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MrBreaker
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:48:00 -
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Im tempted to give the new Beta 2 of Vista a go but im wondering how Eve runs on it.
Is it identical to XP? all the gfx options working, sound etc?
How is performance?
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Waz Hawat
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Posted - 2006.05.31 19:31:00 -
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Doesn't work, login screen comes up as a black box. Using the latest Nvidia drivers for Vista and nothing. ---- |
Dowser
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Posted - 2006.05.31 20:38:00 -
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Eve requires administrator access. You'll see the same problem on XP if you try to run Eve as a standard user. Run the application as an administrator and you can move past this. You can also set up the shortcut so that it always runs as admin.
There is still a problem though. Vista uses DX10. Eve requires DX9.0b or greater, but it complains that the DX version is 9.0. So it appears there's either a bug Eve's version checking or it just doesn't get along with DX10. I've tried running the application in XP compatibility mode, but no luck. So no EVE at work for me :(
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Jammet Ashton
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Posted - 2006.05.31 22:19:00 -
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Eve does not require administrator on XP, you just have to be able to write to thet CCP directory on the user that you wish to play Eve with. As for eve in Vista, I have no idea yet. I am guessing if it ran at all it would run exactly like XP right now since Vista's DirectX 10 is not released to the public. CCP (correct me if I am wrong) has not released the version of Eve for Vista yet as well so the graphic updates will not be avaliable on the normal Eve client. I am the darkness in the light. |
Dowser
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Posted - 2006.06.01 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: Dowser on 01/06/2006 00:46:34 Edited by: Dowser on 01/06/2006 00:46:09 Last I checked, standard user could not run Eve on XP - you a black box. This was a few months ago, so maybe that's been fixed since.
CCP won't be able release an update for DX10/Vista until there's some hardware out there that supports DX10. But that's beside the point. Eve doesn't run using a downlevel version of DX on Vista right now either.
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Mortideus
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Posted - 2006.06.07 12:59:00 -
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The current version of Vista does use DX10. The problem with EVE Online is that DX10 (XNA) is not backwards compatible. It was totally reprogrammed for maximum graphics and performance. As for the hardware, all of the newer graphics card will work with it. Essentially, all of the ATI Radeon X**** will work and i believe anything above the NVIDIA 6500. I'm not sure of the exact cards, but I am amost positive that most of the new ones will work on it. ( I have a ATI Mobility Radeon x600 and DX10 works fine on it with Vista ).
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Vlip
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:39:00 -
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Eve runs fine on Vista. All you have to do is add a reg key in a strategic position of the registry. You'll find that key easily by doing a forum search with "Vista Registry".
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Concorde Rules
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Posted - 2006.06.12 15:37:00 -
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There are NO DX10 cards out - or one that even support it, Vista is running in a DX9d or e mode on current hardware.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.06.14 15:44:00 -
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Vista Beta 2 doesnt even do a raw install on Nforce4 SLI based systems so well im holding off till Beta 3
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Sergej
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Posted - 2006.06.17 23:08:00 -
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I got it to run, reghack including, but it's not as stable as I'd want it to be. Vent was also causign problems due to bed sound drivers and system was in general slower, so I just decided to go back to XP. IMO, it's not worth it.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.06.18 23:26:00 -
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eve runs, with half the fps you get on xp.
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Toaster Bagel
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Posted - 2006.06.19 23:28:00 -
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Vista beta 2 does install on nForce 4 SLi (with SLI cards installed). It's just that the video driver is tricky to get logged in the first time. It's not actually hung when you're stuck at the black screen. Restart the machine in safemode so you can log in as administrator, turn off UAP, complete installation and create a user with no pass.
Then restart, you'll get stuck at the black screen, but fear not, if you have a user with no pass, just hit tab and then enter. If you do have a pass, hit tab, enter your password, and hit enter. If you joined the machine to a domain, hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, tab, then your password and then enter. Once you get logged in your desktop will appear properly, change the resolution to whatever you like it to be, when you reboot/logout, you'll not get stuck off screen.
