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Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
785
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:28:00 -
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Leucippus wrote:Duchess Starbuckington wrote: A few years ago CCP slapped a gigantic buff on Angel ships, and the Dramiel in particular became basically the be-all-end-all of frigate combat. Looking at the current state of the game, and the look of this new frigate, I'm getting some major de-ja-vu here. Here's one difference: Angels and Serpentis ships are available from agents at a number of stations and systems. Currently, at least five or six corporations bring them to market. Mordus ships will be available from only one station system that happens to lie squarely in Goon space. The Goons must be laughing all the way to the bank right now. I congratulate the relevant CSMs, if congratulations are indeed due.
Sometimes life seems hard and unfair. That's because it is. Does this mean that we should give up living? Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Feodor Romanov
MS Logistics
1
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:35:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Can we at some point address how grossly overpowered light missiles are at applying damage at range compared to the other small lr-range weapons?
(Higher dps at range than any of the others, smaller tracking issues, immunity to TD's (which is ******* huge seeing how much td's are used in frigate kiting))
Drones applying more dps at range more then light missiles can do. And they are imunne to all E-war. There is only few ships in EVE that can run from warriors damage.
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Colt Blackhawk
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
288
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:37:00 -
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Leucippus wrote:Duchess Starbuckington wrote: A few years ago CCP slapped a gigantic buff on Angel ships, and the Dramiel in particular became basically the be-all-end-all of frigate combat. Looking at the current state of the game, and the look of this new frigate, I'm getting some major de-ja-vu here. Here's one difference: Angels and Serpentis ships are available from agents at a number of stations and systems. Currently, at least five or six corporations bring them to market. Mordus ships will be available from only one station system that happens to lie squarely in Goon space. The Goons must be laughing all the way to the bank right now. I congratulate the relevant CSMs, if congratulations are indeed due.
LOLOLOLOL. Just a short hint: Goonies get a sh.... Mordus Angels live in the Mordus Legion 5Z station for over 7 years now. Btw their main goal is killing goonies :) [09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks. |
Leucippus
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:48:00 -
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Leucippus wrote:Mordus ships will be available from only one station system that happens to lie squarely in Goon space. The Goons must be laughing all the way to the bank right now.
Sometimes life seems hard and unfair. That's because it is. Does this mean that we should give up living?[/quote]
No. But it does mean that if CCP want to introduce new OP ships, they should make an effort to make them available to more than one alliance. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
287
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:51:00 -
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Did you not read? The BPC will also be found everywhere in low-sec from new NPC that drop them.
Which I'm going to take a guess and say that this will be the main source of these ships. That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money.... |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
481
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:07:00 -
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Quote:Can we at some point address how grossly overpowered light missiles are at applying damage at range compared to the other small lr-range weapons?
No. We will, however, double down on that design decision every expansion by adding yet more overpowered lml platforms.
Quote:Mordus ships will be available from only one station system that happens to lie squarely in Goon space.
And any belt in lowsec.
Quote:If the ship only has one soft counter out of the entire array of frigs on offer then I'd say that is indicative of a ship being clearly OP.
It won't be quite that bad - there will be a few other ships, but they'll all be specific counterfits to one specific set up, which is not really good balance.
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
590
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:10:00 -
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Feodor Romanov wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:Feodor Romanov wrote: Angels and Serpentis outclass every same class ship in the game. They also have anough speed to catch Mordu's. So Mordu's will be the opponent but not outclass this ships.
Serpentis ships will never get close enough to use their webs. Common. In such speed that have Serpentis, Angels and Mordus. There will be not so hard to brake orbit or get close to opponent. Dramiel is faster, DD can fit Fed Navy web also.
they're actually right. Taking a malediction and a daredevil right now and letting them rush into each other, the malediction will just scram the DD outside it's webrange (before pimp to either of them) and whittle down the DD from afar.
Unlike a malediction though, the mordus frig has superior scramrange (25% bonus / 50% rangebonus) and deals over two times the damage. SO this will turn very ugly for the DD.
