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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1401
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:21:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises The Marmite Collective
88
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:02:00 -
[1172] - Quote
ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.
What would be helpful is if you got on the Horn to CCP Rise or CCP Fozzie and told them to respond to their own thread... thus it would minimize what the wolves are Left alone to do! eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3665
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:06:00 -
[1173] - Quote
Cordo Draken wrote:What would be helpful is if you got on the Horn to CCP Rise or CCP Fozzie and told them to respond to their own thread... thus it would minimize what the wolves are Left alone to do! Leaders are like eagles around here... we don't have them anymore. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Cult of Mooby
198
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:26:00 -
[1174] - Quote
Cordo Draken wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. What would be helpful is if you got on the Horn to CCP Rise or CCP Fozzie and told them to respond to their own thread... thus it would minimize what the wolves are Left alone to do! Quoting before post removal.... |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3665
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:32:00 -
[1175] - Quote
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Quoting before post removal.... Quoting your quote. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Cult of Mooby
198
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:32:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Harvey James wrote:Hagika wrote:Harvey James wrote:the whole mordus line still need their tank nerfed ... missile enhancer mods should really have been planned along with them Tank nerfed? You cant be serious.... just compare its mobility and tank to the other attack lines of ships .... angels/serpentis .... Sure, I would agree to that. So long as it can apply the same damage as a blaster Vindi. That shouldn't be a problem right? Or are you just here to troll because that's all this thread is good for now blaster vindi vs kiting mordus legion . hhmm... yes thats a sensible comparison ... its damage application is a different issue to mobility and tank ... Your arguments seem to be that: A missile ship that could apply it's damage to a same size hull without using it's rig slots and still having to use mids at close range would be OP. A missile ship that could deal Pirate level damage would be OP. A missile ship that can do Pirate level speed would be OP.
It seems to me that what you really want in a Mordu's ship is something as slow as a Raven, with the application of a Phoenix, and the damage of a banana.
What exactly are you doing in this thread besides trolling with your "nerf the Mordu's" posts? |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3665
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:33:00 -
[1177] - Quote
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Cordo Draken wrote:What would be helpful is if you got on the Horn to CCP Rise or CCP Fozzie and told them to respond to their own thread... thus it would minimize what the wolves are Left alone to do! Quoting before post removal.... [/quote] I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
823
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:52:00 -
[1178] - Quote
Quote:the whole mordus line still need their tank nerfed ... missile enhancer mods should really have been planned along with them
Tank nerfed? You cant be serious....
just compare its mobility and tank to the other attack lines of ships .... angels/serpentis .... Sure, I would agree to that. So long as it can apply the same damage as a blaster Vindi. That shouldn't be a problem right? Or are you just here to troll because that's all this thread is good for now
blaster vindi vs kiting mordus legion . hhmm... yes thats a sensible comparison ... its damage application is a different issue to mobility and tank .. Your arguments seem to be that: A missile ship that could apply it's damage to a same size hull without using it's rig slots and still having to use mids at close range would be OP. A missile ship that could deal Pirate level damage would be OP. A missile ship that can do Pirate level speed would be OP.
It seems to me that what you really want in a Mordu's ship is something as slow as a Raven, with the application of a Phoenix, and the damage of a banana.
What exactly are you doing in this thread besides trolling with your "nerf the Mordu's" posts?
this post of yours looks like a nonsensical troll... what i'm saying is if you make a reasonable like for like comparison .. you will see that the mordus ships tank attributes are OP compared to ships with a similar role.. Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:55:00 -
[1179] - Quote
Harvey James wrote:this post of yours looks like a nonsensical troll... what i'm saying is if you make a reasonable like for like comparison .. you will see that the mordus ships tank attributes are OP compared to ships with a similar role.. Can't speak to the Frig or Cruiser so much on tank, but with the BS, it's tank it's on par with the other Pirate BS ships.. RS Excluded of course. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
823
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:59:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:Harvey James wrote:this post of yours looks like a nonsensical troll... what i'm saying is if you make a reasonable like for like comparison .. you will see that the mordus ships tank attributes are OP compared to ships with a similar role.. Can't speak to the Frig or Cruiser so much on tank, but with the BS, it's tank it's on par with the other Pirate BS ships.. RS Excluded of course.
