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Elroy Cruise
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:08:00 -
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One week ago, the first rumors of Mercenary Coalition taking a contract on the Big Blue started to spread accross EVE.
When we first heard about that, our initial reaction was "WTF?".
Why ? Because we are used to pirates and griefers being attracted to the Carebear Frontier as a place to get some cheap ganks and publicity, and also to self-proclaimed 'ebil' types to vow death on what we stand for.
...but we couldn't fathom who in his right mind would have an interest in spending the resources and ISK required to destroy the community service we have been providing for the past 5 months (the Blue Pill was open to the public january 20-ish).
We contacted MC, who confirmed they were indeed about to war dec us, and made very clear it was their own decision to pick BLUE as their current contract among several offers made to them at the time.
A few hours later, Mercenary Coalition declared war on The Big Blue [BLUE].
We were never candid about the safety of the Carebear Frontier. We know that some people enjoy destruction for its own sake, and have been reasonably prepared to defend this project and the people who benefit from it.
"Reasonably" didn't include facing someone willing to spend dozens of billions into grief play, hidden behind the alt-like protection of Mercenary Coalition. Also, and to be perfectly honest, we didn't expect MC to take a contract against the Carebear Frontier, given the choice.
Why ? Let me quote Loxy Rider from MC:
We are annoyed and disapointed. Thats it, this doesnt hurt us, it doesnt infringe on our human rights, we just thought some things would be respected not because it was made by one of our members or associated with us but because it was a special little thing in eve.
It shows MC can recognize grief and disapprove of it when they see it, and also that whatever they do, they recognize some symbolic limits in conduct. At least for others.
The first few days of war were mostly fought in good spirit on both sides, and MC was made aware we were prepared to do our best and keep it that way as long as they didn't show any sign of being intent on destroying the Carebear Frontier.
This we would recognize as useless, harmful for a waste, hence grief. Capital ships were spotted by our scouts, but no move was made in the direction of escalating this conflict.
Knowing how familiar the leads of MC are with this project (as they helped deploying the Blue Pill), and the fact they repeatedly claimed to respect the work we put to help the community, we earnestly thought MC got the signal, and trusted their supposed honorability as warriors to not cross that line...
Last night, MC deployed its first tower (a minmatar large) in BWF-ZZ, on Planet 8, Moon 6, and got several carriers in system.
At 14.35h evetime today, a small caldari tower on Planet 4, Moon 1 will get out of reinforced mode, likely to be finished by MC forces.
MC is now out to destroy the Carebear Frontier, without the shadow of a doubt. We are beyond sparring and educating each other, here. It's about waging a pointless war of destruction against pro-bono work. MC, their client (provided there is one) are now considered grief-players by BLUE and will be dealt with accordingly.
Thus, we invite all pilots and groups who believe that our efforts benefit the community to think about whether they care enough to get involved, and know the consequences before they do.
We are not calling for help on account of us being poor puppies, as debuting this project was our initiative, and contrary to others, we are prepared to live up to the chances we take.
We urge people to not take this lightly, and acknowledge that assisting in protection of the Carebear Frontier, will gain you nothing personally, and exposes you to be harassed and griefed in turn by MC and whoever hides behind them.
Cheers, Elroy Cruise - FBS bartender.
PS: Fact finding and FAQ in following posts, smack allowing.
N.A.G.A scout, bookie specialist, part-time diplomat. |
Elroy Cruise
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:11:00 -
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Quick facts about the Carebear Frontier and how we came to the conclusion this war is pure grief.
We must assume whoever is behind the attack on IPS-QB territorial integrity knows what they're up against, considering the resources and ISK involved in such an effort.
Excluding grief, the only sensible target would be N.A.G.A - to drive prices up - as we have long been known for "bringing tech2 to the masses".
Problem is: destroying the carebear frontier doesn't impact N.A.G.A's ability to sell tech2 for below-average prices (and not sell bulk).
Neither N.A.G.A nor BLUE ever was about making ISK. N.A.G.A is profitable, indeed, yet only because of our members and friends working for little to no compensation. Sorry to disappoint, we are using ISK to serve purposes, but greed and hoarding are not part of our agenda.
Looking at facts: we don't make a dime out of IPS-QB.
BLUE industrial network in IPS-QB is mainly constituted of POSes running reactions for tech2 advanced materials, that is true. Those towers are operated and owned by BLUE members, from which N.A.G.A buys the products at market price, and oftentimes above. It allows people to be compensated for the effort of operating towers whose other purpose is to maintain the sovereignty of IPS-QB and offer travelers protection in BLUE space.
