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Greckor Arrkana
Rapture of Eden
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Posted - 2014.05.26 14:58:00 -
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Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
524
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Posted - 2014.05.26 14:59:00 -
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VAT is a *****. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22208
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:00:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:If someone could explain why? Because Amazon is evil?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Solely Project
State War Academy Caldari State
342
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:01:00 -
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This has been talked about already over and over again!
If you cared about knowing instead of ranting, you would've used google!
Try it! |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3591
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:03:00 -
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Some has the statistics for average income? Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4569
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:03:00 -
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-ú>$ "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Winchester Steele
1169
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:04:00 -
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What a new and interesting topic that has never ever been discussed here before. ... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4570
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:12:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote: isn't fair
I agree
Lets make it fair then, shall we?
CCP! We demand you increase all PLEX to the most expensive rate IMMEADIATELY! "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Greckor Arrkana
Rapture of Eden
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:13:00 -
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You guys are exceedingly helpful and friendly! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4570
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:15:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:You guys are exceedingly helpful and friendly!
Edit: And to those who do help, thanks.
Why would PLEX prices be under different rules for any other commodity?
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6534
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:17:00 -
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I suggest you write your MP, or whatever passes for a Congressman in Germany.
Because their weird intra-EU tariffs are your most likely culprit.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Greckor Arrkana
Rapture of Eden
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:20:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:You guys are exceedingly helpful and friendly!
Edit: And to those who do help, thanks. Why would PLEX prices be under different rules for any other commodity?
Removing VAT from the equation it is still -ú74.99. Vat isn't -ú30. |
Solace Project
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
386
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:22:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:You guys are exceedingly helpful and friendly!
Edit: And to those who do help, thanks. You have done nothing to help yourself, else you wouldn't have started this thread. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4571
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:23:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:You guys are exceedingly helpful and friendly!
Edit: And to those who do help, thanks. Why would PLEX prices be under different rules for any other commodity? Removing VAT from the equation it is still -ú74.99. Vat isn't -ú30.
Actually it would be -ú72
And that's not what I said or meant
$/-ú/Eurobuck prices always differ widely
Why should PLEX be any different?
Also no need to get rude with us. You asked a question that none of us have a definative answer to (as we dont work for CCP) and then you call us unhelpful when we make our suggestions. "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Dave Stark
6012
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:31:00 -
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pretty sure it's because prices in $ never include the relevant sales taxes etc. |
Adunh Slavy
1420
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:41:00 -
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Blame your government, not CCP. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
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CCP Falcon
7248
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:54:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there.
CCP do not control or set amazon's prices, they buy PLEX from us, then resell at their own prices.
As for the discrepancy between US and EU prices, by law EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in.
US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower.
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Greckor Arrkana
Rapture of Eden
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:55:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:You guys are exceedingly helpful and friendly!
Edit: And to those who do help, thanks. Why would PLEX prices be under different rules for any other commodity? Removing VAT from the equation it is still -ú74.99. Vat isn't -ú30. Actually it would be -ú72 And that's not what I said or meant $/-ú/Eurobuck prices always differ widely Why should PLEX be any different? Also no need to get rude with us. You asked a question that none of us have a definative answer to (as we dont work for CCP) and then you call us unhelpful when we make our suggestions.
You are being helpful. Even the person telling me to google it is helpful. I realize this is a commonly raised issue. And that you guys must get bored answering the same question. But i am confused in the need of comments referring to the originality. I am sure that you could read the first line a realise that i am a massive idiot and not decide to comment. I understand and really don't care. Useless comments (Which clearly is ironic for me to say) is where that response was aimed.
Regarding the fact that prices do vary i completely agree. But you are talking about ISK, a separate virtual currency. So there should be an exchange rate for:
USD> ISK 6668571.97294 EURO>ISK 5701718.66091 GBP>ISP 4617718.84689
Average: 5662669.82691
On average exchange rate: USA: +15.08% GER: +0.68% UK: -22.6%
These differences are substantial! And there are plenty of examples of prices remaining balances through exchange rates. For example steam is rather good at this.
