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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1179
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Posted - 2014.05.20 21:17:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:afkalt wrote:I think I'd rather than one poster per account - it'd be very interesting if the forums just showed the login name and no character information Edit: Easier to track for ISD as well. Like this too. It'd allow the anonymity some players want, allow the rest to attach their affiliation. That seems somewhat insecure to me, considering the only thing the login name is used for currently is providing account access.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2014.05.20 21:20:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:afkalt wrote:I think I'd rather than one poster per account - it'd be very interesting if the forums just showed the login name and no character information Edit: Easier to track for ISD as well. Like this too. It'd allow the anonymity some players want, allow the rest to attach their affiliation. That seems somewhat insecure to me, considering the only thing the login name is used for currently is providing account access.
Well, consider the "this username is unavailable" message you get like...everywhere and it'll seem like less of a risk.
I did consider suggesting a forum alias but tbh, that's just extra hassle. |
Ray Kyonhe
Ray's Relentless Research Special Circumstances Alliance
17
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Posted - 2014.05.20 21:24:00 -
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afkalt wrote:[quote=Tyberius Franklin] I did consider suggesting a forum alias but tbh, that's just extra hassle. I don't think so. At least, to the moment it's most sane one proposal from those conveyed in this thread. This I can support. To specify or not some the name of some charater residing on this account should be left to the discretion of each forum member. It could be displayed to the left, under the userpic, as it is now.
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Marsha Mallow
644
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Posted - 2014.05.20 21:32:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:The report function is a tool that can be used by the individual poster that allows a degree of self-policing. As a member of ISD/CCL I am fully in favor of individuals using the report function when they feel another poster has broken the rules.
However, there are also those who attempt to use the report function for their own gain. There are times that the report breaks more rules than the reported post.
What would be your thoughts on the addition of a forum rule that prohibited the misuse of the reporting function and allowed for sanctions, of some type, against the reporter?
I have deliberately left the question vague, since the definition of the term "misuse" and related issues would have to be defined, along with other issues. I ask simply concerning the concept of such a rule.
To respond to this, apologies if it's causing pointless workload. LoF recommended reporting people earlier on (and more detailed reports for repeat offenders), and yes it is tricky to do without being biased. If people are genuinely abusing the report function they should be reprimanded, or informed the reports are unhelpful.
Having said that some people are already engaged in a sustained reportage campaign. Not sure I agree they are entirely helpful - and I'm not sure how to be myself - particularly as it appears to be a function which can be weaponised as per comments in the last couple of days from a few. I do expect the mods to be able to spot the difference between certain types of reports.
Really not sure where to go from here, re these really obvious trolls. If I report them as requested to try to alert people, like anything else, I'd expect to recieve a warning if I abuse the system for gain. If you want to promote a forum where people can chat, moderate us where needed, reward us for constructive participation, and punish the obvious offenders you need a degree of participation. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5238
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Posted - 2014.05.20 21:53:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:If this type of censorship were to happen, I will personally open up a corp to allow those you would silence a place to go and have their voice heard.
Nice try little goon, but I suggest you head back to SA.com if you want this kind of heavy censorship. This right here is a good example of why my suggestion is great, this guy said something unpalatable so I have the option of doing something about it, enacting a consequence. Whether its using one of my alts to disband his alliance, awox him, gank him the next time I see him, etc. He isn't trolling behind a faceless NPC alt. You literally just demonstrated why you idea is a terrible one. Oh and very post that does follow the same opinion as yours does not automatically mean it is trolling. Yet another reason why you have no clue on 'good' posting. The Paradox |
Marsha Mallow
645
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:01:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:silly grrrrrr aaaaaaohhhghod it hurts Now that's done, answer me.
I'm irrelevant.
Can you? TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
389
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:54:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:ISD Tyrozan wrote:The report function is a tool that can be used by the individual poster that allows a degree of self-policing. As a member of ISD/CCL I am fully in favor of individuals using the report function when they feel another poster has broken the rules.
However, there are also those who attempt to use the report function for their own gain. There are times that the report breaks more rules than the reported post.
What would be your thoughts on the addition of a forum rule that prohibited the misuse of the reporting function and allowed for sanctions, of some type, against the reporter?
