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Bronson Hughes
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Posted - 2014.06.04 16:34:00 -
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The new Gila is only nerfed if you try to fit and fly it like the old Gila.
The new Gila is like a missile boat with a pair of tiny assault frigates supporting it.
If you want to fly a ship like the old Gila, I hear Ishtars are still available and selling well.... |
Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel
254
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Posted - 2014.06.04 20:10:00 -
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I am accepting contracts for Gilas at a mere 15% below market price subject to location at my discretion. If you don't want your Gilas, I will take them.
EDIT: I will not pay for your rigs either, rip them off or sell them to me free. |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
157
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Posted - 2014.06.04 21:16:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:They ****** it.
It should have 25 bandwidth so it's not nerfed with the light drones.
I hope the new pirate ships are good because they ruined all my years of Gurista training.
Back to the Domnix we go. Rattlesnake losing 1/3 of it's max damage with meds an lights for one more missile launcher with bonus was not worth it at all. (( Losing an auxilary slot for a drone nerf on top of it. ))
Best drone ships in game can't field smaller drones for **** anymore. No longer useful as neut/sniping ships any more either.
Good patch to take up industry if you were a Gurrista pilot I guess.
Ishkur. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Jamwara+DelCalicoe+Ashley |
Baden Luskan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.04 21:21:00 -
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*facepalm*
How do so many of you miss the role bonus it has of 500% increase to HP and damage of medium drones?
Put 2 augmented drones in its drone bay, and you suddenly have two 9000 hitpoint drones running around doing the damage of FIVE drones a piece (if you have all lvl 5 skills).
There is a reason the price of these ships is so extremely bloated right now, and its not because it got nerfed. |
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University Minmatar Republic
293
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Posted - 2014.06.04 21:24:00 -
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Baden Luskan wrote:*facepalm*
Put 2 augmented drones in its drone bay, and you suddenly have two 9000 hitpoint drones running around doing the damage of FIVE drones a piece (if you have all lvl 5 skills).
Six. Six drones apiece.
Yes. It's amazeballs. |
Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
62764
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Posted - 2014.06.04 21:55:00 -
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New Gila doesn't need light drones. With you the drone changes you can fit a drone speed module (zomg they are useful now) and your Valks will shred any frigs going slower than 4875m/s.
Alternatively you can spew light missiles at fast frigs. The new gila got bonus to all missiles so even the plain frig LML will do decent damage against the few frigs that are actually faster enough to outrun your 4875m/s valks. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Gerald Mardiska
Apex Industries Lynchpin Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:21:00 -
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Deerin wrote:Why are you guys trying to explain things to someone that doesn't want to adapt?
Gila is not nerfed. It is a DIFFERENT beast now. Adapt to it and see if it loves you back.
Such is the way of eve.
so true |
Gerald Mardiska
Apex Industries Lynchpin Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
8
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:24:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote: I hope the new pirate ships are good because they ruined all my years of Gurista training.
Back to the Domnix we go.
GO GALLENTE >:D |
Junkkmann
Vector Galactic The Big Dirty
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Posted - 2014.06.06 14:51:00 -
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take it all back, its a beast. didnt try augmented drones but did buy some faciton drones and they can are mini-beasts.
i dont have perfect drone skills but there were regularly hitting for 500 wrecking shots.
ate a blood arch templar in like 3 seconds. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1941
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Posted - 2014.06.06 15:33:00 -
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Valleria Darkmoon wrote:I am accepting contracts for Gilas at a mere 15% below market price subject to location at my discretion. If you don't want your Gilas, I will take them.
EDIT: I will not pay for your rigs either, rip them off or sell them to me free.
You can have my Gilas for 20% over market. Just drop me a line. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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Patrick Berlin
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:20:00 -
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Junkkmann wrote:take it all back, its a beast. didnt try augmented drones but did buy some faciton drones and they can are mini-beasts.
i dont have perfect drone skills but there were regularly hitting for 500 wrecking shots.
ate a blood arch templar in like 3 seconds.
Try with some Augmented Vespas (I'm in Gurista space) and they 3 shot cruisers, one shot most smaller stuff. pewpew |
Penn Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.06 18:59:00 -
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Anyone got a good fit for the Gila? Are you using any of the new faction modules? |
Deviant X
Deviant Inc
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Posted - 2014.06.06 20:31:00 -
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Anybody use the new Gila to run level 3/4 missions? |
Grail
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.06 21:02:00 -
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I'm also looking for a good Gila fitting - I've been out of game for quite some time, and just came back. I'm looking at getting my feet wet (again...) with III and IV missions to get warmed up, before making a decision as to what I REALLY want to do.
