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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.06.04 23:32:00 -
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2 things:
a) dont forget bandwagoners - whatever starts, when a aliance seems wounded all of a sudden you have minor entities swarming in from all over the galaxy and in the end it truly is The Bandwagon that strikes the deathblow
b) tbh alliances are their own worse enemies, internal problems hurt more than a hundred dreads...
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Daxes
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Posted - 2006.06.04 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Daxes on 04/06/2006 23:40:13 I think we have actually 4 dominating alliances in eve atm: BoB, ASCN, D2 and Lotka (+their allies). It will be just a question of time till those alliance will get into wars with each other but atm all of them seem to have a phase of clearing their neighbourhood. Will be funny to see what happens when this is done.
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2006.06.05 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Daxes Edited by: Daxes on 04/06/2006 23:40:13 I think we have actually 4 dominating alliances in eve atm: BoB, ASCN, D2 and Lotka (+their allies). It will be just a question of time till those alliance will get into wars with each other but atm all of them seem to have a phase of clearing their neighbourhood. Will be funny to see what happens when this is done.
Well put
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.06.05 00:32:00 -
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D2 vs. BoB? As the days go on I see little differance between the two.
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fisty
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Posted - 2006.06.05 00:38:00 -
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i must say i am impressed that his post hasnt turned into a flamebait already, thank you all for your inputs... always nice to see what other ppl think about such things
i didnt think about LV & friends and what their implication could have on politics in eve tbh... i guess its never good underestimate any entity
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Tadis
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Posted - 2006.06.05 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard D2 vs. BoB? As the days go on I see little differance between the two.
Someone close said D2 were just a German version of BoB.
But surely German efficiency would dictate a well drilled alliance. But then thats BoB as well....
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Bavarian Punk
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Posted - 2006.06.05 01:17:00 -
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No, D2 and BoB are very different. BoB is basically our mining-alt-alliance ---
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Feterous Jolin
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Posted - 2006.06.05 01:36:00 -
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The Coalition together are strong yes, but with the alliance of alliances there is a lot greater chance of internal disruption. You have to look at single alliances at not coalitions of alliances. Look at PA + FE and allies in the north. That did not turn out so well for anyone. Enough said on that topic.
ASCN, BoB, & D2, in no particular order are very strong. They have lots of reserve isk. They have loads of capital ships and dedicated pilots. ASCN and BoB have proven themselves to be the strongest and most stable alliances in eve atm. D2, while strong are new. Even if they are a reorganized G alliance + strong new corporations added to it, it has yet to be seen if they are unified and stable enough to withstand the kind of war needed to fight one of the other two major powers.
In any respect, a war on this scale will be costly. It would take a very long time and yes bandwagoning would be the eventually downfall. As people see a weakened empire they will be looking for their cut. Small, new alliances as well as merc corps and pirate corps will be rushing in at the first sign of blood.
As for how I define "not any time soon". Let's just say, I think a wormhole back to earth might come sooner then a war of this scale. It would be the end of at least 2 alliances. If two go to war, only one super power will remain. Period.
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Esaam DeVries
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Posted - 2006.06.05 01:46:00 -
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We are just a bunch of mostly harmless hippies. Please don't harm us --
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.06.05 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Eternal Fury on 05/06/2006 01:50:58 One thing that may happen is that 3 or 4 major alliance's form out of the chaos, and become very stable... Then they might work through small proxy corps/alliance's to do the fighting.
or
The 4 alliance's may just take over a quadrant of space, and stay there, haveing fun makeing forays into each others regions.
They might even let a 5th alliance form, grow, then all pounce on it for fun..
Where's my tinfoil hat.. wait.. tinfoil was proven to ENHANCE the signals.. wheres my lead skull cap.....
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Jacob Kell
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Posted - 2006.06.05 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tadis
Originally by: Lucian Alucard D2 vs. BoB? As the days go on I see little differance between the two.
Someone close said D2 were just a German version of BoB.
But surely German efficiency would dictate a well drilled alliance. But then thats BoB as well....
Like Audi v BMW.
D2 has the same amount of arrogance as Bob does.. With less reason to.
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2006.06.05 02:05:00 -
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Well I guess we're going to find out soon enough.
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Aranin
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Posted - 2006.06.05 02:13:00 -
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BOB would be stupid to allow ascn to continue to hold Paragon Soul come shiva with constellation soverignty and gate control. due to the dynamics of paragon BoB are not able to jump capital ships directly into paragon and must travel north and around before heading down via esoteria. while ascn could use such a point as a very viable staging point for attacks upon bob space. taking a region that is fortified with constellation sov and locked gates will be a very difficult task without cap ships.
paragon has 3 enterances 1 of which is into bob space, the other two into esoteria. one of these links to esoteria is a dead end and can only be accessed from paragon.
