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Kiwi Kurenai
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.06.07 13:03:00 -
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Sucks I'm struggling with this nearly full API just to join a Corp's Teamspeak. They switched from Mumble to Teamspeak and now require I think its a nearly Full API just to join the Teamspeak.
Still in the corp but thats cuz they haven't kicked the people who haven't registered yet.
I'd prolly be fine with a Full APi to the CEO of the Corp but clearly some of his officers are shadey, and less than polite about the trash talking on teamspeak and in game Corp channels.
4ish month old account speaking. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3126
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Posted - 2014.06.07 13:15:00 -
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Yup, thank that wonderful meta in the game where "be the villain" has spread everywhere, and no one can trust anyone. In a game where spies, theft, and general asshattery is celebrated at such a high level, every smart corp has to protect themselves.
Of course, just to shoot myself in the foot, full disclosure: What got me interested in Eve was reading about Guiding Hand Social Club's timed theft of a corp's hangars and the destruction of one of the royal battleships, which are so incredibly rare. I did not start playing Eve because I wanted to do the same thing, but Eve showed up on my radar because of the article. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10832
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:46:00 -
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oh look a heist in a video game
i'm going to play that video game to moan on the forums about how these things shouldn't happen Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Lisa Gentilette
The Scope Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:57:00 -
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Standard reply from me, 'full api is ok if I get the full api of the CEO first'.
Guess how many times that went well. |
Subject 4927
The Last Service.
68
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Posted - 2014.06.07 15:06:00 -
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I only join corporations that don't require a full API. So that tells you something. I probably made you lose isk once. |
Immortal Chrono Pimpin
Vengance Inc.
78
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Posted - 2014.06.07 17:00:00 -
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CEOs and Directors are under the false impression that a full API will do jack **** for anyone thats actually serious about joining to do damage. |
Isabela Valentine
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
41
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Posted - 2014.06.07 18:32:00 -
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Depending on your corp history, KB information, and other factors, it's not unrealistic for a corporation to ask for a full API key. They can't do anything with it other than make sure you're not an alt or lying to them so it's not like there's much of a risk. If you don't like it then feel free to not join that corporation. API checks don't eliminate the possibility of corp thieves or awoxers but it makes them work harder to conceal themselves. Teamspeak API's arent usually full api's. Its just used so that when you leave the corporation you're no longer able to hold any rights on that TS server or join their Jabber server (if they have one).
Like I said though, if you don't want people snooping then dont join/apply to them. |
Marc Durant
7
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Posted - 2014.06.07 19:00:00 -
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They can have mine, if I can have theirs. |
Alexander Thorsen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.07 19:01:00 -
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I would be hesitant for a couple reasons. One, most counter-intel types don't know the difference between a spy and a saboteur. If you're not competent enough to begin to do a proper risk assessment, because spies and saboteurs will have different behavior patterns, who says you're competent enough to keep an API secure? Also, a lot of CI types don't seem to understand Federal privacy laws and where the line is between metagaming and committing a crime that will result in hard time (not to mention a complete ban from ever owning a computer that can connect to the internet). |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2014.06.07 21:36:00 -
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Giving your Full API is only a bad idea when you have something to hide. Thankfully it doesn't matter most of the time because the recruiters don't know what they are looking for, or even how to access the info. |
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Diek Ran
Autonums
1
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Posted - 2014.06.07 21:50:00 -
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Adira Nictor wrote:Giving your Full API is only a bad idea when you have something to hide. Thankfully it doesn't matter most of the time because the recruiters don't know what they are looking for, or even how to access the info.
The bad idea is to ask for it, because it won't help you protecting your corp.
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
649
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Posted - 2014.06.07 22:02:00 -
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Don't join a corp that asks for your full API. Retain some of your dignity. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6835
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Posted - 2014.06.07 22:05:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Don't join a corp that asks for your full API. Retain some of your dignity.
Yeah, be an NPC corp poster instead.
