Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 :: [one page] |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
Conrad Lionhart
11
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 04:50:00 -
[1] - Quote
Hey all,
I just came back to the game after being away for over a year.
There is a corp that talked to me about joining, but before I could join, they requested my FULL (not partial) API.
I want to know whether this has become standard practice nowadays for corps recruiting new members.
Back in the day, I just joined a corp without such need for an API, and the only time they needed my API was for teamspeak, and even then a limited API was enough.
So is it safe to give my full API? Is it now standard practice to give your full API to corps that you want to join? |
Sher Rayet
44
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 04:55:00 -
[2] - Quote
If you give away full API they read your mails and transactions etc. Go ahead... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1809
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 05:09:00 -
[3] - Quote
Full API seems a bit much unless they have a specific reason after checking killboards, eveboard, eve-gate, etc. Even then, they really should explain to you what their concerns are.
A partial API is normally enough.
As an observation though, I don't think many Corps really dedicate time to learning proper security. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Conrad Lionhart
11
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 05:10:00 -
[4] - Quote
Sher Rayet wrote:If you give away full API they read your mails and transactions etc. Go ahead...
But is it standard practice? Would you do it if you wanted to join a new corp? |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
119213
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 05:11:00 -
[5] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Full API seems a bit much unless they have a specific reason after checking killboards, eveboard, eve-gate, etc.
A partial API is normally enough.
As an observation though, I don't think many Corps really dedicate time to learning proper security.[
This.
A guide to eve recruiting for new players. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1507
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 05:12:00 -
[6] - Quote
I feel like I'm alright with everything except Mail.. having Mail in there seems unnecessary and perhaps invasive. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1809
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 05:13:00 -
[7] - Quote
Conrad Lionhart wrote:But is it standard practice? Would you do it if you wanted to join a new corp?
I would because I don't have anything to hide. However there may be others that see it as too invasive, which I would also agree with. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Bapfl
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 05:15:00 -
[8] - Quote
Once gain, someone tries to suggest on the forums that full API requirement is actually standard practice.
I don't think full API is useful because people can always buy a new account... oh wait, it is useful, nvm. |
Don Purple
239
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 05:17:00 -
[9] - Quote
There's plenty of corps that dont need full API codes. They are all over my killboard. The practice is now standard and in most cases you do not want a corp that recruits without it. Also 60% of those corps asking have no idea to properly crawl up your insides so just give it to them. I am just here to snuggle. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1152
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 05:27:00 -
[10] - Quote
Full API is standard and has been for years. if you had corps before that didnt require it its no wonder they aint around now. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
|
Magnus Cortex
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
180
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 05:50:00 -
[11] - Quote
People use eve mail? Really? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1359
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 08:47:00 -
[12] - Quote
Conrad Lionhart wrote:Sher Rayet wrote:If you give away full API they read your mails and transactions etc. Go ahead... But is it standard practice? Would you do it if you wanted to join a new corp? A lot do it because someone told them it will keep out spies. Anyone not prepared to explain exactly what part of your API they actually need to check and why they need to check it doesn't actually understand what they are looking at anyway and is only asking because someone told them they should check Full API's.
Its something I refuse to give out, I'll give a partial to a corp that can justify the bits they want to see, as some bits are fair to look at, but demanding a full and not explaining what bits they actually need to see is a mark of a bad recruiter. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2074
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 08:48:00 -
[13] - Quote
... front page domination ... The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 @SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
|
Solai
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
243
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 08:56:00 -
[14] - Quote
It's standard practice for corps that are worth joining. Any group that's sufficiently organized and with sufficient infrastructure at stake has overwhelming incentive to do a full API comb, and keep a permanent full API on hand, including reading your evemails.
Invasive? Absolutely. Degrading? For the recruiter/security guy as well as the applicant. Un-fun? Boy howdy. Not entirely effective, even with a thorough check? Fraid so.
And with all the downsides combined, it's still worthwhile to require the full API.... If you stand to lose enough, that is. Some corps and alliances are at higher risk from spies, saboteurs and awoxers. These are typically the more powerful groups, who inevitably have enemies that are willing to dedicate a subscription simply to gathering your intel, or waiting for a moment to exploit, burning the spy.
By requiring the full API, you make it a bit less easy for opponents to infiltrate you. Having only a few spies in your ranks is a lot better than having a bunch of spies.
The paranoia sucks - the security check sucks - the lack of privacy sucks - the newbie unfriendliness sucks - the extra layer of bureaucracy sucks - the extra work sucks. Yet, all of that sucks less than what spies can potentially afflict on a competitive alliance.
Full API is standard for alliances that matter. No API, no recruit.
Jolly Codgers corp - Bloodthirsty old men of Null-Sec. -á PVP and organizational excellence through maturity, for pilots age 30+. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2075
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:00:00 -
[15] - Quote
... 100%, BINGO! The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 @SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
|
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1359
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:02:00 -
[16] - Quote
Except nowhere in there did you actually explain a single thing about how a FULL API rather than a partial actually changes anything. Nor what bits actually help you in checking for spies or running a corp. You just trotted out the old passed down and horribly flawed argument. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2076
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:08:00 -
[17] - Quote
Full API does nothing against a dedicated spies. The whole procedure is more or less pointless. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 @SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
|
Conrad Lionhart
11
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:12:00 -
[18] - Quote
My primary concern is that giving Full API will give people information to exploit me or somehow make my life miserable.
