allowed) After the account it's logged on i let someone to "test the game" (allowed)
if ccp come and say a word to any account my friend just call me and i aproach to solve the minor trouble, of course Ccp don't care right?
You are not allowed to hand over an account to someone else. --*=*=*--
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Arkanor
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Posted - 2006.07.06 20:47:00 -
[99]
Originally by: SonOTassadar I know of no company that runs a MMO that properly monitors for activities against the EULA. The fact of the matter is it's more profitable for CCP to ban these accounts than it is to leave them there going about their business. Insane? Hear me out.
Obviously, there are players who are going to blow the problem out of proportion. I don't know how much they are affecting the economy, but the fact is they are, and that's a problem, and it drives players away, no doubt. So you've got legitimate customers who are leaving. Next, you have the macro accounts. You can see by how many of them there are that the perseverence in them is insatiable. Remove 1, and you see 10 more the next day. Since CCP doesn't have to deal with distribution costs, every copy is pure, unadulterated profit. So, in reality, if CCP devoted more time to banning macroers, they would essentially see $20 a week, $20 a week, $20 a week, and so on and so forth, depending on how quickly they could identify and ban these accounts. How much more profit is that compared to $20 + $15 each additional month?
Blizzard has seen the impact on their revenues because of this, and I saw a thread about their admittance to it (this was a long time ago, mind you, so the thread is assuredly long gone). They have a system to identify botters, but they do not have a system setup to prevent botters before they can start. Why? So these botters set up new accounts to ban, repeat, ad nauseum. Increased profits for Blizzard. 'tis quite a vicious cycle, but the company comes out the winner, and that's what we want for CCP.
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Originally by: kieron rabble, Rabble, RABBLE, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!111elevenone
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.06 21:48:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Spy4Hire
Originally by: Tachy Maybe they're no macro miners at all and ccp can't do a thing about it?
You have to be blind, dumb, or are just being sarcastic. 80% of Empire space is macro'd, the rest are just there to get stuff to go gank each other in 0.0 (where there is *ALSO* macro mining going on, and macro-ratting, et al).
Eve's subscription base *doubled* with the releases of Cold War and to RMR, and likely a good 85% of those new subs were macros... and for every one you get banned, two more pop out of traning centers fully skilled up and ready to resume where the banned one left off without pause at all. Active usercount has trippled over the last year, much of that being macros and spy alts.
CCP is powerless. Just take a look at slaveBay and filter out the ISK sales. You'll see ships for sale, and chars, and tons of macro programs for sale (along with cheat/exploit primers).
pvp is everyting in eve. if you can obtain resources without ever touching keyboard or mice. power to you. remember means justified ends and since macro mining give advantage in pvp it is perfectly legit. who says we need carebears to drive the economy!
all hail PVP!
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ObiDoom Kenobi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 03:30:00 -
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It doesn't have to be macro miners, it could just as easily be one of those setups with a bunch of people taking shifts on the computers to do the mining.
Not that that makes it right, but if they all work from the same IP all day every day I don't know what CCP can do about it. It's not like CCP is hiring out soldies of fortune to become an international EVE Online police force...
Although I'd pay a few extra bucks a month just to see it...
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TabbyT
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Posted - 2006.07.07 04:22:00 -
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Hey, if someone sets a forum where Macrominers are I'd be glad to help harass them.
My general plan when dealing with Macro Miners
-You and a friend, one of you has a maxed out hauler the other a combat ship. -Combat ship steals a takes a small amount of ore from the macrominer. Puts that into his cargo and jettisons that as a can. Then moves the rest of the macrominer's ore from the macro's can to his own can. -The hauler ship steals from the combat ship.
Basically, the macrominer is either forced to put up with you two, leave or hopefully attack.
Anyone want to tell me where these ice miner are? I need ice :P
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Villiger
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Posted - 2006.07.07 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor dealing with ice miners is very easy
get a combat ship, like a caracal or something
go mwd to their cans, remove ice, place in your own can (jet 1 missile or something)
keep stealing ice until they either: a) try to take it back (bewm!) b) bring someone to kill you while you're flagged (bewm!) c) give up and dock (victory!)
make sure to bring a hauler to take all their precious ice when you're done too.
don't hate macroing ice miners theyre some of the most fun people to grief in the game dude.
That's my view on this matter as wellà If youÆre so sure those characters are using macroÆs, just take their ore. DonÆt complain about how theyÆre getting away with it; how CCP does nothing. YOU do somethingà Getting mad because they took over your favorite mining spot and ranting on the forms about it has gotten you what???
If theyÆre using macroÆs, itÆs easy ore for you to take. If theyÆre power-mining and donÆt want to respond to your invites, I hope they smoke you like a pack of cigarettes for blasting them here on the forums. Either way, step up to the plateà
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The Hand
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Posted - 2006.07.07 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sadayiel What's farming?
