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Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:00:00 - [1] Very simple idea...because the 425mm Railgun is the equivalent of the Mega Beam Laser, can we have a 500mm Railgun equivalent to the Tachyon Beam Laser? It wasn't an issue before, but now that Caldari are getting a railgun sniper Tier 3 battleship, it would be very useful. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Aeaus	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:03:00 - [2] As long as it does 8% more damage, uses 9% more cpu, 15% more powergrid, and 5% more capacitor. Or something close to that, to keep it inline with the Tachyons, and then we'd probably be needing a 1400mm artillery which follows the same pattern but actually gives less damage =) My Guides (Recomended Reading)
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:10:00 - [3] Wait, so you're saying that because Caldari are getting a dedicated sniping ship, they should be given guns to make that ship even more wtfhax, but when it was only Gallente using rails it "wasn't an issue"? Tachyons are considered a tier above all the other guns. Consider Dual 250mms to be low tier, 350mms medium tier, 425mms top tier, and Tachyons "Uber Tier". Besides, if you get a 500mm railgun, I get a 1600mm artillery, and you really don't want me to calculate the alpha strike of that beast. Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:15:00 - [4] 425mms already have more range than tachyons... --Proud member of the [23]-- Ferion kicks major arse.
Gierling	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:17:00 - [5] 625mm Railguns and 1600mm Artillery would be very nice, but would be almost impossible ot fit... I kinda like the idea but I really think it would open up a can of worms. Click Me And Me
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:17:00 - [6] So having 3 railguns to choose from isn't enough? Now you want to add a 4th?
Meridius	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Dark Shikari 425mms already have more range than tachyons... They want everything, more range, more damage, better damage types. Caldari, winning eve one whine at a time - _____
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Dark Shikari 425mms already have more range than tachyons... better damage types. ahemEXPLOSIVEcoughCRYSTALSsplutter
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Aeaus As long as it does 8% more damage, uses 9% more cpu, 15% more powergrid, and 5% more capacitor. Or something close to that, to keep it inline with the Tachyons, and then we'd probably be needing a 1400mm artillery which follows the same pattern but actually gives less damage =) Yes to all of the above. Originally by: Sarmaul Wait, so you're saying that because Caldari are getting a dedicated sniping ship, they should be given guns to make that ship even more wtfhax Just because it's a Caldari sniper does not make it "wtfhax". Caldari are supposed to be the specialists in long-range combat, there's no reason all three other races should be better at sniping. Originally by: Sarmaul but when it was only Gallente using rails it "wasn't an issue"? Correct. (A) The Gallente were using them on the Megathron, which is supposed to be a blaster ship, not railgun, evidenced by: --(1) The current bonuses being to hybrid damage and tracking, tracking being useful for close range blasters but not particularly useful to sniping with railguns. --(2) The original bonuses being to blasters specifically, rather than hybrids in general. (B) The Megathron is only a Tier 2 battleship, while the Roc will be a Tier 3 battleship. Originally by: "Sarmaul" I get a 1600mm artillery, and you really don't want me to calculate the alpha strike of that beast. So long as it has the requisite 30-second RoF Originally by: Dark Shikari 425mms already have more range than tachyons... Only slightly, and the DPS advantage more than outweighs it. Originally by: Toaster Oven So having 3 railguns to choose from isn't enough? Now you want to add a 4th? Yes. Mostly because the Dual 250mm Railgun is so useless that I don't even count it, so I REALLY have 2 battleship-class railguns to choose frome. I'd love to throw the Dual 250 away entirely, in exchange for having a 500mm Railgun available. Originally by: Gierling 625mm Railguns and 1600mm Artillery would be very nice No, 500mm, not 625mm. 350mm + 75mm = 425mm. 425mm + 75mm = 500mm. (Dual 250's obviously don't count because they're DUAL barrel weapons.) Originally by: Gierling but would be almost impossible ot fit... On a Tier 1, just about impossible. On a Tier 2, difficult. On a Tier 3...well, it should work relatively well, about as easily as a full rack of Tachyon Beams will fit on a Tier 3 Abbaddon battleship. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:35:00 - [10] I'd like to throw away the 1200mm railgun and add 1600mm and 1800mm. sadly, it ain't gonna happen unless I somehow get tuxford's job.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:44:00 - [11] I think just adding 1600mm Artillery would be enough...besides, 1800mm artillery would probably be impossible to fit, even on a Tier 3... -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Gierling	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:46:00 - [12] dual 250's should have significantly lower signature resolution. Click Me And Me
Kyguard	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:47:00 - [13] So let me see here. You have missiles. You have EW. You have most of the best ships in the game.. and now you want a tachyon beam railgun equivalent? Might as well remove Amarr from Eve. Caldari whiner === God is on the side with the best arti