I have deliberately left the question vague, since the definition of the term "misuse" and related issues would have to be defined, along with other issues. I ask simply concerning the concept of such a rule.
To respond to this, apologies if it's causing pointless workload. LoF recommended reporting people earlier on (and more detailed reports for repeat offenders), and yes it is tricky to do without being biased. If people are genuinely abusing the report function they should be reprimanded, or informed the reports are unhelpful. Having said that some people are already engaged in a sustained reportage campaign. Not sure I agree they are entirely helpful - and I'm not sure how to be myself - particularly as it appears to be a function which can be weaponised as per comments in the last couple of days from a few. I do expect the mods to be able to spot the difference between certain types of reports. Really not sure where to go from here, re these really obvious trolls. If I report them as requested to try to alert people, like anything else, I'd expect to receive a warning if I abuse the system for gain. If you want to promote a forum where people can chat, moderate us where needed, reward us for constructive participation, and punish the obvious offenders you need a degree of participation.
By no means am I suggesting that anyone stop using the report function when they see a problem. Reports of that type are actually an assistance and the number of valid reports is a good indication of where problems are occurring.
I don't intend to cause an avalanche of reports, but please use it whenever you see a post that you, meaning the entire player population, find violates a forum rule. You shouldn't feel like you are performing something wrong, that is why the report button is there.
And I must admit that I, personally, want to compliment the majority of the posters in this thread who have stayed calm and constructive while discussing an emotional topic. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1503
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Posted - 2014.05.21 03:20:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:And I must admit that I, personally, want to compliment the majority of the posters in this thread who have stayed calm and constructive while discussing an emotional topic. +1 here.
If you think a post breaches forum rules, report it. Don't worry about reporting too much. So long as they're all good reports, there's never "too much". There is such a thing as "too many false reports", in which case you'd be notified, but so long as you haven't been notified, you're fine.
ISD LackOfFaith Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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Marsha Mallow
651
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Posted - 2014.05.21 14:17:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:ISD Tyrozan wrote:And I must admit that I, personally, want to compliment the majority of the posters in this thread who have stayed calm and constructive while discussing an emotional topic. +1 here. If you think a post breaches forum rules, report it. Don't worry about reporting too much. So long as they're all good reports, there's never "too much". There is such a thing as "too many false reports", in which case you'd be notified, but so long as you haven't been notified, you're fine. Good to know, and thanks for the clarification. I guess the more neutral thing to do when reporting is not to inform the other person. Even though it seems fairer to give them a chance if they don't realise they're crossing a few lines, the ones I've seen seem well aware.
All credit to the community team anyway, not just for their responses in here. There's a pretty positive attitude coming through here towards the moderation team if the majority are happy to see their powers increased. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2014.05.21 16:16:00 -
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So . . . nerf free speech IN-GAME or OUT-OF-GAME? The forums aren't exactly in the game, but if you want to consider them as such, then you should also consider a nerf to NPC corp members ability to communicate in other ways in game. Like, maybe they should be gagged in local and even their own "corp" channel, too, and perhaps disallowed from interacting with peoples' spaceships in space. |
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Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Drunk 'n' Disorderly
180
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Posted - 2014.05.21 16:30:00 -
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I agree with the sentiment but not the methodology.
Rather than have membership of a PC be the allowing factor I propose to post on the forums you must take an IQ test.
I'd rather see Idiots banished than newbies.
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RoAnnon
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
313
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Posted - 2014.05.21 18:15:00 -
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Beyond the current restrictions to posting in CAOD or the Character Bazaar, my thought is if a character is allowed to speak in Local chat, they should be allowed to post in the forums. Banning all members of NPC corps only punishes an entire group for the perceived infractions of a portion of that group, infractions that can be handled on the forum itself on a case by case basis.
It also comes across as a stealth "force others to play EVE the way I do" thread, by piling on additional disadvantages to being in an NPC corp, thus attempting to get characters to move into Player Corps.
-1 to this idea. So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2450
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Posted - 2014.05.24 00:39:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote: You literally just demonstrated why you idea is a terrible one. Oh and every post that does follow the same opinion as yours does not automatically mean it is trolling. Yet another reason why you have no clue on 'good' posting.