And the reg hack works well. ATI cards suffer greatly but my nvidia cards aren't hurting too bad(can still use 4 monitors, but no SLI as of yet.)
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Buzam Calessa
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Posted - 2006.07.11 21:07:00 -
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New Beta 2 for Vista, EVE does run on it. Find the Apr DX9 install and run it. It adds the DX files it needs. The black box will stay for the first time for a short time to load the Agreement.
Also, only problem I have is that each time I run it, it is saying that DX9 is not installed. But it is, It runs, smoothly, and stable.
And I am running this on a old paperweight of mine;
Alienware M5500 P4 - 3.05 1GB mem Go5700 video card
Yea, my alienware is a paperweight, no video upgrades cause they discontinued it a month or two after I bought mine. CS sucks beyond compare. Would not take mine back after 6 months for a upgrade/purchase. Why they stopped that when they stopped the laptop I had. Love how they said they had all this stuff they quit it after they got my money.
But, back to topic, Yes, it takes a slight bit of work, but EVE will work on a Vista machine. And yes, I got the "open Beta" copy they just released.
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tribalmax 1992
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:42:00 -
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YOU BUNCH A NOOBS there is no DX10 available yet.... everything is still DX9 so wtf are you whining bout that DX version ???
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Hawk Majere
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Posted - 2006.07.18 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: tribalmax 1992 YOU BUNCH A NOOBS there is no DX10 available yet.... everything is still DX9 so wtf are you whining bout that DX version ???
If you have Vista, IT IS DX10 ONLY right now. So, to the public, you are correct. To those who have Vista (newest one) it has DX10 as it's base DX install.
Yes, all games out there right now are DX9, not DX10. But to get Vista with DX10 to play any games you have to install DX9c from Apr 2006, into vista for it to run any DX9 games. DX10 WILL NOT RUN DX9 stuff, because it is NOT backwards compatible.
Yell, noob all you want, but there is DX10 out there now within Vista.
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Andarus
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 18:56:00 -
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*Visual proof to support above poster*
*High resolution for people with poor vision*
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Marc Jade
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.07.26 05:54:00 -
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I too have had no luck with Vista and Eve, as of Vista Build 5384.4 (latest Beta2) x86... have not tried x64. (Black boxes, not executing, etc)
Setup as installed: Asus A8N32-SLI (nForce MCP430 chipset) AMD Athlon 3000+ @ 2200 MHz 1GB PC-3200 (DDR400 @ 433 MHz) nVidia 7600GT 256MB PCI-E x16 Windows Vista Ultimate Edition Beta 2 (Build 5384.4)
Haven't tried my current setup, but doubt there'll be much difference. Above setup scored a 4 using Vista's built-in benchmarking utility after I installed nvidia drivers for everything.
Anyone else feel that it should be renamed Windows Fisher Price Edition?
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xon minator
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:51:00 -
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This is to put my two-pennieth in.
The Vista Beta 2 was very buggy and still had a lot of debug code still in it (and this includes the DirectX code). I've just finished loading the latest version available to us MSDN developers set (ver 5472) and have managed to run up EVE OK with no registry hacks. The latest version appears to include both the DX10 and DX9.0c embedded into the core OS. I still get the warning about eve wanting 9.0b, but everything else seems to be OK.
As per general availablibility to run eve on vista, I would suggest that most people wait until the Beta 3 release which I gather will be possibly late Sept/early Oct (although I have heard that there may not be another beta release).
At the moment, i have only installed Vista 5472 on my laptop (AMD 3500, 2GB, ATI Mobility 200M) and plan to install it on the desktop later this week (AMD 4400, 2GB, 7600GT) so I will let you all know whether it works on NVIDIA chipset.
I know that most of you techies out there are itching to play eve on Vista, but from my brief playing on it today, Vista is not yet ready to have serious gaming on it. When I run eve on XP, total memory used is about 500Mb and is smooth. Running it under vista takes over 1.2Gb and is very jumpy (this is when orbiting within station, let alone what it's like in battle).
