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Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.11.17 10:51:00 -
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Dear Forum Warriors, -á TL:DR at bottom.
I'm in slight disbelief that some of you have decided to build up the rage again over the next patch.-á
I was angry as the next player at what happened with incarna, I unsubbed both of my accounts, temporarily, shortly afterwards, tho I had found myself bored of eve in general probably due to under development.
But let's look at some back ground. I take one Devs comments as an example. I'll find the quote and add it in shortly but to paraphrase he said he stopped looking at the forums because of the rage at lack of development while feeling trapped in the corporate direction of Incarna etc. Put simply, these people are human beings, I think we forget that CCP is not some monolithic organisation. They are talented individuals, heck I couldn't do what they do and I wish I had learnt to do it so I could do, and we sometimes, quite frankly treat them like dirt.-á
Post incarna, the management went through phases, denial, anger, crisis, acceptance, it was just financially motivated tho that was a big part of it. But by the time they had turned the big super tanker around it was September. Then lay offs followed Devs lost friends and colleagues, a lot of them. That's hard.
Then the race to fix things began, Devs said from the out set we are going for little things, there wasn't time for big changes, they wanted as many small things as possible. In every dev blog including the hybrid and custom office thread they have said this is a first step we will change anything that doesn't work right it's an ongoing process.-á
And yet, you don't like it so you rage at CCP, say EVE is dying , and threaten to unsub.-á
These guys are going to start hating us if we continue to be so up tight.-á
What I propose to you is that we treat Crucible as a first step and we give CCP a full development run to fix the rest, 0.0, hybrids, FW, lowsec, any other priorities. One scrum team or more each, 6 months. This brings us to summer, exactly one year after the Jita riots. If your game is still broken and Not improved to your satisfaction by all means rage, shout, riot, unsub whatever eases your tortured soul.-á
What say you?
TL:DR-á
You can't expect miracles overnight, give CCP one more expansion to fix the game. Stop raging, keep calm and carry on.
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Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
42
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Posted - 2011.11.17 10:54:00 -
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:18 months: Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
170
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:18:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:What say you? don't care if CCP employees hate me. |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
30
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:19:00 -
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Ok, 18 months sure, but stuff is being worked on now. And has been for 3 months so far, development takes time to develop. |
The Offerer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:21:00 -
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I always tried to post constructive and (as much as possible) flame-free criticisms. Something that would actually explain what is good and what is wrong with suggested ideas and features. I agree, there are many who were not so patient and cool-headed. Rage and flames were inevitable.
Anyway, there are many features in Crucible that are simply great. I can already feel the power and creativity of the old CCP from back in the days when I started to play (RMR). There are, however, a couple of things that will have a bad impact on the game, most notably corporation owned Customs Offices and I tried to explain why in the relevant thread.
So, there are a lot of hits and just a couple of misses, as far as features go. Just like CCP in the old days when EVE was expanding rapidly - and hopefully, it will again if CCP keeps this course.
I understand that they are just people, but the company was on a wrong route for a long time threatening to endanger the existence of their only active product. Many players saw that, so a little slap on the face to wake up was needed. Thankfully, CCP's CEO woke the company up just in time.
I have very high hopes for Crucible and beyond. EVE is not dying - a part of it died due to all mistakes in the past and Crucible is bringing the game up from the ashes. That's how I see Crucible. |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
30
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:23:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Benilopax wrote:What say you? don't care if CCP employees hate me.
But angry posts turn them off the community and so constructive suggestions get lost. |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
31
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:27:00 -
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The Offerer wrote:I always tried to post constructive and (as much as possible) flame-free criticisms. Something that would actually explain what is good and what is wrong with suggested ideas and features. I agree, there are many who were not so patient and cool-headed. Rage and flames were inevitable.
Anyway, there are many features in Crucible that are simply great. I can already feel the power and creativity of the old CCP from back in the days when I started to play (RMR). There are, however, a couple of things that will have a bad impact on the game, most notably corporation owned Customs Offices and I tried to explain why in the relevant thread.
So, there are a lot of hits and just a couple of misses, as far as features go. Just like CCP in the old days when EVE was expanding rapidly - and hopefully, it will again if CCP keeps this course.
I understand that they are just people, but the company was on a wrong route for a long time threatening to endanger the existence of their only active product. Many players saw that, so a little slap on the face to wake up was needed. Thankfully, CCP's CEO woke the company up just in time.
