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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.08 20:58:00 -
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Personally i'd never join a corp demanding a full api, in fact i'd think a looong time about a corp wanting a limited one as well.
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
752
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Posted - 2014.06.08 21:53:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Personally i'd never join a corp demanding a full api, in fact i'd think a looong time about a corp wanting a limited one as well.
So they should just take your word for it that you can fly the things you say you can, or that you have the SP etc you say you do? Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
356
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Posted - 2014.06.08 21:59:00 -
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Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not out to get them Kill it with Fire! |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2513
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Posted - 2014.06.08 22:09:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Full API seems a bit much unless they have a specific reason after checking killboards, eveboard, eve-gate, etc. Even then, they really should explain to you what their concerns are.
A partial API is normally enough.
As an observation though, I don't think many Corps really dedicate time to learning proper security.
That is until you teach them better recruitment processes via awoxing. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1195
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Posted - 2014.06.08 22:09:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Personally i'd never join a corp demanding a full api, in fact i'd think a looong time about a corp wanting a limited one as well.
Funny, to a cretain extent I would say the EXACT opposite. Not wishing to be the victim of . . . .what is it the cool kids call it? a safari? . . . awoxer or corp hopping blue shooter I would be worried if things wer enot checked with due diligence.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
360
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Posted - 2014.06.08 22:13:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:Personally i'd never join a corp demanding a full api, in fact i'd think a looong time about a corp wanting a limited one as well.
Funny, to a cretain extent I would say the EXACT opposite. Not wishing to be the victim of . . . .what is it the cool kids call it? a safari? . . . awoxer or corp hopping blue shooter I would be worried if things wer enot checked with due diligence. m
For me partial API is fine, We live out in low and generally run in packs. Worse case scenario you get ho dropped. But I fully agree with due diligence. Theres taking a chance and theres taking the ****. Kill it with Fire! |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1365
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Posted - 2014.06.08 22:20:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:
Funny, to a cretain extent I would say the EXACT opposite. Not wishing to be the victim of . . . .what is it the cool kids call it? a safari? . . . awoxer or corp hopping blue shooter I would be worried if things wer enot checked with due diligence.
m
Eve Kill should give that information normally however. Though directly checking their Kill API helps in case not a single victim has uploaded logs of any of the awox's. But.... That's a justifiable check. Not a 'we want to see everything about every character on the account' |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
362
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Posted - 2014.06.08 22:24:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:
Funny, to a cretain extent I would say the EXACT opposite. Not wishing to be the victim of . . . .what is it the cool kids call it? a safari? . . . awoxer or corp hopping blue shooter I would be worried if things wer enot checked with due diligence.
m
Eve Kill should give that information normally however. Though directly checking their Kill API helps in case not a single victim has uploaded logs of any of the awox's. But.... That's a justifiable check. Not a 'we want to see everything about every character on the account'
Evekill for recent history, Profile for Corp History and Eveboard for SP layout would probably do. I think of a partial API kind of like bringing your CV to a job interview Kill it with Fire! |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
311
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Posted - 2014.06.08 22:57:00 -
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Full API allows access to your market activities.
Nobody trading should ever give such information away to any corporation.
Unless you don't mind them cherry picking your profits.
If a corporation is too lazy to ask for exactly what they need and able to tell you why keep looking.
In the post custom API age no reason to use anything but custom. |
Dex Lysia
Hollywood Shoes and Bags Chained Reactions
25
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Posted - 2014.06.09 06:35:00 -
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Unfortunately it IS currently standard practice, but that is only because the majority of players are weak-willed idiots who just give in to whatever their worshipped overlords say without question. The overlords use it as a test of how controllable their new minions are likely to be so it is standard practice in the large alliances and now also the wannabe highsec alliances (LOL).
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
271
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Posted - 2014.06.09 08:14:00 -
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It's not like you can't delete your API keys once you're cleared, though, only an extremely paranoid corp/alliance would routinely require and check if your full API is still the same especially in if the corp/alliance has a large member count and lot's of recruits.
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
313
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Posted - 2014.06.09 12:23:00 -
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Baneken wrote:It's not like you can't delete your API keys once you're cleared, though, only an extremely paranoid corp/alliance would routinely require and check if your full API is still the same especially in if the corp/alliance has a large member count and lot's of recruits.
Or they leave your API's plugged into Evemon and it tells them who no longer has active API. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5052
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Posted - 2014.06.09 12:26:00 -
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Dex Lysia wrote:Unfortunately it IS currently standard practice, but that is only because the majority of players are weak-willed idiots who just give in to whatever their worshipped overlords say without question. The overlords use it as a test of how controllable their new minions are likely to be so it is standard practice in the large alliances and now also the wannabe highsec alliances (LOL).
Why shouldn't the weak-willed and small-minded be controlled by their betters? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Dominus Tempus
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
146
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Posted - 2014.06.09 12:29:00 -
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I can't give my full api for the reasons that corporations ask for it in the first place |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1546
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Posted - 2014.06.09 12:32:00 -
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I have yet to see anyone make a strong case in this thread for why Mail needs to be in a full API. As mentioned before, I don't have issues sharing everything else. .. when everything else is gone .. |
KrakizBad
Section 8. Fatal Ascension
1411
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Posted - 2014.06.09 14:14:00 -
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Dex Lysia wrote:Unfortunately it IS currently standard practice, but that is only because the majority of players are weak-willed idiots who just give in to whatever their worshipped overlords say without question. The overlords use it as a test of how controllable their new minions are likely to be so it is standard practice in the large alliances and now also the wannabe highsec alliances (LOL).