Malediction sits tight at 14k around a DD, mwd on and orbit-9.5km engaged. The Mordus frig can easily sit at 18km, which is depressing atleast for the DD. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2126
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:27:00 -
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Feodor Romanov wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Can we at some point address how grossly overpowered light missiles are at applying damage at range compared to the other small lr-range weapons?
(Higher dps at range than any of the others, smaller tracking issues, immunity to TD's (which is ******* huge seeing how much td's are used in frigate kiting)) Drones applying more dps at range more then light missiles can do. And they are imunne to all E-war. There is only few ships in EVE that can run from warriors damage.
There are loads of ships that can run from warriors.
And those who can't can easily kill those warriors
You are wrong. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Feodor Romanov
MS Logistics
1
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:28:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Feodor Romanov wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:Feodor Romanov wrote: Angels and Serpentis outclass every same class ship in the game. They also have anough speed to catch Mordu's. So Mordu's will be the opponent but not outclass this ships.
Serpentis ships will never get close enough to use their webs. Common. In such speed that have Serpentis, Angels and Mordus. There will be not so hard to brake orbit or get close to opponent. Dramiel is faster, DD can fit Fed Navy web also. they're actually right. Taking a malediction and a daredevil right now and letting them rush into each other, the malediction will just scram the DD outside it's webrange (before pimp to either of them) and whittle down the DD from afar. Unlike a malediction though, the mordus frig has superior scramrange (25% bonus / 50% rangebonus) and deals over two times the damage. SO this will turn very ugly for the DD. Malediction sits tight at 14k around a DD, mwd on and orbit-9.5km engaged. The Mordus frig can easily sit at 18km, which is depressing atleast for the DD.
Fit Federation navy Web to DD, set links, heat, then web range will be 20 km with 90% power. Also you can fit rails to DD. Swing the orbit range, heat MWD, and you will have few sec more speed then kiter have, that is anough to set target on 19km web, or brake orbit out of his lock/point range. |
Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
267
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:50:00 -
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Quote:Fit Federation navy Web to DD, set links, heat, then web range will be 20 km with 90% power.
Pirate frigate with 90% bonused faction web and link ship able to kill kiter.
In other news: sky blue, grass green, Minmatar rusty. |
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:15:00 -
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Duchess Starbuckington wrote:Quote:Fit Federation navy Web to DD, set links, heat, then web range will be 20 km with 90% power. Pirate frigate with 90% bonused faction web and link ship able tomight kill kiter. In other news: sky blue, grass green, Minmatar rusty.
FTFY.
It still has to contend with nearly corax DPS levels |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
786
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:15:00 -
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Ultimate Orthrus kite fit? 7000m/s continuous
5x Light Missile Launcher II 1x Small Energy Neutralizer II
100MN Microwarpdrive II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor 3x Cap Recharger II
3x True Sansha Power Diagnostic System 1x Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
5x Warrior II
+3% fitting implant no snakes or other faction nonsense
Stats: With Claymore skirmish booster:
Continuous max speed (no overheat): 6966m/s Warp disruptor range: 60.5km (continuous) align time: 20.6 overheated dps: 308
Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:19:00 -
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Top bumper! |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:38:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Malediction sits tight at 14k around a DD, mwd on and orbit-9.5km engaged. The Mordus frig can easily sit at 18km, which is depressing atleast for the DD. Not just for the DD, but for every other frigate in the game except the Dramiel.
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:41:00 -
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A ship with a bonus to warp disruption range, should preclude it from having a high max velocity.
Warp disruption range bonus + the second highest max velocity in the pirate lineup are two bonuses which are far too powerful when combined. Add to that long range missile which ignore tracking and deliver a tonne of dps and it makes me wonder how on earth this ship got past the internal balance testing phase. |
Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:54:00 -
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Its really fun to see people who don't solo or who don't pvp at all complaining about a ship being OP that isn't even on test server yet.
From what I see its like the a faction interceptor, not that op, but we will see once it finally makes it onto the test server. |
Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
268
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:13:00 -
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Rajeet Achmar wrote:Its really fun to see people who don't solo or who don't pvp at all complaining about a ship being OP that isn't even on test server yet.