I have very high hopes for Crucible and beyond. EVE is not dying - a part of it died due to all mistakes in the past and Crucible is bringing the game up from the ashes. That's how I see Crucible.
Thanks The Offerer, I agree that the company is at fault, but individual Devs are not, of anything blame management for overall failures in strategy. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
179
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:28:00 -
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@Benilopax,
I agree with your sentiments. You must know though that no matter how good a product is, no matter how well it is accepted, there will always be people who will kick and shout and rage about the smallest of errors. They will always find something to satiate their innate hunger for anger and depression. Some people simply love to hate.
As far as I am concerned and from what I have experienced on Sisi, CCP have done themselves proud with Crucible.
Peace out.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
130
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:30:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:Benilopax wrote:What say you? don't care if CCP employees hate me. But angry posts turn them off the community and so constructive suggestions get lost.
Angry posts and unsubbing made them do a 180 degree turn. The game is improving because of the critics. Don't forget that very important fact.
I like then new direction they are taking the game, but the community is responsible for it.
Fix FW ! |
Spurty
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
52
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:39:00 -
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Op is saying that when bad things were the track we were on, your rage was righteous.
We're currently on a 'good' track of new unique ships, trails and cyno effects (plus so many more neat things polished to the level we want them at) and now, the rage is without merit.
Sending confusing messages to CCP after they have come around, is something you really won't do without being called out by your peers.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
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Zleon Leigh
18
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:50:00 -
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While on the fast track to turn things around they are implementing without thinking.
POCO's are screwing a lot of players over and run a real risk of causing a lot of economy grief. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
31
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:54:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Op is saying that when bad things were the track we were on, your rage was righteous.
We're currently on a 'good' track of new unique ships, trails and cyno effects (plus so many more neat things polished to the level we want them at) and now, the rage is without merit.
Sending confusing messages to CCP after they have come around, is something you really won't do without being called out by your peers.
This
When Hilmar apologised and new features were announced the attitude and quality of posts had never been higher. Now CCP do what we asked we are still not satisfied?
Did we expect them to go without sleep for 3 months and fix the whole game? |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
334
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:02:00 -
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Oh please, there are like 3 people in total complaining about Crucible. |
Zleon Leigh
18
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:04:00 -
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lols They've gone for years not fixing a lot. So, no, I don't think anyone had real expectations with them fixing the game. Hell, fixing two things correctly might be considered a miracle given the history.
As far as improvements - kudos to the art dept on the improved view in space. I actually felt I was in space when I flew on Sisi the other day. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
21
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:11:00 -
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I will not chill out just because CCP is starting to do the job they should have been doing the last two ******* years. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
286
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:11:00 -
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Moooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh NAOW!
No, seriously what this guy said:
DarkAegix wrote:Oh please, there are like 3 people in total complaining about Crucible.
And those three people have their grubby hands all over their titan/supercarrier like crybabies. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
170
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:16:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:While on the fast track to turn things around they are implementing without thinking.
POCO's are screwing a lot of players over and run a real risk of causing a lot of economy grief. that is the understatement of the day , i am furious about POCO, because low sec pi is one of my main sources of income for my industrial acount 89 pages of feedback overwhelming majority saying it is a stupid idea and a concept that will NEVER work and what does CCP do they jusy ignoring us and implement POCO s I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
170
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:17:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Oh please, there are like 3 people in total complaining about Crucible. make that 4 I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:28:00 -
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CCP Greyscale made the following comments in his Dev Blog feedback thread:
GÇ£Second, yes, there was a huge angry forum thread for the first blog and I ignored it. That was also a mistake (obviously, in retrospect). This happened partly because I was too focused on looking for reasoned critiques to appreciate the significance of the huge outburst that it generated, but mainly because I've been increasingly withdrawn from the forums for the last year or two. It's a pretty draining experience reading page after page after page of angry posts, about all kinds of topics but all ultimately driven by the same core concerns of abandonment and neglect, and agreeing with those concerns, and not being able to do much of anything about it. As a result, I've been avoiding listening to the forums and focusing on doing the best work I can, but the former occasionally precludes the latter. On the bright side, it feels like the mood on the forums has been improving hugely in the last month or two, and I'm making an effort to read and post more as a result. Whether or not this is a good thing is of course a matter of personal opinion ;)GÇ¥
I am not singling him out, but he has raised several very good points that I would like to address.
