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GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
130
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Posted - 2014.05.28 22:22:00 -
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I pay cash for all of my accounts because I am meatspace rich but at the same time I keep buying these PLEX things with all my spare billions in ISK. I'm not sure if I am playing this game right.... |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1850
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Posted - 2014.05.28 22:51:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I'm never allowed to solve my problems with grouped railguns in real life Then you don't have enough grouped railguns. Certain nations and organizations routinely "solve" some of their problems in this manner.
But yeah, plex are fine. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
595
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Posted - 2014.05.29 00:00:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Sibyyl wrote:OP, your feelings reminds of me this quote from an Ars Technica article on EVE Online: Quote:GÇ£Oh, why does that feel so wrong, cheating in my own game?GÇ¥ Petursson asked rhetorically during a presentation at the D.I.C.E. Summit in Las Vegas today. The answer, he said, is key to the emotional connection that EVEGÇÖs economic systems manage to lend to what are, when it comes down to it, just bits of code on a server somewhere.
In the EVE universe, all of those bits of code represent the time and effort that the gameGÇÖs players spent organizing into corporations and alliances, mining virtual resources and protecting their investments, Petursson said. Also, I've always wondered what your name means to you.. as it is mysteriously constructed of consonants and vowels I've never imagined together before. It would be awesome if you could tell us the origin of your name.. Thanks for the link... I'll read it later. edit: You hit it right on the spot ONE TIME OFF-TOPIC REPLY (per request) : I'll post (if I haven't already... need to check) the name explanation on that thread and here as well: It's not English - it's Serbian. It means "Antichrist's Apprentice". It's not religion based, but rather have roots in high-tech. I've read somewhere that the Antichrist would be a man who could create anything that God creates, but that his creations would be artificial and without a soul. When I started playing I was studying Artificial intelligence in software engineering. Eve is also a game where you are actively creating something in a virtual universe, so each player is a creator. I didn't want to name my character as a singular entity that would rule out other players/creators, so I've added "Apprentice". I shall have to name an alt to be your master! New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
ugh zug
99
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Posted - 2014.05.29 00:47:00 -
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op is correct. plex and character trading are forms of pay to win in eve.
@CCP Falcon, the skill or ability of said person buying the stuff with cold hard cash is irrelevant to the fact that they are taking shortcuts to grinding over a normal person, there by paying for an advantage.
CCP has a very biased view on the subject because they benefit from plex sales as the value of plex climbs so too does the sale of plex. But in truth it's just in house RMT scheme where players just do the footwork and not Chinese prisoner forced labor while CCP reaps the benefits rather than gold farming networks. The economic impact on the game is just as "bad" to the economy as normal RMT.
That being said I don't think anyone is going to expect CCP to stop character trading or the sale of plex, there is just too much money involved and "Greed is Good." Want me to shut up? Remove content from my post, 15 bil. Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1837
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Posted - 2014.05.29 02:53:00 -
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LOL cheat code.
People spending thousands on PLEX just to have their blingy ship poped is one of the greatest things of EVE online. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Derrick Diggler
I N E X T R E M I S Circle-Of-Two
5
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:51:00 -
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I do not see it as cheating. EVE is a sandbox. That's what we all love about it. In order to facilitate the sandbox part, plex is here to allow people who do not want to chase ISK related activities to play their own sandbox. So if you PVP and that is what you like to do, and you lose ships on a steady pace while having no revenue, you will struggle. Noone wants to struggle that way in a game :). So, you buy a plex, you sell a plex then buy ships and modules you take out to shoot stuff in the face. Then you get shot in the face and the circle continues. "Thus adding to the chain of life!"
By plex use, noone really loses anything. CCP gets dosh, players get dosh, even charity gets dosh off plexes often. And everyone gets to play their little spaceships the way they want to.
