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Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.01 12:14:00 -
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This is what a debate on Climate Change should look like
This just hit my mail inbox. It's quite clever, if you ask me, and also is, you know, true. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1547
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Posted - 2014.06.01 14:08:00 -
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honestly.
Climate change is happening, yes. We have a hand on it, yes.
But, I'm more on the side that we are making it happening faster, not the sole reason why it happens. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.01 14:50:00 -
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well as im not a parent and have no intention of being or even a grand parent then my answer to this question is fuk em !
and to answer the question of climate change ..the climate allways bloody changes ..has been since the earth was formed and will still do long after we as humans will have died out . |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.06.01 17:38:00 -
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jason hill wrote:well as im not a parent and have no intention of being or even a grand parent then my answer to this question is fuk em !
and to answer the question of climate change ..the climate allways bloody changes ..has been since the earth was formed and will still do long after we as humans will have died out .
uh huh. but why does it happen? look at the history.
it happens when co2 increases or decreases. that can happen for a lot of reasons. in the past it happened because of various natural causes. like volcanism. changing habitats. why is it happening now? ...where's all the co2 coming from? us. industry. fossil fuel consumption. deforestation. that last one will be the real killer. because forests and plant life in general use c02. so we are removing the things that breathe co2 and put out oxygen...and building more industry creating more co2.
*"duh" headsmack*
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jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:12:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:jason hill wrote:well as im not a parent and have no intention of being or even a grand parent then my answer to this question is fuk em !
and to answer the question of climate change ..the climate allways bloody changes ..has been since the earth was formed and will still do long after we as humans will have died out . uh huh. but why does it happen? look at the history. it happens when co2 increases or decreases. that can happen for a lot of reasons. in the past it happened because of various natural causes. like volcanism. changing habitats. why is it happening now? ...where's all the co2 coming from? us. industry. fossil fuel consumption. deforestation. that last one will be the real killer. because forests and plant life in general use c02. so we are removing the things that breathe co2 and put out oxygen...and building more industry creating more co2. *"duh" headsmack*
absaloute tosh ! worst statement ever ! .... in the middle ages here in the UK we used to grow grapes ...yes here in the UK we had vinyards ... also in the 18th century our elders used to ice skate on the river thames ........WHICH WAS WELL BEFORE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION !!!!
facts young padwan !! get your facts RIGHT ! before jumping on the bandwagon !
im not suggesting we arnt assisting ...but FFS ! cows fart more c02 than we produce ...shall we kill all of them aswell ....
"duh!" headbutt to the fkn face for uninformed stupid post !
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:14:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:honestly.
Climate change is happening, yes. We have a hand on it, yes.
But, I'm more on the side that we are making it happening faster, not the sole reason why it happens.
It used to be natural, now its just us being stupid
Welcome to the Anthropocene age. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:21:00 -
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jason hill wrote:
absaloute tosh ! worst statement ever ! .... in the middle ages here in the UK we used to grow grapes ...yes here in the UK we had vinyards ... also in the 18th century our elders used to ice skate on the river thames ........WHICH WAS WELL BEFORE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION !!!!
facts young padwan !! get your facts RIGHT ! before jumping on the bandwagon !
im not suggesting we arnt assisting ...but FFS ! cows fart more c02 than we produce ...shall we kill all of them aswell ....
"duh!" headbutt to the fkn face for uninformed stupid post !
Fun fact!
We grew grapes and made wine when part of the Roman empire. Infact we made wine until a cultural change and a love for Mead in the dark ages, it wasn't picked up again in the uk until the mid 20th century due to a lack of knowledge even though we could grow them.
Fun fact 2!
It is now widely believed that a mild ice age was averted around 7000bc due to the spread of farming. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:jason hill wrote:
absaloute tosh ! worst statement ever ! .... in the middle ages here in the UK we used to grow grapes ...yes here in the UK we had vinyards ... also in the 18th century our elders used to ice skate on the river thames ........WHICH WAS WELL BEFORE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION !!!!
facts young padwan !! get your facts RIGHT ! before jumping on the bandwagon !
im not suggesting we arnt assisting ...but FFS ! cows fart more c02 than we produce ...shall we kill all of them aswell ....