1. The player community will never provide uniformly reasoned responses. For every reasoned response there will be 50 unreasonable responses. Almost every single post made here is motivated by selfish concerns, self interest, ego, and spite. The number of posts where the poster is attempting to provide honest feedback and is able to maintain separation from their own narrow view of the game is miniscule. In this regard the EVE forum community is no different to any other.
2. CCP takes the unusual position (at least in the game development world) of engaging with their customers in a meaningful manner. Nowhere else will a game developer give their customers such an honest and open view of the workings of the game they are playing. I believe this stance is a consequence of CCP's (justifiable) pride in what they have built here, but it does have a downside. When talking to the community CCP devs don't have anywhere to hide. The community expects and demands specificity in their statements, and can't be fobbed off with generalisations and BS.
3. The kind of relationship CCP has built with their customers is hard work to maintain - especially when things are not going well. Nobody likes to be criticised, and some of the comments that have been leveled at CCP devs go way beyond just criticism, BUT it is unrealistic to expect the community to change. In order to maintain the relationship CCP need to keep posting, despite the criticism. In EVE terms they need to HTFU.
Again, I would like to state that I am not singling CCP Greyscale out here - he just happens to be the guy that has been open and honest enough to post about what is, I am sure, a very common attitude amongst CCP employees.
TL:DR CCP need to HTFU and never stop posting |
who shat themselves
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:31:00 -
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Crucible is a great expansion and if you sperglords can't handle that GET OUT |
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DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
335
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:32:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Oh please, there are like 3 people in total complaining about Crucible. make that 4 Nah, you're one of the 3. |
Eebi
CONCORD Operations Central Directorate of Intelligence
20
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:34:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Benilopax wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:Benilopax wrote:What say you? don't care if CCP employees hate me. But angry posts turn them off the community and so constructive suggestions get lost. Angry posts and unsubbing made them do a 180 degree turn. The game is improving because of the critics. Don't forget that very important fact. I like then new direction they are taking the game, but the community is responsible for it.
I'm glad with the sudden effort CCP made, the only thing that worries me; will it continue after the deployment of the winter expansion? |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
42
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:38:00 -
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When I get in a cab, I expect the driver to take to me where I've told him I need to go.
I don't expect him to stop off on the way and get a lottery ticket, which he couldn't do earlier in the day because his wife made him go and pick up his mother in law, and then his friend called and needed help with fixing his car. In addition to this, I expect him to know how to get to where I've told him to take me, and what the best route would be to miss out on all of the traffic in the surrounding area, because a cab driver should be listening to the traffic reports, not the cricket results whilst reading the paper.
In addition to that, I expect the cab to be clean and all of friday nights puke to have been removed from the rear seats.
All I should need to do is sit back and relax - and when we get to the destination, I don't expect him to moan and whine because he doesn't have any change for a twenty.
Cabs get me to where I need to be, not the other way around.
CCP have made steps in the right direction, and for now this is enough - only a fool would beleive that they can mess up again and get away with it.
The next big problem that CCP face is end-game content, because once you can fly captial ships, there is not much more for you to experience - hence the reason why null-sec is facing a backlash that has been very very very slowly brewing since Revelations.
If they make a mistake about the content gap between new players and end-game content, then they will face major expansion issues.
Yes, I know there is no such thing as an 'end-game', but there is is for content, which is looking thin on ground for players.
Fixing the game is always a priority, but what are CCP doing to add content? New ships don't count, as we already have plenty of ships - I'm talking about stuff we have never done before in space. What is there?
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Boadicea Wales
THE MAGPIE ACQUISITIONS
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:48:00 -
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I pay to play there for I am.
My EVE life has meaning god dame it
Every revolution starts with one voice shouting in the wilderness
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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
143
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:51:00 -
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so, im ment to be happy that ccp showed up after 18months and are doing stuff they should have done in that 18months?
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
32
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:20:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:so, im ment to be happy that ccp showed up after 18months and are doing stuff they should have done in that 18months?
Well they can't go back in time. Your just gonna stay angry forever? |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
143
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:24:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:so, im ment to be happy that ccp showed up after 18months and are doing stuff they should have done in that 18months?