/golfclap "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
98
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Posted - 2014.06.07 22:06:00 -
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Lisa Gentilette wrote:Standard reply from me, 'full api is ok if I get the full api of the CEO first'. Guess how many times that went well.
And your stil in an NPC corp, so I guess everyone has thought your idea stupid.....
When a "bad recruit" is allowed to join it is not a corporation that suffers, it's them members that are hurt. I would not join a corp that did not do a thorough background and API check, as that would leave ME exposed.
A full API is one piece of a careful process to catch the dumb, lazy and casual corp thieves and AWOXers. Almost nothing is effective against the smart, determined and careful ones.
I honestly don't see the worry about. Fretting that im going to see what your selling and cut in on your market? Thank you but I get buy just fine on my own market activities.
Don't want me reading that mail of you cyber-ing that cute avatar? I'm not intrested, she is a guy anyway if you didn't know....
I have no problems recruiting quality members for my organization. For those who want to keep thier cyber mails private, there are corporations out there for you. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10360
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Posted - 2014.06.07 22:25:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Yup, thank that wonderful meta in the game where "be the villain" has spread everywhere, and no one can trust anyone. In a game where spies, theft, and general asshattery is celebrated at such a high level, every smart corp has to protect themselves. Trust exists under a mutual exchange of "if you hurt me, I/we can hurt you back just as much or more." No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2014.06.07 22:41:00 -
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Diek Ran wrote:Adira Nictor wrote:Giving your Full API is only a bad idea when you have something to hide. Thankfully it doesn't matter most of the time because the recruiters don't know what they are looking for, or even how to access the info. The bad idea is to ask for it, because it won't help you protecting your corp.
Tell that to my last 2 corps. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
650
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Posted - 2014.06.07 23:18:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Don't join a corp that asks for your full API. Retain some of your dignity. Yeah, be an NPC corp poster instead. /golfclap
I'm not in an NPC corp. I wasn't asked for my API key for my actual corp. It wasn't needed. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5016
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Posted - 2014.06.08 01:31:00 -
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I cant believe some people find it so hard to make up their own mind they have to lower themselves to asking in GD if they should
What a world we live in "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1817
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Posted - 2014.06.08 02:23:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:I cant believe some people find it so hard to make up their own mind they have to lower themselves to asking in GD if they should
What a world we live in
Certainly not empty quoting.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
40
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Posted - 2014.06.08 02:26:00 -
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Its certainly something that has been used since forever -- not fool-proof, but not empty either. Makes it where someone has to make another account to do what they do.
Not my style. More of a live-and-let-live guy, or that-guy-who-jams-your-targeting, market dude. lol Spying? Not me. Cloaky camping? I could endorse those people lol. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10364
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Posted - 2014.06.08 02:36:00 -
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I'm really amused by this trend of people saying "it doesn't work 100% of the time, therefore it doesn't work at all" in EVE.
I've seen it said about CONCORD too, e.g. "CONCORD doesn't prevent ganks/highsec is more dangerous than nullsec/if someone wants to shoot you they will". No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1170
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Posted - 2014.06.08 02:39:00 -
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Give the full API... then screw them over when you've gained their trust after years of dedicated service. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10836
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Posted - 2014.06.08 03:37:00 -
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Requiring an API is the difference between potential spies simply using another character slot and paying for a separate account to spy on you. It may not keep out all spies but it keeps out those who don't wish to put much effort into it. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
386
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Posted - 2014.06.08 07:10:00 -
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Conrad Lionhart wrote:My primary concern is that giving Full API will give people information to exploit me or somehow make my life miserable.
If it is very unlikely to happen, then I don't mind giving it.
The API page did warn me about giving this information, so I am just wary by default.
You miss the point, they want your full API so you can't make their lives miserable. You want in on their fun, you need to do it on their terms. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1364
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Posted - 2014.06.08 07:27:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Conrad Lionhart wrote:My primary concern is that giving Full API will give people information to exploit me or somehow make my life miserable.
