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Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3708
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Posted - 2014.06.14 00:30:00 -
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It's an "Off" setting - not reinvention of the wheel. Why do you have to continually be so obtuse CCP Rise? I mean, good grief - just implement it already. Admit that this was an oversight, suck it up, apologize - and then fix it. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7031
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Posted - 2014.06.14 00:49:00 -
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Zappity wrote:CCP Rise wrote:The general settings tab in the ESC menu has sliders for the delay on tooltips. It has a pretty wide setting range so if you just make the delay really long it's basically off. That also increases the delay on important things like overheat stats when you mouse over modules. That's the sort of information I want, not a tooltip telling me that the "Asakai safe" bookmark is the Asakai safe bookmark. Customization as per audio settings would be great.
+1. Having to deprive myself of the useful information for the sake of not being flooded with the useless, pointless, worthless information is not a good thing. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Ohhhh Feely Nice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2014.06.14 04:02:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Zappity wrote:CCP Rise wrote:The general settings tab in the ESC menu has sliders for the delay on tooltips. It has a pretty wide setting range so if you just make the delay really long it's basically off. That also increases the delay on important things like overheat stats when you mouse over modules. That's the sort of information I want, not a tooltip telling me that the "Asakai safe" bookmark is the Asakai safe bookmark. Customization as per audio settings would be great. +1. Having to deprive myself of the useful information for the sake of not being flooded with the useless, pointless, worthless information is not a good thing. This.
We need customization. Deep, deep customization.
Please CCP. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1457
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Posted - 2014.06.14 07:56:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:The general settings tab in the ESC menu has sliders for the delay on tooltips. It has a pretty wide setting range so if you just make the delay really long it's basically off.
I've got neighbours I can't stand. I can delay how long it is between seeing them, but it's not the same as not ever seeing them again.
In other words having a long delay is not the same as not seeing them at all. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Gaijin Lanis
Surely You're Joking
73
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Posted - 2014.06.14 11:54:00 -
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Can you bring back the bug that made it possible to disable all tooltips by zooming in and out on the map really fast? That got patched before I could make use of it. The above was written and posted with nothing but love in my heart for all. |
Mythic Man
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.06.15 06:18:00 -
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OP wholeheartedly supported.
These popups are a nuisance. Both ingame and on the forums. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1462
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:24:00 -
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I wouldn't mind if they offered useful information on top what already is known, but they don't do this.
e.g. I don't need a pop up telling me that my shields, hull and armour are at 100% when I've already set the hud to display this for in anycase. As others have said it's redundant information. I also don't need to know 'visit the regional market to buy and sell assets' when i've clicked the button enough times to know that its the button for the market.
It would be useful for noobs, so I propose that tooltips switch off after say a month's gametime as most people will be familiar with the user interface by then or swtch off after a set number of appearances based on how often an element is used, with the option to reset or re-enanable tool tips in the 'escape' options panel.
What would be useful but currently isn't enables is tooltips in local, when I move the mouse over a name in my condensed local window it would be nice to see things like the player's corporation or a thumbnail of their image etc as this would provide useful information as you can tell a lot about a character by looking at it's picture. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Marius Rousseau
Ozark Cartel
6
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:29:00 -
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Tooltips killed my ship today.
I've bug reported it, but I'm putting it here for discussion. The interface froze when I was hitting a complex in null with some friends and nothing would respond. I had my mouse over the icon to an asteroid belt to warp to as an escape but the tooltip didn't render and my interface crashed. I couldn't activate any modules but the right click menu would will still work, but not quick enough it seems. I havent changed any of the default settings for tooltip delay or anything like that. they are as per the default install.
The other time this happened I was mining in lowsec when some guys came through looking for an easy kill, I was lucky with that one. I logged out and restarted the client and thankfully my ship was still there so I was able to safe spot otherwise tooltips would have killed my twice lol.
Anyhow it's not a big loss, but has this happened to anyone else?
Edit: I've also noticed some other user elements rendering poorly or slowly, such as logging in and seeing my ship rapidly zoom in and out in the hanger view multiple times per second for like 2 seconds. |
Xaldafax Caerleon
Veritas Theory Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:01:00 -
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I think everyone here could ultimately agree that we feel this feature makes perfect sense especially for those that are new to the game. We all want new players so we applaud CCP trying to make things easier.
BUT, this was done to a bit of an extreme to create tooltip spam without any functionality to customize or limit specifically tooltips.
This clearly just needs to be fixed. You are no longer just helping the new players but massively pissing off all old characters...