Well they can't go back in time. Your just gonna stay angry forever?
im not angry, but i see no reason at this point to say 'good job ccp, well done' maybe in 2 years when they have worked there asses off for that 2 years making eve better. then maybe. but until then they do not deserve a pat on the back as they chose to neglect there main and only product. CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
12
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:27:00 -
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So if Santa brought you a ferarri for xmas you'd sit and **** and moan about it because YOU wanted one a year ago.....???!!! |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
143
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:29:00 -
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Shawnm339 wrote:So if Santa brought you a ferarri for xmas you'd sit and **** and moan about it because YOU wanted one a year ago.....???!!!
lol. if he brought me a ferarri after making me sit in dog shite for 2 years prior, would i forget the dog shite? CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
12
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:33:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:So if Santa brought you a ferarri for xmas you'd sit and **** and moan about it because YOU wanted one a year ago.....???!!! lol. if he brought me a ferarri after making me sit in dog shite for 2 years prior, would i forget the dog shite? no but maybe you'd enjoy the ferarri a bit more and chicks would be more forgiving of the fact you smell of dog shite.....anyway my point is this you have no idea how good the expansion may or may not be but one things for sure we (collective we) will never forget the last months of balls up by CCP but maybe in tune with Xmas spirit it's time to forgive when the Crucible is released....
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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
143
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:41:00 -
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Shawnm339 wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:So if Santa brought you a ferarri for xmas you'd sit and **** and moan about it because YOU wanted one a year ago.....???!!! lol. if he brought me a ferarri after making me sit in dog shite for 2 years prior, would i forget the dog shite? no but maybe you'd enjoy the ferarri a bit more and chicks would be more forgiving of the fact you smell of dog shite.....anyway my point is this you have no idea how good the expansion may or may not be but one things for sure we (collective we) will never forget the last months of balls up by CCP but maybe in tune with Xmas spirit it's time to forgive when the Crucible is released....
1 good thing dosnt make up for many screw ups. personnaly i will review ccp's turn around in and over the next few years. its kinda pointless to do that so soon. its been what 2 months? talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words and all that jazz. CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Boadicea Wales
THE MAGPIE ACQUISITIONS
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:43:00 -
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Shawnm339 wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:So if Santa brought you a ferarri for xmas you'd sit and **** and moan about it because YOU wanted one a year ago.....???!!! lol. if he brought me a ferarri after making me sit in dog shite for 2 years prior, would i forget the dog shite? no but maybe you'd enjoy the ferarri a bit more and chicks would be more forgiving of the fact you smell of dog shite.....anyway my point is this you have no idea how good the expansion may or may not be but one things for sure we (collective we) will never forget the last months of balls up by CCP but maybe in tune with Xmas spirit it's time to forgive when the Crucible is released....
being made to wait 4 years to final walk in a station = being made to sit in dog shite 4 years later we are walking in stations only to see it as a bit of a fail, then having to stare at a door = the return to the dog shite
When can you deliver the ferarri CCP? Alass knowing CCP as we do it'll have no engin
I think that about cover the point being made here savvy. |
MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
30
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:54:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:What say you? Well. Though rage goes far beyond what I feel about the whole thing (really don't give a **** at the end of the day to be honest), I'm not really all that hyped on Crucible.
To me it's like CCP going -+We're finally doing what we were supposed to be doing since 2005. Aren't we awesome?!-½ Well no, you're not, sorry. Fix your game, hire some real CRM expertise and pay attention to what your colleagues are doing. Then we'll talk about awesome.
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
35
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:00:00 -
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Crucible is a terrible expansion.
CCP are completly failing to listen to the community's demands for all Minmatar ships to be reskinned into a steampunk theme with random gears and pistons and **** all over them, also for autocanons to be changed into swords wielded by robotic arms. When will CCP learn? |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo THE UNTHINKABLES
6
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:37:00 -
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Occupy Jita |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
185
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:45:00 -
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I think people needed to shut the **** up and play the game or quit when Incarna came out. This is all a little late if you ask me. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Alice Saki
Ducklings
41
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:47:00 -
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Your all a Bunch of Cry Babies :) http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null |
Velicitia
Open Designs
106
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Posted - 2011.11.17 15:24:00 -
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Benilopax wrote: Did we expect them to go without sleep for 3 months and fix the whole game?