How? I wasn't suggesting that you were trolling either. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2450
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Posted - 2014.05.24 00:48:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Lets keep in mind that what is currently restricted is only CAOD. That subforum being what it is provides very little incentive for the uninvolved to actively seek participation. Add the rest of the forum in which actual discussion takes place and you create a much greater incentive and as such increase the probability of individuals being willing to put forth the effort.
I think though, that one fundamental difference in our points of view is that I don't believe, as a customer, it should fall to me to go through hoops in the product I am paying for just to be able to use the public feedback and discussion tools. If I am following the rules of both the game and the forums moderation of either should not be an obstacle to me. CCP is of course free to feel otherwise, but their customers are free to evaluate the value of the service CCP provides differently should they decide to change their current posting requirements.
Lastly we differ in the idea that the value of legitimate posters can be considered equal with the negative value of a similar number of trolls. I think the forum benefits from diverse experiences and anonymity as much as "posting with ones main." This move works to stifle the diversity of play styles able to represent themselves, and while some don't see the value in supporting those players that's all the more reason for them to have their own voice.
Really though, the reason trolls have the capacity they do is that otherwise good posters give it to them. I can't count the number of topics that have been rendered useless when posters lose all sense of productivity to chase something technically incorrect (man is this pot and kettle coming from me) or try to put a troll in their place. Forum participant behavior as a whole, even those who aren't career trolls, is the cause for the degradation of conversation. Combine that with empowered moderation and these issues resolve themselves.
The customer view can go both ways for example I don't believe, as a customer, that my threads should be continuously derailed by the same NPC alts. Keep in mind that this wouldn't prevent anyone from reading the forums it only affects posting. I still feel that the change will do more harm than good and while it will be a shame that some good mains get caught the :effort: wall isn't a herculean effort so if posting is important to them they will get past it. We're probably going to have to agree to disagree on that point. Adding the :effort: wall will still improve the quality of the forums because it will outright remove one of the biggest sources of trolling the npc alts.
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Walter Hart White
Heisenberg Minings
34
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Posted - 2014.05.24 02:02:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:If this type of censorship were to happen, I will personally open up a corp to allow those you would silence a place to go and have their voice heard.
Nice try little goon, but I suggest you head back to SA.com if you want this kind of heavy censorship. This right here is a good example of why my suggestion is great, this guy said something unpalatable so I have the option of doing something about it, enacting a consequence. Whether its using one of my alts to disband his alliance, awox him, gank him the next time I see him, etc. He isn't trolling behind a faceless NPC alt. You would be able to do exactly NOTHING. Nada. Nic. Nanimo. Null. It would be a corporation where CEO would not undock and not give anyone any power. It would be corporation without any member undocking from their base station. What would you do? War dec them? Please, do it. Please wardec my corporation. Every week. At least 5 times. Please, I beg you do it. I will laugh so hard I will fall from my chair. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5258
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Posted - 2014.05.24 03:57:00 -
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Walter Hart White wrote:La Nariz wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:If this type of censorship were to happen, I will personally open up a corp to allow those you would silence a place to go and have their voice heard.
Nice try little goon, but I suggest you head back to SA.com if you want this kind of heavy censorship. This right here is a good example of why my suggestion is great, this guy said something unpalatable so I have the option of doing something about it, enacting a consequence. Whether its using one of my alts to disband his alliance, awox him, gank him the next time I see him, etc. He isn't trolling behind a faceless NPC alt. You would be able to do exactly NOTHING. Nada. Nic. Nanimo. Null. It would be a corporation where CEO would not undock and not give anyone any power. It would be corporation without any member undocking from their base station. What would you do? War dec them? Please, do it. Please wardec my corporation. Every week. At least 5 times. Please, I beg you do it. I will laugh so hard I will fall from my chair. That's the thing. He is wanting it setup so if anyone disagrees with him or the current narrative of his overloards; they lash out at the person in the game to silence them. This could be via war decs, station camping and even suicide ganking. Anything to silence the opposition - especially high sec players.
Sadly him along with others seem to think how they play the game is the only way it should be. Gone is the sandbox and they would imprison you into shackles of 'play this way or leave the game.'
