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baltec1
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Posted - 2014.05.17 17:39:00 -
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I warned you bears this would happen if rigs became a thing on freighters. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:28:00 -
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T-N-T wrote:funny thing what only nulli goons and pl doesnt like these changes))others fine with them
Goons are about the only people happy with this change as it will mean even easier kills for us and even more bloated freighters to blow up.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:30:00 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Dirk MacGirk wrote:Those cheers you heard at FanFest? Silenced, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in utter fricken disbelief. I fear something terrible has happened. what disbelief? you've been told for a long time that this would happen. Told rigs. Unless you were told more than that. Which they were not when "rigs coming to freighters" was proudly proclaimed on stage to wild applause. Or did I miss an announcement someplace?
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:39:00 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:
No need for you and that other genius Dave Stark to be douches about it. But since you've gone down that path, kudos to you for being the sage prognosticators of EVE. Nerfing was to be expected. I think it's the level that drew my attention. Just a tad much. Bit I'm sure your crystal ball already knew that.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:50:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:You guys also seem to think everything in null still hinges on Jita. Industry still needs work, but to carry on that all is lost and null will implode into nothing because your JF took a slight nerf is ridiculous. Maybe look into building stuff out in null so you don't have to ship in 100% of everything?
Then again that may have more to do with mineral availability so I'm not sure. I think I'll just sit back and watch the world burn a bit.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:01:00 -
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Aliath Sunstrike wrote:Tippia wrote:Aliath Sunstrike wrote:Anyone with a moderate view of life though would get my point darling. It is to say just a moderate buff to current to balance out the cost of rigs. I didn't say it had to be HUGE. GǪexcept that it's the rigs themselves that make it huge. Unless you want to nerf all capital rigs, or introduce a completely new rig category, the freighters would have to be nerfed to accommodate the potential rig bonuses. And that's part of the point: it would have to accommodate all of those potential bonuses GÇö after all, all eventualities will have to be balanced GÇö and the rigs would only be able to counteract one of the nerfs. So no matter how much you restrict the bonuses, be it by inventing new rigs or by limiting the number of rigs, or by nerfing the rigs, or by limiting which rigs can be fitted, the ship nerf to compensate will have to be the worst imaginable for every single stat and the sum total of those nerfs will always end up as a net nerf for the final fitted ship as a whole. This is hardly rocket science, and therefore it is not even remotely surprising that we get this kind of change: because anything else would make them silly overpowered and completely imbalanced. OMG you are dense. I am not talking about changing rigs...just decreasing the nerf a tad on the ships. JEBUS CRIST!
Cant do that, the nerfs are needed to keep them balanced. (Aside from that agility nerf)
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:37:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Charlemeign wrote:Nice to see another utterly ******** update by ccp. this was a change demanded by the playerbase, don't blame ccp for giving the people what they wanted. I am pretty certain this is exactly not what the player base wanted.
No this is exactly what they asked for. What they didn't think about is the nerfs that would have to accompany the rigs. Now, if all of these people against this change had spoken up every time a thread popped up demanding rigs and not kept quite while a handfull of us tried to tell people getting rigs would result in nerfs we might not be in this situation.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:45:00 -
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Allison A'vani wrote:
The reason for this is that no one actually took them serious at all.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:47:00 -
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Axe Coldon wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:The people have got what they asked for, let the bloodbath begin The PVPers got what they wanted maybe..not the industrialists. Cost will go up for everyone.
We didn't want this. Hence why we fought this every time the idea for rigs on freighters was posted.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:48:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:This is not an indirect buff, this is a very open and outright buff to ganking. As if this was the most pressing problem to solve. And yeah, many people have probably left the drawbacks of rigs out of sight. However, is it really too much to ask for improvements on ships that could need some improvements to make them actually a little bit better usablef for a price? Now they are even less usable, less gank-proof and require a higher price. I don't see where Risk vs. Reward is balanced in the slightest here.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:51:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:Dirk MacGirk wrote:Calling now for Burn Jita 3.5 in September. Let's make it semiannual now that freighters will probably die much easier now with higher ship values for extra goodness. It think they should do something quite the opposite. Instead of making more publicity to the game, let it stagnate.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:59:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Which doesn't make the ship any better at all, but I guess that is the point behind the changes.
Welcome to what we have been telling people wanting rigs for years.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:14:00 -
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Buzz Dura wrote:CCP if youwant to choose between several setup to carry more load, more tank or more speed etc why don't you forget about rigs and add low slots instead. Rigs are expensive refit !
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:30:00 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:Conceptual question: the focus has thus far been on cargo capacity. The premise that they needed to nerf base capacity because some players might up their capacity. But is top-end capacity, within reason, really the big issue? Is the ability to haul "moar" stuff from here to there really what focus was on when they considered and approved rigs?
