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Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:18:00 -
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Companies have control over their payroll.
When "crunch time" comes, usually because a product fails to meet market expectations or a product just doesn't make it out of development, a company exercises that control.
We've seen the layoffs. The rest is still speculation.
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe to staff how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5489
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Posted - 2014.06.19 08:34:00 -
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Pj Harvey wrote: Nobody cares
Correctamundo! "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Khadanne
Scorpions Legions Inc.
2
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Posted - 2014.06.19 13:16:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:Get rid of some of the executives.
What value for money and for CCP can they provide given their obvious failures?
THIS |
Thomas Abernathy
High Flyers The Kadeshi
69
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:14:00 -
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You kids don't get the new business model do you?
You milk the cow until it falls over dead, then you take a couple years off with the money you made.
Rinse and repeat.
"Fighting CCD since 2139" |
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2014.06.19 20:08:00 -
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Thomas Abernathy wrote:You kids don't get the new business model do you? You milk the cow until it falls over dead, then you take a couple years off with the money you made. Rinse and repeat. Oh, almost forgot... Another successful expansion? http://eve-offline.net
I think that the stakes are on Crius and the industry rework. But that's not an attempt to increase PCU, actually, jsut a necessary step down the road to the next Jesus feature, coming in 2015 or whenever it's done. Q: So many well known dev's left lately, should we be worried? A: (Jester): Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.
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Maz Ngomo
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:34:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote: I think that the stakes are on Crius and the industry rework. But that's not an attempt to increase PCU, actually, jsut a necessary step down the road to the next Jesus feature, coming in 2015 or whenever it's done.
There will be no more 'Jesus features'. CCP have stated as such and CCP never lie.
Of course, there will bo no more 'Interesting features' either, and the 'Innovative features' have had to be delayed until 2025 due to code spaghetti and API issues or something. |
Serene Repose
1391
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Posted - 2014.06.19 22:08:00 -
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I'm happy to "discuss" this. I'd preface my remarks with the observation that, given CCP's descent into the abyss of corporate mentality, even sending a Dev here to post this as a sort of "mea culpa" reeks of deception.
I've been saying for four years now this corporation has lost its ever-lovin' mind. The Aura (reference intended) with which we began has slowly spoiled over time. You can track the disappearance of the original spirit, the generation of the present one and Hilmar's ego expansion on the same graph. Many is the time I likened the management of CCP to little boys who never quite left daddy's garage. I wasn't joking. I thought it was the most appropriate analogy, and still do.
I lifted some quotes from articles in major news organs to amplify and vicariously endorse my assessment:
"Without the time or resources to properly do so, many things were left half-delivered, to be iterated upon later -- which never happened. CCP has an extensive track record of promising to return to features and never doing so."
This reminds me so much of what I used to say to my son when he was a boy growing up. You dads out there know what I mean. You young men should recall having heard such things said to you as you matured. Thing is, this is being said about full-grown men engaged in what we're supposed to consider to be "serious business."
"Worst of all, according to Nick Blood (a former CCP dev and GM), the entire point of the expansion (walking around in space stations) was let down by the Reykjavic office's art team. It took them nearly the entire development time to create one faction's captain's quarters. Yet again, WoD team was asked to crossover in order to bail out an EVE expansion."
Rob Peter to pay Paul long enough and they both go broke. Anyone with credible management experience KNOWS what's behind this sort of thing. Invariably it's symptomatic of biting off more than one can chew, or, the eyes too big for the stomach. Again, admonitions that belong in child-rearing, not serious corporate management.
However, is there evidence other than this mistake made in trying to start a new enterprise? Yeah, there was that expansion - which was in itself a disaster within an already up and running enterprise. There was a PLAYER RIOT? After denying there was a problem, and seeing subscriptions plummet, CCP offers an apology:
"Eventually CEO Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson issued an apology to players...[he] didn't actually write.... He was either so out of touch, so arrogant (or perhaps both) that he couldn't find the words to say himself."
How like them. How their reputation fell from soaring heights through the drainpipe in the basement floor. And, of course, the "sister" project to EVE, DUST 514, allegedly an accompaniment to EVE but actually a project being piggy-backed off EVE:
"When Dust 514 was finally released...reviews generally praised the concept, but savaged the well below par execution. It flopped."
