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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:47:00 -
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Why?
Well they are a specialised ship, so no newbies should be flying them straight away. They are going to be a gank favourite, discourage alt recycling. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:54:00 -
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IIRC, the prereq is Battlecruisers 5 ... and large guns, etc...
is that not already a fairly long train? (well, a few months anyway) |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2011.11.17 17:07:00 -
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Working as intended. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.17 19:37:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:IIRC, the prereq is Battlecruisers 5 ... and large guns, etc...
is that not already a fairly long train? (well, a few months anyway)
*flips open his notebook while adjusting the police cap he is wearing* Just the facts, ma'am... ...as currently of today on Sisi... ...Cruiser 3 and Battle Cruiser 3... ...Tornado cannot fit a full rack of 1400mm artillery with out reactor controls ...So no need to get overly worried... Its just the facts ma'am
edit: and/or the skills bugged as hell, 1400 scout no problem but T2 are just a *****. have all fitting reduction for weapons maxed, but
To bring 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II online requires 160.88 power units, but only 123.87 of the 1250.00 units that your power core produces are still available.
PG: 123/1250 used
makes no sense but the PG goes negitive into the thousands while equipping and then corrects itself. CPU shouldn't be a problem, 17.625 CPU per gun (checking fitting stats) x 8 guns = 141.2 but CPU is running 304/427.5
second edit: PG doesn't calculate correctly when it shows, fitting the 8 guns has 7 onlined and 1 off with active pg at 123 when it should be 123x8= 984 + 123 = 1077 / 1250 which should still leave room to activate all 8
Can anyone fit the largest long range gun (Tachyon, 1400mm, 425m) to any Tier 3 BC ? Have maxed out fitting skills as well for gun support and CPU/PG of ship, but it looks like it should be possible without a reactor control. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.11.17 19:47:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Why?
Well they are a specialised ship, so no newbies should be flying them straight away. They are going to be a gank favourite, discourage alt recycling.
Not supported.
Stop mining gallente ice in highsec.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.11.18 10:30:00 -
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I am not Ice mining. However, I do feel that in any situation, we should have time to react and a fair chance to survive. It shouldn't be a foregone conclusion no matter what you do.
Aqriue wrote:[quote=Velicitia] Just the facts, ma'am... ...as currently of today on Sisi... ...Cruiser 3 and Battle Cruiser 3... .
That is fast, as for the rest, do you need a tank to gank? Just put power diagnostics on to fit he guns, weigh off the gain of a gun to the loss of a weapon upgrade. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
xUnlimitedx
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:09:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Why?
Well they are a specialised ship, so no newbies should be flying them straight away. They are going to be a gank favourite, discourage alt recycling.
Its not a fu***** specialised ship. Its a fu***** tier 3 Battlecruiser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:21:00 -
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xUnlimitedx wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Why?
Well they are a specialised ship, so no newbies should be flying them straight away. They are going to be a gank favourite, discourage alt recycling. Its not a fu***** specialised ship. Its a fu***** tier 3 Battlecruiser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glass cannon. Gank or fleet spank. Not the best 1 vs 1, not the best PVE ship, et cetera ad nauseum. They are rather specialised.
Now ... why would a veteran player with all those skill points find this upsetting enough to use expletives? Hmmm ... I wonder ... Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
168
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:50:00 -
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They're nothing special honestly, and you need to train a lot of skills to make them really shine (T2 large guns are no joke).
I can get a character into a Tech 1, tier 3 battleship pretty quickly. That doesn't mean I'm going to be able to access its full potential. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:50:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:... I can get a character into a Tech 1, tier 3 battleship pretty quickly. That doesn't mean I'm going to be able to access its full potential.
It should be more expensive though. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:19:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:... I can get a character into a Tech 1, tier 3 battleship pretty quickly. That doesn't mean I'm going to be able to access its full potential. It should be more expensive though.
I don't know what it costs but I think it should cost as much as a Tier 1 battleship. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
194
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:22:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:... I don't know what it costs but I think it should cost as much as a Tier 1 battleship.
60M from what I am hearing without limited seeding of the BPOs Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:29:00 -
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They're not particularly specialised, and already have skill requirements that far outweigh their lower-tier siblings, so they're not something a newbie will get into straight away.
Recycled alts will go for BSes due to lower costs and wider arrays of options for wreaking havoc. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Jenshae Chiroptera
194
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:05:00 -
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Yay Tipsy has arrived!
Maybe BS needs a review too. Far too many newbs get into a BS then get ganked and rage quit. Should be something you only start to think about when you are around the 10M SP mark. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
169
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:24:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Yay Tipsy has arrived!
Maybe BS needs a review too. Far too many newbs get into a BS then get ganked and rage quit. Should be something you only start to think about when you are around the 10M SP mark.
No review is needed. Let them learn the hard way if they want to rush into battleships. |
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:53:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Yay Tipsy has arrived!
Maybe BS needs a review too. Far too many newbs get into a BS then get ganked and rage quit. Should be something you only start to think about when you are around the 10M SP mark.
i'd rather reduce skill requirements and let people use whatever they can afford. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:12:00 -
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I would like a margin for prefection.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
194
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:32:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I would like a margin for prefection.
They are there in supporting skills Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
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Posted - 2011.11.19 02:45:00 -
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They are Tier 3 but still Tech 1.