I just don't see cargo capacity, past a certain point, that significant to force projection or hurting the game. It's a necessary evil in order to keep higher-level game functionality operating.
When I first heard the announcement for rigs, my first inclination was that this was really a response to the generic tanks on freighters. See an Obelisk and know: this much DPS needed to kill it before Concord responds. Call it an Anti-Burn Jita change. Not just BJ, but throwing a bit of a wrinkle into everyday hisec ganking. But in the end, I don't think it is going to work out like that. Yes, I know you could add some tank rigs. But with such a major hit to base capacity, that probably won't be the outcome. I just don't see capacity being the issue, no matter what level its at. Cargo value comes into play much more than top-end capacity in most circumstances. The rest, meh. I think their concern over "moar cargo" was a bit much.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:31:00 -
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Allison A'vani wrote:Triturus Alpestris wrote:CCP add low slot and we will forgive you. Now that I think about it, if the changes are kept EXACTLY how they are and you add a low slot then this would be acceptable. A T2 Inertia stab would make up for the massive agility nurf and then the rigs would make up for the cargo nurf. Otherwise, this is still an absolutely awful change. I still think that this should not have even been considered in the first place. EDIT: Talking about for JF, regular freighters I don't really care about either way.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:33:00 -
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Batolemaeus wrote:baltec1 wrote:[
Its to stop us shipping capitals into jita. Increasing repackaged values of capital ships and sov upgrade mods is one sql query away.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:34:00 -
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Buzz Dura wrote:baltec1 wrote:Buzz Dura wrote:CCP if youwant to choose between several setup to carry more load, more tank or more speed etc why don't you forget about rigs and add low slots instead. Rigs are expensive refit ! That would still mean you get these nerfs. Yes but you will have a choice with refit in your cargo.. I don't bring up a collection of T2 capital rigs usely...
See this post people?
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:13:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:I am quite sure they were not nerfed to make room for the rigs. Those were just an afterthought to sell the straight up nerf of the freighters that were considered too good at what they were doing.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:15:00 -
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Axe Coldon wrote:Abrazzar wrote:I am quite sure they were not nerfed to make room for the rigs. Those were just an afterthought to sell the straight up nerf of the freighters that were considered too good at what they were doing. Too good? you must not play the same eve as i do. Freighters are super easy to gank as it is. Now they will be worth more..and be even more of a gank target. When pilots wanted rigs (and slots) was to get their freighter beefed up. Not to make it more expensive to fly the same thing.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:32:00 -
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Angelina Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:[quote=Axe Coldon]
We told you they would be nerfed to compensate for the rigs. I didn't ask for rigs. I asked for them to be re balanced thoughtfully, given interesting roles or bonuses, or adding in mechanics, means, roles etc, that make flying them more fun, less boring. You guys are nearly as unoriginal and lacking in creativity as fozzy.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:39:00 -
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Isky von Purps wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote: u can exceed a current freighters capacity. u can exceed a current freighters tank. u can exceed a current freighters speed.
but u cant have all three at once. u have to choose.
Which is the problem in the first place. They wanted it all, without having to think about it. no this is not true. It's perfectly fine for a change to be negative on multiple aspects and offsetting positive on another. This change is negative on multiple attributes and neutral to negligible positive on one. So these changes work, provided there is an offsetting buff in Concord reaction rates.
This is what people asked for. You can now make the new freighter better in one area over the old one but you will have to make sacrifices in the other areas. Concord will not be getting altered. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:51:00 -
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Ghazbaran wrote:So basically a Freighter and JUMP FREIGHTER nerf... Who wants to buy a Nomad?
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Posted - 2014.05.18 05:14:00 -
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Sizeof Void wrote:Well, I think it is a bad sign when the gankers are the ones most in favor of and excited by these changes... lol.
Ironicly its been gankers who have fought against these changes for the last few years. Highsec bears have just scored a huge own goal. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Posted - 2014.05.18 05:25:00 -
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Dealin'lak wrote:Gotta appreciate the irony....
1- Use Fanfest to announce the "Awesome addition of rigs to Freighters and Jump Freighters".
2- Get everybody hyped up and expecting a nice addition for their ships.
3- Eventually come out saying that those "awesome additions" to Freighters and Jump Freighters hide what is actually an "intended" (to quote CCP Fozzie) nerf....