If it is very unlikely to happen, then I don't mind giving it.
The API page did warn me about giving this information, so I am just wary by default. |
KnowUsByTheDead
1804
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:13:00 -
[19] - Quote
I will give my api.
It shows trust.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2076
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:15:00 -
[20] - Quote
lol The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 @SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
|
|
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10353
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:25:00 -
[21] - Quote
Here's one thing I've wondered about this. I gave my corp full API (and alliance some API details too, don't remember exactly what though). So at the very least my corp can read my mail.
I have two messages from GMs in my mailbox. It's against the EULA to share GM correspondence. So if someone pulls a GM mail from my API (and I know you can since I can see them in EVEMon) and posts it somewhere, does this mean that I've violated the EULA? Even if it doesn't, is some trigger happy GM going to assume that it was me who shared it, and bring the hammer down anyway?
I think I'll file a support ticket.
I could just delete the message but any rule that says I'm obligated by EULA to delete private correspondence is a rule that needs revision. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
676
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:27:00 -
[22] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Here's one thing I've wondered about this. I gave my corp full API (and alliance some API details too, don't remember exactly what though). So at the very least my corp can read my mail.
I have two messages from GMs in my mailbox. It's against the EULA to share GM correspondence. So if someone pulls a GM mail from my API (and I know you can since I can see them in EVEMon) and posts it somewhere, does this mean that I've violated the EULA? Even if it doesn't, is some trigger happy GM going to assume that it was me who shared it, and bring the hammer down anyway?
I think I'll file a support ticket.
I could just delete the message but any rule that says I'm obligated by EULA to delete private correspondence is a rule that needs revision.
You're making a good point here, unless CCP already thought of this and excluded GM mail from the API? (I doubt they thought if it, but you never know!) Still a support ticket for clearance on the matter is a good idea! Mercenaries for peace: Mordu's Legion -á-áSansha Aeon Supercarrier engaged in Haras System! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10353
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:28:00 -
[23] - Quote
Jandice Ymladris wrote:You're making a good point here, unless CCP already thought of this and excluded GM mail from the API? (I doubt they thought if it, but you never know!) Still a support ticket for clearance on the matter is a good idea! They didn't, because as I said I can see them in EVEMon. I checked that as I was writing that post. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
1085
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:34:00 -
[24] - Quote
Conrad Lionhart wrote:Sher Rayet wrote:If you give away full API they read your mails and transactions etc. Go ahead... But is it standard practice? Would you do it if you wanted to join a new corp?
i require full api before i let people join manson. can't speak for others. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Solai
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
243
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:34:00 -
[25] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Except nowhere in there did you actually explain a single thing about how a FULL API rather than a partial actually changes anything. Nor what bits actually help you in checking for spies or running a corp. You just trotted out the old passed down and horribly flawed argument. I'm not about to explain all the details of the API combing process or spy-hunting tactics, if that's what you're fishing for.
The assumption is that if it's not full, then the recruit wants to omit some information, such as their eve mails, wallet transactions, assets, etc, for whatever reason. All of those can be used to assess risk, and weed out BadSpies. Any item that any player would logically wish to hide, for innocent reasons or otherwise, is useful info for risk assessment.
Will it make your recruitment airtight? No, of course not, and no one thinks so. But it does make it easier for a spy to make a mistake. And they do make mistakes, regularly, giving you the opportunity to see them. As opposed to never having the opportunity to see that data.
I've seen it argued that since full API info does not assure you will catch all the spies, then it's worthless. That's a logical fallacy that shouldn't require explaining.
If you believe that a limited API offers equivalent security opportunities, then would you mind giving an example of which elements you'd propose a recruit ought to be able to omit?
Jolly Codgers corp - Bloodthirsty old men of Null-Sec. -á PVP and organizational excellence through maturity, for pilots age 30+. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
676
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 09:43:00 -
[26] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jandice Ymladris wrote:You're making a good point here, unless CCP already thought of this and excluded GM mail from the API? (I doubt they thought if it, but you never know!) Still a support ticket for clearance on the matter is a good idea! They didn't, because as I said I can see them in EVEMon. I checked that as I was writing that post.
Roger that! Then it's a fully legitimate concern, and considering how dirty some people play this game (meta or otherwise) it would be good to get a CCP reply on this. Mercenaries for peace: Mordu's Legion -á-áSansha Aeon Supercarrier engaged in Haras System! |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
234
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 10:21:00 -
[27] - Quote
In 10 years Ive never given my full API nor will I ever to any corp no matter how good they think themselves. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
Doreen Kaundur
442
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 10:46:00 -
[28] - Quote
Conrad Lionhart wrote:Hey all,
I just came back to the game after being away for over a year.
There is a corp that talked to me about joining, but before I could join, they requested my FULL (not partial) API.
I want to know whether this has become standard practice nowadays for corps recruiting new members.
Back in the day, I just joined a corp without such need for an API, and the only time they needed my API was for teamspeak, and even then a limited API was enough.