In a sandbox that is my only measurement. Does my style of play hurt others sandbox? And i do not mean if i gank a miner and they yell foul. That is just a part of the game. They will keep mining and i will keep ganking. They will not stop, nor would i want them to. But game changing as in my game play is such that someone can not play their sandbox anymore.
Using a plex does not hurt anyone, but promotes sandbox.
my c2 at least :). |
Yuliz Stareine
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:30:00 -
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TedStriker wrote: I know what you want to say, but its kind of naive. Money is not everything, but its most of things. If everything else fails but you have nearly unlimmited ressources you will still win by attrition.
Apparently you didn't catch that what he said was euphemistic. All the same, unless one has unlimited cash IRL and an unlimited supply of people willing to purchase plex in-game, then they do not have unlimited game resources. On top of that, I have never heard of a multiboxer defeating a major alliance, so the notion that simply "winning by attrition," is possible appears to be unfounded. What is "winning," in EVE anyhow? Am I "winning," when I get a free rookie ship after I die? I DO actually have an unlimited supply of those.
TedStriker wrote: Even the biggest cearbear that gets ganked every day multiple times will outlast the ganker if he can just replace his retriever forever. Why? Because he cheats consequences. He can just ignore the ganker.
In the same way that putting another coin in an arcade game you lost is cheating consequence. That is, it isn't. The act of paying for someone else's game time via PLEX sale is a consequence. How does one hand-waive this away as something to be ignored? If you plunked down hundreds of dollars in plex and had all that value ganked away in a weekend, you'd have to be fairly well off to consider that of no consequence. At the very least you're inconvenienced in whatever it is you're trying to accomplish. Unless the ends you seek are to be ganked repeatedly.
TedStriker wrote: You devs are all so keen on that idea, consequences in EvE....you should get that point i think.
See above.
TedStriker wrote: Just because we have accepted PLEX as the lesser evil doesn't mean it doesn't follow the principle of money-cheats, because it simply does (its not even a matter of opinion, its just simple fact by observation, it beams ISK to your wallet....)
It's simple really. PLEX isn't a lesser evil. Evil is subjective. What you find repugnant about it, a busy man with extra cash on hand finds to be wonderful. When the process means that both the busy guy with money to burn and the not busy guy with time to burn get together and BOTH benefit from the exchange, without using dubious third-parties as in most other MMOs; you have a tremendous boon to the community.
ISK isn't beamed anywhere except from one player to another in exchange for his game time being paid. The simple observation you're failing to make is that nobody actually loses in this exchange. Value is subjective. Someone wants their time, another one wants his cash (in the form of game time), and so they trade legally. Those who do not wish to participate in the program are not forced to do so. They can pay their sub and avoid dealing in PLEX all together. It's true, they must inhabit a universe where such an exchange is available to those who want it, but given that there are no MMORPG titles I have ever heard of that successfully prevented RMT all the way; that desire is unrealistic.
TL;DR: Opine for an egalitarian sandbox experience if you must, but know that the EVE universe is just as bound by the laws of economics as the real world. If you want to force your notion of right and wrong on others, get into game development or politics yourself. Just don't be surprised when a world full of people with different opinions finds your puritanical views to be something they'd rather not participate in.
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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
269
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:51:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Galen Darksmith wrote:Malcanis wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Kirluin wrote:I think the PLEX system is the best implementation of "Free to Play" I've seen in an mmo, for all the reasons Malcanis pointed out.
It's not "free to play". "Free to play" can be played without anyone paying. I can go play World of Tanks without spending a dime, if I want. Nobody else has to spend a dime on my behalf, either. The highlighted sentences are obviously incorrect. Somebody has to pay so that you can play for free. If nobody paid, then the game would be shut down pretty quickly. The only difference with that with PLEX, the pay-play relationship is much more clearly defined, and it's transacted directly between two players, rather than transacted between the set of "whales" and the set of "minnows" indirectly via the publisher EVE is not F2P solely because you have an account that MUST be paid for. You can pay it, or you can have someone else pay it for you via a PLEX, but it's gotta get paid or no gametime for you. F2P games, on the other hand, do not require you to pay. They operate on the principle that some people WILL pay (and shut down if no one does) but at no point can you lose access to your account because you or someone else didn't pay for you...because there's no payment required. Nope. You can pay for you very first PLEX in game with money you earned, without ever paying a dime of real currency.