"duh!" headbutt to the fkn face for uninformed stupid post !
Fun fact! We grew grapes and made wine when part of the Roman empire. Infact we made wine until a cultural change and a love for Mead in the dark ages, it wasn't picked up again in the uk until the mid 20th century due to a lack of knowledge even though we could grow them. Fun fact 2! It is now widely believed that a mild ice age was averted around 7000bc due to the spread of farming. sauce? I believe you im just qurious "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1547
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grimpak wrote:honestly.
Climate change is happening, yes. We have a hand on it, yes.
But, I'm more on the side that we are making it happening faster, not the sole reason why it happens. It used to be natural, now its just us being stupid Welcome to the Anthropocene age. we're just like that, I guess. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:47:00 -
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"What if the climate change is one big hoax and we are just creating a better world for nothing"
- Some comic I once came across. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
8554
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:48:00 -
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jason hill wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:jason hill wrote:well as im not a parent and have no intention of being or even a grand parent then my answer to this question is fuk em !
and to answer the question of climate change ..the climate allways bloody changes ..has been since the earth was formed and will still do long after we as humans will have died out . uh huh. but why does it happen? look at the history. it happens when co2 increases or decreases. that can happen for a lot of reasons. in the past it happened because of various natural causes. like volcanism. changing habitats. why is it happening now? ...where's all the co2 coming from? us. industry. fossil fuel consumption. deforestation. that last one will be the real killer. because forests and plant life in general use c02. so we are removing the things that breathe co2 and put out oxygen...and building more industry creating more co2. *"duh" headsmack* absaloute tosh ! worst statement ever ! .... in the middle ages here in the UK we used to grow grapes ...yes here in the UK we had vinyards ... also in the 18th century our elders used to ice skate on the river thames ........WHICH WAS WELL BEFORE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION !!!! facts young padwan !! get your facts RIGHT ! before jumping on the bandwagon ! im not suggesting we arnt assisting ...but FFS ! cows fart more c02 than we produce ...shall we kill all of them aswell .... "duh!" headbutt to the fkn face for uninformed stupid post !
ooookaaay.
*backs away*
so, i'll guess i'll just go over here and be wrong. with like 97% of climatologists. don't mind us.
and by the way, cows are farming, which makes them part of industry.
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digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
343
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:52:00 -
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Now imagine when we'll be 10 billion within the next 30 years, or even 20 billion before the end of this century, and needing way more farmland to grown food, knocking down a lot more trees that absorb C02 and produce the oxygen we need to breathe, a lot more room for houses and services in general( schools, hospitals and the like), create a lot more jobs which further adds to the pollution issue, and transportation to get from point A to point B and of course with medical knowledge improving, people live longer lives.
So those young enough and thinking it's a future generation's problem and not mine might be in for a rude awakening... |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1547
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Posted - 2014.06.01 19:02:00 -
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jason hill wrote: facts young padwan !! get your facts RIGHT ! before jumping on the bandwagon !
im not suggesting we arnt assisting ...but FFS ! cows fart more c02 than we produce ...shall we kill all of them aswell ....
"duh!" headbutt to the fkn face for uninformed stupid post !
doesn't matter who produces more or less. **** needs to be done. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11765
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Posted - 2014.06.01 19:07:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: sauce? I believe you im just qurious
Education, I was aiming to get into Geology.
There are a large number of BBC science programmes from Professor Iain Stewart that go into detail on the subject. There are also some Horizon documentaries that get into some good detail and there might be a Royal Institute Christmas Lecture on the subject but I'm not sure on that one.
The biggest problem with Climate change is that the general public has very little easy to digest info on the subject and the news sites from both sides of the camp are terrible at reporting the subject. I'm one of those rare people that enjoy reading scientific papers Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Kurfin
Kippers and Jam Developments
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Posted - 2014.06.01 19:52:00 -
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It's probably too late to do anything about it. To reduce CO2 emissions enough would almost certainly destroy the global economy, so no one is going to do it. We are just going to have to learn to adapt to a warmer planet with higher sea levels, unless we can pull off one of the more outlandish ideas, like a sticking a solar shade up in to space.