EDIT: Thanks for the answer CCP Falcon |
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CCP Falcon
7248
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:58:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:EDIT: Thanks for the answer CCP Falcon
No worries! xD
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Emma Muutaras
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.05.26 16:00:00 -
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get a proxy that shows your in the US and buy at the lower rate? not sure if thats legal though as your kinda avoiding the tax you should pay |
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Greckor Arrkana
Rapture of Eden
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Posted - 2014.05.26 16:04:00 -
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Emma Muutaras wrote:get a proxy that shows your in the US and buy at the lower rate? not sure if thats legal though as your kinda avoiding the tax you should pay
Have to use american payment method. Doesn't work with paypal or my card :( |
Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
68
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Posted - 2014.05.26 16:18:00 -
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Plex are way overpriced anyway,
You can buy a years subscription for -ú89.99.
But for the same price you only get 6 months worth of Plex.
If you buy ETC from shatteredCrystal.com and then convert the ETC ingame to plax you get them for Gé¼76.91 or -ú62.32. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
376
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:00:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:But you are talking about ISK, a separate VIRTUAL currency. Highlighted the important part. |
John Ending
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:05:00 -
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USA #1 |
Marsha Mallow
756
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:06:00 -
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There should be an explanation about pricing somewhere on the knowledgebase. I've just had a quick look and it's not mentioned.
It does look unfair from a UK/EU perspective, particularly when Amazon run promos we can't access (and slip up and price them at 10% of the price they intended) :P If there's no permenant/official clarification on the available Wiki/knowledgebase these queries will just keep rolling in. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
ElSuerte Diego
Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:41:00 -
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I'm kinda surprised that nobody's tried to arbitrage this. |
Cypherous
Evil Monkey Asylum Exploding Supremacy
89
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:56:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:You guys are exceedingly helpful and friendly!
Edit: And to those who do help, thanks. Why would PLEX prices be under different rules for any other commodity? Removing VAT from the equation it is still -ú74.99. Vat isn't -ú30. Actually it would be -ú72 And that's not what I said or meant $/-ú/Eurobuck prices always differ widely Why should PLEX be any different? Also no need to get rude with us. You asked a question that none of us have a definative answer to (as we dont work for CCP) and then you call us unhelpful when we make our suggestions. You are being helpful. Even the person telling me to google it is helpful. I realize this is a commonly raised issue. And that you guys must get bored answering the same question. But i am confused in the need of comments referring to the originality. I am sure that you could read the first line a realise that i am a massive idiot and not decide to comment. I understand and really don't care. Useless comments (Which clearly is ironic for me to say) is where that response was aimed. Regarding the fact that prices do vary i completely agree. But you are talking about ISK, a separate virtual currency. So there should be an exchange rate for: USD> ISK 6668571.97294EURO>ISK 5701718.66091GBP>ISP 4617718.84689Average: 5662669.82691 On average exchange rate: USA: +15.08% GER: +0.68% UK: -22.6% These differences are substantial! And there are plenty of examples of prices remaining balances through exchange rates. For example steam is rather good at this. EDIT: Thanks for the answer CCP Falcon
CCP doesn't price anything with relation to actual ingame ISK, why would they :P |
Onictus
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Black Legion.
907
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:56:00 -
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ElSuerte Diego wrote:I'm kinda surprised that nobody's tried to arbitrage this.
By the OP's numbers I save about $10 the price that I pay after taxes and international purchase fees would be something like $114. Use sales taxes are leved by the states NOT the Federal level, this is why you don't have to include taxes, you would have to list 50 separte States plus the territories. |
Bohneik Itohn
Periphery Bound
193
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:28:00 -
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Kind of overlooking the fact that the tax rate between each country varies greatly, and that tax rates in the U.S. vary from state to state.