mordus - are attack line angel - are attack line serpentis - are attack line
sansha - supposed too be attack line but seem too be inbetween for some reason
gurista - are combat line blood raider - are combat line
attack line - is low tank but fast good projection .. like a cynabal combat line - are tanky brawlers .. like a gila
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3665
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:01:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:attack line - is low tank but fast good projection Have you run the actual damage application numbers? They're abysmal... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
711
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:12:00 -
[1182] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Harvey James wrote:attack line - is low tank but fast good projection Have you run the actual damage application numbers? They're abysmal...
elaborate, because I think you're wrong |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3665
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:15:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:elaborate, because I think you're wrong Sure, give me a weapon system to compare on the Barghest vs. another hull. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
711
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:17:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:elaborate, because I think you're wrong Sure, give me a weapon system to compare on the Barghest vs. another hull.
are you baiting me or something? cruise missiles and torps obviously. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3665
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:19:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:are you baiting me or something? cruise missiles and torps obviously. Nope. Cruise missiles and torpedoes, check (will do Faction as well as T2). Which hull(s) would you like a comparison against the Barghest? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
711
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:21:00 -
[1186] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:are you baiting me or something? cruise missiles and torps obviously. Nope. Cruise missiles and torpedoes, check (will do Faction as well as T2). Which hull(s) would you like a comparison against the Barghest?
I am able to run the numbers myself, what I'm asking you is your idea of what the comparison should be - to post the numbers that you are saying are low. what do you think it should be able to hit that it cannot. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3665
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:23:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:I am able to run the numbers myself, what I'm asking you is your idea of what the comparison should be - to post the numbers that you are saying are low. what do you think it should be able to hit that it cannot. A fair comparison would seem to be with the Raven Navy Issue, Golem - possibly the Typhoon Fleet Issue? Missiles can hit anything, that's not the issue. But applying more than 50% of rated DPS without implants, full rigors and a pair of target painters is going to be a challenge. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
711
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:27:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:I am able to run the numbers myself, what I'm asking you is your idea of what the comparison should be - to post the numbers that you are saying are low. what do you think it should be able to hit that it cannot. A fair comparison would seem to be with the Raven Navy Issue, Golem - possibly the Typhoon Fleet Issue? Missiles can hit anything, that's not the issue. But applying more than 50% of rated DPS without implants, full rigors and a pair of target painters is going to be a challenge.
fitting a couple of tracking enhancing modules on your ship and having a couple of TPs somewhere in your gang is not asking much. not that you need that much to hit a battleship or bc. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3665
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:30:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:fitting a couple of tracking enhancing modules on your ship and having a couple of TPs somewhere in your gang is not asking much. not that you need that much to hit a battleship or bc. If the crutch of your argument is that the Barghest is fine with all sorts of gang links and external EW, then you can stop right there because the same could be said of any ship. We're obviously looking at the ship on its own, whether in a PvE or PvP environment. This should have been fairly obvious at this stage of the discussion... And missiles don't have 'tracking enhancers'. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
711
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:33:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:fitting a couple of tracking enhancing modules on your ship and having a couple of TPs somewhere in your gang is not asking much. not that you need that much to hit a battleship or bc. If the crutch of your argument is that the Barghest is fine with all sorts of gang links and external EW, then you can stop right there because the same could be said of any ship. We're obviously looking at the ship on its own, whether in a PvE or PvP environment. This should have been fairly obvious at this stage of the discussion... And missiles don't have 'tracking enhancers'.