It's a REAL sad day when you realize politicians could learn a trick or two from CCP :(
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Posted - 2014.05.18 05:48:00 -
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Esur A'saw Ti wrote:baltec1 wrote:Angelina Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:[quote=Axe Coldon]
We told you they would be nerfed to compensate for the rigs. I didn't ask for rigs. I asked for them to be re balanced thoughtfully, given interesting roles or bonuses, or adding in mechanics, means, roles etc, that make flying them more fun, less boring. You guys are nearly as unoriginal and lacking in creativity as fozzy. I spent the last two years telling people adding rigs would result in these nerfs and got nothing but abuse. You will forgive me if I take this time to smug it out while these same people rage about what they have brought upon themselves. Not their fault, there is really a problem with hs freighters ganks, it's absolutely stupid that you can kill one with what 10 cata? It should be at least 50+ and give a tanking malus to autopilot ships that's how I would balance the game.
Whats daft is people think 30 freighters getting ganked a month constitutes "out of control ganking".
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Posted - 2014.05.18 05:52:00 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dealin'lak wrote:Gotta appreciate the irony....
1- Use Fanfest to announce the "Awesome addition of rigs to Freighters and Jump Freighters".
2- Get everybody hyped up and expecting a nice addition for their ships.
3- Eventually come out saying that those "awesome additions" to Freighters and Jump Freighters hide what is actually an "intended" (to quote CCP Fozzie) nerf....
It's a REAL sad day when you realize politicians could learn a trick or two from CCP :( Cant blaim CCP for people thinking they would add rigs without nerfing the freighters to keep them balanced. They were warned this would happen. baltec - seriously does it matter if some players were warned by a handful of other players? Can we just stipulate for the record that a few people knew the outcome and were proven right. Yes, you were right. Dave was right, Trip was right. I completely agree some of you were involved in previous threads combating the idiots. You should get a medal from everyone else. Now that you were right and the mongs who thought they could get something for nothing were proved wrong, the rest of us now need to deal with the fallout. This change shouldn't happen on either side of the equation as proposed. Too big of a hit for the "flexibility" of rigs, which are inherently inflexible at the capital ship level. Mods would probably result in an even worse hit, but at least then we could claim some level of real flexibility. I don't propose those either. I propose the status quo. Freighters were fine.
I agree entirely.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 07:44:00 -
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Esur A'saw Ti wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Whats daft is people think 30 freighters getting ganked a month constitutes "out of control ganking".
This is entirely the fault of highsec bears, you nerfed yourselves.
Are you trolling or just terrible reading comprehsion? Being able to kill a freighter with 10 cata in highsec is stupid, I couldn't care less if you could do it against autopilot freighters tho. It doesn't matter if it's only 30/month, imagine if you could easily kill jfs with 10 inty just camping gates with a "mobile jf interceptor 3000", people would complain because it's a bad design, same here. Risk vs reward, having options that doesn't require alts or corpmates (since moving a freighter is tedious and unfun) all that.
You numbers are out on how many cats are needed to kill a freighter.
Its funny how you go on about how you shouldn't need alts or corpmates to fly a freighter yet rage about a fleet being needed to kill said freighter. You arnt getting your perfect safety and your quest to get it has just backfired in everyones face. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Posted - 2014.05.18 09:51:00 -
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Esur A'saw Ti wrote:baltec1 wrote:
You numbers are out on how many cats are needed to kill a freighter.
Its funny how you go on about how you shouldn't need alts or corpmates to fly a freighter yet rage about a fleet being needed to kill said freighter. You arnt getting your perfect safety and your quest to get it has just backfired in everyones face.
Are you trying to say that you can't kill a freighter in a 0.5 system with around 10 perfect cata pilots? LOL Thanks for confirming that your reading comprehension is indeed terrible, I said that SINCE flying a freighter is tedious, dull and boring (see that's a game design flaw) it's harder to rely on other people, in the same way that people use solocorps for industry because it's **** easy to steal bpos from a pos/hangar, this has nothing to do with your "moral" or what you think people should do, it's all about the inherent bad design of some part of eve. Is it too hard to understand? I wish I could explain stuff by making you press f1 And by the way, nice projecting I never lost a freighter and don't live in hs, even tho I use an alt to dodge the fw/concord mechanics (god bless metagaming, imirite guys). No need to be mad because I'm pointing out that your baby-tier risk averse "pvp" should go. tl;dr : buff freighters to make it impossible to suicide them in a small fleet that cost like 200m and is easy as **** to setup (see I'm ok with taloses), give a tanking malus to autopilot ships
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Posted - 2014.05.18 11:16:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Maybe if Fozzie would like to edit the OP with a few paragraphs of their reasoning for this?