That plex didn't appear on the market by some black magic. Someone paid real money for it. They are, effectively, funding your account.
If I go pay WoW, and a friend of mine pays for my account because no way am I paying for that ****, does that make WoW a F2P game? "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1234
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Posted - 2014.05.29 08:54:00 -
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Plex is the only reason a lot of full time working players can play the game without doing hours of stupid wow-style grinding. Plex is not cheating, its gaming for employed adults.
TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Kirluin
35
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Posted - 2014.05.29 14:54:00 -
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deleted. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4629
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Posted - 2014.05.29 14:58:00 -
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Confirmed "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Kirluin
35
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Posted - 2014.05.29 15:02:00 -
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deleted because as I posted a fantastic, devastating riposte I realized:
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
was where I was heading. :)
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4657
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Posted - 2014.05.29 15:21:00 -
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Kirluin wrote:deleted because as I posted a fantastic, devastating riposte I realized: YHBT. YHL. HAND.was where I was heading. :)
Oh that happens to me all the time.
Mostly because my ability to believe how stupid people can be is on permanent suspension "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Rende Crow
Divine Reform The Explicit Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.05.30 17:25:00 -
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I have played lots of games and MMOs and I personally feel that PLEX is amazing! It allows new players to get into the game quicker, and allows older players who only like to do pvp (or some other non-money making activity) to do what they want.
My story is as follows:
I was a new player to the game, and being a noob I made several mistakes. I gained around 30 million or so isk through the starter quests and the sisters of eve epic storyline, but unfortunately I lost all of that isk through some dumb mistakes:
1. I bought the wrong cruiser and then had to sell it for a net loss of a few million isk.
2. I bought the right cruiser and then had it destroyed during my first foolish ratting trip into low sec.
3. I spent millions on skills I did not need.
4. I wasted money on excessive amounts of ammo that I lost when my cruiser died.
5. I bought the wrong industrial shipping ship.
6. I made many other wasteful mistakes along the way.
In the end I found myself several weeks into the game, and effectively broke. It sucked. I bought 1 PLEX and sold it. As a result I was able to use the money I earned a lot more wisely this time around. I got myself into a good null sec corp, I upgraded to Battlecruisers, and now have enough supplies in null sec to rat / pvp for a few weeks. As a new player PLEX is what kept me playing. Without PLEX I probably would have given up because I was unable to keep playing with good ships due to costly mistakes that I keep making as a newer player. I still have a lot to learn, but I am doing really well now since PLEX helped me establish myself. |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1108
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Posted - 2014.05.30 17:33:00 -
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When they introduced PLEX it was a compromise both to combat RMT and make it easier for people playing the game that couldn't afford it to actually continue playing.
The time codes had been around for ages, and PLEX was a more secure extension of that. Not to mention that PLEX can actually be dropped, looted, destroyed ETC.
Though in the end, ISK really isn't the defining factor of a players potential in the game. Somebody in a Rifter with tech 1 fittings can still kill somebody flying around in a ship that cost billions of isk to buy and fit.
At which point, the isk is gone and the lost assets won't simply respawn as it is in the majority of MMO's. |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1108
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Posted - 2014.05.30 17:44:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
Nope. You can pay for you very first PLEX in game with money you earned, without ever paying a dime of real currency.
The bold parts are where it stops being free. Its exactly as free as WOT or any other F2P out there. It costs zero spendable currency and some amount of time.
Well the point is SOMEBODY bought that PLEX with real money to sell to the player who then uses it to fund his sub.
It would be one thing if PLEX was seeded on the market, but that is not the case.