I'm going to call it tracking rather than whatever it actually is, because there isn't a word. and 'all sorts of gang links and external EW' sounds like an exaggeration. you need I think standard crash and a TP to hit battleships for full damage. if not, it's that plus a rigor. what is unreasonable about that, when the TP benefits the entire gang and is something you should have anyway? |
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3665
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:37:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:I'm going to call it tracking rather than whatever it actually is, because there isn't a word. and 'all sorts of gang links and external EW' sounds like an exaggeration. you need I think standard crash and a TP to hit battleships for full damage. if not, it's that plus a rigor. what is unreasonable about that, when the TP benefits the entire gang and is something you should have anyway? There's no word for it because it doesn't exist. You're obviously just trolling - welcome back to my block list. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2152
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:37:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:fitting a couple of tracking enhancing modules on your ship and having a couple of TPs somewhere in your gang is not asking much. not that you need that much to hit a battleship or bc. If the crutch of your argument is that the Barghest is fine with all sorts of gang links and external EW, then you can stop right there because the same could be said of any ship. We're obviously looking at the ship on its own, whether in a PvE or PvP environment. This should have been fairly obvious at this stage of the discussion... And missiles don't have 'tracking enhancers'.
(Edit: Missed your last post, didn't realize i was talking to a moppet, you can disregard what follows) Its a battleship, they are most often not used on their own..
You can use them like that.. sure.. But its not very common.. So i think its quite reasonable to look at its abilities in a gang.
(Also how it does in PVE is absolutely irrelevant) BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
711
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:38:00 -
[1193] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:I'm going to call it tracking rather than whatever it actually is, because there isn't a word. and 'all sorts of gang links and external EW' sounds like an exaggeration. you need I think standard crash and a TP to hit battleships for full damage. if not, it's that plus a rigor. what is unreasonable about that, when the TP benefits the entire gang and is something you should have anyway? There's no word for it because it doesn't exist. You're obviously just trolling - welcome back to my block list.
what did I do |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:41:00 -
[1194] - Quote
TrouserDeagle wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:fitting a couple of tracking enhancing modules on your ship and having a couple of TPs somewhere in your gang is not asking much. not that you need that much to hit a battleship or bc. If the crutch of your argument is that the Barghest is fine with all sorts of gang links and external EW, then you can stop right there because the same could be said of any ship. We're obviously looking at the ship on its own, whether in a PvE or PvP environment. This should have been fairly obvious at this stage of the discussion... And missiles don't have 'tracking enhancers'. I'm going to call it tracking rather than whatever it actually is, because there isn't a word. and 'all sorts of gang links and external EW' sounds like an exaggeration. you need I think standard crash and a TP to hit battleships for full damage. if not, it's that plus a rigor. what is unreasonable about that, when the TP benefits the entire gang and is something you should have anyway? The issue is, you don't need those on other ships.. and for sure don't need them on Pirate ships. Even without the webs, my Vindi can Full/Almost full damage to a BS, without any tracking mod's.. This can't.. CNR and Typhoon can, as they have the bonus.
And needing drugs? Really? If you need to carry around drugs to make your ship able to do it's job, it's time to take a look at the ship. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
711
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:49:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:fitting a couple of tracking enhancing modules on your ship and having a couple of TPs somewhere in your gang is not asking much. not that you need that much to hit a battleship or bc. If the crutch of your argument is that the Barghest is fine with all sorts of gang links and external EW, then you can stop right there because the same could be said of any ship. We're obviously looking at the ship on its own, whether in a PvE or PvP environment. This should have been fairly obvious at this stage of the discussion... And missiles don't have 'tracking enhancers'. I'm going to call it tracking rather than whatever it actually is, because there isn't a word. and 'all sorts of gang links and external EW' sounds like an exaggeration. you need I think standard crash and a TP to hit battleships for full damage. if not, it's that plus a rigor. what is unreasonable about that, when the TP benefits the entire gang and is something you should have anyway? The issue is, you don't need those on other ships.. and for sure don't need them on Pirate ships. Even without the webs, my Vindi can Full/Almost full damage to a BS, without any tracking mod's.. This can't.. CNR and Typhoon can, as they have the bonus. And needing drugs? Really? If you need to carry around drugs to make your ship able to do it's job, it's time to take a look at the ship.
