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Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.19 01:37:00 -
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What happened seriously?
Half of all 0.0 sov is held by Renters
NA./PBLRD/BOT
So many regions completely dominated by renters.
NC only have 2500 members in general yet over 6k in renters, P/L-BOT same sorta deal.
How long until pretty much most of 0.0 is renter corps, and its just 1 alliance vs another?
imo its pretty much ruined any sort of actual alliance warfare in regions.
Any thoughts? should this be limited? or will they continue to run all regions as renting alliances and have no room for new alliances/corps to step up? |
Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.19 05:55:00 -
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yes I know its about the isk, however don't you think this destroys the whole concept of 0.0 space, and alliance holding, these days all you need to do is get some people to pay you isk for a system that's apparently under some alliance protection.
Just destroys the game for tbh, don't get me wrong, good idea, great way to make isk. (no I aint jealous I don't need isk) I just want the concept of space out there owned by alliances who are ether allied to each other or fighting one another, atleast the alliance would have taken the space for themselves instead of just paying for it.
anyway I hope CCP put an end to the madness that is renting space. |
Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.19 21:47:00 -
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thanks for the thoughts, imo this game is about control, strategy and all im seeing is big alliances sitting in there space under no threat at all just pulling in billions of isk made by other alliances.
0.0 space used to be a place that was deadly and hard to maintain/control, now it just seems if you got cash u got space.
would bringing back POS sov control fix this? :) |
Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.20 03:19:00 -
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so what exactly was it that change so much to fall into this sorta chaos?
I remember the days of all of 0.0 held by alliances and most owned the whole region, everyone was at war with one another and it was a nice place to pvp in.
Now if you want to actually make an impact on an alliance in 0.0 hitting there renters won't really be very effective as they have so much ISK sitting in stores just rebuilding titans/supers as fast as they lose them.
renters paying 8 billion a month for maybe 1 or 2 systems its pretty much a new Supercarrier every 2 months just from 1-2 systems.. its just stupid.
No real threat to anything, and to be honest give it another 6-12 months there won't be any point in taking regions off alliances they will have so much money to just go back and take it again.
I figured losing a region or area of space is meant to cripple an alliance so they have to go away rebuild and come back, these days no need.
Take the invasion of N3/PL space down near Tenerifis, (oh look its all back in N3/PL's hands again) didn't take long did it.
0.0 space is free for all, now its turned into some government run alliance where u have to have permission to enter/build there? really...............sigh. |
Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.22 03:22:00 -
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I fully agree Duck,
The only problem now is that N3/PL/GOONS have so many renters 18k renters atm just for P/L/N3 alone paying isk into there wallets, even if CCP changed something to do with Sov or capitals etc.. the vast wealth of these alliances is so far gone that it won't matter how u nerf them they will still come out on top.
The only way i can see any of this changing is putting an actual stop on allowing to rent space to alliances/corps in 0.0, its a place to be earnt and fought for (like you mentioned duck) about BS fleets and the like.
The other issue i see is when is CCP going to make another region for the power blocs to take control of, there are so many regions of EVE that has an outpost!! look at provibloc that is the stupidest thing ive ever seen.
I realise that in the past you used to have 3 stations in 1 constellation to gain SOV 4 or 5 to then build a super capital maintenance array to build titans etc.. but since that has been remove the stations still remain and more and more are being built.
CCP what happens when pretty much all of 0.0 systems have a station in them, what happens to the station platform? does it become obsolete or do u build another region, so that the power blocs move in and then that region will be hot dropped with stations aswell.
Building a station/supercapital etc etc used to take alot of time, effort, skill and was greatly respected on the field, i see a titan now or a supercarrier and don't even bat and eyelid at it.... because i know tomorrow there will be another and another and another and pretty much one dies, someone will buy 2 more the next day...
In the end this game has become such a bore, can't get decent pvp action most of the time, if your a super pilot yep u get to see pvp but only when another coalition does a full scale invasion or ur just hot dropping those lonely drakes again.
CCP fix this crap before u start losing everyone to StarCitizen instead.!! |
Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.22 22:15:00 -
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but moons is one thing, however renting income is another... u nerf one they still got the other, kinda irrelevant if you ask me.
no disrespect CVA on the provibloc I meant that region has so many stations that I bet they aren't even being used how they were intended, its pretty much just a safe dock point for most of the pilots in the area to not be attacked.
starcitizen is around the corner, maybe ill invest in that instead....
eve just aint really getting any better after the past 10 years, except making the rich, richer, looking at making changes to things that aren't really broken and leaving the capital backbone of pretty much all of 0.0 to last to make modifications.
fix ships like the Nidhogger that have been here since the start!!!
tune in next time for more ranting and raving at crap that doesn't work in this game :) |
Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.23 02:57:00 -
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This is a direct result of the supercap/sov meta. Ultimately if the only way to successfully defend your space is to pack on the super firepower you need a lot of isk to do it.
there lies the broken mechanic? So you HAVE to have alot of SUPERCAPS in order to control 0.0 space? Well I don't think that was the complete intention of CCP's thoughts on 0.0!
0.0 has always been inhabited, its just now more any more corps/alliances don't have the ability anymore to even take space like we used to back in the day using battleship fleets etc and pos bashing with such dreads.
You don't own a super, you don't get space... don't tell me thats what the game has turned into.. so what went wrong here?
CCP made the supers to OP? Taking away POS sov control changed the mechanic of 0.0 warfare? allowing less small fleet engagements with something less than capitals?
Im sure most like myself don't want to play in a universe where you can't own/control something without having 100's billions of isk lying around to field a supercapital fleet to even stand a chance of owning a region/constellation (this excludes renting, doing it on your own)
Prob why more and more corps/alliances move to NPC null, its a great stepping stone but u can't make isk like u can in non NPC regions to build your HUGE super capital fleet and actually fight for a region.
I'm sure the post from the PL player isn't to fussed since his alliance isn't affected in anyway and pulls in alot of isk and he is having a wonderful time, however the other corps/alliances which make up what say 30-40% of the rest of eve, don't stand a chance lol
Finding solo ratters and explorers in rented space i don't classify as a great pvp fight, its boring enough trying to find them to begin with.
Invasions and regional wars make the impact however you got CFC and N3/PL thats it, no one else, no other threats, one side owns half the universe and the other side owns the other half, where is there room for others? |
Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.23 05:57:00 -
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Sorry if my ranting sounds bad, english isn't my first language.
What i am wanting is just information about when and what went wrong with eve 0.0 and hopefully write a document to CCP to organise getting some things rectified for all.
I believe there are alot of frustrations out there and would like to contribute to making eve a better place for all.
If i fail in my quest well then ill just have to play star citizen instead lol! |
Tirabi
Primary Industries TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.14 02:54:09 -
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I have just seen this thread again and its still ongoing!
wtf!
CCP can u please just lock it now, I think everyone has had there opinion on the matter and tbh we aren't getting anywhere and the whole renting thing has been explained.
Now its upto CCP to organise how they want to structure the game if they want to reduce renting or want people to start invading others space. |
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