Hear us, though, CUSTOMIZATION would be nice not just a "tool tip off/on" switch. |
Gaijin Lanis
Surely You're Joking
104
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:33:00 -
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Xaldafax Caerleon wrote:I think everyone here could ultimately agree that we feel this feature makes perfect sense especially for those that are new to the game.
I have to disagree with this. What new player doesn't know the standard "x" at the top right corner of every window in every OS and every game with windows closes said window? This may seem like a minor point, but the implication someone who works for CCP thought it would be possible for someone to play EVE before ever using any sort of modern electronic device should frighten you. The above was written and posted with nothing but love in my heart for all. |
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O2 jayjay
Tres Corvi INC. Mordus Angels
12
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Posted - 2014.06.19 03:41:00 -
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Is there an off button yet? I'm really getting annoyed when I try to drag something and that stupid window comes up. |
Thorr VonAsgard
Never Surrender.
13
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:01:00 -
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Yeah, please let us the choice to remove them.
It's cool as it's cute but not usefull at all. It's obscuring 80% of the important informations on screen, cause some bugs and impossibility to select of see correctly things. And sometimes it's just useless ( like saying that the stargate is a stargate ... )
The "delay" option is not the way I want to disable them, cause it's also hide usefull informations... |
Rectile
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:34:00 -
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Can we have more tooltips for the overview thanks |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5489
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:36:00 -
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I also support removal for these hateful things "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
4276
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:01:00 -
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Zappity wrote:CCP Rise wrote:The general settings tab in the ESC menu has sliders for the delay on tooltips. It has a pretty wide setting range so if you just make the delay really long it's basically off. That also increases the delay on important things like overheat stats when you mouse over modules. That's the sort of information I want, not a tooltip telling me that the "Asakai safe" bookmark is the Asakai safe bookmark. Customization as per audio settings would be great.
The difficult thing is that the information you want is going to be fairly specific to you and having deep enough customization to allow for each player to effectively meet their own needs leads to a hard to build/maintain/use settings system that we would rather avoid.
We are still working to find the best balance though and it's likely we will make more changes to the customization before long.
@ccp_rise |
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Thorr VonAsgard
Never Surrender.
14
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:08:00 -
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At least, thank you for trying. |
Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:45:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Zappity wrote:CCP Rise wrote:The general settings tab in the ESC menu has sliders for the delay on tooltips. It has a pretty wide setting range so if you just make the delay really long it's basically off. That also increases the delay on important things like overheat stats when you mouse over modules. That's the sort of information I want, not a tooltip telling me that the "Asakai safe" bookmark is the Asakai safe bookmark. Customization as per audio settings would be great. The difficult thing is that the information you want is going to be fairly specific to you and having deep enough customization to allow for each player to effectively meet their own needs leads to a hard to build/maintain/use settings system that we would rather avoid. We are still working to find the best balance though and it's likely we will make more changes to the customization before long. That's a fine position to take. As such please consider the notion of allowing us to rollback the feature. If there is anyway to include that old code as an option, please do. New Fitting Window | Exact Distances Above 10km | Remove all inactive contacts |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
187
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:11:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Zappity wrote:CCP Rise wrote:The general settings tab in the ESC menu has sliders for the delay on tooltips. It has a pretty wide setting range so if you just make the delay really long it's basically off. That also increases the delay on important things like overheat stats when you mouse over modules. That's the sort of information I want, not a tooltip telling me that the "Asakai safe" bookmark is the Asakai safe bookmark. Customization as per audio settings would be great. The difficult thing is that the information you want is going to be fairly specific to you and having deep enough customization to allow for each player to effectively meet their own needs leads to a hard to build/maintain/use settings system that we would rather avoid. We are still working to find the best balance though and it's likely we will make more changes to the customization before long.
As someone who likes the new feature and doesn't want it to be "rolled back" is there a possibility I can pay for the whiners to be banned permanently from Eve? I would gladly pay for every banned account forever to replace the lost revenue. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
4446
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:52:00 -
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Off topic posts were removed. Please stay polite and constructive even on controversial topics, thank you! CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager |
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AutumnWind1983
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
99
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:22:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Zappity wrote:CCP Rise wrote:The general settings tab in the ESC menu has sliders for the delay on tooltips. It has a pretty wide setting range so if you just make the delay really long it's basically off. That also increases the delay on important things like overheat stats when you mouse over modules. That's the sort of information I want, not a tooltip telling me that the "Asakai safe" bookmark is the Asakai safe bookmark. Customization as per audio settings would be great. The difficult thing is that the information you want is going to be fairly specific to you and having deep enough customization to allow for each player to effectively meet their own needs leads to a hard to build/maintain/use settings system that we would rather avoid. We are still working to find the best balance though and it's likely we will make more changes to the customization before long.