I'm surprised that the bonus on the RNI/typhoon is all that apparently makes this bad in your opinion, because that's pretty much just a TP or half a web. I had expected you to go on about how missiles are terminally broken or something. for bonuses that can be replicated with modules, that's pretty weak.
so apparently blasters with a tracking bonus have good tracking. why would you ever not use drugs in your pirate faction battleship? it's about 3 mil per hour for standard crash. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3665
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:49:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:The issue is, you don't need those on other ships.. and for sure don't need them on Pirate ships. Even without the webs, my Vindi can Full/Almost full damage to a BS, without any tracking mod's.. This can't.. CNR and Typhoon can, as they have the bonus. They're just trolling in an effort to keep the Barghest neutered. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2152
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:51:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:fitting a couple of tracking enhancing modules on your ship and having a couple of TPs somewhere in your gang is not asking much. not that you need that much to hit a battleship or bc. If the crutch of your argument is that the Barghest is fine with all sorts of gang links and external EW, then you can stop right there because the same could be said of any ship. We're obviously looking at the ship on its own, whether in a PvE or PvP environment. This should have been fairly obvious at this stage of the discussion... And missiles don't have 'tracking enhancers'. I'm going to call it tracking rather than whatever it actually is, because there isn't a word. and 'all sorts of gang links and external EW' sounds like an exaggeration. you need I think standard crash and a TP to hit battleships for full damage. if not, it's that plus a rigor. what is unreasonable about that, when the TP benefits the entire gang and is something you should have anyway? The issue is, you don't need those on other ships.. and for sure don't need them on Pirate ships. Even without the webs, my Vindi can Full/Almost full damage to a BS, without any tracking mod's.. This can't.. CNR and Typhoon can, as they have the bonus. And needing drugs? Really? If you need to carry around drugs to make your ship able to do it's job, it's time to take a look at the ship.
Ok using the Vindi as a comparison for application is moronic..
And i just checked the numbers and a Barghest does 65% dps against a unwebbed un tp'ed harbi without any sort of help.. One Tp brings that up to 80%.. On a weaponsystem that fires up to 220km.. So is the problem that you can't hit cruisers well with your battleship?
This arguement is dumb.
(EDIT: Also you should always use crash in a missile ship.. Always...) (EDIT2: I just saw your wonderful Raven navy loss.. You clearly have a good idea about what should and should not be done with missile battleships, i'm stepping out of this arguement.. rofl) BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
250
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:55:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:fitting a couple of tracking enhancing modules on your ship and having a couple of TPs somewhere in your gang is not asking much. not that you need that much to hit a battleship or bc. If the crutch of your argument is that the Barghest is fine with all sorts of gang links and external EW, then you can stop right there because the same could be said of any ship. We're obviously looking at the ship on its own, whether in a PvE or PvP environment. This should have been fairly obvious at this stage of the discussion... And missiles don't have 'tracking enhancers'. (Edit: Missed your last post, didn't realize i was talking to a moppet, you can disregard what follows) Its a battleship, they are most often not used on their own.. You can use them like that.. sure.. But its not very common.. So i think its quite reasonable to look at its abilities in a gang. (Also how it does in PVE is absolutely irrelevant) It is best to ignore that guy. He has no clue about how to use ships in pvp, and blocks everyone that tries to talk some sense into the moronic ideas he constantly spews. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3665
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:56:00 -
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I see by all the hidden posts that the TROLLS are out in force. Shoe troll, shoe... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2153
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:59:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:fitting a couple of tracking enhancing modules on your ship and having a couple of TPs somewhere in your gang is not asking much. not that you need that much to hit a battleship or bc. If the crutch of your argument is that the Barghest is fine with all sorts of gang links and external EW, then you can stop right there because the same could be said of any ship. We're obviously looking at the ship on its own, whether in a PvE or PvP environment. This should have been fairly obvious at this stage of the discussion... And missiles don't have 'tracking enhancers'. (Edit: Missed your last post, didn't realize i was talking to a moppet, you can disregard what follows) Its a battleship, they are most often not used on their own.. You can use them like that.. sure.. But its not very common.. So i think its quite reasonable to look at its abilities in a gang. (Also how it does in PVE is absolutely irrelevant) It is best to ignore that guy. He has no clue about how to use ships in pvp, and blocks everyone that tries to talk some sense into the moronic ideas he constantly spews.
Have you seen the raven? Were aren't allowed to show killmail links but seriously.. Look it up.. Its ******* magnificent. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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