Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

Note: The increased powergrid on some of these can be used to fit an oversized AB. Might be interesting to see how fast that goes OH on the mastodon...

New question (I feel like I'm a noob again):
if I press align, activate MJD and then get scrammed during spool-up, will it still spool up and MJD me away or does the scram prevent the MJD from working?

Edit: found my answer on Eve Uni wiki: If the MJD is charging and you are warp scrammed during the spool up, your jump will fail.

It does not. The basic rule of thumb is that MJDs work just like MWDs in this regard.

Any thoughts on bubble immunity? It would be a nice complement to BR's ability to warp cloaked. You could increase their mass to compensate.

Increasing mass screws over WH's. And bubble immunity is a terrible mechanic.

This shipclass makes it now possible to launder even battleship sized ships (50k packaged size) from ganked freighters without taking any risks (only the laundering alt in a shuttle goes suspect) and with a far lower investment than an Orca (40k fleet hangar).

Is this intended?

If there's no risk to the DST because of the shuttle alt then there's not really any risk to another freighter doing so.
Nobody's going to set up a counter-gank in the time you have your freighter looting the wreck.

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

Currently you have to put a freighter or Orca at risk in order to loot them because they will have to go suspect.

Or you align with a freighter, open the ganked wreck, select the station, click loot all, click warp within the same second and warp off within the same tick. Even if someone had you targeted, they wouldn't be able to scram you because the server already has you in warp when the other gets the suspect flag on his client. That's the way I used when I fliped my ore back into my hauler with can flippers on me to pop my ship. Works flawlessly. Your risk argument is already voided by current mechanics.

While this looks interesting for getting in and out of trouble, the Fleet Hangar change really limits the DST in useful things like POS work. With a cargo hold of 1000 - 3000, you cant even scoop or launch a large tower, or most pos mods. To make it work, you would need to make it capable of launching items from the fleet hangar as well as scoop to the fleet hangar.

For POS work in null sec, orcas arent an option for getting around, and BRs are just too small even after your proposed buff. Now the only real option is a rorqual or JF which takes setting up a POS out of the picture for the average player.

an extra low slot against a mid slot

And that's where the Bustard wins.

From what I can see, CCP has made an effective armored truck. BRs use stealth and agility to reach their destination, while DSTs use their tank. With the overwhelming bulk of their cargo locked in the Fleet Hangar and a tiny cargo hold, the low slots are just not that important to a shield-tanked DST. The Bustard is a purer incarnation of the concept, while the Mastadon is a compromise. They're going to appeal to different people, and that's good.

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.