So is it safe to give my full API? Is it now standard practice to give your full API to corps that you want to join?
Pfft. That's nothing. One corp asked for my first born.
|
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
25
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 11:09:00 -
[29] - Quote
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Pfft. That's nothing. One corp asked for my first born.
W-space corps are another beast in it's entirety.
|
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
25
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 11:12:00 -
[30] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: I think I'll file a support ticket.
I could just delete the message but any rule that says I'm obligated by EULA to delete private correspondence is a rule that needs revision.
I think CCP Punkutris does API stuff. |
|
Kiwi Kurenai
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 13:03:00 -
[31] - Quote
Sucks I'm struggling with this nearly full API just to join a Corp's Teamspeak. They switched from Mumble to Teamspeak and now require I think its a nearly Full API just to join the Teamspeak.
Still in the corp but thats cuz they haven't kicked the people who haven't registered yet.
I'd prolly be fine with a Full APi to the CEO of the Corp but clearly some of his officers are shadey, and less than polite about the trash talking on teamspeak and in game Corp channels.
4ish month old account speaking. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3126
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 13:15:00 -
[32] - Quote
Yup, thank that wonderful meta in the game where "be the villain" has spread everywhere, and no one can trust anyone. In a game where spies, theft, and general asshattery is celebrated at such a high level, every smart corp has to protect themselves.
Of course, just to shoot myself in the foot, full disclosure: What got me interested in Eve was reading about Guiding Hand Social Club's timed theft of a corp's hangars and the destruction of one of the royal battleships, which are so incredibly rare. I did not start playing Eve because I wanted to do the same thing, but Eve showed up on my radar because of the article. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10832
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 14:46:00 -
[33] - Quote
oh look a heist in a video game
i'm going to play that video game to moan on the forums about how these things shouldn't happen Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Lisa Gentilette
The Scope Gallente Federation
95
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 14:57:00 -
[34] - Quote
Standard reply from me, 'full api is ok if I get the full api of the CEO first'.
Guess how many times that went well. |
Subject 4927
The Last Service.
68
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 15:06:00 -
[35] - Quote
I only join corporations that don't require a full API. So that tells you something. I probably made you lose isk once. |
Immortal Chrono Pimpin
Vengance Inc.
78
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 17:00:00 -
[36] - Quote
CEOs and Directors are under the false impression that a full API will do jack **** for anyone thats actually serious about joining to do damage. |
Isabela Valentine
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
41
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 18:32:00 -
[37] - Quote
Depending on your corp history, KB information, and other factors, it's not unrealistic for a corporation to ask for a full API key. They can't do anything with it other than make sure you're not an alt or lying to them so it's not like there's much of a risk. If you don't like it then feel free to not join that corporation. API checks don't eliminate the possibility of corp thieves or awoxers but it makes them work harder to conceal themselves. Teamspeak API's arent usually full api's. Its just used so that when you leave the corporation you're no longer able to hold any rights on that TS server or join their Jabber server (if they have one).
Like I said though, if you don't want people snooping then dont join/apply to them. |
Marc Durant
7
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 19:00:00 -
[38] - Quote
They can have mine, if I can have theirs. |
Alexander Thorsen
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 19:01:00 -
[39] - Quote
I would be hesitant for a couple reasons. One, most counter-intel types don't know the difference between a spy and a saboteur. If you're not competent enough to begin to do a proper risk assessment, because spies and saboteurs will have different behavior patterns, who says you're competent enough to keep an API secure? Also, a lot of CI types don't seem to understand Federal privacy laws and where the line is between metagaming and committing a crime that will result in hard time (not to mention a complete ban from ever owning a computer that can connect to the internet). |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
67
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 21:36:00 -
[40] - Quote
Giving your Full API is only a bad idea when you have something to hide. Thankfully it doesn't matter most of the time because the recruiters don't know what they are looking for, or even how to access the info. |
|
Diek Ran
Autonums
1
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 21:50:00 -
[41] - Quote
Adira Nictor wrote:Giving your Full API is only a bad idea when you have something to hide. Thankfully it doesn't matter most of the time because the recruiters don't know what they are looking for, or even how to access the info.
The bad idea is to ask for it, because it won't help you protecting your corp.
|
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
649
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 22:02:00 -
[42] - Quote
Don't join a corp that asks for your full API. Retain some of your dignity. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6835
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 22:05:00 -
[43] - Quote
Victoria Sin wrote:Don't join a corp that asks for your full API. Retain some of your dignity.
Yeah, be an NPC corp poster instead.
/golfclap "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
98
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 22:06:00 -
[44] - Quote
Lisa Gentilette wrote:Standard reply from me, 'full api is ok if I get the full api of the CEO first'. Guess how many times that went well.
And your stil in an NPC corp, so I guess everyone has thought your idea stupid.....
When a "bad recruit" is allowed to join it is not a corporation that suffers, it's them members that are hurt. I would not join a corp that did not do a thorough background and API check, as that would leave ME exposed.
A full API is one piece of a careful process to catch the dumb, lazy and casual corp thieves and AWOXers. Almost nothing is effective against the smart, determined and careful ones.
I honestly don't see the worry about. Fretting that im going to see what your selling and cut in on your market? Thank you but I get buy just fine on my own market activities.