I'll let you know at the weekend what's it's like on a reasonably specced desktop and let you decide whether it's worth it.
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Systias
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Posted - 2006.08.01 03:10:00 -
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As I'm a techy independently contracted with various manufacturing companies, we were asked to look into how vista might look for future optimization of our machines. We were told by our business relations with microsoft 2GB is the ideal configuration for 64-bit Vista, we're told. Vista 32-bit will work ideally at 1GB, and minimum 512. (we were told the Beta varations were slightly less demanding than expected final shelf product if we wanted to try)
before the next section, my personal system.
2GB corsair ram, amd 64+ DC, Nvidia 7900 GTX x2 in SLI Asus-SLI Delux MOBO Soundblaster X-FI elite Pro with 64mb on-card memory 4 x intake fans, one on each side, top, and back. 5 x exaust fans, one on each side, top, back, and front. Micro-fiber mesh covering over a skeletal case frame.
Now EVE already has issues with memory, obvious by the slowing down after awhile. Running on 2 gigs though, I hardly notice this till the 3-4 hour mark, then I actually start getting slight hiccups when warping. (the UI lockups I've read about in other threads) Although normally warping, fighting, everything is seemlessly smooth, after long run time it just slowly gets worse.
When I had my old system with 512 RAM and was 1.8 ghz proc, I always felt these hiccups. And after about two hours, I was forced to reboot to get somewhat stable playability.
With the increased RAM requirements on the expected full release of Vista, I'm seeing this as in increased problem in Eve, less they do something about the memory leaks. Although I'm not too happy with how much of my ram even the beta version is using sitting idle, - 400MB of RAM right now. If the line for the 64bit is 2 gigs, all I can say is OUCH to high-end gaming, expect ram requirements to shoot up in the next 5 years.
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Encelaedus
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.09.15 14:24:00 -
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I'm looking at buying a notebook which will in part be used to run Eve. My dilemma is: do I buy it now and get XP Pro? Or do I wait and get Vista? I am not a tech professional and have no knowledge of the release status or any inside knowledge of what Microsoft is telling enterprise or other clients. I have a vague notion that Vista is Coming Soon (tm).
However, based on what I'm reading here, I'm getting the impression that if I want to run Eve, I should get XP Pro - I should not wait to get a system shipped with Vista. Am I correct?
encelaedus :: cogeco.ca ICQ 256429383 Sapienter si Sincere |
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Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.15 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Encelaedus I'm looking at buying a notebook which will in part be used to run Eve. My dilemma is: do I buy it now and get XP Pro? Or do I wait and get Vista? I am not a tech professional and have no knowledge of the release status or any inside knowledge of what Microsoft is telling enterprise or other clients. I have a vague notion that Vista is Coming Soon (tm).
However, based on what I'm reading here, I'm getting the impression that if I want to run Eve, I should get XP Pro - I should not wait to get a system shipped with Vista. Am I correct?
Depends really. If you're in a rush to get the laptop, go for it; it's unlikely you'll find a nonproblematic DX10 compliant videocard in the next 6 months for desktops, much less laptops. You can always upgrade to Vista anyway and with a bit of luck you can find a videocard that you can upgrade the laptop with (provided it supports that ofcourse). Waiting a couple months might save a bit of money (quadcores coming out possibly) but that's about it.
Vista "should" be out in Jan/Feb and it's apparently coming along quite well, judging from the public Release Candidate release (which I'm not installing for now, playing around with blackbox shell).
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Herbicida
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Posted - 2006.10.24 12:27:00 -
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Vista RC1 (build 5600) 64bit Running ok, but change of rights on EVE directory, all files and subdirs required to full access for user you are want run it.
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xon minator
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:50:00 -
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An Update.