The reason is easy.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:14:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Tippia wrote:Dracvlad wrote:That was a most amusing troll post, if you seriously believe all of that then I pity you... So I'm right then, seeing as how you can't present an argument to the contrary and have to go right for continue the ad hominems. Well for example you said that null sec alliances were not asking for a buff in manufacturing, which is very very false, that one was so clearly a troll it was amusing, you actually trolled yourself on that one.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:18:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. I haven't caught up on the entire thread yet (still working through page 19) but I wanted to quickly let you guys know that the mass values that were previously listed in the OP for freighters were a mistake on the forum post. We never changed the freighter mass values, and have no intention of preventing them from travelling through highsec wormholes.
The numbers are now corrected in the OP.
Ok, back to reading the rest of the thread. I'll let you guys know when I'm caught up.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 16:18:00 -
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Pj Harvey wrote:In an age where you can't autopilot through high sec without a good chance of being suicide ganked, you make freighters even more fragile?
I keep seeing a pattern these days in the changes you make, it's like you want everything to be more expensive and less durable, probably with the aim of selling more PLEX.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 17:41:00 -
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Vhelnik Cojoin wrote:baltec1 wrote:We worked out that there are greater chances of you being struck by lightning in RL than getting ganked. Unless you do something silly like stuffing 10 billion in the hold. Male bovine manure. The average chance per year of getting hit by lightening for someone living in the US is around 1 in 500,000. In EVE terms this means, that for the chances to just be equal, then there has to be an average of 500,000 freighter pilots active for each freighter killed by suicide ganks in EVE per year. So with a total of 155 freighters and jump freighters killed just during the four days of Burn Jita 3, those losses alone would require a total of 155 * 500,000 = 77,500,000 individual (jump) freighter pilots being active in space at least once in a given year. Then there are all the other suicide kills, like the ongoing CODEdot campaign in Isanamo, the russians and CFC in Niarja etc. Somehow your statement seems just a tiny bit unlikely to be true...
The average month sees around 30 to 40 ganks. Now, we dont work out the chance based on per pilot but per trip and we do not include people who made themselves a target by stuffing billions in the hold. There are millions of trips made by Freighters each and every month. Over the span of the last decade, taking into account the number of freighter trips made the numbers work out as being much lower than being struck by lightning. Granted you are still more likely to be ganked than win the lottery.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 17:50:00 -
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Digger Pollard wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
First of all, it's not zero. Concord will destroy your ship 100% of the time, so the risk is 100%. Steps taken to mitigate the effects of that risk is called smart gameplay.
Secondly, ganking is only as easy, and as profitable, as bad players make it for us.
Thirdly, I have seen 8 billion isk killmails that drop less than 300mil. It does happen, and since the possibility of that happening is NOT zero, that means that risk is in fact involved in any gank, regardless of how much the freighter is hauling.
First of all, it's zero. You know about concord, so it's not a risk, it's actually something you can reliably count on. Calling concord a "risk" should deprive you from using word "smart". But since you're a gankbear, you shouldn't use "risk" either... Secondly, ganking is only as EXTREMELY easy as people ARE FORCED to make it for you, because there is no alternative to a freighter and no alternative to what you haul - you haul what you have to. There is no alternative to a route either. Just how much easier could it be? Thirdly, I have seen 10 billion isk killmails which drop 11 billion, due to price calculator and jita price difference. Gankbears being stupid lazy risk-averse crybabies as usual.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:03:00 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:1risk noun \-êrisk\ : the possibility that something bad or unpleasant (such as an injury or a loss) will happen
: someone or something that may cause something bad or unpleasant to happen
: a person or thing that someone judges to be a good or bad choice for insurance, a loan, etc.
All 3 of those definitions rely on an unkown outcome
Possibilty, may and judges
Will, shall and certainly are in a different category altogether
You may not kill the target.
You might not get the drop.
You might be attacked at any time.
You own freighter may be attacked and killed.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:06:00 -
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Vhelnik Cojoin wrote:baltec1 wrote:The vast bulk of people will never be ganked. Stop squirming, for your own sake. Completely empty freighters are being ganked in Isanamo at regular intervals 'for the lulz' or RP reasons. For your original statement to be true, then there needs to be 500'000 individual freighter pilots active in space at least once per year, just for a single gank like that. Even that cannot be true. If you have better statistics available than the reference I provided, including hard facts on number of freighter trips made in EVE per year, then I wouldn't mind helping to calculate the exact chance of being ganked per trip.
Whats with this 500,000 freighter pilots? Did you even bother to read what I said?
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:16:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:I want gank pilots to have to scan my Charon to see what defenses (or lack thereof) I have on my ship.
so you're willing to take a massive freighter nerf, just so gankers have to click 1 more button before they gank you? There is no nerf, if rigs AND MODS are added to freighters it just makes them like all the other ships in the game (i.e. meaningful choice at a cost). Let me ask you this, what if every ship in the game had no rigs and no mods, you got hull bonuses and that was it? Would you even be playing this game?