Now let's say i buy 7 accounts (allowed) i use all 7 accounts at once on my own house (allowed) After the account it's logged on i let someone to "test the game" (allowed)
if ccp come and say a word to any account my friend just call me and i aproach to solve the minor trouble, of course Ccp don't care right?
After watching this video i have gone from thinking that some of the farmers are chinese to most of the farmers are chinese,
CCP needs to stop chinese ip's from going on tranquility, the industry and economy is suffering already.
Those of you who are posting saying that it dosnt bother you fine, thats probably because most of you live in low sec space, and do pvp more than make stuff.
If your an industrial player empire is wrecked, and besides why should I/we go to 0.0 just so i can mine plag or pyro when im building and selling the ships in empire. the only reason people want miners to go to low sec is so they have more things to shoot.
Guys before flaming people for kicking off about farmers look at it from the industrialists side.
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Xevin
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Posted - 2006.07.07 14:31:00 -
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I hardly ever mine but I think its pathetic that you guys spend your game time worryin about such things. I also think its pathetic that you are a tattle tale over something as rediculas as macro mining. Macroing is going to be part of all MMO's. Can't beat em join em eh? If you dont want to join them then just play it your way and leave everyone else alone.
What they do ultimately drives ship prices downward which means we can fight more and blow up more with a lil less worry...
Get on with your life mate. This fight aint worth this stress lol.
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CutterJane
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Posted - 2006.07.07 14:59:00 -
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All banning macroers accomplishes is to treat symptoms.. the disease is still alive and festering, and a ripe open wound for macroers to infest given half a chance.
Treat the disease, not the symptoms. What is the disease? The fact that mining in this game is so utterly mind numbingly boring and devoid of thought that it can be macroed like childsplay. Seriously. Its horrible.
Until a system of mining is introduced that actually requires a brain cell to accomplish, some actual human decision making capability, macroers will continue to have their expoitable gameplay mechanic. Doesn't stop the farmers, but farming is a lesser offense in my eyes, as at least there is a person at the keyboard.
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2006.07.07 15:56:00 -
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You have to think about how smart these CCP guys are... no, really you do! I mean, do you think these super code writing software computer gods didnt realize that mounds of ice in high sec would cause a macro dream? Come on, even a 12yo nerd with pimples can figure that one out. CCP wants them there, and they want more accounts... its a business, they dont give a rats arse about anything after that... once they locked a onthly bill out of you... they move on.
realize that, and then play the game, and you'll be fine.
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Brooksy2005
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Posted - 2006.07.07 16:30:00 -
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CCP will not ban these accounts for 1 reason only!
MONEY!!!!!
all those macro miners pay loads in real money each month to run those accounts which obviously pays ccp. the macroers then sell the isk/ore made for real money & buy yet more accounts.
its madness guys but very big business! in places like china & some poorer countries they have big sweatshops with people running macros constantly. 1 person might be in charge of like 6-7 accounts mostly run on separate PC's
these companies then pay thier employees next to nothing per hour & profit loads!
CCP will never ban any macro acccounts no matter how much you petition & winge about it, if they banned all macro accounts they would not make big money.
the best we can do is go to jita, find macroers & blow them up!!! the flagged when stealing a can system works nicely for this without losing sec status & being wtf pawned by concord.
please remember this is only my view & i hate macro scum! infact im gonna go to jita 2nite & pop some & sell all the strip miners!!
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2006.07.07 16:30:00 -
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Well now that the inner ice belts are going to dissapear you shouldn't have a problem with macro miners mining ice in high sec. In all probability they will move on to mine Ore instead. That makes me like macro miners, if they all swarm and keep depleting all the high sec ore belts then the carebears will be force to move to low sec... where we will be waiting with open arms... =============================================== *If you don't want me to complain about WCS then don't complain when I gank you with a 5 man fleet just so I have enough points on |
Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.07.07 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sensor Error on 07/07/2006 17:44:14
Originally by: spurious signal
Originally by: Sensor Error Necromancy is bad, mmm'kay?
You know these thread resurrections aren't always deliberate necromancy but instead the result of someone using the search box and replying to an existing, but old thread.
Ok. Well lets disect this thread. It's like pretty much every other macro miner thread in existance.
People saying CCP arn't doing anything because of the subs - Check.
People saying CCP should just ban all accounts straight off - Check.
People saying CCP should (and do) investigate and then ban en masse - Check
People saying CCP should move all ice into low sec to allow players to blast them to pieces - Check
People saying CCP endorse macros because of GTC - Check.
People pointing out that CCP DO ban accounts - Check.
People saying that if CCP do ban all macro miners till the end of time that the mineral prices will skyrocket and the sky will fall - Check
People then pointing out that the economy is player run and will adjust to make up for this - Check.
Please point out one single point in this entire thread that is unique and never been said before. Well then.