The expansions of tool tips seems to be to replace to the NPE and google. This could let you put tool tips in one of two broad bins, ones designed for NPE (e.g. book mark names) and ones presenting information that you cannot get anywhere else (heat levels). Giving us the option to turn off the NPE ones is a sorely needed quality of life improvement. A single slider just does not cut it but two large bins shouldn't create too much work for maintenance going forward. James Arget for CSM 8! http://csm.fcftw.org |
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Dealth Striker
Striker Ltd
34
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Posted - 2014.06.20 22:13:00 -
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AutumnWind1983 wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Zappity wrote:CCP Rise wrote:The general settings tab in the ESC menu has sliders for the delay on tooltips. It has a pretty wide setting range so if you just make the delay really long it's basically off. That also increases the delay on important things like overheat stats when you mouse over modules. That's the sort of information I want, not a tooltip telling me that the "Asakai safe" bookmark is the Asakai safe bookmark. Customization as per audio settings would be great. The difficult thing is that the information you want is going to be fairly specific to you and having deep enough customization to allow for each player to effectively meet their own needs leads to a hard to build/maintain/use settings system that we would rather avoid. We are still working to find the best balance though and it's likely we will make more changes to the customization before long. The expansions of tool tips seems to be to replace to the NPE and google. This could let you put tool tips in one of two broad bins, ones designed for NPE (e.g. book mark names) and ones presenting information that you cannot get anywhere else (heat levels). Giving us the option to turn off the NPE ones is a sorely needed quality of life improvement. A single slider just does not cut it but two large bins shouldn't create too much work for maintenance going forward.
Not only did this save me typing, it is also better written than anything I would of come up with.
Striker Out!! |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1469
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Posted - 2014.06.20 22:48:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Zappity wrote:CCP Rise wrote:The general settings tab in the ESC menu has sliders for the delay on tooltips. It has a pretty wide setting range so if you just make the delay really long it's basically off. That also increases the delay on important things like overheat stats when you mouse over modules. That's the sort of information I want, not a tooltip telling me that the "Asakai safe" bookmark is the Asakai safe bookmark. Customization as per audio settings would be great. The difficult thing is that the information you want is going to be fairly specific to you and having deep enough customization to allow for each player to effectively meet their own needs leads to a hard to build/maintain/use settings system that we would rather avoid. We are still working to find the best balance though and it's likely we will make more changes to the customization before long.
Rather than make anything complicated can we just have an option to switch off tool tips as a simple check box in the escape menu. Or even an option to switch of tool tips in different screen areas such as background space, the overview or the left hand overview menubar etc.
Thank you for listening though. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3718
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Posted - 2014.06.21 04:23:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Thank you for listening though. You'll soon find it's nothing more than lip service. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Mag's
the united
17537
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Posted - 2014.06.21 09:18:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Thank you for listening though. You'll soon find it's nothing more than lip service. Indeed.
Or to put it another way, selective hearing.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole
325
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Posted - 2014.06.21 12:03:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Zappity wrote:CCP Rise wrote:The general settings tab in the ESC menu has sliders for the delay on tooltips. It has a pretty wide setting range so if you just make the delay really long it's basically off. That also increases the delay on important things like overheat stats when you mouse over modules. That's the sort of information I want, not a tooltip telling me that the "Asakai safe" bookmark is the Asakai safe bookmark. Customization as per audio settings would be great. The difficult thing is that the information you want is going to be fairly specific to you and having deep enough customization to allow for each player to effectively meet their own needs leads to a hard to build/maintain/use settings system that we would rather avoid. We are still working to find the best balance though and it's likely we will make more changes to the customization before long. Rather than make anything complicated can we just have an option to switch off tool tips as a simple check box in the escape menu. Or even an option to switch of tool tips in different screen areas such as background space, the overview or the left hand overview menubar etc. Thank you for listening though.
I dunno, I'm pretty sure the pop ups that tell us the range of our weapons, damage, prop mod effects, ewar range, etc runs off the same system. turn all of that off would probably be bad. Plus the wallet pop up is nice. Turning all of them off would probably not be the best of ideas. It would probably be better to have an option to turn off anything that doesn't provide a shortcut to information such as what I listed as an example. But yeah, I can agree having a pop up telling me the star is a star and the stargate is a stargate is a little redundant and remedial. Schrodinger's Hot Dropper |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
1280
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:09:00 -
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As posted in the CSM 9 Town Hall thread:
TL;DR:
Give different delays for:
Neocom Overview\Objects in Space Capacitor UI inc. Overheat Status, Module Bonus\Stats in hover-over, etc.
