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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:43:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's not "assmad", it's pointing out that this goes against CCP's stated policy.
It's repeatedly bellyaching about an as yet unfinished and unreleased expansion; other than the current SiSi build, there is no guarantee that they will violate that policy. It's pretty ******** to say "oh it's only on SiSi not talking about it is definitely better than pointing out potential problems." "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22278
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:46:00 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:2nd thread is not relevant, asking a totally different question that i already know the answer to 3rd thread, not relevant, it was clearly stated in the dev blog what they were doing (you know except for the SDO part) 4th thead, very useful, but if i wasnt on the forum that day before it got buried then **** me right? 5th thead also not relevent, same as the 3rd thread, already know answer
None of these addressed my question GǪand yet they are all relevant since they inform you of the nature of the change.
Quote:why did CCP not make this change publicly available outside of 1 forum post? Because that one forum post was all it took to make it (very) public, as demonstrated by all those threads?
Quote:Really? because every single features and ideas thread with changes has had an amendment at the top saying 'LOOK WE CHANGED STUFF' 1. No. 2. This wasn't an F&I thread. 3. Irrespective of your excuses, your GÇ£effortsGÇ¥ still exclude keeping track of what the devs say in response to feedback, for no good reason. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:54:00 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:remember when this was important to you to?
No
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2785
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:55:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's not "assmad", it's pointing out that this goes against CCP's stated policy.
It's repeatedly bellyaching about an as yet unfinished and unreleased expansion; other than the current SiSi build, there is no guarantee that they will violate that policy. It's pretty ******** to say "oh it's only on SiSi not talking about it is definitely better than pointing out potential problems."
Yes, and the drone skill split was broken for nearly two weeks on SiSi.
It's a good thing they didn't go fix that, at all.
Except that they did; and it didn't require your constant complaints in multiple threads to get it done. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4638
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:55:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's pretty ******** to say "oh it's only on SiSi not talking about it is definitely better than pointing out potential problems."
More or less ******** than at least four threads about something that hasnt even been released? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10157
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:56:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's not "assmad", it's pointing out that this goes against CCP's stated policy.
It's repeatedly bellyaching about an as yet unfinished and unreleased expansion; other than the current SiSi build, there is no guarantee that they will violate that policy. It's pretty ******** to say "oh it's only on SiSi not talking about it is definitely better than pointing out potential problems." Yes, and the drone skill split was broken for nearly two weeks on SiSi. It's a good thing they didn't go fix that, at all. Except that they did; and it didn't require your constant complaints in multiple threads to get it done. How do you know it's broken and not what they intend to do? Especially considering Kronos is coming out in 4 days. They explicitly told us what they were going to do with the drone skill split, so it was obviously broken on sisi. They still haven't said anything about what skill is going to unlock T2 DLAs.
Don't ******* tell me you trust CCP to do everything right. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
32
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sahriah BloodStone wrote:2nd thread is not relevant, asking a totally different question that i already know the answer to 3rd thread, not relevant, it was clearly stated in the dev blog what they were doing (you know except for the SDO part) 4th thead, very useful, but if i wasnt on the forum that day before it got buried then **** me right? 5th thead also not relevent, same as the 3rd thread, already know answer
None of these addressed my question GǪand yet they are all relevant since they inform you of the nature of the change. Quote:why did CCP not make this change publicly available outside of 1 forum post? Because that one forum post was all it took to make it (very) public, as demonstrated by all those threads? Quote:Really? because every single features and ideas thread with changes has had an amendment at the top saying 'LOOK WE CHANGED STUFF' 1. No. 2. This wasn't an F&I thread. 3. Irrespective of your excuses, your GǣeffortsGǥ still exclude keeping track of what the devs say in response to feedback, for no good reason.
1. Noo...those threads save for one did nothing but ask questions that had ALREADY been answered by the dev blog 2. Devs responding to feedback is different then devs making rather important changes to the game and informing no-one other then that thread.
I don't quite understand why you are against me asking for more viability for important information. There is no good reason to ever be against more viability for things like this which leads me to think you are just trolling because you can. 'Oh some poor person didn't read every dev post ever, because they reasonably expected that any important changes would be broadcast to a larger audience. Lets laugh at them!' |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10157
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:58:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's pretty ******** to say "oh it's only on SiSi not talking about it is definitely better than pointing out potential problems."
More or less ******** than at least four threads about something that hasnt even been released? Less, admittedly. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4638
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:00:00 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote: I don't quite understand why you are against me asking for more viability for important information.
1) Its not important
2) Its not reliable information
3) There's no guaruntee ANY of this will even happen "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22278
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:03:00 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:1. Noo...those threads save for one did nothing but ask questions that had ALREADY been answered by the dev blog GǪand yet they are all relevant since they inform you of the nature of the change.
Quote:2. Devs responding to feedback is different then devs making rather important changes to the game and informing no-one other then that thread. Not really, no, since the changes are a response to feedback. That's exactly why you should keep an eye on the comment threads and not just immediately act on the dev blog (especially if the final implementation is months away).