How did a group of guys with such an auspicious and audacious start manage to hurl themselves into the banal and pedestrian mentality of the corporation? Let this be a lesson to you young'uns out there. You can't get good fruit from a bad tree. Once the tempted take a bite of the poisoned apple, the result is always the same. It's just sad, and a shame to see it happen to the ones we once loved so dearly.
Finally. This is the second layoff in four years. The irony of sending to the unemployment line fifty loyal troops the same DAY the state of Georgia enacts a tax break for game developers to foster growth in the industry - GEORGIA of all places???? I just can't believe my eyes. I need a stiff drink, and quit drinking likker fifteen years ago. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
140
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Posted - 2014.06.19 23:02:00 -
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Well to be fair CCP Goliath is a community manager so it's his job to tell people about this kind of situation, I don't see any issue with that. He may also have been affected by this personally.
With regard to Hilmar's 'ego' I can honestly say that, having watched a lot of fanfests over the years, that's one thing I truly miss about him. Years ago he had this almost boyish enthusiasm about him regarding EVE and what he wanted it to go, he had an idea and an amazing ability to get people excited about that vision. Almost a cult-like personality. I always found myself grinning when he came on stage. He could jokingly suggest an invasion of the US with nothing but pitchforks and broken beer bottles and I'd have jumped up and screamed, 'F-YEAH!'
Nowadays he seems like a shell of his former self, almost like the bullied boy in school who doesn't dare to speak his mind anymore because he's afraid of what the other kids might do to him. Unfortunately he's given the power to the overly vocal and antagonistic EVE players and in the process lost his 'vision'. We need to remember that it was CCP's (and Hilmar's) ideas and sheer bloody-mindedness that built EVE from nothing and kept it unique from all the other MMOs that came out and died in the meantime.
Now I'm not saying the business side of the company has been sensible, or even competent in some cases because there have been some genuinely 'WTF?' moments in recent years. But CCP, as with all companies, need to make mistakes and learn if they are to improve. The things I've been frustrated by have been the 'broken promises', and I just wish CCP as a whole would keep certain ideas under wraps until they are verified to be workable and will definitely be implemented rather than shown in press releases or at fanfest and then never seen again.
Besides all that, I can't really form a real opinion on the situation surrounding the layoffs because we don't have enough information. Was it poor management? Maybe. Was it a series of unfortunate and unaviodable events that culminated in the losses? Perhaps. Is this proof of falling subs that CCP can't afford to fund other projects outside of EVE? It's possible... maybe.
More info would be nice, but at the same time it's not really any of our business. |
Pine Marten
Viziam Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.06.19 23:15:00 -
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Tilly Delnero wrote:More info would be nice, but at the same time it's not really any of our business.
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45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
76
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Posted - 2014.06.20 02:19:00 -
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This laying people off saddens me.
I know CCP are trying to balance the books and get the company running smoothly but laying off good staff who been with the company since day one has sadden me
I would like to the CCP staff that are leaving.
Thanks for the great years of fun and been great of what you have been doing for EvE Online and the EvE Community.
Wishing you the best for your future.
From 45thtiger 0109
This is a sandbox game welcome to EvE
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
850
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Posted - 2014.06.20 02:46:00 -
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Maz Ngomo wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote: I think that the stakes are on Crius and the industry rework. But that's not an attempt to increase PCU, actually, jsut a necessary step down the road to the next Jesus feature, coming in 2015 or whenever it's done.
There will be no more 'Jesus features'. CCP have stated as such and CCP never lie. Of course, there will bo no more 'Interesting features' either, and the 'Innovative features' have had to be delayed until 2025 due to code spaghetti and API issues or something.
and Tidi ...
oh and ... grrr goons |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1005
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Posted - 2014.06.20 03:41:00 -
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Look at it this way, less viable IP makes CCP less of a buyout target. Imagine if EA bought CCPs assets... This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3158
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Posted - 2014.06.20 03:58:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Look at it this way, less viable IP makes CCP less of a buyout target. Imagine if EA bought CCPs assets...
WHEN CCP gets bought out, it will be really interesting to see the direction of Eve then. I should be careful. I am not entirely sure who precisely owns CCP, but as I understand, it is a consortium of private individuals / groups. Eventually, as CCP continues to mismanage their cash streams with some hugely expensive misadventures, the investors will say "enough", and have no choice but to fire the exec team, or sell the Eve IP, or both.
Who will buy the Eve IP, who knows? But it will indeed lead to some interesting times. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Jaxo Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.06.20 05:20:00 -
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PC Gamer Issue 255 Aug 2014 (current issue)
Has 10 pages on Eve/Valk/Legion.