If anyone could be generous/helpful enough to post some fitting ideas, I would be grateful. Alternatively, if someone could point me in the direction of a good website for such things, that would be great too. I don't have a tremendous amount of free time, so a little spoon feeding helps an old timer like myself.
Thanks in advance,
-G |
Burtzum
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:06:00 -
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I dunno, I use my Gila for exploration. For a newbie running missions, I might suggest something like this:
LOWS Shield Power Relay II Drone Damage Amplifier x3
MEDIUMS Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II x3 EM Ward Field II (or whatever damage type the rats are shooting at you.) 10MN Afterburner
HIGHS Rapid Light Missile Launcher II x4 Small Tractor Beam
RIGS Medium Core Defense Field Purger II x3
DRONES Valkyrie II x2 Infiltrator II x2 Vespa II x2 Hammerhead II x2
Use the missile launchers to take out frigates while directing the drones to attack larger targets. Orbit a beacon, can, or wreck with the afterburner turned on to mitigate incoming damage.
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JrLUK
MMHomi
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:31:00 -
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My current fit is:
4 x HAM II's
2 x Stasis Web II 1 x Warp Scram II 1 x LSE II 1 x Large Supplemental Barrier Emmiter 1 x 10mn MWD II
3 x DDA II 1x DCU II
1 empty slow but youd only use it for a drone range mod anyway and with HAM's you dont need it. Does nearly 800 DPS and with Caldari navy or Fed navy drones its a beast.
J JrLUK: The oldest Noob in EvE. GTC's for Game time or Plex for cheap here: JrLUK's G2A |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Illusion of Solitude
808
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Posted - 2014.06.07 22:46:00 -
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The Gila is definately living up to promise, I am using faction drones, and they rip through everything. They seem to hold up very well to damage and so long as they don't get webbed, you are fine, even then they seem to kill the webber ok and get out on their own.
This is a good ship and congratulations to CCP Rise and Fozzie.
The rattlesnake though is a different story, I lost 3 geckos the first day, heavies are not good enough to launch while there is anything to target them. On battleships when everything else is cleared, they are fine. 275% to damage is no replacement for a flight of 5. Losing a DLA to use the new launcher, does not make for a pleasant experience, I seemed to be waiting way way more for things to get into range. MJD around to try to get range is not advisable as one ends up waiting again for cap to recharge, or MjD timer, before getting back to gate, plus waiting again to jump through to ensure you can actually use it again. Not fitting the launcher to fit the second DLA makes the ship even worse, as it then has all the downsides with none of the benefits.
One REALLY notices the loss of light drone bonuses, whilst other ships also have unbonused lights, they have a drone bay that carries spares, if one does this then one loses a set of sentries or heavies that really need spares.
In short, the buff to damage is good, but there is a lot of waiting around in missions that was not there before, there is a lot of micromanagement, due to the changes, and it is just "less Fun" ( I really mean a pain in the arse, but trying to be polite)
If the rattlesnake had only lost 3/4 of it's range bonus, kept it's bonus on smaller drones, and kept it's drone bay ( in other words left drones alone). And gained the same missile DPS increase without adding launchers, then it would have been a good pirate ship.
I am in favour of Hero drones, unfortunately the concept stops at mediums. Heavy drones replacing all the smaller drones, just doesn't work........
As it is I have relegated mine to the back of the Hangar. for me it is a worse ship than before in spite of what appears on paper to be an improvement. Hopefully the next rebalance whenever that is will at least make it as good as before, and god, it did need some love, but clearly that is never going to happen.
But look at the good side, gankers and gatecamps have a pirate ship now. It will work quite well when boosted up the wazoo with logi and something to deal with the frigates, and web and paint things to allow the rattler to apply damage, good job *sarcasm*
It is hard to believe that the same people are responsible for designing both ships. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.06.08 19:55:00 -
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I'd say the Gila is a little too strong. 500 percent increase in damage and tank for all medium drones? Sure you can only put out 2 drones but that's like flying 10 unbonused medium drones.
http://haha.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23889855
I don't claim to be some frig legend all star but I haven't lost too many drams. I didn't expect to take this fight (gila's wreck frigs) but I completely but I melted in under 10 seconds. The fact that Gila's went from 170ish mil in price to over 360 is a bit telling.