Amazon.com accepted paypal, last I checked? Freyya:
Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?! |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1499
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:30:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:... cost of 6 Plex ....
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
Russia: 3299 RUB ($96.2) in Eve Online PLEX Store.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Bohneik Itohn
Periphery Bound
193
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:32:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:... cost of 6 Plex ....
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
Russia: 3299 RUB ($96.2) in Eve Online PLEX Store.
There you go, now you have to hate the Russians. Freyya:
Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?! |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
713
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:53:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:
Regarding the fact that prices do vary i completely agree. But you are talking about ISK, a separate virtual currency. So there should be an exchange rate for:
USD> ISK 6668571.97294 EURO>ISK 5701718.66091 GBP>ISP 4617718.84689
Average: 5662669.82691
On average exchange rate: USA: +15.08% GER: +0.68% UK: -22.6%
This is relevant to... absolutely nothing. CCP is selling game time, in the form of plex, for real money. The real money price is set by the concerns of the real world, where there are things like VAT, varying tax rates, and CCPs requirement for income.
Players are selling game-time, in the form of plex, for virtual internet spaceship money. The price is determined by supply and demand in the virtual marketplace in the virtual internet spaceship world.
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Eli Hakomairos
Creeper Co. Forkoff
29
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Posted - 2014.05.26 21:02:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there. try using the US amazon. |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
112
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Posted - 2014.05.26 21:35:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there.
VAT, but if you're in the EU, just order from the US, $31.49 for 2 PLEX on retailers, which comes down to$94.47 (69Gé¼ at today's rate). Electronic goods which are not bundled with physical goods are techincally under customs fee + VAT, but unless you use the codes to run a company, it's fully legal to dodge the VAT this way. |
Mardris Fol
Den Sorte Loge Redrum Fleet
2
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:40:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there. The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in. US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower.
UK VAT is 20%
The ex-VAT price for the UK is $151.59 / 1.2 = 126$, which is still more than 20% above the US price.
Then allow for the fact that US sales tax is less than half the US sales tax and it just gets worse.
Of course $/-ú rate fluctuates but it's never so bad that the PLEX prices are close. |
Hugs Kansene
0
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:44:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote: it's fully legal to dodge the VAT this way.
But how can you sleep at night knowing you're depriving your dearly beloved welfare states of much needed funding? I'm sure a bureaucrat somewhere is going to go without his caviar and brie because of you. Think about that.
Mardris Fol wrote:
Then allow for the fact that US sales tax is less than half the US sales tax and it just gets worse.
lol |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1500
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Posted - 2014.05.26 23:04:00 -
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Bohneik Itohn wrote:March rabbit wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:... cost of 6 Plex ....
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
Russia: 3299 RUB ($96.2) in Eve Online PLEX Store. There you go, now you have to hate the Russians. that's ok.... everybody hates us already The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
1832
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Posted - 2014.05.27 00:02:00 -
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LUXURIES are bad, mmmmmkay ? Games, like booze and smokes, are a luxury ... ergo, you get taxed... bad, bad, bad.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5355
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Posted - 2014.05.27 00:29:00 -
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Yet another reason to learn Russian Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1265
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Posted - 2014.05.27 01:38:00 -
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People keep saying tax, yet every time I buy from a US reseller only the listed price comes out of my account, no extra tax....... |
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
226
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:21:00 -
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Buying stuff online in the US is mostly free of tax. But they are trying to change this... |
Komi Toran
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:45:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:People keep saying tax, yet every time I buy from a US reseller only the listed price comes out of my account, no extra tax....... Because, generally, it is legally your responsibility to pay the use tax to your state, not the online retailers'. (although it's not uncommon for states to require online retailers to collect sales taxes on sales within state when the retailer has a physical presence there).