If bob can hold paragon when shiva arives and manage to secure constellation sov in simply the constellation that links esoteria and paragon they could effectivley lock down the region. it would give them and excelent point to launch from when attacking any of the other southern alliances and a place to hold their cap ships in the event of an invasion of ascn/souther alliance space that does not require a long distance travel by their cap ships.
if ascn captures sov in paragon then bob will have to travel through Q > stain > through ascn space into esoteria and finally down to paragon. esoteria will most likely be locked down by this point. if they allowed ascn to hold paragon then their Tcag enterance into the south will be rendered useless. _____________________________
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Josclyn Verreuil
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Posted - 2006.06.05 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jesus Edited by: Jesus on 04/06/2006 21:36:32 to be honest we have reached a true cold war period of eve you have 3 main power blocks
BOB ASCN D2
^^ in no perticular order
each one has billions and billions in reserve and the isk to fund non stop war for well over 6 months but is it worth it. Lets say BOB attack ASCN, G/IRON tried it a few months back and yes they had better kill ratio but they managed to take 1 system and outpost for less than a week, ASCN has a lot of land and a lot of outpost that need to be taken so i think that a war against ASCN will take over 6 months and cost the attacking side a lot of isk, Yes you may take over ASCN space but at what cost.
So lets say BOB take over ASCN space it takes them 9 months to fully take all the outpost and land (remeber we have 3 fully developed regoins to take over). how much has this cost BOB as an alliance it is going to take billions and billions countless ships will be lost on both sides. Now BOB is weak D2 decide to take on BOB and with BOB being in the weakened state cannot hold onto they land and start loosing a war against D2.
or another way it would go down is BOB attack ASCN space and D2 come straight out and attack BOB in they space this leavs BOB fighting a war against 2 very large and powerful alliances on 2 different fronts, i know BOB are good but I cant see them taking ASCN space and still fighting D2 this would over stretch the alliance and cause it to strain at the fabric that makes up the alliance.
I personally think that all 3 allainces have no plans to have a full out attack at this time as attacking would prob cause more problems than it solves and also allows 1 alliance to gain more isk and recourses while the other 2 are fighting.
There will be a big war between ASCN - BOB - D2 when will it be? who knows where will i be? right in the middle of the action will it be good? F-ing yes
edited for spelling and trying to make it sound cohearent but i think i have failed on both
I have to agree with most of this, although I definately would include the "Eastern Coalition" (-V-, CHIMP, LV, KOS etc) in the list and make it a big 4 not a big 3.
Another minor correction, G/IRON took one system for less than a day, not less than a week. They had sov after one DT, and were set to lose it the next (which happened to be right before RMR which would have set it back to a 5 day schedule).
And yeah, any real protracted "go for the kill" war between any of these alliances is likely going to be the death of most of them. (imo)
~Clan Verreuil |
Josclyn Verreuil
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Posted - 2006.06.05 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aranin BOB would be stupid to allow ascn to continue to hold Paragon Soul come shiva with constellation soverignty and gate control. due to the dynamics of paragon BoB are not able to jump capital ships directly into paragon and must travel north and around before heading down via esoteria. while ascn could use such a point as a very viable staging point for attacks upon bob space. taking a region that is fortified with constellation sov and locked gates will be a very difficult task without cap ships.
paragon has 3 enterances 1 of which is into bob space, the other two into esoteria. one of these links to esoteria is a dead end and can only be accessed from paragon.
If bob can hold paragon when shiva arives and manage to secure constellation sov in simply the constellation that links esoteria and paragon they could effectivley lock down the region. it would give them and excelent point to launch from when attacking any of the other southern alliances and a place to hold their cap ships in the event of an invasion of ascn/souther alliance space that does not require a long distance travel by their cap ships.
if ascn captures sov in paragon then bob will have to travel through Q > stain > through ascn space into esoteria and finally down to paragon. esoteria will most likely be locked down by this point. if they allowed ascn to hold paragon then their Tcag enterance into the south will be rendered useless.
I don't understand where you're going with this (to be honest I know next to nothing about PS, besides what Ive seen recently).
Why can we/they not just use the Period Basis/Paragon Soul link?
~Clan Verreuil |
CEO Pyrex
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Posted - 2006.06.05 08:55:00 -
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Not too sure if alliance v alliance warfare will stay the same when kali comes.....
I think the factional warfare system will be like when the level 4 agents came in and cleared 0.0 space.
I know i would love to conquer the Amarr system for ASCN :)
Most alliances i imagine are preparing for factional warfare cos it will all of a sudden bring the alliance warfare from the rim of eve into the centre vs one another and npc factions......its gonna be awesome!
Imagine Seleene being crowned Emperor of Amarr?!?! now that i think will be the next step of eve (not some over priced bugged pieces of titan crap shooting each other over some ass end piece of space)
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Lungorthin
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Posted - 2006.06.05 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tadis
Someone close said D2 were just a German version of BoB.
But surely German efficiency would dictate a well drilled alliance. But then thats BoB as well....
lol you should not underestimate our BoB English hooligans and the BoB Swedes...well.. lets just say they are quite resitant :)
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The Hooch
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Posted - 2006.06.05 11:56:00 -
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They will never fight.
