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X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2258	Posted - 2014.06.05 03:01:00 - [1] - Quote 1. I'm in the minority. I like the current system just the way it is. Having hard missions makes my militia stronger and having easy missions makes the other factions weaker. Plus, ship quality can go down by quite a bit if missions are done in groups of 2 or more (MMO anybody?). 2. Required ship size to complete a mission solo. Infinite missile range, constant dps, ewar in particular. 3. Harder is better.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2258	Posted - 2014.06.05 08:23:00 - [2] - Quote IbanezLaney wrote: (But the Gals make more isk as their LP is more valuable - Maybe you could ask CCP to nerf Gal LP payouts to balance that? ) . Um, yeah, sorry we didn't push to the highest tier possible so all the leeches, err "farmers", could ruin our isk/lp payout. Our bad.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2272	Posted - 2014.06.09 06:17:00 - [3] - Quote Miriya Zakalwe wrote: If the intention of the missions is to draw players in small soloish ships all over the warzone, which is as mentioned all that is important to me and is I believe the intent, then you're clearly wrong. There ya go. That's not the intention of the missions. If it were, then Gallente missions would be soloable by small ships.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2272	Posted - 2014.06.09 15:17:00 - [4] - Quote Miriya Zakalwe wrote: Nah, that just means the Gallente mission balance is broken, which we all agree on. All three others can solo them in small ships. Nice try though. Wouldn't they have fixed that in the 6+ years FW has been in existence then? I think you are reading too much into the game designers' intentions. They just made the same missions for every race, counted up the dps of the rats to make it hard for a small ship to tank all that dps directly, and then filled the missions with race specific rats. The unintended consequence of their implementation is that ships can hit at range and can therefore easily tank the short range dps of the Amarr/Gallente rats, and td's (Amarr Rats) don't affect missile boats whereas ecm affects everybody.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2272	Posted - 2014.06.09 16:00:00 - [5] - Quote Veskrashen wrote: To me, FW missions are designed to provide a purer PvE experience for FW pilots, in contrast to FW plexes - which IMO are designed more to incentivize PvP. This is incorrect as well. Missions were supposed to be another potential pvp type of experience where the player had to make multiple (at risk) jumps through low sec, warp to a beacon that is there for all to see, and then complete the objective. The initial issue with missions was that if you failed one your standings would go all to heck - so nobody did them. Then they over buffed missions with the "pick your mission system" update where you could turn down as many missions as possible. Guys would ask for missions until they all ended up in Nennamaila (for example) where the Gallente Militia lived. Then they nerfed that feature a bit to where we are today. Unintended Consequences: Cloaky ships: "afk cloak" makes it really easy for the mission runner to complete missions against all but the most determined opponent. Picking up Several Missions at One Time: The original intent was that the player would pick up a mission, go run it, and then return to mission base to turn the mission in. By picking up several missions at once, it makes it really easy for the mission runner to simply move on to the next one if the current mission is camped. Because of those two unintended consequences, Missions feel like "pure PvE" instead of the PvP/PvE mix they we
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2273	Posted - 2014.06.09 16:49:00 - [6] - Quote Cearain wrote: XG I don't recall anything where a dev specifially said missions were supposed to be more pvp than they are now. I don't recall a dev saying you should, or should not, be able to do them in a stealth bomber. Making missions "pvp" where you have to tank lots of rats just means the only side that can run them is the side that can blob off a system. This is all my guess at what their intentions were - which is a much more informed guess than others in this thread. So take it for what it's worth. The assumptions are that if they didn't want to make missions PvPish, 1) they wouldn't force the player to make 10+ (on average) jumps to get to the missions and 2) they wouldn't show the mission on a beacon in local for all to see. wrt Stealth Bombers - Read into it what you want. I just told you how (I think) they designed the missions. The L4 missions were NOT designed with stealth bombers or other frigs in mind. They also designed the missions as "head shots" compared to regular L4 missions. More time travelling, less time in mission.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2274	Posted - 2014.06.10 00:32:00 - [7] - Quote Cearain wrote: I have no reason to think missions are not currently working as intended. . It's true then. CCP hates Gallente! Thanks for the verification.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2283	Posted - 2014.06.17 14:11:00 - [8] - Quote Each faction should reward the players who do nothing to achieve their goals. Buff missions.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2414	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:04:00 - [9] - Quote Veskrashen wrote: Cearain wrote: any news on this issue? As folks have previously said, no L4 mission balance will be done until they get their new content tools online. Too much effort / work / reauthoring to make it worthwhile otherwise. Extremely difficult L4 missions give Gallente too much of an advantage. (tm)
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2415	Posted - 2014.07.26 13:58:00 - [10] - Quote Colt Blackhawk wrote: You realise how much ccp and fozzie love the gals? Just pointing on op comet, op ishtar, op algos etc. Better pray ccp doesn't fix it for the gals because if they do gal fw lv4 will be doable in noobship with civilian gatling rail. Our greatest accomplishment was getting our plants (chatgris, Fozzie, and Yttr) jobs at CCP. It was a bonus that Fozzie landed a job as ship balancer. But, as they say, fortune favors the bold. Maybe you guys will figure it out some day and get your own guys into CCP.

X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2423	Posted - 2014.07.29 14:16:00 - [11] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: I don't see many FW people mentioning that these missions are still far too profitable and too easy, risk-free bombers or not. It's a small price for CCP to pay for generating 90% of Eve's content this summer.

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