Don't want me reading that mail of you cyber-ing that cute avatar? I'm not intrested, she is a guy anyway if you didn't know....
I have no problems recruiting quality members for my organization. For those who want to keep thier cyber mails private, there are corporations out there for you. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10360
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 22:25:00 -
[45] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Yup, thank that wonderful meta in the game where "be the villain" has spread everywhere, and no one can trust anyone. In a game where spies, theft, and general asshattery is celebrated at such a high level, every smart corp has to protect themselves. Trust exists under a mutual exchange of "if you hurt me, I/we can hurt you back just as much or more." No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
67
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 22:41:00 -
[46] - Quote
Diek Ran wrote:Adira Nictor wrote:Giving your Full API is only a bad idea when you have something to hide. Thankfully it doesn't matter most of the time because the recruiters don't know what they are looking for, or even how to access the info. The bad idea is to ask for it, because it won't help you protecting your corp.
Tell that to my last 2 corps. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
650
|
Posted - 2014.06.07 23:18:00 -
[47] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Don't join a corp that asks for your full API. Retain some of your dignity. Yeah, be an NPC corp poster instead. /golfclap
I'm not in an NPC corp. I wasn't asked for my API key for my actual corp. It wasn't needed. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5016
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 01:31:00 -
[48] - Quote
I cant believe some people find it so hard to make up their own mind they have to lower themselves to asking in GD if they should
What a world we live in "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1817
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 02:23:00 -
[49] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:I cant believe some people find it so hard to make up their own mind they have to lower themselves to asking in GD if they should
What a world we live in
Certainly not empty quoting.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
40
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 02:26:00 -
[50] - Quote
Its certainly something that has been used since forever -- not fool-proof, but not empty either. Makes it where someone has to make another account to do what they do.
Not my style. More of a live-and-let-live guy, or that-guy-who-jams-your-targeting, market dude. lol Spying? Not me. Cloaky camping? I could endorse those people lol. |
|
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10364
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 02:36:00 -
[51] - Quote
I'm really amused by this trend of people saying "it doesn't work 100% of the time, therefore it doesn't work at all" in EVE.
I've seen it said about CONCORD too, e.g. "CONCORD doesn't prevent ganks/highsec is more dangerous than nullsec/if someone wants to shoot you they will". No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1170
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 02:39:00 -
[52] - Quote
Give the full API... then screw them over when you've gained their trust after years of dedicated service. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10836
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 03:37:00 -
[53] - Quote
Requiring an API is the difference between potential spies simply using another character slot and paying for a separate account to spy on you. It may not keep out all spies but it keeps out those who don't wish to put much effort into it. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
386
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 07:10:00 -
[54] - Quote
Conrad Lionhart wrote:My primary concern is that giving Full API will give people information to exploit me or somehow make my life miserable.
If it is very unlikely to happen, then I don't mind giving it.
The API page did warn me about giving this information, so I am just wary by default.
You miss the point, they want your full API so you can't make their lives miserable. You want in on their fun, you need to do it on their terms. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1364
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 07:27:00 -
[55] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Conrad Lionhart wrote:My primary concern is that giving Full API will give people information to exploit me or somehow make my life miserable.
If it is very unlikely to happen, then I don't mind giving it.
The API page did warn me about giving this information, so I am just wary by default. You miss the point, they want your full API so you can't make their lives miserable. You want in on their fun, you need to do it on their terms. Actually your Full API can give them loads of information to exploit you if you have anything worth exploiting. Such as officer mods on a mission running ship they can then locator agent & gank using an alt of theirs in another corp who can claim they 'scanned you on the undock' or some other BS to hide how they got the information.
Trust is a two way street, not one way like the 'Full API is important' crowd would like to have you believe. If they want you to trust them with your secrets (i.e. API even partial) they should be trusting you back with some honesty.
Reading my mail is pointless, anyone but the most moronic spy will just use an out of game communication method. And the most Moronic spy will give themselves away anyway. Assets of other characters on the same account, or in fact any details of the account is similarly pointless. Skills, sure, you want to know I'm actually training for that corp doctrine you set, not a problem, provided you actually have corp doctrines & SRP's that's a fair one to ask. Wallet, sure, you want to know if I'm lying about being broke, or if I'm telling the truth that I spent all my money during the last corp war and really do need to rat because I literally can't afford a new ship. But again, only relevant if there are actual corp deployments.
etc etc. It's not hard to justify why you need the API for something specific if you actually do need it. |
Ryuu Towryk
Reiuji Heavy Industries
0
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 18:05:00 -
[56] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Conrad Lionhart wrote:My primary concern is that giving Full API will give people information to exploit me or somehow make my life miserable.
If it is very unlikely to happen, then I don't mind giving it.
The API page did warn me about giving this information, so I am just wary by default. You miss the point, they want your full API so you can't make their lives miserable. You want in on their fun, you need to do it on their terms.
And I want their full api so I can trust they won't screw me over. Trust is a two way street after all. This is eve, you know, trust no one?
|
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
530
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 18:52:00 -
[57] - Quote
The only thing a full API is going to reveal is the kind of baddie you don't need a Full API to uncover.
|
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10385
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 20:16:00 -
[58] - Quote
Ryuu Towryk wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Conrad Lionhart wrote:My primary concern is that giving Full API will give people information to exploit me or somehow make my life miserable.
