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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2535
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Posted - 2014.06.15 00:49:00 -
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Xuixien wrote: Actually, people who say that are making a fair point in this day and age of EVE Online's recruitment scams, reverse safaris, etcetc. How do you know the person "recruiting" you is even a recruitment officer? And if they are, how do you know they're not friends ("blues") with one of your enemies, making them a security risk to you?
You know because you aren't a foam couch cushion eating moron and researched a bit about the corp you're intending to join, which granted you that magical knowledge?
Xuixien wrote: You don't even need to know who my contacts are (here's a tidbit for you dude - I don't have blues in my contact lists. I have a notepad document for that. All you'll find is neutrals and reds.)
How do i know, am I supposed to take your word on it, I'm going to put a single hangar at your disposal that will at times contain 20ish billion in fuel that the collective 500 members of my corp pull from.
I think theres an easier way than taking your 'word' about your watchlist, and no amount of :words: you put in print relieve you of the responsibility of proving you're trust worthy before I take you in.
Solecist Project wrote: You recruit. You ask for full API keys.
I awox. I create a new clone.
You can easily have my full API key and it doesn't matter.
Your account will show older than the alt you put on it, which is a red flag.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Spectral Tiger
0
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Posted - 2014.06.15 00:57:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Your account will show older than the alt you put on it, which is a red flag.
Not if it's a new account.
If someone is going to the trouble to infiltrate your corp. they will have a lot of patience. They may already be using several accounts for this purpose. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1635
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Posted - 2014.06.15 06:06:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Sibyyl wrote:I'd be happy to lose the ability to read email in third party applications if it removed email as an API checkbox that is blindly ticked in a "full API" request that is so in vogue now. Your email gets sifted through all the time anyway, and I'm not just talking about email in game. You do realize that right? So by your logic, since the NSA is sifting through all my emails anyway I should give you the password to my Gmail account?
I get the need for intelligence on applicants, but I fail to see what kind of intelligence email is getting a recruiter.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2536
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Posted - 2014.06.15 17:31:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Your account will show older than the alt you put on it, which is a red flag.
Not if it's a new account. If someone is going to the trouble to infiltrate your corp. they will have a lot of patience. They may already be using several accounts for this purpose.
Tell me more about spies and what they might do to infiltrate a corp.
Very few corps that ask for a full API would outright take a brand new account because that is also a warning sign. There are places that new accounts go to fly in player ran corps, and then there are all the other established corps that they dont reply to because of standing skill point requirements, so no, what you're suggesting doesn't actually work.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1646
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Posted - 2014.06.15 17:40:00 -
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^^ Grath, so account age can be extracted from API then? Didn't see a checkbox in the API creation page. .. when everything else is gone .. |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
255
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Posted - 2014.06.15 18:00:00 -
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/account/AccountStatus.xml.aspx Baddest poster ever |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
1293
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Posted - 2014.06.15 18:59:00 -
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Only one corp has never asked for my full API.
I think the problem with APIs is not so much they are useles for catching spies, but they get too many false positives. I mean they guy who I watch listed because he had probes out while I was in a plex and might be camping my outgate is now grand boobah of some alliance or other, so now I risk being kicked out notice.
Of course if I were a spy, that would be exactly the sort of story I would spin. |
Erika Mizune
The Soul Society Brothers of Tangra
13
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Posted - 2014.06.15 19:12:00 -
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I am fine with partial character API's - but I'm not ok with full account API's. I understand larger corps need for them since they use it to check and weed out potential spy's - but I think it's a little bit "too" much. You can get a lot of information with a single character limited API just as well, the full API is just overkill.
I had a corp request a full API on me and when I didn't give them my full account API in they kicked me out after I explained my reasons for not wanting to disclose one of my characters on my account's information.
As for it being a standard: It seems to be for larger corps/alliances, but personally I would stay away from it since it is a little bit too much. DJ Yumene of Eve Radio Like Music? Check this out!: Parody Listing: http://yumene.subspace-radio.net/listing Also check out [url]http://www.eve-radio.com/[/url]! |
eFart
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.15 19:59:00 -
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most corps want full api because they think being demanding makes them leet some might be leet most not tho my account belongs too myself anyways u might give full to huge alliance but partial is ok for most corps |
Spectral Tiger
3
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Posted - 2014.06.16 00:27:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Spectral Tiger wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Your account will show older than the alt you put on it, which is a red flag.
Not if it's a new account. If someone is going to the trouble to infiltrate your corp. they will have a lot of patience. They may already be using several accounts for this purpose. Tell me more about spies and what they might do to infiltrate a corp. Very few corps that ask for a full API would outright take a brand new account because that is also a warning sign. There are places that new accounts go to fly in player ran corps, and then there are all the other established corps that they dont reply to because of standing skill point requirements, so no, what you're suggesting doesn't actually work.
Yes, I know most corps have a SP limit anyway.
What I would do if I was looking to infiltrate a corp. would be to run at least 3 accounts and keep them completely separate at all times. Wouldn't even bother trying to infiltrate until at least after the accounts have been active for 6 months more likely longer. That's not to say all 3 would try to join your corp. just the most suitable one for your corp. The others would be ready to infiltrate another corp.
You wouldn't be able to tell and your security would most likely aid me as people that feel that their security is good tend to get sloppy.
Actually I'm almost tempted to try. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5776
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Posted - 2014.06.16 07:24:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Spectral Tiger wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Your account will show older than the alt you put on it, which is a red flag.