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Digger Pollard wrote:Stuff.
You cant just brush them all away.
The risks are there and very real, the only people who think ganking is risk free are people who don't do it, have never done it, and have a personal gripe with piracy even being an option. The same people who think buying sec back with those tags is a good idea. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Digger Pollard wrote:baltec1 wrote:Digger Pollard wrote:Stuff.
You cant just brush them all away. The risks are there and very real, the only people who think ganking is risk free are people who don't do it, have never done it, and have a personal gripe with piracy even being an option. The same people who think buying sec back with those tags is a good idea. If you convert those "risks" to numbers, I have to say you can't really call a number real if it only has imaginary part. Piracy is fine. Sitting on a gate lazily picking tastiest victim among those who have no choice but to be there is not piracy. The only non-imaginary risk you have in ganking a freighter is being worse than my dog at eve.
So who forced the freighter to stuff 10 billion into the hold? Ganking is only as easy and profitable as the victim makes it.
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Digger Pollard wrote:Tippia wrote:Tippia's trademark nonsense derailment snafu. This will be my one and only counter to Tippia's obvious ******** troll derailment past-time. Target is a freighter - zero tanking variety. If you don't know he had friends, that makes you worse than my dog at eve, because freighter party is obvious as wood. It must be sitting on top of a freighter or they won't make it to counter gank. With those points in mind, ganking such a freighter means you are worse than my dog at eve and should quit. Gank fleets being ganked are simply impossible, unless they hang right on a gate with a flag on them, in which case they're worse than my dog at eve. Freighters align speed allows to bring in prealigned fleet from a safespot easily. If I have to point it out to you, there are things like freight containers you can deploy from your freighter and put stuff there with another account. Here you go, you have a freighter-load and no flag. But how could you know about it if you're worse than my dog at eve? Loot fairy? You can't have it both ways in a single occurrence, but you WILL have it both ways in a long run. Picking on this point was more likely a trolling though, typical Tippia nonsense. So with those answers in mind, I feel pretty confident than the only real risk in ganking is being worse than my dog at eve. From here on I keep ignoring Tippia nonsense till forever.
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Vhelnik Cojoin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Whats with this 500,000 freighter pilots? Did you even bother to read what I said?
Also please post said empty freighters. Yes, I did indeed read what you posted earlier, and what I quoted in one of my previous posts: baltec1 wrote:We worked out that there are greater chances of you being struck by lightning in RL than getting ganked. Unless you do something silly like stuffing 10 billion in the hold. However, first things first. I am unsure whether the forum allows direct KB links from this discussion, so you will have to look up the candidates I dug out for you: KillID: 23370943, 23370340, 23342061, 23317011 and 23261890. Please let me know if you are having difficulties using these numbers, and I will try to guide you. These suicide ganks took place in Isanamo in the month of May 2014, and where the freighter was either completely empty, or very nearly so, to the point where there was no hope of making a profit from the gank. Additionally the pilots were all in NPC corporations, so these kills cannot be explained as being due to pilot error during live wardecs. There were many more ganks in Isanamo in May, but the pilot was either in a player corp, or the cargo wasn't empty. Please let me know if you are with me so far. Don't worry, we will take this in small steps, so I don't loose you along the way.
The average month sees around 30 to 40 ganks. Now, we dont work out the chance based on per pilot but per trip and we do not include people who made themselves a target by stuffing billions in the hold. There are millions of trips made by Freighters each and every month. Over the span of the last decade, taking into account the number of freighter trips made the numbers work out as being much lower than being struck by lightning. Granted you are still more likely to be ganked than win the lottery.
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Digger Pollard wrote:baltec1 wrote:So tell us, how do you spot a booster ship that can be active anywhere in the system? Right after you tell us how booster ship boosts hull tank of a freighter. ...all right, I'll tell you anyway - you fit a ship scanner with a cargo scanner on your NPC scanning alt you scan freighters with. With amount of non-hull tank on a freighter, it's gotta be active all the time or it'll be too late. Not to mention that a booster will not boost freighter ehp more than 1%-2%, which is negligible.
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Digger Pollard wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Digger Pollard wrote:
So with those answers in mind, I feel pretty confident than the only real risk in ganking is being worse than my dog at eve.
u say that as if avoiding ganks requires u to be better at playing the game than a dog. Currently avoiding gank is 100% impossible even for gods. You can make it less profitable, but not avoid it. Losing a freighter, even an empty one, is bad enough to call it a huge risk to pilot one.