If it is very unlikely to happen, then I don't mind giving it.
The API page did warn me about giving this information, so I am just wary by default. You miss the point, they want your full API so you can't make their lives miserable. You want in on their fun, you need to do it on their terms. And I want their full api so I can trust they won't screw me over. Trust is a two way street after all. This is eve, you know, trust no one? Corp recruiters generally don't screw you over. More than anything they want people in their corp and if they scammed or ganked people in the recruiting process then eventually people start to find out and they lose applicants. The exceptions to this rule being corps who don't recruit from the general EVE population, e.g. Goonwaffe. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Kaahles
Jion Keanturi
33
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 20:29:00 -
[59] - Quote
Sadly it's becoming more and more standard practice to ask for unlimited full access API. Soon you basically have 3 options:
a) submit to that utter and complete bullshit b) play solo c) move on to the next game
I personally decided quite a while ago for me it will be option C once that point arrives. And no you can't have my stuff I'll be giving it away to some random noob, who will probably never be able to join a corporation because of this since he obviously is a spy because why else would a 2 week old char have billions of ISK :P |
Marsha Mallow
977
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 20:37:00 -
[60] - Quote
Kaahles wrote:Sadly it's becoming more and more standard practice to ask for unlimited full access API. Soon you basically have 3 options:
a) submit to that utter and complete bullshit b) play solo c) move on to the next game
I personally decided quite a while ago for me it will be option C once that point arrives. And no you can't have my stuff I'll be giving it away to some random noob, who will probably never be able to join a corporation because of this since he obviously is a spy because why else would a 2 week old char have billions of ISK :P d) start your own corp
TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
|
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
50
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 20:58:00 -
[61] - Quote
Personally i'd never join a corp demanding a full api, in fact i'd think a looong time about a corp wanting a limited one as well.
|
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
752
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 21:53:00 -
[62] - Quote
Drago Shouna wrote:Personally i'd never join a corp demanding a full api, in fact i'd think a looong time about a corp wanting a limited one as well.
So they should just take your word for it that you can fly the things you say you can, or that you have the SP etc you say you do? Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
356
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 21:59:00 -
[63] - Quote
Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not out to get them Kill it with Fire! |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2513
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 22:09:00 -
[64] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Full API seems a bit much unless they have a specific reason after checking killboards, eveboard, eve-gate, etc. Even then, they really should explain to you what their concerns are.
A partial API is normally enough.
As an observation though, I don't think many Corps really dedicate time to learning proper security.
That is until you teach them better recruitment processes via awoxing. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1195
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 22:09:00 -
[65] - Quote
Drago Shouna wrote:Personally i'd never join a corp demanding a full api, in fact i'd think a looong time about a corp wanting a limited one as well.
Funny, to a cretain extent I would say the EXACT opposite. Not wishing to be the victim of . . . .what is it the cool kids call it? a safari? . . . awoxer or corp hopping blue shooter I would be worried if things wer enot checked with due diligence.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
360
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 22:13:00 -
[66] - Quote
Mike Azariah wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:Personally i'd never join a corp demanding a full api, in fact i'd think a looong time about a corp wanting a limited one as well.
Funny, to a cretain extent I would say the EXACT opposite. Not wishing to be the victim of . . . .what is it the cool kids call it? a safari? . . . awoxer or corp hopping blue shooter I would be worried if things wer enot checked with due diligence. m
For me partial API is fine, We live out in low and generally run in packs. Worse case scenario you get ho dropped. But I fully agree with due diligence. Theres taking a chance and theres taking the ****. Kill it with Fire! |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1365
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 22:20:00 -
[67] - Quote
Mike Azariah wrote:
Funny, to a cretain extent I would say the EXACT opposite. Not wishing to be the victim of . . . .what is it the cool kids call it? a safari? . . . awoxer or corp hopping blue shooter I would be worried if things wer enot checked with due diligence.
m
Eve Kill should give that information normally however. Though directly checking their Kill API helps in case not a single victim has uploaded logs of any of the awox's. But.... That's a justifiable check. Not a 'we want to see everything about every character on the account' |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
362
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 22:24:00 -
[68] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:
Funny, to a cretain extent I would say the EXACT opposite. Not wishing to be the victim of . . . .what is it the cool kids call it? a safari? . . . awoxer or corp hopping blue shooter I would be worried if things wer enot checked with due diligence.
m
Eve Kill should give that information normally however. Though directly checking their Kill API helps in case not a single victim has uploaded logs of any of the awox's. But.... That's a justifiable check. Not a 'we want to see everything about every character on the account'
Evekill for recent history, Profile for Corp History and Eveboard for SP layout would probably do. I think of a partial API kind of like bringing your CV to a job interview Kill it with Fire! |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
311
|
Posted - 2014.06.08 22:57:00 -
[69] - Quote
Full API allows access to your market activities.
Nobody trading should ever give such information away to any corporation.
Unless you don't mind them cherry picking your profits.
If a corporation is too lazy to ask for exactly what they need and able to tell you why keep looking.