I suggest, like CCP, the CSM and even ISD to simply use the already existing report feature in the forums. If you feel someone is breaking the forum rules, report them. Easy. No need for this childish over the top yoke some groups would have the rest of the players wear. The Paradox |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
192
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Posted - 2014.05.24 12:30:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Adding the :effort: wall will still improve the quality of the forums because it will outright remove one of the biggest sources of trolling the npc alts. Right along with good portion of non-trolling people. Surgical precision, my ass.
And, when we're at it, why arbitrary limit of 10 persons? Why not set the bar at 100+ man corp, or 1000+ man? Or, dare I say, restrict forum only to the members of somethingawful? Do you deny that posting quality would skyrocket on each subsequent change?
Or why not set the bar at something which would require some :effort: from you? Like, for instance, filling monthly quota of mined Veldspar? Since to you the forum equals the game, you should have no problem accepting such conditions (and watching you actually doing it would more than make up for being silenced myself). |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2450
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Posted - 2014.05.24 12:54:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:So . . . nerf free speech IN-GAME or OUT-OF-GAME? The forums aren't exactly in the game, but if you want to consider them as such, then you should also consider a nerf to NPC corp members ability to communicate in other ways in game. Like, maybe they should be gagged in local and even their own "corp" channel, too, and perhaps disallowed from interacting with peoples' spaceships in space.
I've already answered the "my free speech" argument. Much like reddit you do not understand that free speech does not shield you from the consequences caused by your speech. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2450
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Posted - 2014.05.24 12:57:00 -
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Walter Hart White wrote: You would be able to do exactly NOTHING. Nada. Nic. Nanimo. Null. It would be a corporation where CEO would not undock and not give anyone any power. It would be corporation without any member undocking from their base station. What would you do? War dec them? Please, do it. Please wardec my corporation. Every week. At least 5 times. Please, I beg you do it. I will laugh so hard I will fall from my chair.
That avatar and character name combo is awesome. It allows people to do some sort of action against that poster. Which is more than the current situation allows, remember you'll have to have at least 10 other active accounts in your corporation. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2450
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Posted - 2014.05.24 12:59:00 -
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hmskrecik wrote: Right along with good portion of non-trolling people. Surgical precision, my ass.
And, when we're at it, why arbitrary limit of 10 persons? Why not set the bar at 100+ man corp, or 1000+ man? Or, dare I say, restrict forum only to the members of somethingawful? Do you deny that posting quality would skyrocket on each subsequent change?
Or why not set the bar at something which would require some :effort: from you? Like, for instance, filling monthly quota of mined Veldspar? Since to you the forum equals the game, you should have no problem accepting such conditions (and watching you actually doing it would more than make up for being silenced myself).
Take your Xanax dude the hyperbolic rage coming forth isn't helping your case. I kept it limited to CAOD rules because we know what that restriction did it removed a massive amount of the trolling and increased the quality of that forum. Unlike your other suggestions which are not tested and we have no idea what they would do. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2450
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Posted - 2014.05.24 13:04:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote: That's the thing. He is wanting it setup so if anyone disagrees with him or the current narrative of his overloards; they lash out at the person in the game to silence them. This could be via war decs, station camping and even suicide ganking. Anything to silence the opposition - especially high sec players.
Sadly him along with others seem to think how they play the game is the only way it should be. Gone is the sandbox and they would imprison you into shackles of 'play this way or leave the game.'
I suggest, like CCP, the CSM and even ISD to simply use the already existing report feature in the forums. If you feel someone is breaking the forum rules, report them. Easy. No need for this childish over the top yoke some groups would have the rest of the players wear.
You keep proving my point aside from your goonspiracy. Unlike a faceless NPC troll alt I can go and enact a consequence against you should you decide derailing/trolling my thread is a good idea. If reporting works then why are the same NPC troll alts still here? I don't think CCP has enough resources to handle the work load of dealing with them so enacting this change will greatly decrease that workload and allow them to better deal with the problem. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
192
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Posted - 2014.05.24 13:20:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:hmskrecik wrote: Right along with good portion of non-trolling people. Surgical precision, my ass.
And, when we're at it, why arbitrary limit of 10 persons? Why not set the bar at 100+ man corp, or 1000+ man? Or, dare I say, restrict forum only to the members of somethingawful? Do you deny that posting quality would skyrocket on each subsequent change?