Of course, few people do this, so, in practice, it's often "tax free." |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
16
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Posted - 2014.05.27 03:58:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:EDIT: Thanks for the answer CCP Falcon No worries! xD
Another thing to consider is online sales in the us don't have sales tax unless the vendor is physically located in your state. |
Sibyyl
Brave Collective
1323
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Posted - 2014.05.27 04:41:00 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Another thing to consider is online sales in the us don't have sales tax unless the vendor is physically located in your state. Many states (like mine) have changed this law and many more are expected to follow. Travel to exotic solar systems, meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture, and strip ore from their ship hulls. Join BOVRL. Blood Miners take SOV.-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15662
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Posted - 2014.05.27 05:18:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there. The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in. US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower.
When did the uk VAT rate go up to 44.4 percent? I missed that announcement. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Ren Coursa
Rapid Withdrawal
18
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Posted - 2014.05.27 06:27:00 -
[46] - Quote
My, completely unhelpful and sort of dickish, 2 cents is that if this discrepancy in price bothers you and your finances enough to take it to the forums, you probably shouldn't be spending the money on a game either way. |
Talia Prime
Imperial Militia
33
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Posted - 2014.05.27 07:54:00 -
[47] - Quote
Hint: Don't buy from Amazon. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10767
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Posted - 2014.05.27 08:17:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:Buying stuff online in the US is mostly free of tax. But they are trying to change this...
This isn't entirely true. Vendors pay a sales tax for goods they sell to consumers in their home state, and consumers are expected to pay a use tax for goods they consume in one state but purchase in another. But most consumers are unaware of use taxes and end up not paying them. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1104
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Posted - 2014.05.27 11:30:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players. The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in. US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower. When did the uk VAT rate go up to 44.4 percent? I missed that announcement. Please note that OP is using Amazon prices.
Amazon are free to set their own prices for any market they operate in.
CCP can't force any reseller to use the same price globally, nor can they force any reseller to offer the same deals everywhere.
CCP can control their own prices, both to end users and to resellers, but not what margin the resellers add.
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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Rystan Wildstar
Deep Core Mineral Extraction Eagle Cross
13
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Posted - 2014.05.27 13:33:00 -
[50] - Quote
Lors Dornick wrote:Malcanis wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players. The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in. US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower. When did the uk VAT rate go up to 44.4 percent? I missed that announcement. Please note that OP is using Amazon prices. Amazon are free to set their own prices for any market they operate in. CCP can't force any reseller to use the same price globally, nor can they force any reseller to offer the same deals everywhere. CCP can control their own prices, both to end users and to resellers, but not what margin the resellers add.
The Amazon price is generally the same as if I log into my account and buy directly from CCP. I've seen the 2 pack on sale once for $4 less on Amazon back in April for a few days. I'm going to add the 6 pack to my watched list and see if Amazon does a sale on those. |
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Eurynome Mangeiri
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2014.05.27 13:40:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there. The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in. US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower. yeah, sure.
now please go do the math, and read your own post again.
yes, you can hide in my pocket....... |
Locii
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
38
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Posted - 2014.05.27 14:32:00 -
[52] - Quote
http://www.evetimecode.com
they don't care where you live and sell to you in $. if your not American never buy plex directly from ccp |
Aralez
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
33
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Posted - 2014.05.27 15:05:00 -
[53] - Quote
Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there.
cause frankly USA is awesome... till you get a medical bill. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2774
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Posted - 2014.05.27 16:33:00 -
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Andski wrote:Unezka Turigahl wrote:Buying stuff online in the US is mostly free of tax. But they are trying to change this... This isn't entirely true. Vendors pay a sales tax for goods they sell to consumers in their home state, and consumers are expected to pay a use tax for goods they consume in one state but purchase in another. But most consumers are unaware of use taxes and end up not paying them.