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arjun
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Posted - 2006.06.05 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: arjun on 05/06/2006 11:56:53 delete
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.06.05 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 05/06/2006 12:00:44
Originally by: The Hooch They will never fight.
Looking at the map I think all of them fight all the others except ASCN and Coalition. It seems to be only a low intensity war with skirmishes where they run into eachother but nonetheless it's not like 1 is being jumped by the other 3 yet and they do fight.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.06.05 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Kell
Originally by: Tadis
Originally by: Lucian Alucard D2 vs. BoB? As the days go on I see little differance between the two.
Someone close said D2 were just a German version of BoB.
But surely German efficiency would dictate a well drilled alliance. But then thats BoB as well....
Like Audi v BMW.
D2 has the same amount of arrogance as Bob does.. With less reason to.
eheh, im merely the only one posting from d2 on a regular basis and im surely not arrogant --------------------------------
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Aranin
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Posted - 2006.06.05 12:05:00 -
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in responce to josclynn ver - the reason cap ships cant be moved form paragon directly into/out bob space is because a smugglers gate connects the two and the distance is to great.
also on a side note, did u ever play SB josc and were u in a guild called order of the blade? very similar name _____________________________
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2006.06.05 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Kell
Originally by: Tadis
Originally by: Lucian Alucard D2 vs. BoB? As the days go on I see little differance between the two.
Someone close said D2 were just a German version of BoB.
But surely German efficiency would dictate a well drilled alliance. But then thats BoB as well....
Like Audi v BMW.
D2 has the same amount of arrogance as Bob does.. With less reason to.
Not noticed D2 being arrogant myself......
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.06.05 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Jacob Kell
Originally by: Tadis
Originally by: Lucian Alucard D2 vs. BoB? As the days go on I see little differance between the two.
Someone close said D2 were just a German version of BoB.
But surely German efficiency would dictate a well drilled alliance. But then thats BoB as well....
Like Audi v BMW.
D2 has the same amount of arrogance as Bob does.. With less reason to.
eheh, im merely the only one posting from d2 on a regular basis and im surely not arrogant
Everybody knows your a arrogant goth yuppie
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.06.05 13:21:00 -
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The main alliances are all too far apart, otheriwse busy or already friendly with everyone about them for any major wars atm.. it really takes there to be a large mobile force that can come in and live in the target area for a period of time.. Road trips are great, but everyone knows that each group now has too much invested in their own area to risk leaving it for a prolonged period.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2006.06.05 13:22:00 -
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Not yet, I'm still training for capital ships!
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2006.06.05 13:46:00 -
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I think that we have 4 major powers in EVE, BOB, D2, ASCN, LV+Allies. A war will erupt sooner or later between some of this alliances.
I tend to say between BOB/D2, mainly because of their nature. They both are on essence war machines with a very strong industrial side.
On the other side ASCN is probably the biggest industrial alliance of the 4, but they arent as agressive as BOB or D2.
Regarding LV and Allies (Coalition)I think they are a mix. I consider LV and V military alliances, dont know much about the other 2 (Knights and CIMP).
To conclude I would bet on a clash between BOB and D2. Due to their nature I dont see ASCN trying to take advantage of the situation and TBH I think that the coalition will dissolve as soon as they finish the RA subject - the main reason to the coalition existence -.
On a side note I dont think that would be a extermination war alsow, some big battles yes but in the end they all will continue here.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.06.05 14:14:00 -
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tbh i think singling out "LV+allies" is a bit misrepresentative, D2 works closing with razor, MM, Guard and pretty much anyone that will accept their unified standings, and both bob and ascn has had their allies from time to time also (notibly each other)..
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jeNK
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Posted - 2006.06.05 14:21:00 -
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The only loser will be TQ when it dies of death from the load of having fleets meet
Personally I would rather see smaller sized battles.. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is bored of being in 100+ vs 100+ fights.. uber lag, insta pop, "ctrl+click, f1,f2,f3.. etc. wait 15mins for lock and modules to activate.." rinse repeat until dead or no one left.. not exactly thrilling.
POS wars suck, they were an oversized 'fix' for a problem that barely existed (station ping-pong) that now make fighting for regions tiresome, boring and pretty much force you to make real world sacrifices for a game.. (reinforced timeouts) it's no longer about who has the bigger fire power, it's now about who is willing to set their alarm clocks.
The only thing station ping-pong needed for fixing was to instantly recharge a stations shields upon capture.
don't get me started on capital ships
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Whoturned Outthelights
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Posted - 2006.06.05 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 05/06/2006 12:00:44
Originally by: The Hooch They will never fight.
Looking at the map I think all of them fight all the others except ASCN and Coalition. It seems to be only a low intensity war with skirmishes where they run into eachother but nonetheless it's not like 1 is being jumped by the other 3 yet and they do fight.
Looking at the Bob killboard I see a smattering of kills against ASCN and LV but I have not seen them pop a D2 ship since early April (which may have been before D2 even formed)? Its a bit hard to navigate their site I find so I could be wrong, but if I am then there has certainly not been a lot of action between the two.
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