Quote:I don't quite understand why you are against me asking for more viability for important information. Because you weren't asking for more visibility GÇö you were trying to blame others for your own mistakes. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2785
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:09:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: They still haven't said anything about what skill is going to unlock T2 DLAs.
I eagerly await the thread that you're going to start where you ask them, James.
This is after all a matter of great importance to you.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10157
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:16:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: They still haven't said anything about what skill is going to unlock T2 DLAs.
I eagerly await the thread that you're going to start where you ask them, James. This is after all a matter of great importance to you. You know how I said that it's ******** to open yet another thread about the skill split? Yeah, there are threads regarding the T2 TLA question as well. The question was asked in the dev blog thread itself. No answer. So it's not as if it hasn't been asked. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10157
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:18:00 -
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And yes it is of great importance to me that CCP apply their policies consistently and fairly, as it should be to you and everyone else who plays this game. It doesn't matter that I'm not personally affected. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2785
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:20:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: They still haven't said anything about what skill is going to unlock T2 DLAs.
I eagerly await the thread that you're going to start where you ask them, James. This is after all a matter of great importance to you. You know how I said that it's ******** to open yet another thread about the skill split? Yeah, there are threads regarding the T2 TLA question as well. The question was asked in the dev blog thread itself. No answer. So it's not as if it hasn't been asked. Yes, but where did you ask it? It seems to mean so much to you. Have you personally asked about the DLA II in any thread where doing so was actually on topic? Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10157
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:25:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: They still haven't said anything about what skill is going to unlock T2 DLAs.
I eagerly await the thread that you're going to start where you ask them, James. This is after all a matter of great importance to you. You know how I said that it's ******** to open yet another thread about the skill split? Yeah, there are threads regarding the T2 TLA question as well. The question was asked in the dev blog thread itself. No answer. So it's not as if it hasn't been asked. Yes, but where did you ask it? It seems to mean so much to you. Have you personally asked about the DLA II in any thread where doing so was actually on topic? Why are you even pursuing this argument? It seems rather strange to me since your entire basis for it is the fact that you don't care. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2785
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: They still haven't said anything about what skill is going to unlock T2 DLAs.
I eagerly await the thread that you're going to start where you ask them, James. This is after all a matter of great importance to you. You know how I said that it's ******** to open yet another thread about the skill split? Yeah, there are threads regarding the T2 TLA question as well. The question was asked in the dev blog thread itself. No answer. So it's not as if it hasn't been asked. Yes, but where did you ask it? It seems to mean so much to you. Have you personally asked about the DLA II in any thread where doing so was actually on topic? Why are you even pursuing this argument? It seems rather strange to me since your entire basis for it is the fact that you don't care. I am attempting to ascertain how many more threads I can expect you to help derail before you start your own about this topic. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10157
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:31:00 -
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You can't derail a thread that was never on tracks to begin with.
I've repurposed it. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
32
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:34:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Sahriah BloodStone wrote: I don't quite understand why you are against me asking for more viability for important information.
1) Its not important 2) Its not reliable information 3) There's no guaruntee ANY of this will even happen
I suppose we have a difference of opinion regarding what information is important or not.
Its 5 days before patch day, patch notes are out..so i guess its only reliable information when it ships?
You know Tippia, i generally read feedback threads and most of the time the devs just answer basic questions that arnt related to actually changing the mechanics. Yes i can read every dev post on the forums ever for the rest of my life and that might save me from any more 'mistakes' but when the large majority of game populations don't read forums, and for that matter a lot of new players not even understanding where things are, how is that helping them? There are 50,000 views on that thread and 500,000 players playing eve (yes there are alts but i figure for all the repeat times people visiting and comment on the same thead we can agree that the vast majority do not read them, and those that do certainly don't read all of it.
Do you want me to look at every page for 49 pages to make sure ive seen every dev post? Does that make more sense to you then them just broadcasting changes they make after feedback? I mean i don't think it even shows you how many dev posts in a thread there are, or let you skip to the next one.
Regardless of if ive done anything wrong by not checking, i think CCP needs to make sure that they are doing everything they can to make those changes visible. Hell i would be happy if they just updated the first post, i mean i did check that since they have a history of making changes visible there.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15692
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:36:00 -
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Well to be fair it's not as bad as that time Chribba trolled a bunch of people into believing that new players would start with 6.66M skillpoints and then some more people rad thread titles and posted new threads of their own and... "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
32
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:39:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Well to be fair it's not as bad as that time Chribba trolled a bunch of people into believing that new players would start with 6.66M skillpoints and then some more people read thread titles complaining about it and posted new threads of their own and...
What a fantastic and close comparison of situations. I take back everything ive said. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10157
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:40:00 -
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I don't think it would have helped much if CCP had updated the dev blog. How many people read those more than once? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
411
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:43:00 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:From my experience any changes have been officially announced or amended in the either the dev blog or a new article. I shouldnt have to sift through 20 pages of random crap to find all the dev posts and make sure they are informing us correctly Did you know you can simply click on the blue Dev icon on the Devs' pictures to immediately skip to the next Dev post? Makes checking for changes and updates very quick.