From what I see its like the a faction interceptor, not that op, but we will see once it finally makes it onto the test server.
If they introduced a ship faster than Angels, tankier than Amarr with 8/8/8 slot layouts and crazy damage/range, would you whine about people calling it OP before it hit test server?
Existing stats, tactics and meta are more than sufficient to show this is OP, and eventual test server results will be: 1. The icing on the cake 2. Too. Damn. Late.
I for one do not want another near-unstoppable pwnmobile that obsoletes all others in its class hitting the live server, and the time to stop that happening is now.
The frigate is hideously OP, the cruiser is pretty ******* borderline. The battleship seems alright at this point though I would really appreciate it if it didn't have hideous asymmetrical launchers.*
*... But that's a whole other issue. |
Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:18:00 -
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Duchess Starbuckington wrote:Rajeet Achmar wrote:Its really fun to see people who don't solo or who don't pvp at all complaining about a ship being OP that isn't even on test server yet.
From what I see its like the a faction interceptor, not that op, but we will see once it finally makes it onto the test server. If they introduced a ship faster than Angels, tankier than Amarr with 8/8/8 slot layouts and crazy damage/range, would you whine about people calling it OP before it hit test server? Existing stats, tactics and meta are more than sufficient to show this is OP, and eventual test server results will be: 1. The icing on the cake 2. Too. Damn. Late.I for one do not want another near-unstoppable pwnmobile that obsoletes all others in its class hitting the live server, and the time to stop that happening is now.The frigate is hideously OP, the cruiser is pretty ******* borderline. The battleship seems alright at this point though I would really appreciate it if it didn't have hideous asymmetrical launchers.* *... But that's a whole other issue.
It may seem super OP on paper, but from FW experience it will get easily beat up, all i see in low sec now is boosted kitey condors/tristans/dramiels/asteros... |
Liam Inkuras
Mafia Redux
1046
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:34:00 -
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A lot of people posting in here really don't have a clue about the current meta in pvp and that these ships are going to be a fantastic addition to small gangs, and are fairly well balanced. Currently, the dominant fit for ANY of the ships is fit with light missiles (yes, light, NOT rapid light). The Orthus can easily fit light missiles, LSE, XL-ASB, MWD, point, and damage mods + a neut to boot. Oh, and it also sits well over 300dps before heat and drones with that fit, perfectly applied to anything non-interceptor. The Garmur's lock range issue can be solved with a T2 targeting range rig. As for the battleship, I still stand by my earlier post saying to fit and fly it with light missiles, a heavy neut, a ridiculous tank, and insane speeds. That being said, it could use a 10% damage bonus rather than the 5% damage bonus, in order to remain competitive in the DPS department with other pirate factions.
Edit: they are also all very easily countered by Neuts, Damps, or Sansha ships. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1495
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:35:00 -
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Duchess Starbuckington wrote: I for one do not want another near-unstoppable pwnmobile that obsoletes all others in its class hitting the live server, and the time to stop that happening is now.
... +1 |
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Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
3
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:45:00 -
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The amount of people commenting in this thread who have no pvp experience whatsoever is to dang high!
Lets wait and see what it looks like on sisi, if its OP as all hell it will easily be seen. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
788
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:51:00 -
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Rajeet Achmar wrote:The amount of people commenting in this thread who have no pvp experience whatsoever is to dang high!
Lets wait and see what it looks like on sisi, if its OP as all hell it will easily be seen.
The moment we got hold of the latest eft data files, 2 of the 3 best pvpers in our corp got together and knocked together some fits, based on many combined years of experience.
The result, within 10 minutes, was hilarity at the uber OPness of this ridiculous lineup.
The worst offender is the cruiser, by a long margin. It has no weakness. Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
3
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:57:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:Rajeet Achmar wrote:The amount of people commenting in this thread who have no pvp experience whatsoever is to dang high!
Lets wait and see what it looks like on sisi, if its OP as all hell it will easily be seen. The moment we got hold of the latest eft data files, 2 of the 3 best pvpers in our corp got together and knocked together some fits, based on many combined years of experience. The result, within 10 minutes, was hilarity at the uber OPness of this ridiculous lineup. The worst offender is the cruiser, by a long margin. It has no weakness.