Correct. Just because most people fail to pay their sales and use tax liability does not mean that it doesn't exist. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3202
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Posted - 2014.05.27 19:43:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote: isn't fair I agree Lets make it fair then, shall we? CCP! We demand you increase all PLEX to the most expensive rate IMMEADIATELY! This is usually what happens when there's a protest about unequal treatment. "It's not fair, the employees in Subsidiary Company X get more of their insurance premiums paid for than we do in Subsidiary Y!" Solution: Eliminate the benefit for the guys in Subsidiary X, now everybody pays the same higher rate. "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |
Varesk
Carried Hate
557
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Posted - 2014.05.27 21:43:00 -
[56] - Quote
Merrica,
****,
Yeah!
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Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:13:00 -
[57] - Quote
Varesk wrote:Merrica,
****,
Yeah!
Technically, it's:
'Murica! **** Yea! |
Zorena
The Red Circle Inc.
7
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:31:00 -
[58] - Quote
And FInland/+àland islands have to pay Gé¼104.97.. 143 U.S. dollars |
D'Kelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:17:00 -
[59] - Quote
Don't forget guys that a lot of countries are strapped for cash; But they excel in their ability to tax you any which way and more, so as any chancellor from any country needs to increase his/her countries income with the absolute minimum of effort this is one lucrative way for it to be done. cynical? maybe, but there it is. however the base rate of the virtual product less any tax unique to any local bandit, er sorry, ahem tax /revenue system should be the same it should not cost any more at PRE TAX rate to sell in Australia, China, America, UK, Germany etc. only the tax added later should make a difference, unless a company is pitching a product upon a perception that country 'A' can afford a product more than in country 'B' or are attempting to sway/encourage a given customer base by a base price difference. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
58
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Posted - 2014.06.02 16:21:00 -
[60] - Quote
Zorena wrote:And FInland/+àland islands have to pay Gé¼104.97.. 143 U.S. dollars
Finland Finland Finland. The country where I want to beeeee your mountains so lofty............. |
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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
36
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Posted - 2014.06.16 09:45:00 -
[61] - Quote
Ren Coursa wrote:My, completely unhelpful and sort of dickish, 2 cents is that if this discrepancy in price bothers you and your finances enough to take it to the forums, you probably shouldn't be spending the money on a game either way.
Oh I love this response.
Seriously
Its a bit like saying to an African American in the 50's "if you don't want to be segregated you shouldn't have been born black, there's no point complaining about it, just get to the back of the bus."
I'll give you kudos though for realising that your post was "unhelpful and sort of dickish". Can't fault someone for being honest
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2315
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Posted - 2014.06.16 09:52:00 -
[62] - Quote
Mithandra wrote:Ren Coursa wrote:My, completely unhelpful and sort of dickish, 2 cents is that if this discrepancy in price bothers you and your finances enough to take it to the forums, you probably shouldn't be spending the money on a game either way. Oh I love this response. Seriously Its a bit like saying to an African American in the 50's "if you don't want to be segregated you shouldn't have been born black, there's no point complaining about it, just get to the back of the bus." I'll give you kudos though for realising that your post was "unhelpful and sort of dickish". Can't fault someone for being honest You must be nuts.
These two things have no connection whatsoever. The one is about racism and being born black, the other is about being poor (which isn't genetics) or simply being greedy (which isn't genetics either).
He is absolutely right when he concludes that the person in question probably shouldn't spend the money, if this minor issue bothers him so much. That's honest, direct and ... unlike what you try to connect here ... ... it's not racist at all.
What kind of mind comes up with such an analogy anyway?
Please try again, but next time with something that makes sense. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
124
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Posted - 2014.06.16 10:00:00 -
[63] - Quote
Hugs Kansene wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote: it's fully legal to dodge the VAT this way. But how can you sleep at night knowing you're depriving your dearly beloved welfare states of much needed funding? I'm sure a bureaucrat somewhere is going to go without his caviar and brie because of you. Think about that.