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Vhelnik Cojoin wrote:
Now. Do you concede that freighter pilots in NPC corporations are being suicide ganked in HiSec, even with no cargo? Yes or no. This question seemed important to you, so I need an answer.
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Feffri wrote:Posting to agree with comments made from before these changes are horrible and not well thought out at all. Fozzie take the weekends off as you obviously don't do your best thinking on weekends.
Actually the changes are infact rather well thought out. The problem here is adding the rigs means these nerfs have to happen to keep the ships balanced and CCP are only adding the rigs because of an endless train of people asking for rigs over the last 2 years. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Kaahles wrote:Maybe a bit off-topic and will probably get me a lot of hate but here it goes:
Whatever happened to "Adapt or Die"?
"back in the day" it was among the first things I learned o.O
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Dave Stark wrote:baltec1 wrote:I have a plan. hauling in megathrons?
If only...
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Moloney wrote:Get you pants off your head and stop this nerf!
Less cargo, slower, less hp pick 1 to return to normal at a cost!? WTF!!!
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Gumpy Bitterhawk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Gumpy Bitterhawk wrote:People like you remind me why i stopped reading eveo forums years ago.
people like you are the reason i read it daily. because all of your recent posts are just attacking me and not giving any feedback (you know, the very thing you've accused me of (falsely, i might add)). The reason people read this thread is because they are interested in what ccp has in store for jumpfreighters and freighters. I happen to make money from building freighters and jumpfreighters, so, beside all the hauling i do myself, these changes are going to impact me possibly more then the average logi guy. Now, reading trough this lot with all the whining about these (really harsh) changes and sift out the good ideas/devposts is one thing, but what really pisses me off is this bunch of kids who have been trying to **** up the thread from page one with these 'told you so' comments. Really, if all you want is some backpadding because you predicted something, got trolled about it, are butthurt, and now want some revenge or something, please, go start a own thread in some offtopic section where you can go troll amonghts your 'told you so' fanclub. Adding no feedback at all is still better then whatever you are trying to do. And as far as my feedback goes (who the f cares anyway), i gave that already somewhere of the start of this thread. I think they both could use tweaks, yes. I think they should have some level of modification, yes. But not by nerfing the ships in all their major aspects and then giving you an option (lol, nessecity) to unfuck one of those stats at a 1.5b price tag (wich is a false level of modification anyways as you cannot unfit rigs). The idea Mynna came up with is like a thousand times better thought trough then what ccp came up with.
CCP have simply given what countless bears demanded. Rigs for their freighters. No matter what CCP do, if they are adding fitting options then they have to nerf the freighters to keep them balanced.
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Walter Hart White wrote:I hide all posts from tippia, Kaarous, Dave Start and likes of those, and voila, thread is nice again! Recommend everyone doing that.
So, you are hiding the post from the people who predicted this would happen if rigs were added in a thread on deciding the future of freighters?
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Walter Hart White wrote:baltec1 wrote:Walter Hart White wrote:I hide all posts from tippia, Kaarous, Dave Start and likes of those, and voila, thread is nice again! Recommend everyone doing that. So, you are hiding the post from the people who predicted this would happen if rigs were added in a thread on deciding the future of freighters? Wouldn't it be a better idea to listen to them, given how they know what changes would mean. If they were saying anything useful, maybe. All they say is the same thing all over the thread. I don't need to read "told you so" * number_of_posts(tippia, any_thread) + number_of_posts(kaarous, any_thread) + number_of_posts(dave_start, any_thread); All they do, in every single thread, if there is someone unhappy with CCP changes, they troll the **** out of them. That is all they do. They have zero usefulness in community and should be removed from it.
We spent two years telling people this very thing would happen if rigs were added and got nothing but abuse from these people.
In this very thread we are getting countless "why are you doing this CCP" posts and we are answering them. We are also getting a large number of other posts asking for a reduction in the nerfs but to keep the rigs or to add low and med slots. Im sorry if you think its getting repetitive but we are answering the same questions and demands over and over again. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Walter Hart White wrote: It is useless right now, to post "told you so" except for masturbating your own ego.
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Jessica Danikov wrote:If we were allow modules, is it of benefit to introduce rigs and incrementally balance against those first, or is it better to recalibrate the entire baseline at once, modules and rigs all at once?
I understand the misgivings about introducing modules, but ultimately fitting ships is central to the flying in space experience and gives variety and interesting choices to doing so and it seems wrong to me to deny this of freighters. Those problems need to be identified and dealt with rather than aborting because problems have been encountered.
The Orca is a comparable hisec brick and it does have module slots. Is the Orca unbalanced fitting ewar or tackle or having tank mods in the lows? Are there any lessons from the Orca we can take and use to avoid unbalancing freighters with mods? Equally, how would freighters with mods be differentiated from the Orca to keep the ships from filling the same niche?