In the post custom API age no reason to use anything but custom. |
Dex Lysia
Hollywood Shoes and Bags Chained Reactions
25
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 06:35:00 -
[70] - Quote
Unfortunately it IS currently standard practice, but that is only because the majority of players are weak-willed idiots who just give in to whatever their worshipped overlords say without question. The overlords use it as a test of how controllable their new minions are likely to be so it is standard practice in the large alliances and now also the wannabe highsec alliances (LOL).
|
|
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
271
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 08:14:00 -
[71] - Quote
It's not like you can't delete your API keys once you're cleared, though, only an extremely paranoid corp/alliance would routinely require and check if your full API is still the same especially in if the corp/alliance has a large member count and lot's of recruits.
|
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
313
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 12:23:00 -
[72] - Quote
Baneken wrote:It's not like you can't delete your API keys once you're cleared, though, only an extremely paranoid corp/alliance would routinely require and check if your full API is still the same especially in if the corp/alliance has a large member count and lot's of recruits.
Or they leave your API's plugged into Evemon and it tells them who no longer has active API. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5052
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 12:26:00 -
[73] - Quote
Dex Lysia wrote:Unfortunately it IS currently standard practice, but that is only because the majority of players are weak-willed idiots who just give in to whatever their worshipped overlords say without question. The overlords use it as a test of how controllable their new minions are likely to be so it is standard practice in the large alliances and now also the wannabe highsec alliances (LOL).
Why shouldn't the weak-willed and small-minded be controlled by their betters? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Dominus Tempus
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
146
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 12:29:00 -
[74] - Quote
I can't give my full api for the reasons that corporations ask for it in the first place |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1546
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 12:32:00 -
[75] - Quote
I have yet to see anyone make a strong case in this thread for why Mail needs to be in a full API. As mentioned before, I don't have issues sharing everything else. .. when everything else is gone .. |
KrakizBad
Section 8. Fatal Ascension
1411
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 14:14:00 -
[76] - Quote
Dex Lysia wrote:Unfortunately it IS currently standard practice, but that is only because the majority of players are weak-willed idiots who just give in to whatever their worshipped overlords say without question. The overlords use it as a test of how controllable their new minions are likely to be so it is standard practice in the large alliances and now also the wannabe highsec alliances (LOL).
TL;DR - grrrrr www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
Jinn Aideron
33
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 14:27:00 -
[77] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:... Trust exists under a mutual exchange of "if you hurt me, I/we can hurt you back just as much or more." Lol. This is the kind of 'trust' as it was ubiquitous at the height of the Cold War! It's called Mutual Assured Destruction instead. Ask your marriage counselor about it.
Stealth deletes are bad. |
Othran
Route One
725
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 14:30:00 -
[78] - Quote
I've been in corps/alliances where it was standard practice to demand a full API.
In each & every case I told them when I applied they weren't getting the full API, they could have a limited API which didn't include Evemail or contacts.
I simply said that IME if somebody could read your evemails then at some point they will. There WILL be someone in the corp/alliance sad enough to go do that just because they can.
Its not like you're going to be a spai & evemail from the spai account anyway
Most corps probably will insist on an API which pulls your wallet transactions though - if you're bothered about someone seeing the specifics of how you make isk then make a trade alt.
tl;dr its not that big a deal IME to say you're not getting mail/contacts |
Jinn Aideron
33
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 14:34:00 -
[79] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:I have yet to see anyone make a strong (any?) case in this thread for why Mail needs to be in a full API. As mentioned before, I don't have issues sharing everything else. Because they can ask for it. It's in the API CCP provides, so they ask it. If your payment details were in there, they'd ask that, too. As goes for sexual preferences and shoe size. And that's the whole case 'for' this.
It's for everyone to decide not to participate in this bullshit.
Stealth deletes are bad. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5053
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 14:37:00 -
[80] - Quote
Jinn Aideron wrote:Sibyyl wrote:I have yet to see anyone make a strong (any?) case in this thread for why Mail needs to be in a full API. As mentioned before, I don't have issues sharing everything else. Because they can ask for it. It's in the API CCP provides, so they ask it. If your payment details were in there, they'd ask that, too. As goes for sexual preferences and shoe size. And that's the whole case 'for' this. It's for everyone to decide not to participate in this bullshit.
Exactly
If you dont like it, there's plenty of Corps willing to accept you without it
If your name is McCandless for example, you can join The Clan, we never ask for API. "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
|
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
915
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 14:39:00 -
[81] - Quote
I will cheerfully hand over a squeaky-clean full API to any corp I am planning on victimizing. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
714
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 15:28:00 -
[82] - Quote
If a corp asks for a full API, look for a different corp. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Othran
Route One
725
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 15:33:00 -
[83] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:If a corp asks for a full API, look for a different corp.
Or tell them they're not getting various sections & why. If they want you then they'll agree, if not then no big loss either way. |
Da'iel Zehn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
165
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 18:01:00 -
[84] - Quote
I know of people who have 30+ accounts. APIs are pointless to keep out spies.