Easily, I close my eyes and think of the 46% which is taken off my income to cover all "important" taxes already. |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
36
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Posted - 2014.06.16 10:10:00 -
[64] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Mithandra wrote:Ren Coursa wrote:My, completely unhelpful and sort of dickish, 2 cents is that if this discrepancy in price bothers you and your finances enough to take it to the forums, you probably shouldn't be spending the money on a game either way. Oh I love this response. Seriously Its a bit like saying to an African American in the 50's "if you don't want to be segregated you shouldn't have been born black, there's no point complaining about it, just get to the back of the bus." I'll give you kudos though for realising that your post was "unhelpful and sort of dickish". Can't fault someone for being honest You must be nuts. These two things have no connection whatsoever. The one is about racism and being born black, the other is about being poor (which isn't genetics) or simply being greedy (which isn't genetics either). He is absolutely right when he concludes that the person in question probably shouldn't spend the money, if this minor issue bothers him so much. That's honest, direct and ... unlike what you try to connect here ... ... it's not racist at all. What kind of mind comes up with such an analogy anyway? Please try again, but next time with something that makes sense.
Sigh. you again :)
Its a valid analogy if you take the time to think with your forebrain and not your behind..... brain.
I'll break it down for you.
The post I quoted was at its root basically saying that if you have to complain about it, you shouldn't be doing it.
My analogy was merely to highlight the fact that regardless of what other people think, there is always a point in complaining if you think you are being discriminated against, or actually are being discriminated against.
Whether the complaint is over the cost of an apple, your child being refused entry to a school because of your income bracket, racism, sexism, any of the other isms..... the cost of a plex.
The nature of the complaint matters not. What matters is that if ENOUGH people see what they perceive as an injustice and decide to do something about it, it CAN be changed.
I fail to see how either my post , the post I quoted or the ops post is (as you say) about being born poor, or simply being greedy.
As to what sort of mind comes up with such an analogy anyway? Simple, one that works. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2315
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Posted - 2014.06.16 10:13:00 -
[65] - Quote
Mithandra wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Mithandra wrote:Ren Coursa wrote:My, completely unhelpful and sort of dickish, 2 cents is that if this discrepancy in price bothers you and your finances enough to take it to the forums, you probably shouldn't be spending the money on a game either way. Oh I love this response. Seriously Its a bit like saying to an African American in the 50's "if you don't want to be segregated you shouldn't have been born black, there's no point complaining about it, just get to the back of the bus." I'll give you kudos though for realising that your post was "unhelpful and sort of dickish". Can't fault someone for being honest You must be nuts. These two things have no connection whatsoever. The one is about racism and being born black, the other is about being poor (which isn't genetics) or simply being greedy (which isn't genetics either). He is absolutely right when he concludes that the person in question probably shouldn't spend the money, if this minor issue bothers him so much. That's honest, direct and ... unlike what you try to connect here ... ... it's not racist at all. What kind of mind comes up with such an analogy anyway? Please try again, but next time with something that makes sense. Sigh. you again :) Its a valid analogy if you take the time to think with your forebrain and not your behind..... brain. I'll break it down for you. The post I quoted was at its root basically saying that if you have to complain about it, you shouldn't be doing it. My analogy was merely to highlight the fact that regardless of what other people think, there is always a point in complaining if you think you are being discriminated against, or actually are being discriminated against. Whether the complaint is over the cost of an apple, your child being refused entry to a school because of your income bracket, racism, sexism, any of the other isms..... the cost of a plex. The nature of the complaint matters not. What matters is that if ENOUGH people see what they perceive as an injustice and decide to do something about it, it CAN be changed. I fail to see how either my post , the post I quoted or the ops post is (as you say) about being born poor, or simply being greedy. As to what sort of mind comes up with such an analogy anyway? Simple, one that works. So much text to explain it is already proof in itself that it was bad.
Anyhow ... what you THOUGHT you're telling ... wasn't what you were telling.
I know that you won't realize this, but keep trying. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1220
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Posted - 2014.06.16 10:41:00 -
[66] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in.