TL;DR - grrrrr www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
Jinn Aideron
33
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Posted - 2014.06.09 14:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:... Trust exists under a mutual exchange of "if you hurt me, I/we can hurt you back just as much or more." Lol. This is the kind of 'trust' as it was ubiquitous at the height of the Cold War! It's called Mutual Assured Destruction instead. Ask your marriage counselor about it.
Stealth deletes are bad. |
Othran
Route One
725
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Posted - 2014.06.09 14:30:00 -
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I've been in corps/alliances where it was standard practice to demand a full API.
In each & every case I told them when I applied they weren't getting the full API, they could have a limited API which didn't include Evemail or contacts.
I simply said that IME if somebody could read your evemails then at some point they will. There WILL be someone in the corp/alliance sad enough to go do that just because they can.
Its not like you're going to be a spai & evemail from the spai account anyway
Most corps probably will insist on an API which pulls your wallet transactions though - if you're bothered about someone seeing the specifics of how you make isk then make a trade alt.
tl;dr its not that big a deal IME to say you're not getting mail/contacts |
Jinn Aideron
33
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Posted - 2014.06.09 14:34:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:I have yet to see anyone make a strong (any?) case in this thread for why Mail needs to be in a full API. As mentioned before, I don't have issues sharing everything else. Because they can ask for it. It's in the API CCP provides, so they ask it. If your payment details were in there, they'd ask that, too. As goes for sexual preferences and shoe size. And that's the whole case 'for' this.
It's for everyone to decide not to participate in this bullshit.
Stealth deletes are bad. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5053
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Posted - 2014.06.09 14:37:00 -
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Jinn Aideron wrote:Sibyyl wrote:I have yet to see anyone make a strong (any?) case in this thread for why Mail needs to be in a full API. As mentioned before, I don't have issues sharing everything else. Because they can ask for it. It's in the API CCP provides, so they ask it. If your payment details were in there, they'd ask that, too. As goes for sexual preferences and shoe size. And that's the whole case 'for' this. It's for everyone to decide not to participate in this bullshit.
Exactly
If you dont like it, there's plenty of Corps willing to accept you without it
If your name is McCandless for example, you can join The Clan, we never ask for API. "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
915
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Posted - 2014.06.09 14:39:00 -
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I will cheerfully hand over a squeaky-clean full API to any corp I am planning on victimizing. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
714
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Posted - 2014.06.09 15:28:00 -
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If a corp asks for a full API, look for a different corp. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Othran
Route One
725
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Posted - 2014.06.09 15:33:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:If a corp asks for a full API, look for a different corp.
Or tell them they're not getting various sections & why. If they want you then they'll agree, if not then no big loss either way. |
Da'iel Zehn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
165
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:01:00 -
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I know of people who have 30+ accounts. APIs are pointless to keep out spies.
Daniel Zehn Keeper of Evil Frosty
PLEX for...-á :-) |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2124
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:11:00 -
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Andski wrote:Requiring an API is the difference between potential spies simply using another character slot and paying for a separate account to spy on you. It may not keep out all spies but it keeps out those who don't wish to put much effort into it.
In that regard an API check is like a lock. It keeps the honest people honest. A true bastard will find a way to ass ream you despite your security checks. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
725
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:40:00 -
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I give my full API out like I'm working a street corner under a pimp. It is really hard to change your signature settings |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5060
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:41:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:I give my full API out like I'm working a street corner under a pimp.
"Hey kid, wanna buy an API? Fresh and clean *wink wink*" "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
920
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Posted - 2014.06.09 19:15:00 -
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I would ask for a limited API just to verify the basics and give advice on skills.
You can ask for someone's API but it's not going to list their ten accounts.
The biggest thing to check is killboards. You would be surprised how many pilots keep jumping corps to get free kills. No one bothers to check because they get too excited about recruiting. |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2014.06.09 21:09:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote:I give my full API out like I'm working a street corner under a pimp. "Hey kid, wanna buy an API? Fresh and clean *wink wink*"
I'll take 3.
I might come back for more later. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
647
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Posted - 2014.06.09 21:31:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jinn Aideron wrote:Sibyyl wrote:I have yet to see anyone make a strong (any?) case in this thread for why Mail needs to be in a full API. As mentioned before, I don't have issues sharing everything else. Because they can ask for it. It's in the API CCP provides, so they ask it. If your payment details were in there, they'd ask that, too. As goes for sexual preferences and shoe size. And that's the whole case 'for' this. It's for everyone to decide not to participate in this bullshit. Exactly If you dont like it, there's plenty of Corps willing to accept you without it If your name is McCandless for example, you can join The Clan, we never ask for API. Now I know the name of my next awox alt =D
OP, Full api is not necessary for corp background checks, however so many sections should be checked that it's often easier to ask for a full api. If I were running corp security for a corp that I felt needed decent security (read as actually has stuff worth stealing/blowing up) I would ask for the following sections:
Everything in the "Account and Market" section.
Mail Messages (If I found any suspicious in here, I might request mail bodies, or reject the application outright) Mail Lists Contact Notifications Contact List
Contracts CharacterInfo Asset list Character Sheet is useful for evaluating an applicant, but not for security reasons
That's the minimum. The api must be set to reveal all characters on the account, and any one way monetary transactions should be noted. The api background check should be combined with searches on eve-live, eve-search, killboards, and basic background checks on previous corporations/contacts.
Sometimes even with all of this info its not enough. The reality is that recruiting is only the first line of security around a corporation. Even weeding out 80% of potential spies and awoxers makes the corp significantly safer. Internal corp security should be used to try to handle the ones that get in. Policies to demand activity, and force corp members to have a stake in the corp's survival are important as is careful distribution of information. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
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