Not to mention that the ISK you are getting in return is part of the games economy, as are the ships and equipment purchased with that ISK. Somebody, somewhere manufactured those goods. Which isn't the same as just purchasing items that appear from thin air in game as it would be with other F2P MMO's. |
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
134
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Posted - 2014.05.30 19:46:00 -
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For me, Plex was always a mixed bag.
I was rather proud when I made my first bio ISK, --- and then Plex were introduced. Little Jimmy could now slaughter his piggy bank and buy himself a bio ISK. My "accomplishment" was vaporized. For an industrialist, this was a bit frustrating.
On the other hand, it makes sense that CCP profits from the RMT and not somebody else. I also understand that a lot of PvPers fail at making ISK. Being able to jump in with the piggy bank helps those players to enjoy the game more.
Industry lost a bit of meaning. PvP is easier. All in all, more people enjoy the game and CCP stays afloat. We live with it.
On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid. |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1108
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Posted - 2014.05.30 20:00:00 -
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Altessa Post wrote:For me, Plex was always a mixed bag.
I was rather proud when I made my first bio ISK, --- and then Plex were introduced. Little Jimmy could now slaughter his piggy bank and buy himself a bio ISK. My "accomplishment" was vaporized. For an industrialist, this was a bit frustrating.
On the other hand, it makes sense that CCP profits from the RMT and not somebody else. I also understand that a lot of PvPers fail at making ISK. Being able to jump in with the piggy bank helps those players to enjoy the game more.
Industry lost a bit of meaning. PvP is easier. All in all, more people enjoy the game and CCP stays afloat. We live with it.
Technically Industry doesn't take a hit or lose meaning.
The ISK that these people are buying is from the economy pool generated by the players who actually made that ISK in game. That very same ISK is what is used to purchase goods that Industrialist manufacture.
If there was nobody making money in game, there would be nobody to buy that PLEX from the individuals selling it. On the other hand, If these very same PVP'ers suddenly stopped buying ships from the people who manufacture them, Industry does lose a bit of meaning. |
Rende Crow
Divine Reform The Explicit Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.05.30 22:27:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote: Technically Industry doesn't take a hit or lose meaning.
It loses a little bit of its meaning. Every time I take out my ship to mine I can help but think, "Ill just buy a PLEX and not have to mine." As a result mining is devalued and loses some meaning in my mind. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5362
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Posted - 2014.05.30 23:30:00 -
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Am I cheating when I pay someone else to do my vacuuming and dusting?
Am I cheating when I pay someone else to drive me to work (e.g.: taxi or bus, I'm not RL rich enough for a chauffeur yet)?
To me, selling PLEX for ISK is basically the same thing: as the hypothetical PLEX-seller, I'm paying someone else to do the drudge-work of collecting in-game resources for me. That leaves me to do the parts I enjoy.
As such, I'm more than happy for people to be selling PLEX, simply because that means more people get to focus on the parts of the game that they enjoy.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
299
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Posted - 2014.05.31 09:45:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Am I cheating when I pay someone else to do my vacuuming and dusting?
Am I cheating when I pay someone else to drive me to work (e.g.: taxi or bus, I'm not RL rich enough for a chauffeur yet)?
Yes, you are cheating if you, to at least some extent, enjoy vacuuming, dusting and driving to work And in the OP, I said just that - I like diversity and enjoy manual labor, so if I pass that work to someone else I still feel like I've cheated. It's about cheating myself, not cheating the game in general.
To look at it from another angle, I'm paying a monthly fee to play this game because of many different elements in it. If I eliminate the need to play ISK making part of it, I feel like I'm paying double price (subscription and PLEX for sale) not to play certain parts of it. This way I feel like I've cheated myself out of my money
On the other hand, investment opportunities and expansion of the things I can do in the game are the only reason why I consider PLEX useful in my game, simply because it's expansion of things I can do if I sell PLEX for ISK and not narrowing the game down by eliminating the need for some parts of it. My signature got stolen (o.0) |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
362
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Posted - 2014.05.31 14:55:00 -
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The OP, if you noticed, contradicts himself "ISK is...an investment..." I agree it's cheating. Just because it's endorsed by the game rules makers, that doesn't make it not cheating. The rules makers in EVE also play the game, so they aren't as reliable as one might assume. Once this cheating was allowed, it shifted the related stat calibration. Being rich had nothing to do with being good at the game.