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ArmyOfMe wrote:mynnna wrote:
If you saw the kind of "greater rewards" it'd take to make living in deep nullsec without any of that capability worthwhile, you'd probably be whining about those, too.
The great thing for me is that ive played long enough to remember when ppl were living in those regions. Before jf's, before freighters even. I remember those long lasting trips through 0,0 with a bs fleet as escort. But we did it anyhow. I think you underestimate ppl's desires to live in 0,0 and make themselfs a home.
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: I love the idea of lowslot fitting on freighters, but I firmly believe the DCU is too potent to balance a ship with such insane amounts of structure. Remove the ability to fit a DCU on a freighter if you give it a low slot.
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Semidurr wrote:Tippia wrote: Not particularly. We have to establish how common it is that a ship is lost. Using one of the least used ship types in the game gives us a kind of worst-case baseline for rarity of loss. Freighters, it turns out, does not even reach that baseline GÇö that's how rare freighter losses are.
Apples and oranges. Do you got any hard data on how often ewar frigs are used? Why dont compare freighters to dst which are fulfilling similiar role in similiar environment? There were 7 dst and 16 freighters destroyed on may 18. Does it mean that dst are superior hauling ships? Or is it just meaningless statistic one can use to make a point?
Given that DST are flying bricks of armour it shouldnt be all that shocking they dont get killed much.
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Miss Everest wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Good evening everyone. Just wanted to let you guys know that we haven't forgotten about you. I'm discussing a few improvements to the design with the CSM now, and we'll be able to start getting your feedback on them soon.
Have a good night! I hope you leave the stats of these ships alone...for the mostpart. Change Cargoholds so with T2 Rigs you cannot smuggle Capitals into Highsec! I can understand a slight poke here and there with the base stats, but nothing to radical as they currently are! Otherwise I'll be asking alot of "Why exactly are these changes necessary outside of something to do." Which would promptly be ignored in a orderly fashion. Seriously why not just make capitals a prohibited item in HS. That would solve that problem.
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:
Confirms two more accounts that are going to die.
Can I have your stuff? Obviously not - you didn't earn it. Go beg somewhere else.
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Lord'Eirik wrote:This is a nice little gift to the freighter gankers, i bet the gankers will be extatic when they see the first killmail on the freighter kill with t2 cargo rigs to 725mill isk each that even helped them by reducing armor 5%+ armor each rig!
1 lowslot on freighters (reducing cargo by 27.5%) would have been good for freighter pilots, this rig idea is only a nerf and a kick in the face to those players that keep the game running and a gift to those only logging on to get a few easy kills before they log off to play other games!
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Purpleshadez wrote:6bil for the hull, 1.2bil for 2 T2 cargo rigs on a JF JUST to give it a max of 4% cargo hold bonus but around 10k less EHP and 5sec slower aline speed???
why??
i thought this expansion was to boost the industry not to nerf it, so why change the freighters at all???
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Carniflex wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Carniflex wrote: The same warm feeling a JF pilot is getting from fitting these nice T2 rigs for getting back where it was. Like the fuel consumption increase would not have been enough to poke the smaller entities in the eye.
you haven't answered the question. if you're going to nerf guns by 40%, what is being given to players? That was the answer. The "warm feeling". The same thing the JF pilots are getting :)
Thats not the answer to the question asked.
Freighters will be able to beat the current freighter in cargo capacity or tank or warp speed ect. There are getting something out of these nerfs.
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Sael Va'Tauri wrote:Given the fact that cargo is taking around a 30% nerf, I assume the material components of building freighters is going to drop by 30% as well? Since we purchase freighters to haul things, and we're going to have to buy rigs to bring them back to their pre nerf status, its only logical to reduce the cost of freighters so we keep everything the same, right?
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Lyn Fel wrote:In before everyone freaks out about having spent billions on rigs they can't use.
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Valterra Craven wrote:Circumstantial Evidence wrote:Dirk MacGirk wrote:Fozzie, can you confirm: Is my dream of a cloaky freighter really coming true? Tippia is winning this thread ... at the moment... therefore, 6 highslots. + Tippia 151 (8,8%) + Dave Stark 149 (8,7%) (Though CCP's opinion could quickly shift back toward Dave Stark's views!) Tippia wrote:Attempt #2: Only highslots. 6 of them! Role bonus: may launch bombs in highsec. I don't see them doing either. I don't recall a time where they announced changes and then completely rolled them back immediately based on negative feedback. (AKA the new bounty structures for 0.0 being a good example of the hatred of them and them going in with only minor changes) Whats likely to happen is they refine the numbers a bit to make them less painful. or maybe at the very least tune the build costs a bit given how massive the baseline changes are and how expensive it will be to get back to baseline on just one value.