Or why not set the bar at something which would require some :effort: from you? Like, for instance, filling monthly quota of mined Veldspar? Since to you the forum equals the game, you should have no problem accepting such conditions (and watching you actually doing it would more than make up for being silenced myself).
Take your Xanax dude the hyperbolic rage coming forth isn't helping your case. I kept it limited to CAOD rules because we know what that restriction did it removed a massive amount of the trolling and increased the quality of that forum. Unlike your other suggestions which are not tested and we have no idea what they would do. Whatever medication I take is a matter between me and my doctor, thank you.
I'm not raging, I just show absurdity of your arbitrary criteria.
That it works in one selected section I'm not going to argue. But neither you nor I can prove it will work when applied to everything else. You constantly mention about effort wall, :effort: wall even, but you don't know if lack of trolling is because this wall works so well or just because trolls decided to move somewhere else for easier trophies and if you force them to make that effort to post at all, how are you so sure they won't go to CAOD back? Do you have plan B ready? |
Walter Hart White
Heisenberg Minings
34
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Posted - 2014.05.24 14:13:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Walter Hart White wrote: You would be able to do exactly NOTHING. Nada. Nic. Nanimo. Null. It would be a corporation where CEO would not undock and not give anyone any power. It would be corporation without any member undocking from their base station. What would you do? War dec them? Please, do it. Please wardec my corporation. Every week. At least 5 times. Please, I beg you do it. I will laugh so hard I will fall from my chair.
That avatar and character name combo is awesome. It allows people to do some sort of action against that poster. Which is more than the current situation allows, remember you'll have to have at least 10 other active accounts in your corporation. Can you list all actions you can do? |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2451
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Posted - 2014.05.24 18:05:00 -
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hmskrecik wrote: Whatever medication I take is a matter between me and my doctor, thank you.
I'm not raging, I just show absurdity of your arbitrary criteria.
That it works in one selected section I'm not going to argue. But neither you nor I can prove it will work when applied to everything else. You constantly mention about effort wall, :effort: wall even, but you don't know if lack of trolling is because this wall works so well or just because trolls decided to move somewhere else for easier trophies and if you force them to make that effort to post at all, how are you so sure they won't go to CAOD back? Do you have plan B ready?
You don't like something so that makes it absurd? Its a method that has been shown to work before and it is something CCP already has code for so it is something that is much more likely to happen. It is also not my criteria CCP set up how the CAOD restriction worked my suggestion merely expands it to other forums. You seem to forget that this is only one part of the solution and that more will be required this is intended to be an easy quick fix CCP can put in place to greatly improve forum quality and decrease work load. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2451
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Posted - 2014.05.24 18:08:00 -
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Walter Hart White wrote: Can you list all actions you can do?
I think you're trolling but, in case I'm mistaken I'll humor you this one time. I'm not going to give you literally everything either just some of the most likely actions:
-Awox her, -Gank her in highsec, -Declare war so I can kill her in highsec without CONCORD interference, -Steal from her corporation, -Tell her corporation to remove her or else, -Disband her alliance, -Pay someone else to do the above. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5265
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Posted - 2014.05.24 18:37:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Marlona Sky wrote: That's the thing. He is wanting it setup so if anyone disagrees with him or the current narrative of his overloards; they lash out at the person in the game to silence them. This could be via war decs, station camping and even suicide ganking. Anything to silence the opposition - especially high sec players.
Sadly him along with others seem to think how they play the game is the only way it should be. Gone is the sandbox and they would imprison you into shackles of 'play this way or leave the game.'
I suggest, like CCP, the CSM and even ISD to simply use the already existing report feature in the forums. If you feel someone is breaking the forum rules, report them. Easy. No need for this childish over the top yoke some groups would have the rest of the players wear.