Maximus Aerelius wrote: Q: Is this being looked into at all\discussed with the CSM-CCP: Tooltips going to be separated out so that the Neocom Tooltips have a separate delay to say Capacitor\Overheat and again separate to the Overview Tooltips?
Q: Is it being discussed internally within the CSM about not implementing things without a "tone down\turn off" option? I like the Tooltips but I either have to have them in my face with short delay on everything to see my wallet amount without waiting 30 seconds or all at 30 seconds delay which affects how quickly I can see my Cap amount, OH stats etc. I don't want to turn them off but the option would be nice for those that do. More often than not CCP try to force us to use things before giving us the option to "tone down" or turn it off. CQ for instance, Tooltips is another one.
There are three category's there where it could be divided with space on the ESC Menu to utilise and not need more real estate. How easy it would be from a Dev POV I do not know but something needs to be done as currently it's an all or nothing i.e. Short or Long depending on what I'm doing.
Adding it to the UI and then thinking "Maybe we should've given options" is what we've come to expect with some things but not something so crucial to so many for so many different things.
I for one love Tooltips but for for the love of the 1 Republic, 1 Federation, 1 State and 2 Empires give us options and not just an "in-your-face-have-it-and-use-it" sort of thing. Please listen to those that play the game and that are trying to give positive feedback.
Thanks for your time and I hope thee are some iterations\improvements on this shortly. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
4290
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:25:00 -
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Quote:The expansions of tool tips seems to be to replace to the NPE and google. This could let you put tool tips in one of two broad bins, ones designed for NPE (e.g. book mark names) and ones presenting information that you cannot get anywhere else (heat levels). Giving us the option to turn off the NPE ones is a sorely needed quality of life improvement. A single slider just does not cut it but two large bins shouldn't create too much work for maintenance going forward.
This is basically what we are looking into now. Originally what we wanted to avoid was trying to have customization grouped by feature, which seemed to be the natural assumption about how customization would work. We are now finding that if we can group them as you say, based on whether they contain important/dynamic gameplay info versus new player-focused explanations we may be able to make things feel a lot better for most folks.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
1280
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:28:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:The difficult thing is that the information you want is going to be fairly specific to you and having deep enough customization to allow for each player to effectively meet their own needs leads to a hard to build/maintain/use settings system that we would rather avoid.
We are still working to find the best balance though and it's likely we will make more changes to the customization SoonGäó.
Fixed that for you.
EDIT:
Sooner-than-I-thought-perhapsGäó Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
1280
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:35:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Quote:The expansions of tool tips seems to be to replace to the NPE and google. This could let you put tool tips in one of two broad bins, ones designed for NPE (e.g. book mark names) and ones presenting information that you cannot get anywhere else (heat levels). Giving us the option to turn off the NPE ones is a sorely needed quality of life improvement. A single slider just does not cut it but two large bins shouldn't create too much work for maintenance going forward. This is basically what we are looking into now. Originally what we wanted to avoid was trying to have customization grouped by feature, which seemed to be the natural assumption about how customization would work. We are now finding that if we can group them as you say, based on whether they contain important/dynamic gameplay info versus new player-focused explanations we may be able to make things feel a lot better for most folks.
I think it was a bit naive to think that in a game as complex and deep as EVE you thought you wouldn't need "customization groups". The emergent gameplay for things you develop and deliver to us that you never thought we'd do (Living in wormholes for instance) shows that we think outside of the box and we need the right tools\information at that moment to base our decisions on. Having to switch Long - Short delay because I'm going PvPing instead of Trading today isn't good for anyone and only breeds frustration hence why I think a lot of threads were opened on this from day one.
I really do hope it's being seriously considered and not SoonGäó as per my playful jibe . I don't think we're asking for the world (well most of us aren't) when we want the tooltips, we love\like them, for different things in different situations. We need some customisation on those delays for he different parts. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1183
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:05:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Quote:The expansions of tool tips seems to be to replace to the NPE and google. This could let you put tool tips in one of two broad bins, ones designed for NPE (e.g. book mark names) and ones presenting information that you cannot get anywhere else (heat levels). Giving us the option to turn off the NPE ones is a sorely needed quality of life improvement. A single slider just does not cut it but two large bins shouldn't create too much work for maintenance going forward. This is basically what we are looking into now. Originally what we wanted to avoid was trying to have customization grouped by feature, which seemed to be the natural assumption about how customization would work. We are now finding that if we can group them as you say, based on whether they contain important/dynamic gameplay info versus new player-focused explanations we may be able to make things feel a lot better for most folks. Very good. Being able to remove "Explanatory" tips while leaving "Dynamic" tips on would work for me. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
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