There was a super carriers change that they had to pull.
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Valterra Craven wrote:baltec1 wrote:
There was a super carriers change that they had to pull.
In the end, if you want rigs then you will have these nerfs.
Oh, would you happen to remember the year or what it was about? (I'm REALLY freakin curious to see what they would have screwed up so bad they'd have to pull it) I tried to keep up with in game news on my break, but my eve history is a bit spotty. And I while I may have made a right a$$ of myself in this thread (which I try not to do) I would never be so stupid that I'd want rigs on freighters.
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Victoria Sin wrote:Dramaticus wrote:Null is mostly empty because of most of the space is inherently **** Provi is mostly populated and its the shittest space in the whole of Eve. It's not the space that's the problem, it's the blue dohnut, the renting concept and the unenlightened blue-dohnut attitude towards other players who "aren't one of us" that's the problem.
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Rowells wrote:plex hauling here I come Erm GǪ wouldn't you be better off hauling PLEX in a blockade runner, since you have the cloak and an incredibly short align time and high warp speed? If you have a brain, what you really want to use to carry PLEX is a shuttle to get to the target location then redeem your PLEX once you are in the right station.
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Frostys Virpio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Rowells wrote:plex hauling here I come Erm GǪ wouldn't you be better off hauling PLEX in a blockade runner, since you have the cloak and an incredibly short align time and high warp speed? If you have a brain, what you really want to use to carry PLEX is a shuttle to get to the target location then redeem your PLEX once you are in the right station. You should carry as many as possible too. I must of worded that poorly. I meant you don't put the PLEX in the game until you are in the right station. Is there a mecanic I'm missing where there is a need to move PLEX around?
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:For those that suggest the CSM has no control over CCP, this is an object lesson.
Fozzie puts out moronic changes that the entire Eve universe hates, except the griefers. Fozzie says he will talk with the CSM, and they are giving him good ideas. 72 hours later, Fozzie does a 180 and puts out changes past CSM members are stating are what the CSM wanted all along.
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Vhelnik Cojoin wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:How many times can people that "gank for giggles" do that without running out of ISK? There simply isn't any evidence of sustained ganking of empty freighters/jump freighters to support your assumption, the killboards show that almost all ganking is done for profit.
Please direct your favorite web browser to minerbumping.com. James 315 and his bunch of merry men have now raised more than 350 billion ISK in contributions from other players. The ISK is used to refund the losses of suicide gankers, who systematically attack miners and haulers in HiSec. That is how and why they don't run out of ISK despite the systematic losses. Earlier in the thread I listed KillIDs off 6 empty freighters suicide ganked by CODEdot et al. and piloted by players in NPC corporations. This was for May alone within the system of Isanamo. There were more empty freighter killed within Isanamo in May, but the pilots were in player corps, which means pilot error (doing freighter runs during live wardecs) cannot be ruled out. The number of attacking ships makes this unlikely, however. As I type this, the wallet of minerbumping.com stands at 43 billion ISK and change. About a month ago your own alliance, Goonswarm Federation, ran a little 3 day event called Burn Jita 3. Around 150 freighters or JFs, empty or otherwise, were ganked over the weekend. I Was There(TM). They did not discriminate. You will have to ask your alliance leadership how this event was funded on your end, but apparently the idea behind the event was - in part - to show that the CFC/nullsec alliances has so much ISK that burning some of it on an event like Burn Jita 3 is pocket change. I would call both events organized and sustained. Burn Jita ran for the third time this year, while the ganks in Lonetrek is an ongoing event.
The action of a small group of people that kill a tiny amount of freighters a month should not mean CCP nerfs high sec piracy into the ground.
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Doris VanGit wrote:Ok time for my 2 pennies worth. Firstly i apologies if i repeat anything said by others, these forums send my eyes a little of balance. So i aint gonna read all the posts. Its a nice touch, adding the module slots to such expensive ships. However, it would have been alot nicer to have the cpu available to fit a damage control or a warp core stab! A damage control may help the surviverbility of say the Rhea, were its main defence is a shield and hull buff. However, no EM resists on these. To my knowledge unless i have missed something, the are no low slot mods or skills to improve hull resists. Therefore when the usual Goon, burn jita arises. They could loose twice as many ships to CCP instead But on a side note that has nothing to do, with this thread. Why on a normal day in EVE, you cant enter Jita if numbers are too High. But burn Jita arises On every man and his dog are in there? Like i say just my 2 pennies worth.
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