Daniel Zehn Keeper of Evil Frosty
PLEX for...-á :-) |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2124
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 18:11:00 -
[85] - Quote
Andski wrote:Requiring an API is the difference between potential spies simply using another character slot and paying for a separate account to spy on you. It may not keep out all spies but it keeps out those who don't wish to put much effort into it.
In that regard an API check is like a lock. It keeps the honest people honest. A true bastard will find a way to ass ream you despite your security checks. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
725
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 18:40:00 -
[86] - Quote
I give my full API out like I'm working a street corner under a pimp. It is really hard to change your signature settings |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5060
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 18:41:00 -
[87] - Quote
Kijo Rikki wrote:I give my full API out like I'm working a street corner under a pimp.
"Hey kid, wanna buy an API? Fresh and clean *wink wink*" "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
920
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 19:15:00 -
[88] - Quote
I would ask for a limited API just to verify the basics and give advice on skills.
You can ask for someone's API but it's not going to list their ten accounts.
The biggest thing to check is killboards. You would be surprised how many pilots keep jumping corps to get free kills. No one bothers to check because they get too excited about recruiting. |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
70
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 21:09:00 -
[89] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote:I give my full API out like I'm working a street corner under a pimp. "Hey kid, wanna buy an API? Fresh and clean *wink wink*"
I'll take 3.
I might come back for more later. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
647
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 21:31:00 -
[90] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Jinn Aideron wrote:Sibyyl wrote:I have yet to see anyone make a strong (any?) case in this thread for why Mail needs to be in a full API. As mentioned before, I don't have issues sharing everything else. Because they can ask for it. It's in the API CCP provides, so they ask it. If your payment details were in there, they'd ask that, too. As goes for sexual preferences and shoe size. And that's the whole case 'for' this. It's for everyone to decide not to participate in this bullshit. Exactly If you dont like it, there's plenty of Corps willing to accept you without it If your name is McCandless for example, you can join The Clan, we never ask for API. Now I know the name of my next awox alt =D
OP, Full api is not necessary for corp background checks, however so many sections should be checked that it's often easier to ask for a full api. If I were running corp security for a corp that I felt needed decent security (read as actually has stuff worth stealing/blowing up) I would ask for the following sections:
Everything in the "Account and Market" section.
Mail Messages (If I found any suspicious in here, I might request mail bodies, or reject the application outright) Mail Lists Contact Notifications Contact List
Contracts CharacterInfo Asset list Character Sheet is useful for evaluating an applicant, but not for security reasons
That's the minimum. The api must be set to reveal all characters on the account, and any one way monetary transactions should be noted. The api background check should be combined with searches on eve-live, eve-search, killboards, and basic background checks on previous corporations/contacts.
Sometimes even with all of this info its not enough. The reality is that recruiting is only the first line of security around a corporation. Even weeding out 80% of potential spies and awoxers makes the corp significantly safer. Internal corp security should be used to try to handle the ones that get in. Policies to demand activity, and force corp members to have a stake in the corp's survival are important as is careful distribution of information. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
|
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10406
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 21:36:00 -
[91] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:If a corp asks for a full API, look for a different corp. If a corp doesn't ask for a full API, they don't have anything worth stealing/destroying and thus probably aren't a very good corp. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
72
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 21:36:00 -
[92] - Quote
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Jinn Aideron wrote:Sibyyl wrote:I have yet to see anyone make a strong (any?) case in this thread for why Mail needs to be in a full API. As mentioned before, I don't have issues sharing everything else. Because they can ask for it. It's in the API CCP provides, so they ask it. If your payment details were in there, they'd ask that, too. As goes for sexual preferences and shoe size. And that's the whole case 'for' this. It's for everyone to decide not to participate in this bullshit. Exactly If you dont like it, there's plenty of Corps willing to accept you without it If your name is McCandless for example, you can join The Clan, we never ask for API. Now I know the name of my next awox alt =D OP, Full api is not necessary for corp background checks, however so many sections should be checked that it's often easier to ask for a full api. If I were running corp security for a corp that I felt needed decent security (read as actually has stuff worth stealing/blowing up) I would ask for the following sections: Everything in the "Account and Market" section. Mail Messages (If I found any suspicious in here, I might request mail bodies, or reject the application outright) Mail Lists Contact Notifications Contact List Contracts CharacterInfo Asset list Character Sheet is useful for evaluating an applicant, but not for security reasons That's the minimum. The api must be set to reveal all characters on the account, and any one way monetary transactions should be noted. The api background check should be combined with searches on eve-live, eve-search, killboards, and basic background checks on previous corporations/contacts. Sometimes even with all of this info its not enough. The reality is that recruiting is only the first line of security around a corporation. Even weeding out 80% of potential spies and awoxers makes the corp significantly safer. Internal corp security should be used to try to handle the ones that get in. Policies to demand activity, and force corp members to have a stake in the corp's survival are important as is careful distribution of information.