Meridius	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Dark Shikari 425mms already have more range than tachyons... better damage types. ahemEXPLOSIVEcoughCRYSTALSsplutter What explosive crystals, stop teasing me - _____
Kai Jyokoroi	Posted - 2006.06.04 01:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Kyguard So let me see here. You have missiles. You have EW. You have most of the best ships in the game.. and now you want a tachyon beam railgun equivalent? Might as well remove Amarr from Eve. Caldari whiner Haha _____________ The day I receive my first moderator forum-sig hijack is the day I realise I have won Eve. Stain Alliance diplomat
Frools	Posted - 2006.06.04 02:00:00 - [16] sure, if we get tachyon pulses (you got neutrons )
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.06.04 02:02:00 - [17] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 04/06/2006 02:03:29 Originally by: Frools sure, if we get tachyon pulses (you got neutrons ) Well actually Gallente get neutrons... But yeah, sure, I don't see why not. EDIT: That is, of course, ONLY assuming that mega pulses line up to ions, not neutrons. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.06.04 02:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Kyguard You have missiles. You have EW. That's completely irrelevant to this discussion. Missiles are useful on Ravens. EW is useful on Scorpions. Railguns are useful on Tier 3's. Missiles and EW are irrelevant for the Tier 3 battleship, just like railguns are irrelevant for the Raven. You can only fly one ship at a time, so no, I don't have missiles AND EW already. This ship will JUST have the 425's, which need a Tier 3 version. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
jbob2000	Posted - 2006.06.04 02:16:00 - [19] Actually, the 350mm Rail is the "mega beam", the 425mm is the tachy
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.06.04 02:18:00 - [20] Originally by: jbob2000 Actually, the 350mm Rail is the "mega beam", the 425mm is the tachy You didn't click the link in the OP, did you? -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.04 02:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Aeaus As long as it does 8% more damage, uses 9% more cpu, 15% more powergrid, and 5% more capacitor. Or something close to that, to keep it inline with the Tachyons, and then we'd probably be needing a 1400mm artillery which follows the same pattern but actually gives less damage =) Isn't there already a 1400mm arty?
FFGR	Posted - 2006.06.04 03:34:00 - [22] Quote: I'd like to throw away the 1200mm railgun and add 1600mm and 1800mm. Boy, somebody didn't slept yet Railguns are fine, don't tweak them or add new ones. _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Philip Sterling	Posted - 2006.06.04 03:44:00 - [23] bad idea, rails are fine just the way they are. If you don't like it, try being a real man and using blasters :p
Audri Fisher	Posted - 2006.06.04 03:57:00 - [24] If I recall correctly, Tach's are supposed to be the "Be all end all" of turrents becuase Amarr are almost exclusively turrents. every other race splits between 2 weapon systems, however Amarr ships with only a few exceptions are turrent users. Heck the Armageddon doesn't even get a missle slot does it? I am training up for the teir 3 Caldari ship, and all nessesary support skills currently. I am fine with 425's as they are, well maybe lose 5-10% of there cap use. Besides, I don't ever want to get hit by 1600mm tech II arty, EVER.
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.06.04 04:51:00 - [25] Originally by: Audri Fisher Besides, I don't ever want to get hit by 1600mm tech II arty, EVER. I don't even want to do a theoretical volley calc on that. >_< Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.06.04 04:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Dark Shikari 425mms already have more range than tachyons... They want everything, more range, more damage, better damage types. Caldari, winning eve one whine at a time wtb caldari battleship with rail bonuses... o wait.. ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.06.04 05:00:00 - [27] in the past devs stated that Tachs where supposed to be more damaging that other high end long range guns. so is not that 425mm or 1400mm are "underpowered", is just that is designed that way. also consider that ship bonuses balance the damage a bit, amarr ships need a cap usage bonus to be able to use well their guns so actually they lose a bonus that can be applied to boost turrets dps. thacs are also quite problematic to fit so is not so easy to get the best out of these turrets.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.06.04 05:07:00 - [28] rumor has it that there will be new "tier 3" guns. ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD
Meridius	Posted - 2006.06.04 06:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Jim Raynor Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Dark Shikari 425mms already have more range than tachyons... They want everything, more range, more damage, better damage types. Caldari, winning eve one whine at a time wtb caldari battleship with rail bonuses... o wait.. Where did i say there shouldn't be a Caldari rail bs? Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Kyguard You have missiles. You have EW. That's completely irrelevant to this discussion. Missiles are useful on Ravens. EW is useful on Scorpions. EW isn't usefull on Ravens? lol - _____
Foulis	Posted - 2006.06.04 06:46:00 - [30] /me counts number of railguns /me counts number of artillery Yeah, but first we need 1600mm and 1800mm arty =/. Make 1200mm into dual 720mms. ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies

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