And that is done by converting dollars into euros, no matter what country you are in... i really think that explanation needs more... psssshhhh
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
834
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Posted - 2014.06.16 10:47:00 -
[67] - Quote
There is a surprising concern with fairness (its not fair some people get plex Cheaper, its not fair older players are so much better at PvP, its not fair some people have the time to grind missions and play for free, learning implants are unfair as new players cannot afford them) in a game that basically is about scamming people, ripping them off, infiltrating corps and sabotagingand stealing and/or setting up ambushes and battles where you badly outclass and out number your opponents. |
Acac Sunflyier
Control-Space DARKNESS.
665
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Posted - 2014.06.16 11:05:00 -
[68] - Quote
Use paypal maybe? or somehow do the commerce in the US while overseas? |
Heinrich Erquilenne
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.06.16 12:00:00 -
[69] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote:Use paypal maybe? or somehow do the commerce in the US while overseas?
Are you seriously suggesting someone to do something illegal on a public forum?
Side note/funny question: do you think public servants and private corporations should work for free for you and your country? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5421
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Posted - 2014.06.16 12:19:00 -
[70] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote:Use paypal maybe? or somehow do the commerce in the US while overseas?
You aren't wanting to avoid tax, you just want to evade tax, right?
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"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
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Alexander Thorsen
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.16 14:41:00 -
[71] - Quote
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:Side note/funny question: do you think public servants and private corporations should work for free for you and your country?
Nope. Absolutely not. But the question becomes, are their jobs actually necessary to the basic functioning of the government and its essential needs or are they, by the given definition, surplus to requirements. If the latter, RIF their job.
I really don't understand why Euros pay so much in taxes. By and large your populations and land mass are far smaller, your currency is a lot stronger, and access to natural resources doesn't require that ships cross an ocean. I mean, it's not like you have functioning militaries or anything, at least not by the American definition. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5423
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Posted - 2014.06.16 14:48:00 -
[72] - Quote
Alexander Thorsen wrote:Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:Side note/funny question: do you think public servants and private corporations should work for free for you and your country? Nope. Absolutely not. But the question becomes, are their jobs actually necessary to the basic functioning of the government and its essential needs or are they, by the given definition, surplus to requirements. If the latter, RIF their job. I really don't understand why Euros pay so much in taxes. By and large your populations and land mass are far smaller, your currency is a lot stronger, and access to natural resources doesn't require that ships cross an ocean. I mean, it's not like you have functioning militaries or anything, at least not by the American definition.
No, ours are functioning by an actual definition
And we have better (as in actual) public services
But this conversation belongs in OOPE, not GD "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
629
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Posted - 2014.06.16 15:07:00 -
[73] - Quote
Plex prices across currencies will always vary because real world currency exchange rates vary. Balance is an illusion. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Heinrich Erquilenne
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:52:00 -
[74] - Quote
Alexander Thorsen wrote:Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:Side note/funny question: do you think public servants and private corporations should work for free for you and your country? Nope. Absolutely not. But the question becomes, are their jobs actually necessary to the basic functioning of the government and its essential needs or are they, by the given definition, surplus to requirements. If the latter, RIF their job. I really don't understand why Euros pay so much in taxes. By and large your populations and land mass are far smaller, your currency is a lot stronger, and access to natural resources doesn't require that ships cross an ocean. I mean, it's not like you have functioning militaries or anything, at least not by the American definition.
Okay it's a bit off topic so I'll make it short. This is just a different mindset. In continental Europe we don't really let individuals make huge mistakes. Like having no health insurance policy. You won't get sub-par health care because you can't afford good stuff. We also have high education standards, even if it's true that the richest people can have the best education, if you're good enough, you will be able to go to some the best schools without paying a dime here. There is no such things as student loans making people slaving over **** jobs for 10 years to pay for it.
The poverty rate is also a lot lower in Europe. In the US it's something like 30-35% of your population, in Europe it's around 10%. We also have some excellent public transportation systems because some people care about the environment and that's fine. A lot of rules and high taxes isn't that bad considering that the other alternative is "be rich or GTFO" (or die, in the worst circumstances). |
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