Food for thought;
"The game generated $72 million for CCP last year"
"...average Eve player is between 25 and 35"
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
850
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Posted - 2014.06.20 05:35:00 -
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Jaxo Enaka wrote:
"...average Eve player is between 25 and 35"
Older than FPS communities but far younger than your typical combat flight sim community.
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Maz Ngomo
1
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Posted - 2014.06.20 06:03:00 -
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Jaxo Enaka wrote:PC Gamer Issue 255 Aug 2014 (current issue)
"...average Eve player is between 25 and 35"
I'm curious as to how they claim to know this since I for one have never revealed my age to CCP or PC Gamer. Judging by the increasing amount of immature behaviour of a lot of the players both in game and on the forums I would have figured it to be a lot lower. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1829
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Posted - 2014.06.20 06:10:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey Guys,
As some of you may have heard today, thereGÇÖs been reports of job cuts here at CCP in the gaming media. As part of our strategy to focus on the EVE Universe, today we conducted a restructuring that resulted in the layoff of 49 people in our publishing organization.
This has been a really tough decision for us to make, and though itGÇÖs hard to say goodbye to our friends and family, this action concludes the process we started several months ago to restructure CCP.
CCP has provided severance packages and job placement assistance for all those employees who are affected, and we wish them all the best for the future.
In terms of what this means for our games, development teams and plans for EVE Online, EVE: Valkyrie, DUST 514, and GÇ£Project LegionGÇ¥ are not impacted by the restructuring that has taken place today.
If you'd like to discuss what's happened today, feel free to do so in this thread.
Thanks,
- F
Totes joking.... but, last time you said "nobody's getting laid off", a bunch of people got laid off.
So, does this post mean that CCP actually hired a buttload of new employees? That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Prince Kobol
1961
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Posted - 2014.06.20 06:40:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Look at it this way, less viable IP makes CCP less of a buyout target. Imagine if EA bought CCPs assets... WHEN CCP gets bought out, it will be really interesting to see the direction of Eve then. I should be careful. I am not entirely sure who precisely owns CCP, but as I understand, it is a consortium of private individuals / groups. Eventually, as CCP continues to mismanage their cash streams with some hugely expensive misadventures, the investors will say "enough", and have no choice but to fire the exec team, or sell the Eve IP, or both. Who will buy the Eve IP, who knows? But it will indeed lead to some interesting times.
As far as I am aware you have 2 primary groups.
One is a american venture capitalist firm called General Catalyst
The other is Novator Partners who are a Venture Capital & Private Equity Firm based in London. Birgir Ragnarsson is a partner in this firm as well as a CCP Chairman.
As to who has what percentage or what kind of control or influence they have, this is something we can only ever speculate on. |
Pine Marten
Viziam Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:33:00 -
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Obligatory my uncle told me EA plans to buy EvE |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1128
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Posted - 2014.06.20 17:23:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Maz Ngomo wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote: I think that the stakes are on Crius and the industry rework. But that's not an attempt to increase PCU, actually, jsut a necessary step down the road to the next Jesus feature, coming in 2015 or whenever it's done.
There will be no more 'Jesus features'. CCP have stated as such and CCP never lie. Of course, there will bo no more 'Interesting features' either, and the 'Innovative features' have had to be delayed until 2025 due to code spaghetti and API issues or something. and Tidi ... oh and ... grrr goons
Yeah but to be fair, it was far worse before tidi. At that time you would take 20 minutes to load grid and often already be dead by the time it did during massive engagements.
Tidi is in no way a perfect solution though. |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5436
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Posted - 2014.06.20 17:30:00 -
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Pine Marten wrote:Obligatory my uncle told me EA plans to buy EvE
Your uncle is wrong.
CCP has to fail MUCH harder before it even enters on EA's radars. They only take clinical cases of failure. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
614
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Posted - 2014.06.20 18:12:00 -
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Maz Ngomo wrote:Jaxo Enaka wrote:PC Gamer Issue 255 Aug 2014 (current issue)
"...average Eve player is between 25 and 35"
I'm curious as to how they claim to know this since I for one have never revealed my age to CCP or PC Gamer. Judging by the increasing amount of immature behaviour of a lot of the players both in game and on the forums I would have figured it to be a lot lower.
You never completed one of the umpteen EVE survey's?