Currently running Vista RC2 (build 5744) on both the laptop and desktop. EVE run's quite happily on both machines. Don't experience any real slowdown/lockups within the game itself. The only real problem I've had is with the wireless network within vista itself. It appears that when a second machine logs onto the wireless, you may lose the connection on the first, which then obviously kicks EVE. If you're on a wired network, then it shouldn't be a problem. I've even found that it doesn't need DX9 installed either and works with DX10 OK. The main thing I've found is with drivers. Wherever possible, keep to the Vista/Microsoft supplied drivers. As soon as you start installing the manufacturer's drivers, then the problems start. The only third party driver I've had to install is for a network NAS drive. Supposidly, I get a RTM version about NOV 15th, so I'll let you know then what the final version is like
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RiotRick
Black-Sun The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.29 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: RiotRick on 29/11/2006 09:52:48 I get lots of render errors. User icons get rendered as colored dots, same thing happens with lots of textures. I'm running vista rtm with the lates ati catalyst drivers on a mobility radeon x700. Performance seems a little bit slower than on xp, but not much.
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H3L1X
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:43:00 -
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EVE works great on Vista Ultimate x64 (6000 RTM). I run 2 clients constantly with a P4 640 EM64T, nForce4 SLI, Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS, Nvidia GF7800GT. Haven't noticed any graphic bugs or errors whatsoever.
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RiotRick
Black-Sun The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:49:00 -
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Found out what was causing the render errors. In the catalyst control center you have to change the setting for Catalyst A.I. from advanced (default) to standard. Then EVE will run without graphics errors. It's just a lot slower in Vista then it is in XP.
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Lozamoto
Gallente Impact Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:11:00 -
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EVE works really nicely on Vista. I mean REALLY nicely. I run it windowed, and the window updates with the live previews on the taskbar, and when you alt-tab and stuff. I'll post a couple of screenshots when I can be bothered to boot into Vista and re-patch EVE and all that.
As for the DX10 thing... yeah it has it, but as usual, it includes all the previous versions of DirectX. Anything you run on it will be using purely DX9c code. If anything it still seems a little faster to me than XP.
Once there's a decent selection of actual software for Vista, it's gonna be brilliant.
~Loza
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Natman
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Posted - 2007.02.05 22:33:00 -
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I have been attempting to get EVE running on the release version of Vista for a few days now with no luck. Regardless of what i try to do it simply just sits on "Acquiring Bulk Data" untill finally it will tell me the connection to the server is lost. I've run it as the administrator, I've given the user full rights to the ccp folder and sub folders. The reg key was already in there that was spoken of for fonts. I've even ran the application with windows xp compatabilty with no luck. I get the same result for everything.
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Armored
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.06 18:52:00 -
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I have a 2.8 P4, 2 gigs 533 ram and a nVidia 7900 GS, my soundcard is an old SoundBlaster Live! 5.1. I can run Eve (and all our other MMO's) with all the eye-candy on max. No problems at all whatsoever.
As you can see, my pc in not cutting edge, more like the middle-middle end of the spectrum and still it races along nicely, F.E.A.R. , HL2, all with no probs.
As far as performance, when i upgraded to more than a gig ram, my Vista actually outperformed my old XP. Now there are alot of sites out there now saying this and that about Vista etc, beleive what YOU want. But from my personal point of view: With 2 gigs ram, my Vista runs ALOT faster than XP. By a wide margin.
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari GETCO
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Posted - 2007.02.06 21:58:00 -
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I'm surprised somewhat that when asked what's new and cool with Vista, Bill G and others reply with "Sidebar" and "Making DVDs" and whatnot. There are some fantastic advantages to Vista that are namely under the hood, like ReadyBoost, Superfetching, the brandnew installer, a new hardware-driven GUI, not to mention the ton of performance improvements under the hood.
For that latter point, I would take a look at an article here. Russinovich is excellent when it comes to diving into the technical nitty gritty of OSs; and he has alot to show about Vista's inner workings. Hiring him and Cogswell was one of the best moves Microsoft ever made.
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