If you're taking any action (e.g. skill training or trying to anticipate market trends) on a future feature, that involves assets that you value (e.g. time or ISK), bookmark the latest relevant Dev Post and, before enjoying the latest ALOD on TMC, check it (click on the blue icon). Takes less than a minute, even if you're following 20 threads.
Having said that, and while I believe CCP in general do an outstanding job of informing and communicating with the playerbase, sure they also should've updated the Dev Blog in this specific case. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4638
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:44:00 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote: I suppose we have a difference of opinion regarding what information is important or not. Its 5 days before patch day, patch notes are out..so i guess its only reliable information when it ships?.
Exactly-a-mundo. Its not real until it exists. Even then, it could be taken away at any moment if there is an unforseen bug.
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:Regardless of if ive done anything wrong by not checking, i think CCP needs to make sure that they are doing everything they can to make those changes visible.
They do.
They are called "Patch Notes" and are heavily advertised when available. "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4638
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:45:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't think it would have helped much if CCP had updated the dev blog. How many people read those more than once? I dont even read it once
Waste of "important" time I could use to do other first-worldy things like play WoT while I AFK-Cloak "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
32
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:53:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Sahriah BloodStone wrote:From my experience any changes have been officially announced or amended in the either the dev blog or a new article. I shouldnt have to sift through 20 pages of random crap to find all the dev posts and make sure they are informing us correctly Did you know you can simply click on the blue Dev icon on the Devs' pictures to immediately skip to the next Dev post? Makes checking for changes and updates very quick. If you're taking any action (e.g. skill training or trying to anticipate market trends) on a future feature, that involves assets that you value (e.g. time or ISK), bookmark the latest relevant Dev Post and, before enjoying the latest ALOD on TMC, check it (click on the blue icon). Takes less than a minute, even if you're following 20 threads. Having said that, and while I believe CCP in general do an outstanding job of informing and communicating with the playerbase, sure they also should've updated the Dev Blog in this specific case.
No i didn't know that, so thank you. Normally most game forums have a 'jump to next dev post' button, and that doesn't exist except for the first post so i was not aware.
I waited until 1 1/2 weeks before the patch to make sure nothing changed during the couple months between dev post and patch notes, i checked the feedback threads original post to see if they posted any changes, i checked the original dev post and watched mittani and the eve reddit for mention of anything, and saw nothing. I did what i thought was needed to ensure i was doing the right thing, its just in this case they didnt update the original post, it was 30 pages in.
I agree CCP are generally quite good with communication, its just this time they didn't follow their normal procedure. |
Xasnevian
sadfadsfadsadsf
43
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:53:00 -
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We're really doing this again? Or should I just type 'inb4 lock'? |
Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
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Posted - 2014.05.30 08:08:00 -
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Hey, look... it's still this thread...
"HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3304
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Posted - 2014.05.30 08:16:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't think it would have helped much if CCP had updated the dev blog. How many people read those more than once? It'd help those who hadn't read it yet, for a couple minutes' worth of text editing. The error was seen fairly quickly iirc |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
1969
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Posted - 2014.05.30 08:16:00 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:2nd thread is not relevant, asking a totally different question that i already know the answer to 3rd thread, not relevant, it was clearly stated in the dev blog what they were doing (you know except for the SDO part) 4th thead, very useful, but if i wasnt on the forum that day before it got buried then **** me right? 5th thead also not relevent, same as the 3rd thread, already know answer None of these addressed my question, which was why did CCP not make this change publicly available outside of 1 forum post? Surely it wouldn't have been much effort to make a article appear on the eve launcher letting everyone know, especially if you all think that everyone and their mother had been making threads about it.
To be honest, I was not able to properly grasp your intent posting this thread, so I wanted to give you related information.
You were asking why we were not informed? First linked thread: we were
Did you worry you need to finish training SDO to V before the changes, even though you already had CDO to V? 4th post in the second linked thread, dev explaining how SDO relates to the new drone avionics and that "you can safely keep that skill in training without losing any progress".
You said you "wasted" skill time. So it wasn't that improbable to assume you might think about reimbursement. In any case, linking you to a discussion about that topic wouldn't hurt, hence thread 3.
4th thread to give you an example that people were aware of this fact. It also contains posts over a time span of 3 weeks, not one day.
5th thread contains an, admittedly quite tedious, discussion concerning that matter, which nevertheless encompasses more or less all the aspects of the change. over and over again .. and again .. I linked that for completeness's sake, hence the warning about the "endless discussion". |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4638
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Posted - 2014.05.30 08:35:00 -
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How to EvE Skills 101
Know what you are aiming for or to do.
Type *skill name* into Google, possibly with EvE Uni or other "recommended" boolean phrasing
If there's a lot of recent talk about said skill(s) in forums, cross reference with words "Dev Notes" and "Patch Notes"
If "Dev Notes" appears without "Patch Notes", train something else until next patch.
When Patch comes out, check Patch Notes and train appropriately for 30mins-30 years at gas mark 5
Dont Do What Donnie Don't Does by considering either Dev Notes or Patch Notes to be cast in stone. Patch Notes are gospel, but are subject to change.
Dev Notes are stories told to sick animals to put them to sleep "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
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