I've said for years now that webbing and warp scramming are the same things - cheats. (I do call them "crutches", but I mean cheats when I say that.) They're there for ego purposes only - 'cause someone has to "win". I've mentioned the vast majority of naval engagements result in no winner per se, and uninformed, and ill-read idiots spew forth "HUH???" Which, is expected.
I think these things are finding their ways into games to accommodate a psychotic tendency shared by the majority of the world's population - impatience being one of the symptoms. These sorts of "improvements" serve only to shorten the length of time it might require to do something otherwise. It might take years to make that much ISK. It might take years to finally destroy that sucker's ship!
As in all such matters, the afflicted ones bray the loudest. They know they like it for the above stated reasons, but claim it has something to do with some other line of logic. When pressed, ultimately, it then becomes "just a game. What's the big deal?" Apart from the intellectual dishonesty and lack of integrity involved, I guess there ISN'T a big deal. SO, if it's NOT a big deal, why the LOUD DISAGREEMENT when it's MENTIONED? HUH?
It's funny. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
471
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Posted - 2014.05.31 15:09:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:A wise man once said: Quote:Money isn't everything. You can have all the ISK in New Eden, and still be fundamentally terrible at EVE. ISK, Skills, Ships... none of it actually means anything... pilot skill, and the ability to actually play the game take precedent over everything else. So no, it's not a cheat code at all in my opinion.
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Paris Hiltron
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.06.01 01:00:00 -
[114] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:A wise man once said: Quote:Money isn't everything. You can have all the ISK in New Eden, and still be fundamentally terrible at EVE. ISK, Skills, Ships... none of it actually means anything... pilot skill, and the ability to actually play the game take precedent over everything else. So no, it's not a cheat code at all in my opinion.
Wait, wait.. HOLD THE PHONE! You mean that we can actually have fun in this game and not just a second job/life? So all my life is a LIE? |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1501
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Posted - 2014.06.01 01:09:00 -
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I'm sure this was pointed out, but ISK isn't created out of thin air to pay for your PLEX. YOU might skip that content but someone else did not. They earned the isk that you want for your PLEX. Furthermore, all that stuff you buy with that can be destroyed and thus spurring demand for other types of gameplay -ISK does not guarantee not dying.
This is a pretty elegant way to reduce RMT and allow the market system to give people what they demand - game time for free and no waiting to get the materials they want to use for what they find fun. Plus, it's a mutually beneficial system where people are doing what they think is fun for them. If mining isn't your thing and PVPing is, then be glad for the miner that buys your plex. If You can't stand PVP and love mining, then thank that PVPer for selling you game time with your mining profits.
This is a win win all around. I honestly don't see any issue with it at all.
That's PLEX from my point of view. GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4660
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Posted - 2014.06.01 01:24:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote: Just because it's endorsed by the game rules makers, that doesn't make it not cheating. The rules makers in EVE also play the game, so they aren't as reliable as one might assume. Yes, it does make it "not-cheating" (or "legal" as the kids today might say, please cut back ont he double negatives) if its endorsed by those who make the rules. They make the rules, after all. And those rules include extremely strict rules on how they interact with the game universe when they play.
Pok Nibin wrote: Being rich had nothing to do with being good at the game. Never has, and never will. Not sure what your point is on that.
