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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:36:00 -
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Hey everyone. We've received a few questions about what is and isn't allowed in AT tournament prep and in the matches themselves.
This post is designed to help clarify the following part of the official rules:
Quote:The referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.
The key point here is of course that every team must be trying to win. Throwing a match to allow your friends to advance is not allowed and as always we will enforce this rule vigorously.
Two points that we would like to clarify are:
Practicing against other teams is allowed. Scrimming is an expected part of tournament prep and we know that not all teams have large enough alliances to be able to practice against themselves. Once the Duality Tournament Server is online this will become much easier, as you will be able to give out the password to your system to another team so they can come practice against you and then change it after your practice has concluded. In the meantime, we have received questions about practicing against other teams in wormholes, where resupply difficulties encourage people to share logistics responsibilities. For ATXII we will be allowing different teams to practice in wormholes sharing logistics and starbase access as long as teams are legitimately working towards their own victory and compete for themselves in each and every match.
Setting up "house rules" for actual matches in Alliance Tournament XII will be considered collusion and is not allowed. We know that most previous cases of teams agreeing to "house rules" before tournament matches have been harmless and have not represented attempts to break the spirit of the rules. However explicitly banning this kind of activity will make the enforcement of our general collusion rule much clearer and we will not be allowing this kind of activity for ATXII. For example, if two teams that are facing each other agree together to bring setups that contain certain ships and/or do not contain other ships this will be considered a violation of the ATXII rules. Thanks in advance for refraining from this activity in ATXII. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
13120
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:36:15 -
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Hey everyone. We've received a few questions about what is and isn't allowed in AT tournament prep and in the matches themselves.
This post is designed to help clarify the following part of the official rules:
Quote:The referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.
The key point here is of course that every team must be trying to win. Throwing a match to allow your friends to advance is not allowed and as always we will enforce this rule vigorously.
Two points that we would like to clarify are:
Practicing against other teams is allowed. Scrimming is an expected part of tournament prep and we know that not all teams have large enough alliances to be able to practice against themselves. We have received questions about practicing against other teams in wormholes, where resupply difficulties encourage people to share logistics responsibilities. We do allow different teams to practice in wormholes sharing logistics and starbase access as long as teams are legitimately working towards their own victory and compete for themselves in each and every match.
Setting up "house rules" for actual matches in the Alliance Tournament will be considered collusion and is not allowed. We know that most previous cases of teams agreeing to "house rules" before tournament matches have been harmless and have not represented attempts to break the spirit of the rules. However explicitly banning this kind of activity will make the enforcement of our general collusion rule much clearer and we will no longer be allowing this kind of activity. For example, if two teams that are facing each other agree together to bring setups that contain certain ships and/or do not contain other ships this will be considered a violation of the AT rules. Thanks in advance for refraining from this activity.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1212
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:46:00 -
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Exactly how do you intend to detect that kind of collusion? It seems like it would require monitoring of external services and forums, not just logs from inside the EVE client and servers.
I'm sort of new to participating in the tournament scene - at least the AT - but I do remember that one final match a few years back that everyone was pretty mad about..
It seems to me like the cases where it would be most obvious that it's happened, are after the fact - and if it happens that late in the game (hypothetical situation - another one of those terrible finals matches that was an obvious throw), what would be the expected response from CCP? Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1561
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:46:08 -
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Exactly how do you intend to detect that kind of collusion? It seems like it would require monitoring of external services and forums, not just logs from inside the EVE client and servers.
I'm sort of new to participating in the tournament scene - at least the AT - but I do remember that one final match a few years back that everyone was pretty mad about..
It seems to me like the cases where it would be most obvious that it's happened, are after the fact - and if it happens that late in the game (hypothetical situation - another one of those terrible finals matches that was an obvious throw), what would be the expected response from CCP?
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Owner, The Golden Masque
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
10703
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:54:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Exactly how do you intend to detect that kind of collusion? It seems like it would require monitoring of external services and forums, not just logs from inside the EVE client and servers.
I'm sort of new to participating in the tournament scene - at least the AT - but I do remember that one final match a few years back that everyone was pretty mad about..
It seems to me like the cases where it would be most obvious that it's happened, are after the fact - and if it happens that late in the game (hypothetical situation - another one of those terrible finals matches that was an obvious throw), what would be the expected response from CCP?
Of course we do not claim that we will be able to catch 100% of situations where people break this rule, but we will use all methods at our disposal to oversee the tournament. We reserve the right to respond in any way that the referee deems appropriate (including but not limited to disqualification and/or banning).
I understand these statements can be frustratingly vague, but that's the way it has to be. We have quite a bit of experience with these matters and I'll simply advise players to work towards their own victory and have a good time. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
13120
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:54:13 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Exactly how do you intend to detect that kind of collusion? It seems like it would require monitoring of external services and forums, not just logs from inside the EVE client and servers.
I'm sort of new to participating in the tournament scene - at least the AT - but I do remember that one final match a few years back that everyone was pretty mad about..
It seems to me like the cases where it would be most obvious that it's happened, are after the fact - and if it happens that late in the game (hypothetical situation - another one of those terrible finals matches that was an obvious throw), what would be the expected response from CCP?
Of course we do not claim that we will be able to catch 100% of situations where people break this rule, but we will use all methods at our disposal to oversee the tournament. We reserve the right to respond in any way that the referee deems appropriate (including but not limited to disqualification and/or banning).
I understand these statements can be frustratingly vague, but that's the way it has to be. We have quite a bit of experience with these matters and I'll simply advise players to work towards their own victory and have a good time.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/
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Robert Burgess
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2014.06.06 19:11:00 -
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"Your chatlogs. We has them. Your mumbles. We hears them. Your attempts to throw a match by fitting your ships absolutely horridly and throwing them at the ankles of your frienemies... we... really can't prove you did anything... but yarrrr!!!"