I figured they weren't sleeping for three months because the Community Brute Squad sat them all down and made them actually PLAY the game they're making ...
I can see (some of) it now:
Dev 1 -- you know what this game needs? Dev 2 -- hmm .. (both in unison) -- ENGINE TRAILS! |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
111
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Posted - 2011.11.17 15:49:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:While on the fast track to turn things around they are implementing without thinking.
POCO's are screwing a lot of players over and run a real risk of causing a lot of economy grief. that is the understatement of the day , i am furious about POCO, because low sec pi is one of my main sources of income for my industrial acount 89 pages of feedback overwhelming majority saying it is a stupid idea and a concept that will NEVER work and what does CCP do they jusy ignoring us and implement POCO s
If only you didn't have a ***** on your face I would be able to read you post. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
335
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Posted - 2011.11.17 15:49:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:
TL:DR-á
You can't expect miracles overnight, give CCP one more expansion to fix the game. Stop raging, keep calm and carry on.
it will take a little more than a shinies expansion to fix everything remember, this expansion is like 75% art, 15% carebear buff, and 10% papercut fixes
its a good start, and looks good on the front page of Pravda but it's only a small step in the right direction down a long road
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2011.11.17 15:52:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:Benilopax wrote:What say you? don't care if CCP employees hate me. But angry posts turn them off the community and so constructive suggestions get lost.
Actually i would like to point out thats not true.
They actually are like the next forum troll laughing at stupid and if there are some well written feedbacks/suggestions than they look into it, giving them other point of views, not that they dont have an idea but its always good to see the "problem" from different perspectives.
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
114
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Posted - 2011.11.17 15:58:00 -
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Vachir Khan wrote::18 months:
Funnily enough, that was said about 18 months ago, wasn't it? |
Lharanai
Empyrean Guard
40
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:02:00 -
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Vachir Khan wrote::18 months:
invalid as they rebuild EVE with carbon, just because you don't get new shiny things to blow up does not mean that they did nothing Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
21
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:12:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:so, im ment to be happy that ccp showed up after 18months and are doing stuff they should have done in that 18months?
Well they can't go back in time. Your just gonna stay angry forever?
Nope just another 15 months. |
OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
11
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:20:00 -
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Slapping fresh makeup on an old hooker will not make her young and fresh again. Nor will engine trails.
I need look no further than the Naga, and CCPs half assed "solution" to the missile problem to see that nothing has actually changed. |
OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
11
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:20:00 -
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duplicate post. CCP fix your freaking forums |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
336
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:25:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:duplicate post. CCP fix your freaking forums
lol is that OOT Smithers???
from CRSland?
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
26
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:38:00 -
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Whiners shat up the forums with RAEG!!!!11 posts, unsub'd and stopped logging in, and shot a statue about it.
CCP rewarded them with mea culpa threads, resource reallocation, and "fix's".
And you are surprised that the people who want more/better/different are writing sperg threads while wallowing in thier own :bittervet:?
Rule 1 of managment: You will get the behaviour you reward. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
336
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:42:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Whiners shat up the forums with RAEG!!!!11 posts, unsub'd and stopped logging in, and shot a statue about it.
CCP rewarded them with mea culpa threads, resource reallocation, and "fix's".
And you are surprised that the people who want more/better/different are writing sperg threads while wallowing in thier own :bittervet:?
Rule 1 of managment: You will get the behaviour you reward.
how do you use words like mea culpa yet have such atrocious grammar and spelling?
must be a university graduate The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
78
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:52:00 -
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The Offerer wrote: There are, however, a couple of things that will have a bad impact on the game, most notably corporation owned Customs Offices and I tried to explain why in the relevant thread.
And there will always be features of the game that aren't to our liking. Nobody, not even CCP, can do everything exactly how we'd like it. Ragequitting and screaming at CCP, while comforting to some, is really unproductive. It makes us look ungrateful, when we're actually incredibly lucky that CCP had the courage to even attempt the launch of an MMO on such an unprecedented scale.
After such a difficult year -- Monoclegate, the botched Incarna launch, the layoffs -- l think we should give CCP a little more time to pick up the pieces. |
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Captain Carius
Deathshead Inc.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.17 17:00:00 -
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My brother and I gave them six years to fix the game.