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Rubra
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Posted - 2006.07.07 17:49:00 -
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I'm pretty amazed that any GStomp toons would be left at all. IIRC they were setup purely as character farm accounts focused on mining, and used for macro ops. Sad they are still around.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2006.07.07 17:51:00 -
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Quote: CCP will not ban these accounts for 1 reason only!
MONEY!!!!!
all those macro miners pay loads in real money each month to run those accounts which obviously pays ccp. the macroers then sell the isk/ore made for real money & buy yet more accounts.
Bull. Many macro miners are on trial accounts, and those on permanent accounts make up a very small percent of the total population in EVE. Now which do you think CCP will side with? The thousands of paying customers who are outraged by macro mining or the few hundred actual macro miners? Which group contributes more funds to CCP?
CCP does ban macro miners, but banning a trial account isn't going to do much good and the cost of setting up a new permanent account isn't that great considering the money to be made from selling isk on ebay.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.07.07 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Steel Why is this such a big hair up your *ss?? What difference does it make to you if they're there or not? This is a game mate, let it go
They ruin the economy.
What they do is equivalent to introducing loads of cash money into a real world economy constantly.
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Ebon Drake
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Posted - 2006.07.07 22:15:00 -
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I don't use macros or support them, but it's a fact of life that if you make any integral part of the game Mind-Numbingly Boring, people will macro it. Everyone seems to agree that mining fits this description, so macro miners will always exist. As someone else stated earlier - the only real fix has to start with the problem, not the symptoms. A couple of points:
1) It takes about 12 minutes for one mining cycle in my Covetor. Only about 30 seconds (~4%) of that time requires any attention or input on my part. I have a timer I set to beep to remind me when to return to the station to unload. The other 96% of the time, I'm watching TV, playing another game or maybe even sitting on the pot. Who knows??? I'm semi-afk - not macroing.
2) I speak perfect English. I don't answer convos while mining because they take one of three forms 100% of the time in Empire space: a. "ur a durty maccro minner - git our of ar sector befgore we ramm yoo!!!!" b. "I'm a noob - gimme some money or ore or help me with this L1 mission." c. "Won't you join my new corp?" (Even though I'm already in one)
So if I don't answer your convo while I'm mining, don't assume I'm a macroer or can't speak English. Assume it's because I don't care to converse with lower life forms. I'm under no obligation to do so.
And if you start ramming me for no reason, I WILL report YOU for harassment.
By the way - I don't ice-mine at all. It's just TOO freaking boring. Thank the gods that SOMEONE does.
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.07 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Rod Steel Why is this such a big hair up your *ss?? What difference does it make to you if they're there or not? This is a game mate, let it go
They ruin the economy.
What they do is equivalent to introducing loads of cash money into a real world economy constantly.
this game is pvp first economy second. economy is just a means to an end which is pvp. so all must consider the effects of pvp first. more minerals -> more ships -> more pvp. on top of thet, you got it wrong they dont intorduce loads of cash money they introduce more minerals. not the same affects. go gimp some mission runners if you want to cut down cash.
minerals are good for pvp !
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Mr Happ
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Posted - 2006.07.07 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: PeeWee Pee
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Rod Steel Why is this such a big hair up your *ss?? What difference does it make to you if they're there or not? This is a game mate, let it go
They ruin the economy.
What they do is equivalent to introducing loads of cash money into a real world economy constantly.
this game is pvp first economy second. economy is just a means to an end which is pvp. so all must consider the effects of pvp first. more minerals -> more ships -> more pvp. on top of thet, you got it wrong they dont intorduce loads of cash money they introduce more minerals. not the same affects. go gimp some mission runners if you want to cut down cash.
minerals are good for pvp !
First off Troll, Post with your main, second off, wts clue
PVP is not the *omg play eve its pure pvp* there are hundreds of players fi not thousands who never pvp because they dont want to, i happen to know of around 40 who sit in one chan which i speak to who o not pvp, never have and never will because they like to make isk, run lvl 4's and mine, not all of us want to say
By a Macheireil, fit it with core x type gear and then go egt blown up, some of us would like to keep it
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Commander Sevenfold
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Posted - 2006.07.08 01:26:00 -
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you guys have no reason to complain. these people do not directly harm the economy nor distroy your play enviroment. i know plenty of people who still mine ice and make decent money. Also, why is CCP so evil for not preventing something that makes them money. the macro miners are not distroying eve at all, so CCP shouldnt have to stop them, because that is like throwing away money(they are allowed to want to do that).
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.07.08 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Rod Steel Why is this such a big hair up your *ss?? What difference does it make to you if they're there or not? This is a game mate, let it go
They ruin the economy.
What they do is equivalent to introducing loads of cash money into a real world economy constantly.
No they don't.
macro miner 1) Mines 10 million units of trit
Player 1) Buys 10 million units of trit with the money he pirated/ did missions for/ did trade routes for/ npc'd for/ got ship insurance payout.
This process does not involve the creation of isk in any form.
What it DOES do is increase the supply.
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