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
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Serene Repose
1400
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:27:00 -
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There was once this organization who is not permitted to be named aloud...who invited a discussion on something they obviously did wrong....that then deleted any input that was not flattering...then allowed the discussion to stray totally off the subject because they were indeed being flattered....then the bunny rabbit went back in its hole and the little girl woke up.
I love fairy tales! I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
664
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:34:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Look at it this way, less viable IP makes CCP less of a buyout target. Imagine if EA bought CCPs assets... WHEN CCP gets bought out, it will be really interesting to see the direction of Eve then. I should be careful. I am not entirely sure who precisely owns CCP, but as I understand, it is a consortium of private individuals / groups. Eventually, as CCP continues to mismanage their cash streams with some hugely expensive misadventures, the investors will say "enough", and have no choice but to fire the exec team, or sell the Eve IP, or both. Who will buy the Eve IP, who knows? But it will indeed lead to some interesting times.
Except i'm not sure how you can claim the cash stream was mismanaged. Last year ccp made 10m more then the year before. The "loss" was only a loss because they decided to shift focus away for other projects completely, and thus all the work done on WoD for over 8 years had to be written off, which bring son layoffs. And this last round would be the final piece of cutting projects that they no longer wish to work on. Right now talking about CCP mismanaging cash is a bit silly. If in sept when the 6 month report comes out and you see a big loss still then you can worry. Till then this really is not anything.
Here is my issue, you can not ignore the fact that ccp has sense around 07 made profit, every year, except last year. And the only reason they did not make any last year was both the cutting of WoD and the cost to get Dust fully up and running. Thouse two factors alone ate into ccp's profits. So going 'omg they had a huge loss they are dying' is a bit silly, when they had an INCREASE in money by 10 million over the year before. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
665
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:49:00 -
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Maz Ngomo wrote:Jaxo Enaka wrote:PC Gamer Issue 255 Aug 2014 (current issue)
"...average Eve player is between 25 and 35"
I'm curious as to how they claim to know this since I for one have never revealed my age to CCP or PC Gamer. Judging by the increasing amount of immature behaviour of a lot of the players both in game and on the forums I would have figured it to be a lot lower.
as you have to be 13 or older to play, one of the requirements when you make a new account is to put in your birthdate. Even if you lied, others won't. so they compile that info.
same way they know hoe manyh males and females play eve. There is a box asking your sex.
User id
e-mail
sex
age
They can then cross refence e-mail addresses to help determine true subscriber numbers vs accounts. I.e. if I have 10 accounts all liked to the same e-mail they can ignore the 9 accounts and say I am 1 subscriber. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
147
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:52:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Look at it this way, less viable IP makes CCP less of a buyout target. Imagine if EA bought CCPs assets... WHEN CCP gets bought out, it will be really interesting to see the direction of Eve then. I should be careful. I am not entirely sure who precisely owns CCP, but as I understand, it is a consortium of private individuals / groups. Eventually, as CCP continues to mismanage their cash streams with some hugely expensive misadventures, the investors will say "enough", and have no choice but to fire the exec team, or sell the Eve IP, or both. Who will buy the Eve IP, who knows? But it will indeed lead to some interesting times. Except i'm not sure how you can claim the cash stream was mismanaged. Last year ccp made 10m more then the year before. The "loss" was only a loss because they decided to shift focus away for other projects completely, and thus all the work done on WoD for over 8 years had to be written off, which bring son layoffs. And this last round would be the final piece of cutting projects that they no longer wish to work on. Right now talking about CCP mismanaging cash is a bit silly. If in sept when the 6 month report comes out and you see a big loss still then you can worry. Till then this really is not anything. Here is my issue, you can not ignore the fact that ccp has sense around 07 made profit, every year, except last year. And the only reason they did not make any last year was both the cutting of WoD and the cost to get Dust fully up and running. Thouse two factors alone ate into ccp's profits. So going 'omg they had a huge loss they are dying' is a bit silly, when they had an INCREASE in money by 10 million over the year before.
Well, in some corporate offices, spending 21 million dollars to develop a videogame 3 times in 7 years and end up releasing nothing and firing everyone who ever touched it would be deemed "mismanagment"... Q: So many well known dev's left lately, should we be worried? A: (Jester): Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
550
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Posted - 2014.06.20 23:35:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote: Well, in some corporate offices, spending 21 million dollars to develop a videogame 3 times in 7 years and end up releasing nothing and firing everyone who ever touched it would be deemed "mismanagment"...
In the Casino industry it only takes $3 million. |
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