I personally want to try them out, stats give a ton of information but its always a tiny bit different in practice. Honestly this was the same story when the angels got buffed as said above, that it was end of the world OP. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
790
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:11:00 -
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Rajeet Achmar wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:Rajeet Achmar wrote:The amount of people commenting in this thread who have no pvp experience whatsoever is to dang high!
Lets wait and see what it looks like on sisi, if its OP as all hell it will easily be seen. The moment we got hold of the latest eft data files, 2 of the 3 best pvpers in our corp got together and knocked together some fits, based on many combined years of experience. The result, within 10 minutes, was hilarity at the uber OPness of this ridiculous lineup. The worst offender is the cruiser, by a long margin. It has no weakness. I personally want to try them out, stats give a ton of information but its always a tiny bit different in practice. Honestly this was the same story when the angels got buffed as said above, that it was end of the world OP.
Heh heh, we all do but it's pointless. They'll be nerfed. Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:23:00 -
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Duchess Starbuckington wrote:Quote:Fit Federation navy Web to DD, set links, heat, then web range will be 20 km with 90% power. Pirate frigate with 90% bonused faction web and link ship able to kill kiter. In other news: sky blue, grass green, Minmatar rusty. It still wont kill it as the Garmur will be most likely fitted with a MWD and Warp Disruptor. DD will have no chance against an equally skilled pilot. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
361
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:25:00 -
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Wow, I love all of these ships
But the Barghest would be a lot more attractive with a 7.5% damage bonus, instead of 5%... then it'd actually have the DPS increase over empire hulls that the other pirate factions get. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:26:00 -
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Rajeet Achmar wrote:complaining about a ship being OP that isn't even on test server yet.
From what I see its like the a faction interceptor, not that op, but we will see once it finally makes it onto the test server. I can see this ship is going to be OP without even needing to try it on the Test server. I think anyone even remotely skilled at pvp can.
And it is not a faction interceptor, faction interceptors don't get 50% bonus to warp disruptor range. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:33:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:A lot of people posting in here really don't have a clue about the current meta in pvp and that these ships are going to be a fantastic addition to small gangs, and are fairly well balanced.
Liam Inkuras wrote:Edit: they are also all very easily countered by Neuts, Damps, or Sansha ships.
How will a Sansha ship easily counter it considering that the Garmur will clearly be fit with long range point, light missiles, and a MWD like all other proper kitey missile ships..
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
590
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:40:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Rajeet Achmar wrote:complaining about a ship being OP that isn't even on test server yet.
From what I see its like the a faction interceptor, not that op, but we will see once it finally makes it onto the test server. I can see this ship is going to be OP without even needing to try it on the Test server. I think anyone even remotely skilled at pvp can. And it is not a faction interceptor, faction interceptors don't get 50% bonus to warp disruptor range.
Just alone from the stats... no, not yet. They are extremely strong for solo, which is why so many people are worried about FW being seperated into Mordu frig and not-mordu frig with how kiting and scramkiting works.
That aside, they're still Pirateships with T1 resists and a poor capacitor, so they won't be able to tank like a cerb (especially /w logistics), they'll just be more agile with a larger sig. They will be insanely good for small kiting gangs, but don't forget other ridiculous boni being handed out across pirate ships - like sansha-AB-speeds (1.8km/s+ succubus, 2.6km/s+ for the phantasm with 100mn), Gursita's hilarious dps or the sustained 90%-webs for serpentis.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Liam Inkuras
Mafia Redux
1046
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:41:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Liam Inkuras wrote:A lot of people posting in here really don't have a clue about the current meta in pvp and that these ships are going to be a fantastic addition to small gangs, and are fairly well balanced. Liam Inkuras wrote:Edit: they are also all very easily countered by Neuts, Damps, or Sansha ships. How will a Sansha ship easily counter it considering that the Garmur will clearly be fit with long range point, light missiles, and a MWD like all other proper kitey missile ships.. Incredibly low sig, 100% AB bonus, insane speeds, un-scrammable, and scorch I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
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