Of course one of the big problems that doesn't get mentioned much, too many people. Politically a trick one to approach though. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.06.01 20:25:00 -
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Kurfin wrote:
Of course one of the big problems that doesn't get mentioned much, too many people. Politically a trick one to approach though.
Historically, there have always been men willing to dispose of even as many as in the millions. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1789
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Posted - 2014.06.01 20:26:00 -
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Saving the Planet? When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2014.06.01 20:29:00 -
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Fighting back climate change is not about saving the planet. It's just about saving our sorry asses. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1789
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Posted - 2014.06.01 20:44:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Fighting back climate change is not about saving the planet. It's just about saving our sorry asses.
You can not save the humanity from itself. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2014.06.01 20:51:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Fighting back climate change is not about saving the planet. It's just about saving our sorry asses. You can not save the humanity from itself.
Of course. But we're here because of all the ones who fought the good fight. |
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2014.06.01 21:00:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:"What if the climate change is one big hoax and we are just creating a better world for nothing"
- Some comic I once came across.
Relevant
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Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2014.06.01 21:05:00 -
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Webvan wrote:Mizhir wrote:"What if the climate change is one big hoax and we are just creating a better world for nothing"
- Some comic I once came across. Relevant
See! They can make a music video against reality! Thus reality is not real! (Or not as real as the OT God, who would go friggin' balistic if you denied him) |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6738
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Posted - 2014.06.01 21:24:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
See! They can make a music video against reality! Thus reality is not real! (Or not as real as the OT God, who would go friggin' balistic if you denied him)
haha! yeah totally bypass what the video is about, why it was made, the insane lie they got caught red handed in and still hold to. Just lay waste to it with silly comments, ignore it and go on with the age old campaign that gets lots of the high instigators filthy rich. I've just never been into hokey religions, myself... or is that hockey religion? ah
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digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
344
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Posted - 2014.06.01 21:42:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Fighting back climate change is not about saving the planet. It's just about saving our sorry asses. You can not save the humanity from itself. Of course. But we're here because of all the ones who fought the good fight.
And now the current and next few generations are going to screw it all up...:P
I was going to post that video too, which states that the planet has gone thru hell in all it's existence, but it's still here and only the dominant species living on the planet at the time changes, so it's inevitable unless some drastic laws are put into place that people will not like, like what was done in china for 30 years and recently lifted:
1 child per family or perhaps encouraging killing yourself once you reach a certain age where you can work anymore, can't pay taxes like you used to, but the health insurance costs go thru the roof because you get sick much more often, and the unfortunate reality is that for many people they are serious conditions with no cure yet, and they still receive their government pensions just the same, from government in each country getting more broke and in debt, every decade that passes.
I'm sure this will end up fine....
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1789
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Posted - 2014.06.01 21:46:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Fighting back climate change is not about saving the planet. It's just about saving our sorry asses. You can not save the humanity from itself. Of course. But we're here because of all the ones who fought the good fight.
And all those good fights have lead us where? How would you like to live in a cave and eat raw meat again? How humanity can stop fighting the good fights if you don't show them how? Can you fight the good fight to save you from yourself? You are your worst enemy now. Try not to win, because if you lose, your worst enemy is losing too. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
Adunh Slavy
1464
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Posted - 2014.06.01 22:24:00 -
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The problem with the whole climate thing is, some of you think it is a good idea to force people to do what you want. There is no "fair, balanced debate" so long as one side of the debate has guns. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
591
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Posted - 2014.06.01 23:00:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:baltec1 wrote:jason hill wrote:
absaloute tosh ! worst statement ever ! .... in the middle ages here in the UK we used to grow grapes ...yes here in the UK we had vinyards ... also in the 18th century our elders used to ice skate on the river thames ........WHICH WAS WELL BEFORE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION !!!!
facts young padwan !! get your facts RIGHT ! before jumping on the bandwagon !
im not suggesting we arnt assisting ...but FFS ! cows fart more c02 than we produce ...shall we kill all of them aswell ....