Best of luck to all of the "competitors" this year, it should be good fun! |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2014.06.06 19:54:00 -
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CCP can Awox corps in AT12 as easily as anyone else can. |
Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen Grumpy Space Bastards
242
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Posted - 2014.06.06 19:54:26 -
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CCP can Awox corps in AT12 as easily as anyone else can. |
Flick Narbotan
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
19
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Posted - 2014.06.06 20:42:00 -
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Does this mean that awoxing one's own team during a fight is banned? |
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Flick Narbotan
Deep Deep Derps
24
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Posted - 2014.06.06 20:42:49 -
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Does this mean that awoxing one's own team during a fight is banned? |
Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
69
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:57:00 -
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Flick Narbotan wrote:Does this mean that awoxing one's own team during a fight is banned? No, Broadswords are allowed. |
Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
108
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:57:55 -
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Flick Narbotan wrote:Does this mean that awoxing one's own team during a fight is banned? No, Broadswords are allowed. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1448
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:09:00 -
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To be honest, that's a bit sad. Eve is about more than just "hard" skills. The whole social part is extremely important for the game. GRRR Goons |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1802
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:09:23 -
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To be honest, that's a bit sad. Eve is about more than just "hard" skills. The whole social part is extremely important for the game. |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
4
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:45:00 -
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Would ransoming ships of the enemy team be considered house rules? |
lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:45:53 -
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Would ransoming ships of the enemy team be considered house rules? |
Fumb
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
3
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Posted - 2014.07.24 15:16:00 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:Would ransoming ships of the enemy team be considered house rules?
Wasn't it quite regular in the past to ransom the flagship?
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Fumb
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
3
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Posted - 2014.07.24 15:16:20 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:Would ransoming ships of the enemy team be considered house rules?
Wasn't it quite regular in the past to ransom the flagship?
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
753
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:49:00 -
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I'm thinking that ransoming a flagship would be allowed. But don't quote me on that. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014.
Free PASTA! |
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1375
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:49:33 -
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I'm thinking that ransoming a flagship would be allowed. But don't quote me on that.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5815
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Posted - 2014.08.26 06:17:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:To be honest, that's a bit sad. Eve is about more than just "hard" skills. The whole social part is extremely important for the game. So is the tournament, which is a separate entity from regular game play in many ways. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
Ranger 1 Presents https://www.youtube.com/user/Ranger1Presents |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6308
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Posted - 2014.08.26 06:17:21 -
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Gilbaron wrote:To be honest, that's a bit sad. Eve is about more than just "hard" skills. The whole social part is extremely important for the game. So is the tournament, which is a separate entity from regular game play in many ways.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
13120
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Posted - 2015.08.27 10:50:16 -
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Just cleaned up the OP a little to make it crystal clear that these policies continue to apply for ATXIII and all future ATs unless otherwise stated.
I don't expect we'll have any issues with these rules, but just in case please make sure you are familiar with them. If there are any questions please let us know.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/
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Canenald
Jump Drive Appreciation Society Test Alliance Please Ignore
82
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:38:27 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Exactly how do you intend to detect that kind of collusion? It seems like it would require monitoring of external services and forums, not just logs from inside the EVE client and servers.
CCP doesn't monitor out-of-game services, but we monitor each other. If a team is trying to set up AT matches, rest assured spais will not hesitate to report them.
Self-policing best policing. |
lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2015.08.27 14:39:38 -
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Would sharing AT ships between teams fall under this rule and if not, where can we report possible breaches of this rule? |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
13121
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Posted - 2015.08.28 13:42:51 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:Would sharing AT ships between teams fall under this rule and if not, where can we report possible breaches of this rule? Teams are allowed to use their ingame resources as they see fit, including lending/sharing ships if they choose.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/
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Frenis Tiwara
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.08.28 15:30:04 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:lolcorpholder alt wrote:Would sharing AT ships between teams fall under this rule and if not, where can we report possible breaches of this rule? Teams are allowed to use their ingame resources as they see fit, including lending/sharing ships if they choose.
Does sharing resources include sharing setups, fittings, Intel, match strategies, bans, etc? It's pretty questionable when teams not only bring the same setups with 100% identical fittings but also identical bans and general strategy.
The way I'm reading it the only thing that isn't allowed is intentially throwing a match or running on personal rules during the match. Unless something blatant happens like the entire enemy team boundary violating with only a single ship left any sort of match fixing is going to be impossible to detect.
These rules leave the door wide wide open for b-teams and quasi b-teams as long as they put on a good show for the spectators.
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Alt ofanalt Spai
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.08.28 15:46:41 -
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Frenis Tiwara wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:lolcorpholder alt wrote:Would sharing AT ships between teams fall under this rule and if not, where can we report possible breaches of this rule? Teams are allowed to use their ingame resources as they see fit, including lending/sharing ships if they choose. Does sharing resources include sharing setups, fittings, Intel, match strategies, bans, etc? It's pretty questionable when teams not only bring the same setups with 100% identical fittings but also identical bans and general strategy. The way I'm reading it the only thing that isn't allowed is intentially throwing a match or running on personal rules during the match. Unless something blatant happens like the entire enemy team boundary violating with only a single ship left any sort of match fixing is going to be impossible to detect. These rules leave the door wide wide open for b-teams and quasi b-teams as long as they put on a good show for the spectators.
yeah thats how im understanding the rules. As long as you dont throw a match, anything else is fine |
Dancul1001
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
49
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Posted - 2015.08.29 16:21:43 -
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just noticed this post
basically pl will run 4-6 teams next year seeing how as the only way in trouble for collusion is to throw a match
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