Pok Nibin wrote:I've said for years now that webbing and warp scramming are the same things - cheats. (I do call them "crutches", but I mean cheats when I say that.) They're there for ego purposes only - 'cause someone has to "win". Please explain how (without changing the fundemental mechanics of the combat aspect of the game) you can get a decisive combat when anyone can simply warp away? Of course someone has to win in a universe where conflict is constant and drives the economy. Replace the word "webber" with "tractor" and both Star Trek and Star Wars include many instances of "cheating" according to the above statement. In World of Tanks is it cheating to shoot engines or tracks? In Mechwarrior am I not allowed to shoot legs because thats cheating too?
Pok Nibin wrote:I think these things are finding their ways into games to accommodate a psychotic tendency shared by the majority of the world's population - impatience being one of the symptoms. These sorts of "improvements" serve only to shorten the length of time it might require to do something otherwise. It might take years to make that much ISK. It might take years to finally destroy that sucker's ship! Wanting to have fun is psychotic, and you feel left out and in extremem minority because you dont want to have any, thats what you have just said.
Pok Nibin wrote:As in all such matters, the afflicted ones bray the loudest. They know they like it for the above stated reasons, but claim it has something to do with some other line of logic. When pressed, ultimately, it then becomes "just a game. What's the big deal?" Apart from the intellectual dishonesty and lack of integrity involved, I guess there ISN'T a big deal. SO, if it's NOT a big deal, why the LOUD DISAGREEMENT when it's MENTIONED? HUH? This part I like. You have basically said "Anyone who disagrees with me is a liar"
Well lie me up, because your post is full of **** "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Maldam
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.06.01 01:27:00 -
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I could buy all the PLEX needed to have anything I could fly with never engaging in any ISK producing activities, and yet I still choose to engage in those activities because I simply enjoy that part of the game.
While I could buy a lot of ISK, it would not mean I won more encounters.
For this game at least, it is an interesting mechanic that adds to game play without being anything like a "I WIN" card.
Most everyone who has played for as long as the OP has would realize this I expect. |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1109
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Posted - 2014.06.02 09:39:00 -
[118] - Quote
Keep in mind that without the current plex system, Eve would lose a large number of players.
The option only exists because of the fact that people are reselling it to other polayers. No plex for isk = no way to pay for subscription using purely In game currency.
I've paid for my sub the normal way over the last 9 years, but I know tons of people that sub via plex. Many of them simply could not afford to play the game with real money. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4709
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Posted - 2014.06.02 10:43:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote: Many of them simply could not afford to play the game with real money.
*Looks at Drake sitting in belt in lowsec 0.1AU from a gate / plate of birdseed with "Free Birdseed" sign in it, and walks on* "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15753
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:32:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:The OP, if you noticed, contradicts himself "ISK is...an investment..." I agree it's cheating. Just because it's endorsed by the game rules makers, that doesn't make it not cheating. The rules makers in EVE also play the game, so they aren't as reliable as one might assume. Once this cheating was allowed, it shifted the related stat calibration. Being rich had nothing to do with being good at the game.
I've said for years now that webbing and warp scramming are the same things - cheats. (I do call them "crutches", but I mean cheats when I say that.) They're there for ego purposes only - 'cause someone has to "win". I've mentioned the vast majority of naval engagements result in no winner per se, and uninformed, and ill-read idiots spew forth "HUH???" Which, is expected.
I think these things are finding their ways into games to accommodate a psychotic tendency shared by the majority of the world's population - impatience being one of the symptoms. These sorts of "improvements" serve only to shorten the length of time it might require to do something otherwise. It might take years to make that much ISK. It might take years to finally destroy that sucker's ship!
As in all such matters, the afflicted ones bray the loudest. They know they like it for the above stated reasons, but claim it has something to do with some other line of logic. When pressed, ultimately, it then becomes "just a game. What's the big deal?" Apart from the intellectual dishonesty and lack of integrity involved, I guess there ISN'T a big deal. SO, if it's NOT a big deal, why the LOUD DISAGREEMENT when it's MENTIONED? HUH?
It's funny.
I'm picturing you as the sort of person who also has a lot to say about chemtrails. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
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