If it is very unlikely to happen, then I don't mind giving it.
The API page did warn me about giving this information, so I am just wary by default. You miss the point, they want your full API so you can't make their lives miserable. You want in on their fun, you need to do it on their terms. Actually your Full API can give them loads of information to exploit you if you have anything worth exploiting. Such as officer mods on a mission running ship they can then locator agent & gank using an alt of theirs in another corp who can claim they 'scanned you on the undock' or some other BS to hide how they got the information.
Trust is a two way street, not one way like the 'Full API is important' crowd would like to have you believe. If they want you to trust them with your secrets (i.e. API even partial) they should be trusting you back with some honesty.
Reading my mail is pointless, anyone but the most moronic spy will just use an out of game communication method. And the most Moronic spy will give themselves away anyway. Assets of other characters on the same account, or in fact any details of the account is similarly pointless. Skills, sure, you want to know I'm actually training for that corp doctrine you set, not a problem, provided you actually have corp doctrines & SRP's that's a fair one to ask. Wallet, sure, you want to know if I'm lying about being broke, or if I'm telling the truth that I spent all my money during the last corp war and really do need to rat because I literally can't afford a new ship. But again, only relevant if there are actual corp deployments.
etc etc. It's not hard to justify why you need the API for something specific if you actually do need it. |
Ryuu Towryk
Reiuji Heavy Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.06.08 18:05:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Conrad Lionhart wrote:My primary concern is that giving Full API will give people information to exploit me or somehow make my life miserable.
If it is very unlikely to happen, then I don't mind giving it.
The API page did warn me about giving this information, so I am just wary by default. You miss the point, they want your full API so you can't make their lives miserable. You want in on their fun, you need to do it on their terms.
And I want their full api so I can trust they won't screw me over. Trust is a two way street after all. This is eve, you know, trust no one?
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
530
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Posted - 2014.06.08 18:52:00 -
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The only thing a full API is going to reveal is the kind of baddie you don't need a Full API to uncover.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10385
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Posted - 2014.06.08 20:16:00 -
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Ryuu Towryk wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Conrad Lionhart wrote:My primary concern is that giving Full API will give people information to exploit me or somehow make my life miserable.
If it is very unlikely to happen, then I don't mind giving it.
The API page did warn me about giving this information, so I am just wary by default. You miss the point, they want your full API so you can't make their lives miserable. You want in on their fun, you need to do it on their terms. And I want their full api so I can trust they won't screw me over. Trust is a two way street after all. This is eve, you know, trust no one? Corp recruiters generally don't screw you over. More than anything they want people in their corp and if they scammed or ganked people in the recruiting process then eventually people start to find out and they lose applicants. The exceptions to this rule being corps who don't recruit from the general EVE population, e.g. Goonwaffe. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Kaahles
Jion Keanturi
33
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Posted - 2014.06.08 20:29:00 -
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Sadly it's becoming more and more standard practice to ask for unlimited full access API. Soon you basically have 3 options:
a) submit to that utter and complete bullshit b) play solo c) move on to the next game
I personally decided quite a while ago for me it will be option C once that point arrives. And no you can't have my stuff I'll be giving it away to some random noob, who will probably never be able to join a corporation because of this since he obviously is a spy because why else would a 2 week old char have billions of ISK :P |
Marsha Mallow
977
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Posted - 2014.06.08 20:37:00 -
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Kaahles wrote:Sadly it's becoming more and more standard practice to ask for unlimited full access API. Soon you basically have 3 options:
a) submit to that utter and complete bullshit b) play solo c) move on to the next game
I personally decided quite a while ago for me it will be option C once that point arrives. And no you can't have my stuff I'll be giving it away to some random noob, who will probably never be able to join a corporation because of this since he obviously is a spy because why else would a 2 week old char have billions of ISK :P d) start your own corp
TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
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