Not if it's a new account. If someone is going to the trouble to infiltrate your corp. they will have a lot of patience. They may already be using several accounts for this purpose. Tell me more about spies and what they might do to infiltrate a corp. Very few corps that ask for a full API would outright take a brand new account because that is also a warning sign. There are places that new accounts go to fly in player ran corps, and then there are all the other established corps that they dont reply to because of standing skill point requirements, so no, what you're suggesting doesn't actually work. Yes, I know most corps have a SP limit anyway. What I would do if I was looking to infiltrate a corp. would be to run at least 3 accounts and keep them completely separate at all times. Wouldn't even bother trying to infiltrate until at least after the accounts have been active for 6 months more likely longer. That's not to say all 3 would try to join your corp. just the most suitable one for your corp. The others would be ready to infiltrate another corp. You wouldn't be able to tell and your security would most likely aid me as people that feel that their security is good tend to get sloppy. Actually I'm almost tempted to try. Yes, actually you should. You will be taking your first steps into a larger world. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1213
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Posted - 2014.06.16 08:03:00 -
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I'm tempted to say... You're not giving your full API to the government or the NSA, you're giving it to your corp leader... Which you will have to trust once you're in anyway.
I'm also tempted to say... If you have nothing to hide, there should not be a problem. And anyway, if you the fact that a corp asks for a full API is enough to turn you away, then maybe that corp wasn't that attractive in the first place.
EVE is a game where you can be evil. Financian losses, a corp can get over it. But betrayal, sometimes its harder than any other kind of loss to get over it. Its understandable for corps to take precautions against this.
Also, except if you are in a corp with an army of recruiters, or in a very small corp, your API informations will probably not be looked into too much at recruitment, and not at all after you join.
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
654
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Posted - 2014.06.16 10:47:00 -
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What did I hear someone say once? In Eve don't trust anyone you can't walk 20m out of your house and go punch in the face. Even people you call friends and think are trustworthy can have senior moments in-game and go completely nuts. There's nothing you can do to defend against that. An API key is just not going to help you. And of course always assume everyone is a spy unless you're flying with your mom. She's probably not a spy. But if she's anything like you and you are a spy, she might be, because you two are pretty closely related genetically and probably behaviourally too.
That's all there is to Eve really. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2014.06.16 11:06:00 -
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It's stupid. I won't give it. Not becuse I'm afraid of what someone will see but because it's stupidly ineffective.
What next? Stool and Urine samples? Semen in a jar?
And no I don't care about not getting into another "regular, boring, run of the mill, same as every other" corp... |
Jinn Aideron
41
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Posted - 2014.06.16 13:14:00 -
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Altrue wrote:very sensible post Nice. Love the logo btw, looks good!
Altrue wrote:If you have nothing to hide, there should not be a problem. OT: In the most general terms, and w/o any particular direction at the quoted, just because this is said a lot, which still doesn't make it hold any more truth:
This is self-deception, and deception of others: Everyone has things to hide, and rightly so, as well as she must be allowed to hide them.
-- Last time you had intercourse in plain sight in a public park?* -- Last very casual nude Friday at work? (*or a hundred other examples)
q.e.d.
Stealth deletes are bad. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5422
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Posted - 2014.06.16 13:23:00 -
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Jinn Aideron wrote:Altrue wrote:very sensible post Nice. Love the logo btw, looks good! Altrue wrote:If you have nothing to hide, there should not be a problem. OT: In the most general terms, and w/o any particular direction at the quoted, just because this is said a lot, which still doesn't make it hold any more truth: This is self-deception, and deception of others: Everyone has things to hide, and rightly so, as well as she must be allowed to hide them. -- Last time you had intercourse in plain sight in a public park?* -- Last very casual nude Friday at work? (*or a hundred other examples) q.e.d.
Both being illegal
And thusly missing the point "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Tricia Killnu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.16 13:37:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jinn Aideron wrote:Altrue wrote:very sensible post Nice. Love the logo btw, looks good! Altrue wrote:If you have nothing to hide, there should not be a problem. OT: In the most general terms, and w/o any particular direction at the quoted, just because this is said a lot, which still doesn't make it hold any more truth: This is self-deception, and deception of others: Everyone has things to hide, and rightly so, as well as she must be allowed to hide them. -- Last time you had intercourse in plain sight in a public park?* -- Last very casual nude Friday at work? (*or a hundred other examples) q.e.d. Both being illegal And thusly missing the point
Not true in every country FYI Sometimes you just have to realized you undocked and you suck. . . |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5422
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Posted - 2014.06.16 13:44:00 -
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Tricia Killnu wrote:
Not true in every country FYI
And therefore not hidden in every country
What is your point? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1118
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Posted - 2014.06.16 14:19:00 -
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Jinn Aideron wrote:Altrue wrote:very sensible post Nice. Love the logo btw, looks good! Altrue wrote:If you have nothing to hide, there should not be a problem. OT: In the most general terms, and w/o any particular direction at the quoted, just because this is said a lot, which still doesn't make it hold any more truth: This is self-deception, and deception of others: Everyone has things to hide, and rightly so, as well as she must be allowed to hide them. -- Last time you had intercourse in plain sight in a public park?* -- Last very casual nude Friday at work? (*or a hundred other examples) q.e.d.
You can hide them all you want but don't whine if you cannot get access to a group of people who want you to share your secrets. That's all there is to it. The game is still playable even if you never give out your APIs. It's all player generated rules that you are fighting against.
If you really don't want to deal with API shenanigans, you have 3 choice.
Join a corp not asking for it Run your own corp Deal with the corp managemnet to see if they can lift the requirement.
If all else fail, I head Caldari Provision is recruiting. |
Tricia Killnu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.16 15:35:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Tricia Killnu wrote:
Not true in every country FYI
And therefore not hidden in every country What is your point?
You said both were illegal
I was just saying depends on the country cause I know several places where nudity and having sex on the job are neither exclusive or illegal.
And not hidden either. . .those windows are rather large and on the first floor.
Makes for an interesting commute Sometimes you just have to realized you undocked and you suck. . . |
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