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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:13:00 -
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New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!
But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore? |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
377
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:21:00 -
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Who said we couldn't? |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
102
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:22:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Who said we couldn't? DecShield says you cant |
Lachesis VII
Pitch Black. Shadow Cartel
8
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:27:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!
But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore?
Really? I don't see anything that's preventing you from hitting the F1 key in highsec while targeting another player. You just won't get your insurance payout anymore. Big deal. If you're serious about suicide ganking, do what we do, get BPOs for the ships and modules used and research them to minimize your costs.
It also helps if your goal when suicide ganking is psychological gain rather than financial gain. We gank because carebear tears are the most valuable item in all of EVE, and we have ISK to burn to extract them.
Additionally, the new Tier 3 battlecruisers are *perfect* suicide ganking ships.
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
102
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:29:00 -
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Lachesis VII wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!
But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore? Really? I don't see anything that's preventing you from hitting the F1 key in highsec while targeting another player. You just won't get your insurance payout anymore. Big deal. If you're serious about suicide ganking, do what we do, get BPOs for the ships and modules used and research them to minimize your costs. It also helps if your goal when suicide ganking is psychological gain rather than financial gain. We gank because carebear tears are the most valuable item in all of EVE, and we have ISK to burn to extract them. Additionally, the new Tier 3 battlecruisers are *perfect* suicide ganking ships.
How exactly do you intend to kill a highsec POS? This would take an incredible number of suicide ships, more then i suspect is even on sale in Jita |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
109
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:37:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:How exactly do you intend to kill a highsec POS? This would take an incredible number of suicide ships, more then i suspect is even on sale in Jita
Wow. After doing my share of nullsec POS bashing, I cant imagine anyone actually do it for fun. |
Jita Alt666
560
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:44:00 -
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What is the benefit of a high sec pos unless its for research? |
Palmput
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:47:00 -
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It matters because most of the balances and content coming with it are, well, good. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:48:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!
But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore?
So...by blowing up people you actually meant blowing up POSes? Personally I don't think they have any business being in highsec at all. But if they are they shouldn't be invulnerable.
Also, based on the pic linked below. Would it work if a 2nd corp also wardecced the POS owner to catch it when it comes out of reinforcement?
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Generals4
Caldari State
331
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:49:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!
But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore?
You still can. Harder =/= Impossible. And on top of that, i don't know, go pvp against people who want to in low/null/WH's. I know it's easier to pick on the weak kid but surely you can't handle pvp'ers as well, no?
EDIT: just noticed you talked about PoS's. Well ok that's a fair and valid point. But your OP still was a pretty huge hyperbole. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
104
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:49:00 -
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Research is a major moneymaker. You can fund accounts and pay for fuel simply by running POS's, and selling researched BPO's
You can now create an infinite number of POS's in highsec and nobody can ever blow them up
Reguardless of how boring POS bashing is, or if you think Research towers arnt valid targets. The fact remains they are 100% immune to pvp
That is not the eveonline i signed up for. When i started playing it was because of its hardcore pvp rules. Not because i could waltz around carefree |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
104
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:51:00 -
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Generals4 wrote: You still can. Harder =/= Impossible. And on top of that, i don't know, go pvp against people who want to in low/null/WH's. I know it's easier to pick on the weak kid but surely you can't handle pvp'ers as well, no?
Wrong.
You 100% can not blow up a Highsec POS anymore. They are 100% immune to wardecs. The only way to kill a Highsec POS is to suicide gank it. Im not sure anyone has the resources and time required to suicide gank a POS Refer to the image linked above for proof that highsec pos's are 100% immune to wardecs. |
Generals4
Caldari State
331
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:10:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Generals4 wrote: You still can. Harder =/= Impossible. And on top of that, i don't know, go pvp against people who want to in low/null/WH's. I know it's easier to pick on the weak kid but surely you can't handle pvp'ers as well, no?
Wrong. You 100% can not blow up a Highsec POS anymore. They are 100% immune to wardecs. The only way to kill a Highsec POS is to suicide gank it. Im not sure anyone has the resources and time required to suicide gank a POS Refer to the image linked above for proof that highsec pos's are 100% immune to wardecs.
Ye fair enough, that should be fixed, but my issue lies with the obvious lack of precision and hyperbole in the Original post, it was very misleading. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
110
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:12:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote: Reguardless of how boring POS bashing is, or if you think Research towers arnt valid targets. The fact remains they are 100% immune to pvp
Ahh. I never relised PVP was short for "person versus POS" |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:17:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Generals4 wrote: You still can. Harder =/= Impossible. And on top of that, i don't know, go pvp against people who want to in low/null/WH's. I know it's easier to pick on the weak kid but surely you can't handle pvp'ers as well, no?