In fact, N.A.G.A getting tech2 advanced materials from IPS-QB operations is a financially losing proposition, more accurately it's a pro-bono contribution to a community service. ISK-wise, losing IPS-QB would cost N.A.G.A and other BLUE members only the isk we will pour in defending it, but will not hamper BLUE industrial abilities.
The loss will be only on the Carebear Frontier and those who benefit from BLUE's hospitality and the opportunity it offers to learn the ropes of 0.0.
N.A.G.A scout, bookie specialist, part-time diplomat. |
Jor Azmeh
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:13:00 -
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I'm sure things were happy-go-lucky, even after the shark was defaced.
however TBB's constant smack about it perhaps really ticked them off?
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Rohann
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:14:00 -
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Quote: Quick facts about the Carebear Frontier and how we came to the conclusion this war is pure grief.
You are not being griefed. You are a valid merc target. Get over it.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:17:00 -
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If NAGA raises T2 prices, more will attack Big Blue or people will just take back their T2 BPOs. Just my 5 ISKs. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dying has never been sexier.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:17:00 -
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Who cares?
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Esaam DeVries
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:18:00 -
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Did you build a shipyard ? --
Please, visit the TRUST Shop : from T2 to Captital ships. |
maGz
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rohann
Quote: Quick facts about the Carebear Frontier and how we came to the conclusion this war is pure grief.
You are not being griefed. You are a valid merc target. Get over it.
Get over yourself... TBB is in every right to claim they're being griefed (as far as I know they're the ones being shot by MC not you, so tbh you should STFU and read that book Lunas referred you to in the other thread) ______________________
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:29:00 -
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Why are you whining to the community about this? Go and defend your system. You have the numbers, if you have a 100 man BS fleet in system at all times MC CANNOT take any of your POS's, as a 100man fleet + POS guns will rip apart any hostile force that MC could possibly field against them. Without taking your POS's you'll keep the system. If you sit and cry wah without doing anything to defend your home, you deserve to lose it IMHO.
Max
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Marie Elise
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:29:00 -
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The board is set... the pieces are moving
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nickycakes
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:36:00 -
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Fully agree with max. I think you guys are underestimating your abilities a tad. The small blobs ive seen TBB put together on very short notice to drive our ganksquads out are almost enough to pop a couple nags with the right setup and tactics. I know for a fact that you have the industrial backing to pop out battleships as fast as I go through interceptors. I say get in there and win.
Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Rohann
Quote: Quick facts about the Carebear Frontier and how we came to the conclusion this war is pure grief.
You are not being griefed. You are a valid merc target. Get over it.
Get over yourself... TBB is in every right to claim they're being griefed (as far as I know they're the ones being shot by MC not you, so tbh you should STFU and read that book Lunas referred you to in the other thread)
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the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
Also the gal |
One Purpose
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous Why are you whining to the community about this? Go and defend your system. You have the numbers, if you have a 100 man BS fleet in system at all times MC CANNOT take any of your POS's, as a 100man fleet + POS guns will rip apart any hostile force that MC could possibly field against them. Without taking your POS's you'll keep the system. If you sit and cry wah without doing anything to defend your home, you deserve to lose it IMHO.
agreed. Why does Big Blue not rise to the challange? How does anyone really know what the MC's goals are? OMG the boogeyman is coming to get us! Give me a break and stop posting this stuff on the forums and lets bring it in game. Carebear frontier = drama 4TL!
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dao 2
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Rohann
Quote: Quick facts about the Carebear Frontier and how we came to the conclusion this war is pure grief.
You are not being griefed. You are a valid merc target. Get over it.
Get over yourself... TBB is in every right to claim they're being griefed (as far as I know they're the ones being shot by MC not you, so tbh you should STFU and read that book Lunas referred you to in the other thread)
edit: wow it deleted my post o_0
alright heres the gist, its 0.0, stop crying its not griefing ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
Also the gal |
Arrrrru tookmastuff
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:44:00 -
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I don't think its the first time MC have been accused of being "loser griefers".
I think most people will, see this as a valid contract, against a valid target.
It also seems you had this post planned from the outset, and you contingancy plan is to rally the eve blob in BWF against the evil force of the MC, I don't think this will wash with the community.
Those in the know, are aware NAGA is profit driven, and uses valid industrial tactica against it's competitors and suppliers, in order to drive profit.
I would say this post is TBB - 1 MC - 2
With the second MC goal, an own one knocked in by you!
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:47:00 -
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People are not going to come save carebear land for you. If you want to save yourselves then you better undock 20 carriers and have at the MC.