Was that long enough for you? |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
129
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Posted - 2011.11.17 17:39:00 -
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CCP should be CONSTANTLY fixing and tweaking and balancing this game.
This game is insanely complicated and should be under constant revision
All developers should play EVE a lot or they are bad at there jobs. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Drifterin Thedark
13
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Posted - 2011.11.17 17:43:00 -
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Like i've said before, the people CCP are trying to please now will never be content. They should already know this, after favoring the minority in 0.0 alliances for years, and getting nothing but abuse in return. It's one thing after another with them, and they all agree CCP must suffer if their ever-changing demands are not met.
If it were my company i'd tell those self entitled brats where to go, and focus on making the game better for everyone, not just whoever cries the loudest in 0.0. |
Cedar Locus
Superfission
17
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Posted - 2011.11.17 18:59:00 -
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will chill when eve is dead |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
79
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Posted - 2011.11.18 01:57:00 -
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Trainwreck McGee wrote: This game is insanely complicated and should be under constant revision
That's why it's not under constant revision -- this game is far more complex than most MMOs. Every change has to be made carefully, in case another system gets thrown out of whack. You can't balance hybrids, for example, unless you're certain that 'balancing' them isn't just going to make another category of weapons obsolete, or that they won't become hugely powerful when combined with a specific set of implants, or that the balance changes don't knock the weapons out of cap range for their intended ships. |
Catlos JeminJees
E.M.P. Industries Shadow of xXDEATHXx
24
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Posted - 2011.11.18 02:40:00 -
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Captain Carius wrote:My brother and I gave them six years to fix the game.
Was that long enough for you?
6 yrs of "waiting to fix" Wtf?????? quit already |
Jett0
Team Kitty Choke Slam
30
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Posted - 2011.11.18 03:02:00 -
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A lot of Crucible is awesome by itself. The other part is awesome only by comparison. Regardless, it's still awesome.
What I'm truly waiting for is the next summer expansion. If CCP continues pushing in this direction, it'll make Crucible look like a prologue. |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
119
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Posted - 2011.11.18 03:18:00 -
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Crucible is the best Expansion since Apoc. Period. Its not even close. Look at where CCP was 2 months ago and look at where they are now. Anyone that cant see a clear difference is just blind or not cognizant of whats going on. |
MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
32
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Posted - 2011.11.18 10:35:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Trainwreck McGee wrote: This game is insanely complicated and should be under constant revision
That's why it's not under constant revision -- this game is far more complex than most MMOs. As a matter of fact it isn't. You shouldn't mistake needlessy bloated UI and redundant mechanics for complexity.
Tons of dead baggage and a shoddy UI to deal with it is one of the major issues the game has. Stuff like fuel blocks are merely the first baby steps to attempt to fix some this mess. |
ilmon
Unknown Soldiers RED.Legion
6
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:50:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:Ok, 18 months sure, but stuff is being worked on now. And has been for 3 months so far, development takes time to develop.
then ccp could learn to not time and time again make empty promises |
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:51:00 -
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I WILL NOT CHILL OUT YOU CHILL OUT THE FORUMS ARE NO PLACE FOR RATIONAL DISCUSSION OP YOU SHUT UP RIGHT NOW I"M UNSUBBING FOREVERS |
ilmon
Unknown Soldiers RED.Legion
6
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:51:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Crucible is the best Expansion since Apoc. Period. Its not even close. Look at where CCP was 2 months ago and look at where they are now. Anyone that cant see a clear difference is just blind or not cognizant of whats going on.
its a good step yes but they made so many more promises for this expansion and even tho good things are changed but that doesn't change the facts |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:55:00 -
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Let me copy someone's sign, short but tells a lot.
"Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude"
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Rod Blaine
Gilded Goose Brokerage
6
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:00:00 -
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Spurty wrote:We're currently on a 'good' track of new unique ships, trails and cyno effects (plus so many more neat things polished to the level we want them at) and now, the rage is without merit.
You might think that's a good track, i don't |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors
12
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Posted - 2011.11.18 13:59:00 -
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The way I see it now's the time to sit and wait, see what ccp does.
They're going in the right direction so there's no need for flaming right now but it's still too early to praise them either. Also, personally while I'm very glad to see actual new content, I wont be patting ccp on the back as long as there's aur/nex in eve. That wound stays open. |
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