Wrong. You 100% can not blow up a Highsec POS anymore. They are 100% immune to wardecs. The only way to kill a Highsec POS is to suicide gank it. Im not sure anyone has the resources and time required to suicide gank a POS Refer to the image linked above for proof that highsec pos's are 100% immune to wardecs. Ye fair enough, that should be fixed, but my issue lies with the obvious lack of precision and hyperbole in the Original post, it was very misleading.
And you can shot POS, its been known to happen... just keep it aggresed whole time...
Or just wardec all alliances and the corp / which are somehow connected * not sure if that work tho. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
105
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:21:00 -
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Thread is kind of getting derailed. My point was, what is the point of getting excited over the fancy new ships and images, when the game itself is degrading into something entirely different.
Its not just the Highsec War Immunity, its not just the lack of insurance for suicide gankers, its ALL of it added up. Its a constant movement towards turning eve into Hello Kitty in Space |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
169
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:32:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:
You can now create an infinite number of POS's in highsec and nobody can ever blow them up
want to know how i know you are talking out your ass?
moons, *****. MM Bombers, Best Bombers |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
342
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:53:00 -
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Infinite number of POS?
LAWL.
To win in high sec just simply have more money than them. If you dont see how to choke some over this then you dont deserve to have corporate warfare.
Either way I want one thing to happen though just to make things fair. When a pos flips ownership everything on it should reset.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
48
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:54:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!
But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore? You can't believe that the war-dec mechanic isn't getting looked at?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:05:00 -
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So just change the agression countdown after dropping the alliance to 60 hours before the wardec ends. problem solved. |
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Spurty
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
50
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:09:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!
But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore?
Apparently you asked the wrong question.
Answer is : no one cares or understands the point of your whine.
Solution : move to 0.0 and never fret over these limited value poses
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:19:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Thread is kind of getting derailed. My point was, what is the point of getting excited over the fancy new ships and images, when the game itself is degrading into something entirely different.
Its not just the Highsec War Immunity, its not just the lack of insurance for suicide gankers, its ALL of it added up. Its a constant movement towards turning eve into Hello Kitty in Space
your opinion and opinion of few others doesnt make it "ultimate truth"
You just cant satisfy everyone. WarDec shield is only "temporary" solution to relieve stupid petitions about it. It will get changed.
Anyway i somehow lack the understanding of : "why you want fight someone who does not want to fight back ? "
If you wardec corp who is willing to fight back they would make it mutual and both would have some added fun to their daily going. Wardecing someone who is not willing to compete is pointless and will lead to one output : Corp disbanded, people back in NPC. So basically your recless behaviour creating whole new line of carebears. And then you crying on forum that there are carebears in game.
Get over yourself and think from different perspectives.
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
105
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:29:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Anyway i somehow lack the understanding of : "why you want fight someone who does not want to fight back ? "
Isnt that what piracy is? I mean, isnt that really what any criminal activity is? Thats what i play eve for lol. So i can blow up people who dont want to be blown up. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:30:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Anyway i somehow lack the understanding of : "why you want fight someone who does not want to fight back ? "
Isnt that what piracy is? I mean, isnt that really what any criminal activity is? Thats what i play eve for lol. So i can blow up people who dont want to be blown up.
well than you dont need wardec mechanics at all...
With new super suicide gank buffs you are fine i guess.
But i agree and support complete overhauling of war dec mechanics. ..
pay to grief .. is not awesome pay to lose money in 24hrs .. is even less awesome. |
Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
53
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:44:00 -
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If you can't wardec anyone in high sec, does that also mean that FW can't kill each other in high sec? They are, after all, permadecced. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
247
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Posted - 2011.11.17 01:17:00 -
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Clearly War Decks are broken, and NOT working as intended. War Decs have always been terribad.
Winter is a cleaning up of years of neglect (well a lot of it is being fixed), give CCP some time to get the old crap fixed, then you'll see more War Dec Changes.
head to low sec for a bit. Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -áThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -áThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Viziam Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2011.11.17 01:18:00 -
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Decbear tears, best tears. |
Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2011.11.17 01:22:00 -
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"Fuck this, i'm going back to shooting fish in a barrel."
-OP |
Lola Humpsalot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.17 01:43:00 -
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What if you wardec the corp that owns the POS and at the same time the DecShield Alliance? |
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