The tutorials do a fair job of explaining that you're not safe, and the advanced military career agent goes into stuff like ship loss and various aspects of PVP play. You already can't read any overview about Eve without mention of suicide ganking or "griefing". Just how much hand holding do you want here Gevlon? I have zero sympathy for people mewling over losing stuff. Live and learn.

Or you could channel some of your goon rage into educating the masses about these easily preventable situations in highsec. Unfortunately, we both know it wouldn't make a lick of difference, and neither would plastering it on the gate billboards of every system or blasting it all over the TV in the CQ. There is no logi in this game for lazy ignorance.

No. But this blog post by Feyd rings sharply of truth. Clear unavoidable terms before they take a single step would go a long way towards informing new players of the true nature of this game. And it might even harden their resolve right from the beginning.

T1 industrials are unavailable for trial users, would not work.

The tutorials do a fair job of explaining that you're not safe, and the advanced military career agent goes into stuff like ship loss and various aspects of PVP play. You already can't read any overview about Eve without mention of suicide ganking or "griefing".

So the tutorials could only be completed after he subscribed. That would be terrible.


No, the tutorials give you a free, unfit frig to lose on purpose. It's a bit different from losing a ship you didn't mean to lose. Also, most players don't read forums or participate in the community (hint: CSM election numbers), so the millions post won't help them at all. Also, we are talking about new players. Do you seriously expect them to read EVE sites before getting into the game?

Do you seriously expect them to read EVE sites before getting into the game?

CCP and us need these kids. They buy PLEX and bring us content.

Besides, there's no amount of education that prevents this from happening.

There's no reason to make these people not waste tons of money on PLEX. If they were reasonable,
they wouldn't have thrown it away invested it in the first place. They would have informed themselves.

As they obviously aren't and haven't, no amount of education will change anything.


Gevlon Goblin on his clueless quest.

Actually, I do. I know I read up on a game, and ask people about it before I spend money on it. That's just common sense... which I realize is in short supply with some people.

Actually, I do. I know I read up on a game, and ask people about it before I spend money on it. That's just common sense... which I realize is in short supply with some people.

Funny how the guy scoffed at the idea of being an informed consumer lol. Like the idea of being knowledgeable and responsible was so foreign as to be down right alien.

I'd heard of EVE but didn't try it to 2007 after talking to friends who played and reading everything I could Google about it. That's how I new the game was for me.

The tutorials do a fair job of explaining that you're not safe, and the advanced military career agent goes into stuff like ship loss and various aspects of PVP play. You already can't read any overview about Eve without mention of suicide ganking or "griefing". Just how much hand holding do you want here Gevlon? I have zero sympathy for people mewling over losing stuff. Live and learn.

Or you could channel some of your goon rage into educating the masses about these easily preventable situations in highsec. Unfortunately, we both know it wouldn't make a lick of difference, and neither would plastering it on the gate billboards of every system or blasting it all over the TV in the CQ. There is no logi in this game for lazy ignorance.

If the real nature of Eve was relayed to John Q. Neverplayedorheardofitbefore, There would never be any new players, ever.

If I had not had it explained to me in no uncertain terms by a friend on TS before I ever played, and blindly went about what I thought I was supposed to do based on the tutorials, (mine, explore, mission) , I would have lasted a month max beyond the trial.

And never came back. Since I had this knowledge relayed to me ahead of time, and vast amounts of info about how to survive and prosper, now I have 4 active accounts.


The Op's idea for a complex mission/tutorial is a good idea, thumbs up there.

But if there was truth in advertising, Eve's brochure would read
"The game where everyone, and everything, is trying to kill you, scam you, steal your stuff, loot your wreck, and then sell you new ships so they can blow you up again. And all of this is not only condoned by the game developer, but actively encouraged. So Harden The F*** Up"




Possibly, "there's your problem!"
If there is a mechanic in EvE that would actively discourage new players or cause them to quit when they discover it, does it not make more sense to clearly identify what that problem is, find a balanced solution and implement it, rather than making a mission to train people about the problem?

Of course there are those who do not believe that new players for EvE are required, unless they are the "right stuff" but that is another problem altogether.

There are a lot of things that could be introduced in tutorials. Besides this the new player training sessions need to be converted to tutorials.
+1 anyways

T1 industrials are unavailable for trial users, would not work.

The people who get ganked with overstuffed haulers are the same people that skip the tutorials anyway.

The tutorials do a fair job of explaining that you're not safe, and the advanced military career agent goes into stuff like ship loss and various aspects of PVP play. You already can't read any overview about Eve without mention of suicide ganking or "griefing". Just how much hand holding do you want here Gevlon? I have zero sympathy for people mewling over losing stuff. Live and learn.

Or you could channel some of your goon rage into educating the masses about these easily preventable situations in highsec. Unfortunately, we both know it wouldn't make a lick of difference, and neither would plastering it on the gate billboards of every system or blasting it all over the TV in the CQ. There is no logi in this game for lazy ignorance.

lol, I just had a case of reading failure 101 and thought you wanted to prepare newbies to be suicide gankers. xD

The people who get ganked with overstuffed haulers are the same people that skip the tutorials anyway.

Actually it's not a bad idea. A piracy career mission arc could teach people who to canflip, steal from missions and yes, suicide gank. This would not only open these professions but also warn them of their existence.

Piracy career agents might be interesting... I think thukker is the only high sec npc pirate corp... Could be wrong though