You keep proving my point aside from your goonspiracy. Unlike a faceless NPC troll alt I can go and enact a consequence against you should you decide derailing/trolling my thread is a good idea. If reporting works then why are the same NPC troll alts still here? I don't think CCP has enough resources to handle the work load of dealing with them so enacting this change will greatly decrease that workload and allow them to better deal with the problem. You have no intention to go after trolls. You specifically want to cause harm to anyone who does not line up to drink the Kool-Aid. I simply can not allow that. The Paradox |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2014.05.24 18:47:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:La Nariz wrote:Marlona Sky wrote: That's the thing. He is wanting it setup so if anyone disagrees with him or the current narrative of his overloards; they lash out at the person in the game to silence them. This could be via war decs, station camping and even suicide ganking. Anything to silence the opposition - especially high sec players.
Sadly him along with others seem to think how they play the game is the only way it should be. Gone is the sandbox and they would imprison you into shackles of 'play this way or leave the game.'
I suggest, like CCP, the CSM and even ISD to simply use the already existing report feature in the forums. If you feel someone is breaking the forum rules, report them. Easy. No need for this childish over the top yoke some groups would have the rest of the players wear.
You keep proving my point aside from your goonspiracy. Unlike a faceless NPC troll alt I can go and enact a consequence against you should you decide derailing/trolling my thread is a good idea. If reporting works then why are the same NPC troll alts still here? I don't think CCP has enough resources to handle the work load of dealing with them so enacting this change will greatly decrease that workload and allow them to better deal with the problem. You have no intention to go after trolls. You specifically want to cause harm to anyone who does not line up to drink the Kool-Aid. I simply can not allow that.
Which is why a distinction between forums and game - a single alias per account, divorced from in game characters is a better way forward. Limits trolling, prevents other less savoury side effects.
In addition to giving ISD more grunt, as previously discussed. |
Dave Stark
6002
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Posted - 2014.05.24 19:35:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:You have no intention to go after trolls. You specifically want to cause harm to anyone who does not line up to drink the Kool-Aid. I simply can not allow that. i sincerely doubt that will happen.
i post a lot on these forums, and i know for a fact that i rub people up the wrong way most of the time (some of it is even accidental).
the amount of times people have taken things from the forum to in game? 0 times. I'd also imagine that goons have more important things to do than waste their time on forum posters. then again, perhaps not if everyone in null is too busy mass producing supercaps in some kind of weird "let's build them and never use them" arms race. *shrug* |
Walter Hart White
Heisenberg Minings
34
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Posted - 2014.05.24 19:44:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Walter Hart White wrote: Can you list all actions you can do?
I think you're trolling but, in case I'm mistaken I'll humor you this one time. I'm not going to give you literally everything either just some of the most likely actions: -Awox her, -Gank her in highsec, -Declare war so I can kill her in highsec without CONCORD interference, -Steal from her corporation, -Tell her corporation to remove her or else, -Disband her alliance, -Pay someone else to do the above.
How do you expect to that to a corporation made specifically for forum alts?
-Awox her: There is nothing to awox, even if you get in (which you will do), there is nothing to steal/blow up - Gank her in highsec, CEO and members wont undock. Ever. -Declare war so I can kill her in highsec without CONCORD interference, See above -Steal from her corporation, See above -Disband her alliance, No need for alliance for such forum alt corp -Pay someone else to do the above Waste of money |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3280
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Posted - 2014.05.24 19:49:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:La Nariz wrote:Marlona Sky wrote: That's the thing. He is wanting it setup so if anyone disagrees with him or the current narrative of his overloards; they lash out at the person in the game to silence them. This could be via war decs, station camping and even suicide ganking. Anything to silence the opposition - especially high sec players.
Sadly him along with others seem to think how they play the game is the only way it should be. Gone is the sandbox and they would imprison you into shackles of 'play this way or leave the game.'
I suggest, like CCP, the CSM and even ISD to simply use the already existing report feature in the forums. If you feel someone is breaking the forum rules, report them. Easy. No need for this childish over the top yoke some groups would have the rest of the players wear.
You keep proving my point aside from your goonspiracy. Unlike a faceless NPC troll alt I can go and enact a consequence against you should you decide derailing/trolling my thread is a good idea. If reporting works then why are the same NPC troll alts still here? I don't think CCP has enough resources to handle the work load of dealing with them so enacting this change will greatly decrease that workload and allow them to better deal with the problem. You have no intention to go after trolls. You specifically want to cause harm to anyone who does not line up to drink the Kool-Aid. I simply can not allow that. you complain about ~ad hominem attacks~
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