If you want pvp pilots to come help you, then you need to offer them something. Free ships to fight, t2 mods at build cost, etc... People dont feel much sympathy for a filthy rich industrial alliance.
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Alaesa
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:51:00 -
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lol,
I read this as, OMG we are going to get our POS's blown to bits and we dont want to undock and protect them.
Quick to the forums, start the propaganda. see if we can get others to do our work for us.
It seems the community views you as a legit target BB.
Also what are the 70 or so POS's for if not for building stuff?
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:52:00 -
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/emote whispers "this is the part where you offer free HACs and other T2 ships to any alliance that helps you.."
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God is on the side with the best arti |
maGz
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dao 2
Originally by: Dao 2
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Rohann
Quote: Quick facts about the Carebear Frontier and how we came to the conclusion this war is pure grief.
You are not being griefed. You are a valid merc target. Get over it.
Get over yourself... TBB is in every right to claim they're being griefed (as far as I know they're the ones being shot by MC not you, so tbh you should STFU and read that book Lunas referred you to in the other thread)
edit: wow it deleted my post o_0
alright heres the gist, its 0.0, stop crying its not griefing
I didn't really cry about it being griefing or not. I just had a fit about Rohann, who obviously seem to think that his word is law today...
In regards to the actual statement: I doubt many will come to help re. Raids post. But good luck TBB, kick 'em out and give me a few free Cerbs mkay?! ______________________
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Rohann
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Rohann
Quote: Quick facts about the Carebear Frontier and how we came to the conclusion this war is pure grief.
You are not being griefed. You are a valid merc target. Get over it.
Get over yourself... TBB is in every right to claim they're being griefed (as far as I know they're the ones being shot by MC not you, so tbh you should STFU and read that book Lunas referred you to in the other thread)
And exactly why should I STFU? These carebears whining about being griefed when griefing is totally different than being a victim of a wardec. You obviously dont understand the concept of griefing so I tell you what, why dont you find something else to whime about other than a BoB member posting in a thread.
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:56:00 -
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Didnt you know the reason why this contract was chosen? Because MC needs or wants (pick one) more publicity. The many threads started by Seleene and then a war dec on a popular alliance when given a choice not to? All attentionish.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rohann
Quote: Quick facts about the Carebear Frontier and how we came to the conclusion this war is pure grief.
You are not being griefed. You are a valid merc target. Get over it.
My thoughts exactly...
Everybody knows the MC doesnt turn down contracts just because they might have been friendly with the target at one time or another or because their targets might be 'the goods guys'.
MC kills people they get paid to kill, someone paid them to kill you so either defending your space or pack up and go to empire... -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |
Zandramus
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Zandramus on 08/06/2006 14:15:07 why are none of my post posting the first time.....
Elroy WE DO NOT NEED HELP FROM OUTSIDE SOURCES
we just need to get our ass's outta the flipping pos's and fight
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Drasked
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:15:00 -
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Just pay MC more then their current contractor is doing, problem solved :)
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TheTaintedOne
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Drasked Just pay MC more then their current contractor is doing, problem solved :)
I doubt it, i think MC is honour bound to complete a contract once they have accepted it.
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End Yourself
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Elroy Cruise whine
naverin, that you?!?
are wealth and common sense imperatively inversely proportional in this game?
--- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:23:00 -
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It's not griefing, you're as valid a target as anyone else in the community is and all this holier than thou we're the good guys look at all the good we do for the community BS is just that BS.
You're a significant player in the T2 market aren't you? There are a LOT of other players in that market, supposing that NAGA is the only one is ridiculous, and therefore there are a lot of people who might have a justifiable economic motivation for severely disrupting your business.
There are plenty of other reasons why someone might contract MC against you but unless the client ever comes forward we're never going to know. Such is the nature of mercenaries and such is the nature of Eve.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Twisted One
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:27:00 -
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You are a valid target and I donĘt see how this can be viewed as a grief war.
Whilst I have a deal of respect for the MC and their lethal war machine they also rely on Propaganda to spread the belief they are stronger than they actually are. Folks fear them, but honestly they fear them far, far too much. Their reputation is their strongest asset, and you could say some of that has been gained through clever words on the forums.
Put up a solid resistance, field a decent BS and capital ship fleet, have belief and MC will not be able to grief you, they do not have the numbers.
T1.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:27:00 -
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I'm sure even you can field the 20 Battleships that are needed to gank all of MCs Dreads the moment they touch your POSs. It's really not that complicated.
If not, do you really think you deserve claiming a 0.0 system? Let alone build an Outpost there?
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Nira Li on 08/06/2006 14:32:29 Once you leave a noob corp you are a valid war target
You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
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