I'd just perhaps lower the drone bonus a touch, maybe just 300 percent and i'm starting to wonder if medium drones being able to track a dram going 1600 (unheated) with AB. Consider Khanid/Kor-Azor for rent-á/Hades Effect Recruitment |
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
Psychopathic Posse
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Posted - 2014.06.09 02:13:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:I'd say the Gila is a little too strong. 500 percent increase in damage and tank for all medium drones? Sure you can only put out 2 drones but that's like flying 10 unbonused medium drones. http://haha.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23889855I don't claim to be some frig legend all star but I haven't lost too many drams. I didn't expect to take this fight (gila's wreck frigs) but I completely but I melted in under 10 seconds. The fact that Gila's went from 170ish mil in price to over 360 is a bit telling. I'd just perhaps lower the drone bonus a touch, maybe just 300 percent and i'm starting to wonder if medium drones being able to track a dram going 1600 (unheated) with AB. 12 Medium drones, Not 10. And yeah, CCP went alittle overboard with the Gila |
Obearoth HuanTao
Senex Legio
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Posted - 2014.06.09 02:33:00 -
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I could try to explain it, but tbh, most all the answers are outside that box you sit in. Take some trips to low sec, or even null in some cheap skank, and you rejoyce when the beauty of a ship that is Gila rips you a new one, and when your dead corps lies there in space, perhaps you relearn WTF kinda ship it has become! Fly Dangerous
And I've got one great piece of news for you, that gila of your is now worth far more then you paid for it, SELL IT FAST
Junkkmann wrote:if I am reading the patch notes correctly, Gila's are losing most of their bandwidth and 200 of their drone capacity. Too close to a Ishtar so it had to be changed or what? will CCP be issuing refunds for it since its value will probably plummet now?
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Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
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Posted - 2014.06.09 02:53:00 -
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Gila BPCs have gone from 110mil to around 230mil, the people who invested in them are having a field day. |
Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
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Posted - 2014.06.09 03:28:00 -
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Hey, if anyone doesn't want their GILA... feel free to contract it to me for 140mil... what it was worth about six weeks ago.
Contract it in Jita and I'll pay 160mil.
Sell it or fly it. Your call.
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe to staff how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Gefen Orion
Orion Star Ltd.
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Posted - 2014.06.09 10:05:00 -
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The Gila has been changed. You lost the ability to field 5 sentries, 5 heavies, 5 mediums, 5 lights, 5 utility drones (ecm)...all of these in exchange for 500% bonus damage + health on medium drones and a 50% bonus damage to kin and therm missiles.
The GIla and the Ishtar's playstyle were too similar in many areas...That was before the buff to the ishtar. After the buff to the ishtar (which made it really effective as a close up brawler with ogres II flying around at 2.68km/sec doing 830 eft dps on 0.813 tracking) and the flexibility to field sentries, mediums and lights as situation dictates, the Ishtar was in a very good position.
Not so with the Gila, with no bonuses to drone utility (tracking or mwd speed), the GIla was a poor imitation of the ishtar. I think that was the reason for the changes. The ishtar and the gila needed to be different in terms of playstyle and effectiveness.
Well, the Gila now is a different beast to quote one of the posters on this thread. A true drone and missile hybrid. You can't rely solely on your drones anymore. You need to use the missile bonus.
But still, when looking at the ishtar buffs and looking at the gila buffs right now, i can't helped feeling that the gila got the short end of the stick....
gila's 2 hammerhead IIs with 4 dda = 664 dps, 3.28km/sec (one drone nav II), .696 tracking speed gila's 4 HAMs with furies = 243 dps ishtar 5 ogre IIs with 4 dda = 830 dps, 2.68km/sec (one drone nav II), 0.813 tracking speed (one omni tracking enhancer) ishtar 4 200mm rail with jav = 177 dps
Very small differences in terms of paper performance but completely different playstyle now. RIP sniping Gila. Long live the GIla brawler!
Oh, the new GIla is a monster in pvp, not so much at pve... |
Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp
296
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Posted - 2014.06.09 11:49:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:I'd say the Gila is a little too strong. 500 percent increase in damage and tank for all medium drones? Sure you can only put out 2 drones but that's like flying 10 unbonused medium drones. http://haha.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23889855I don't claim to be some frig legend all star but I haven't lost too many drams. I didn't expect to take this fight (gila's wreck frigs) but I completely but I melted in under 10 seconds. The fact that Gila's went from 170ish mil in price to over 360 is a bit telling. I'd just perhaps lower the drone bonus a touch, maybe just 300 percent and i'm starting to wonder if medium drones being able to track a dram going 1600 (unheated) with AB.
Well, the ratting fit i'm currently working on will not only wreck frigates like your little group in - as you said - 10 seconds, no, the Valkyries will even catch frigs going heated MWD. *cough 7km/s*.
Yeah, the Gila is terrifying. I like it :) |
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