From what I have seen on the test server they may require only some basic skills, but to really make full use of them players will have to train large T2 guns which takes quite an amount of time and specialisation. Even then excellent fitting skills are a must-have, since the Tier 3 are short on CPU/PG.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.11.19 11:39:00 -
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I disagree. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.19 16:11:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I disagree.
Unfortunately for you, you're wrong. |
Schnoo
The Schnoo
11
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Posted - 2011.11.19 17:00:00 -
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I don't think there's a particular problem as far as specialization goes. In fact, the old battlecruisers were the ones that broke the trend (as seen upwards in terms of ship size) of specialization. All races have tech 1, frigates and cruisers that are specialized: mini recons, dps (often in race primary and secondary weapons) and even mining boats.
The only special feature these new battlecruisers have is the absurdly small tank, which new players may feel the hurt from, especially if running missions. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
196
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Posted - 2011.11.20 00:10:00 -
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Yup. Need to discourage the recycled alts and newbs at the same time. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Aessaya
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.11.20 00:38:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Velicitia wrote:IIRC, the prereq is Battlecruisers 5 ... and large guns, etc...
is that not already a fairly long train? (well, a few months anyway) *flips open his notebook while adjusting the police cap he is wearing* Just the facts, ma'am... ...as currently of today on Sisi... ...Cruiser 3 and Battle Cruiser 3... ...Tornado cannot fit a full rack of 1400mm artillery with out reactor controls ...So no need to get overly worried... Its just the facts ma'am edit: and/or the skills bugged as hell, 1400 scout no problem but T2 are just a *****. have all fitting reduction for weapons maxed, but To bring 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II online requires 160.88 power units, but only 123.87 of the 1250.00 units that your power core produces are still available. PG: 123/1250 used makes no sense but the PG goes negitive into the thousands while equipping and then corrects itself. CPU shouldn't be a problem, 17.625 CPU per gun (checking fitting stats) x 8 guns = 141.2 but CPU is running 304/427.5 second edit: PG doesn't calculate correctly when it shows, fitting the 8 guns has 7 onlined and 1 off with active pg at 123 when it should be 123x8= 984 + 123 = 1077 / 1250 which should still leave room to activate all 8 Can anyone fit the largest long range gun (Tachyon, 1400mm, 425m) to any Tier 3 BC ? Have maxed out fitting skills as well for gun support and CPU/PG of ship, but it looks like it should be possible without a reactor control.
You've certainly missed one of the devblogs, this one, specifically a part, where it states "...CPU and Power grid values displaying the remaining amount rather than used amount...". Ah, you seek meaning?-áThen listen to the music, not the song. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1565
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Posted - 2011.11.20 01:05:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Yup. Need to discourage the recycled alts and newbs at the same time. Not really, no. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.11.21 00:16:00 -
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I disagree. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
14
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Posted - 2011.11.21 01:17:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:... I don't know what it costs but I think it should cost as much as a Tier 1 battleship. 60M from what I am hearing without limited seeding of the BPOs
that's 30 mil ish over the cost fotm BC's in game already. Which is inline with the bs price structure Nothing to see here. hell its a few mil off of t1 bs' I have seen. One of the reasons I trained jam scorpion....its much cheaper blow up vice the rokh.
Also have to factor in fotm pricing. It will be boosted until you get some cheap bpc's on the market at decent me to use "free" mins. This won't be for a while. Starting at BC you get them long research cycles. haven't looked at specs but these will be 2 months I imagine till you can get a good bpc or self researched bpo to diy the builds from mins you collect over time to make them more proiftable to gank in.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.11.21 01:20:00 -
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Erm ... maybe prices have changed but I was spending 60-80M on a cane and most battleships seemed to be 100 -150M+? Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
14
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Posted - 2011.11.21 01:28:00 -
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cane hull friday ran me 30 mil. Scorpion hulls are like 70-80 mil last time i made them. Been a few months but I have a good bpo for them..
I write off mods. YOu collect back 25-50% of em from the wreck if lucky. I keep ammo costs down by the old standy 2-4 reloads unless I feel fc is not suicidal or we have a set roam time (or a pos bash) . If I ganked be even cheaper....1 reload if that. I know concord is coming, why die with a full hold off of rf or cn ammo. I would be dying before I am empty anyway....why waste the ammo. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.21 02:04:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Yay Tipsy has arrived!
Maybe BS needs a review too. Far too many newbs get into a BS then get ganked and rage quit. Should be something you only start to think about when you are around the 10M SP mark.
Maybe you should stop posting?
We shouldn't design gameplay around retaining people who fly around in heavy missile fit ravens. There are already too many idiots in this game, most of them can be found in TEST.
Let me tell you about how in Fountain we've got people losing tengus and carriers constantly because they think that it's a good idea to go ratting when there are neutrals in local "because they've been there all day and are probably AFK". Couple of months ago one of our useless carrier ratters came under attack and he ejected before his carrier went down, because he wanted to save his pod. His attackers stopped shooting it and instead they stole his Archon. Clearly having skillpoints doesn't stop you from being a colossal mouth-breathing ****** with no common sense whatsoever, so there's no point in adding more boring skill training grind to this already horrible game just to fly ships that already require a few million SP to fit and fly properly.
As for alts and recycling characters, recycling characters is against the EULA, I don't see the point in padding out skill requirements and ruining everybody else's fun in order to stop people who are breaking the rules. Also who the hell recycles a character that can fly a battleship when they can take it out to nullsec and rat their way back up to positive sec while training skills and making money? |
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