"duh!" headbutt to the fkn face for uninformed stupid post !
Fun fact! We grew grapes and made wine when part of the Roman empire. Infact we made wine until a cultural change and a love for Mead in the dark ages, it wasn't picked up again in the uk until the mid 20th century due to a lack of knowledge even though we could grow them. Fun fact 2! It is now widely believed that a mild ice age was averted around 7000bc due to the spread of farming. sauce? I believe you im just qurious
next some other senseless idiot is going to tell me that ice hockey was invented in Canada .... go on crazy bloody fools ! bloody dare me !!!!!
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.06.01 23:20:00 -
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digitalwanderer wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Fighting back climate change is not about saving the planet. It's just about saving our sorry asses. You can not save the humanity from itself. Of course. But we're here because of all the ones who fought the good fight. And now the current and next few generations are going to screw it all up...:P I was going to post that video too, which states that the planet has gone thru hell in all it's existence, but it's still here and only the dominant species living on the planet at the time changes, so it's inevitable unless some drastic laws are put into place that people will not like, like what was done in china for 30 years and recently lifted: 1 child per family or perhaps encouraging killing yourself once you reach a certain age where you can't work anymore, can't pay taxes like you used to, but the health insurance costs go thru the roof because you get sick much more often, and the unfortunate reality is that for many people they are serious conditions with no cure yet, and they still receive their government pensions just the same, from government in each country getting more broke and in debt, every decade that passes. I'm sure this will end up fine....
Implying that the people that are now in their fifties right now didn't screw everything up already. Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
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digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
344
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:32:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:
Implying that the people that are now in their fifties right now didn't screw everything up already.
Just saw the latest cosmos show speaking exactly about this topic funny enough, and in 1958 the annual output of C02 gas from all industries as well as volcanic eruptions and anything else that could contribute to the total was 6 billion tons.
Today, it totals 30 billion tons...A 5 fold increase in just 50 years, so we can imagine what the result will be like if we double the population in the next 50 years and still keep to burning oil, natural gas and coal as main energy providers.
We've gone from 300 milligrams of carbon dioxide, which has been the reference for the last 800 000 years to 450 milligrams since the industrial revolution started in the late 1800's and 600 milligrams is the tipping point where there's no going back, it might reach that mark by the end of this century and the earth gradually turns into another Venus.....Scary **** ladies and gents.
Action needs to be taken on a global scale involving every country, not just localized projects anymore to have enough time to reverse the tend and scientists knew this since the late 1880's, they did the math and 80 years later, NASA( in 1958) confirmed them as being on the money, but short term goals like cheap oil, natural gas and coal still dominated and we lived on a year to year basis even back then, and what would happen 100~200 years later, they didn't care.
Strangely similar attitude to what's happening now but we have much less time to react, even if our technology is more advanced than it was back then.....lobbies, politics, the money it would take for this massive project on a world wide scale, and do we have enough time left to pull this off and change our destiny....Seems we always have to have our backs to the wall to react.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.06.02 03:45:00 -
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It's a self-correcting problem. Or will be once agriculture is affected. For example, oil. A lot of middle east countries subsidize bread for the masses. Farming requires oil. When the oil prices went up, farming cost more, wheat prices went up[1], bread prices went up and countries like Egypt had to cut back on bread subsidies which caused angst amongst the masses.
Last I checked, the US exports 50% of the wheat it grows. When climate change impacts US food production, countries in the Middle East are going to have a difficult time feeding their people. The people revolt, Middle East oil production slows to a crawl. Any industrial country dependent on Middle East oil will suddenly be using less oil.
See, it's a self-correcting problem. Well, unless Canada[1] or Siberia, once they thaw out, become the world's breadbasket(s).
[1] Between 2006 and 2008 average world prices for rice rose by 217%, wheat by 136%, corn by 125% and soybeans by 107%. In late April 2008 rice prices hit 24 cents (U.S.) per U.S. pound, more than doubling the price in just seven months.
[2] The US will annex Canada because of climate change.
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