This is really sound advice. I am glad dumb CEOs and Recruitment officers don't read the forums. It would make my job that much harder. |
Alphea Abbra
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
769
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 21:44:00 -
[93] - Quote
Othran wrote:I simply said that IME if somebody could read your evemails then at some point they will. There WILL be someone in the corp/alliance sad enough to go do that just because they can. Its not like you're going to be a spai & evemail from the spai account anyway tl;dr its not that big a deal IME to say you're not getting mail/contacts I just checked what kind of mails I have, right now: 2 mails from former CSM Trebor during his mail-campaign in 2012, 1 with the questionnaire to join the corp that merged into my current one, 1 mail about a station undock status during an OP, 1 about helping a coalitionmate with some website, 2 from a corp mate about some ships and mods he moved for me, 1 from CCP Games about the 2013 CSM campaign, 1 mail regarding corp courier service, 2 from alliance mates about hangar-sales, 1 as an answer after I checked some moons (And POSes), 3 about my avatar looking good and goth, and 1 from Solecist about liking a post. I have one thing to say to whoever wants to read through these mails: You brought that on yourself, GLHF. Now, I also have a ton of alliance and corp mails. If they (You know who I am talking about! The evildoers, those bastards) want to look up corp or alliance mails from I joined till now, I think they are wasting their time. Now, I did delete all the corp and alliance mails from corps I left. First, because I fail to see why they'd want months old poor intel they could also get via eveskunk, and secondly because I intend to do the same favour if I leave this one. I think, deep down, on the balance, they'd rather want that than they want the impeccable insight into IRC's alliance mails during my time there. I can't remember if it was a full API then, or if that came later.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Here's one thing I've wondered about this. I gave my corp full API (and alliance some API details too, don't remember exactly what though). So at the very least my corp can read my mail.
I have two messages from GMs in my mailbox. It's against the EULA to share GM correspondence. So if someone pulls a GM mail from my API (and I know you can since I can see them in EVEMon) and posts it somewhere, does this mean that I've violated the EULA? Even if it doesn't, is some trigger happy GM going to assume that it was me who shared it, and bring the hammer down anyway?
I think I'll file a support ticket.
I could just delete the message but any rule that says I'm obligated by EULA to delete private correspondence is a rule that needs revision. Reverse rule lawyer? Awesome, I like that. Make sure to get them to mail the response to you though.
That'll show them! |
Paul Panala
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
181
|
Posted - 2014.06.09 21:44:00 -
[94] - Quote
Yes, it is common. I find access to eve mail to be a bit invasive. I normally give them everything but that and they don't typically complain. If I had eve mail I wanted to hide, I would just delete it.
IMO about the only thing they can get from an API is what you typically do in-game and if they have any alts you exchange ISK with. And the fact that you are willing to provide an API key says a little... |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
315
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 02:18:00 -
[95] - Quote
Othran wrote:I've been in corps/alliances where it was standard practice to demand a full API.
Most corps probably will insist on an API which pulls your wallet transactions though - if you're bothered about someone seeing the specifics of how you make isk then make a trade alt.
This only works for high sec and small time traders.
Rorqual/Jump Freighter/Max trade skills are just a few reasons trade alts are not always the way to go.
Although anyone who uses all those has 2 alts on the same account to use as trade alts. (( War time hauler / cynos )) It won't help much since anyone asking for an API with half a brain will ask for full account not just pilot. (( This goes for custom API's as well ))
In short your idea doesn't always work. |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
77
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 02:28:00 -
[96] - Quote
Ireland VonVicious wrote:Othran wrote:I've been in corps/alliances where it was standard practice to demand a full API.
Most corps probably will insist on an API which pulls your wallet transactions though - if you're bothered about someone seeing the specifics of how you make isk then make a trade alt. This only works for high sec and small time traders. Rorqual/Jump Freighter/Max trade skills are just a few reasons trade alts are not always the way to go. Although anyone who uses all those has 2 alts on the same account to use as trade alts. (( War time hauler / cynos )) It won't help much since anyone asking for an API with half a brain will ask for full account not just pilot. (( This goes for custom API's as well )) In short your idea doesn't always work.
You would be amazed how many people don't know the difference between All character api and just a single character api, or how to tell which one you gave them. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Advanced Amateurs
1305
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 15:13:00 -
[97] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:If a corp asks for a full API, look for a different corp. If a corp doesn't ask for a full API, they don't have anything worth stealing/destroying and thus probably aren't a very good corp. You normally aren't this blunt, James.
You do realize you can define hanger access using Roles and Titles right? Then you might also realize you can fully control who has access to what hanger, making it possible to recruit new people without them having access to sensitive corporate hangers.
Since assets can be remotely moved from one office hanger to another, proper access settings are more usefull to prevent actual theft then an API key, as they can be used to 100% guarantee a person doesn't get access to expensive assets. I'd be more concerned with awoxing then theft. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
665
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 19:34:00 -
[98] - Quote
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:If a corp asks for a full API, look for a different corp. If a corp doesn't ask for a full API, they don't have anything worth stealing/destroying and thus probably aren't a very good corp. You normally aren't this blunt, James. You do realize you can define hanger access using Roles and Titles right? Then you might also realize you can fully control who has access to what hanger, making it possible to recruit new people without them having access to sensitive corporate hangers. Since assets can be remotely moved from one office hanger to another, proper access settings are more usefull to prevent actual theft then an API key, as they can be used to 100% guarantee a person doesn't get access to expensive assets. I'd be more concerned with awoxing then theft. I was astounded to learn that a corp that I joined awhile back flew bhaalgorns and capitals, and never asked for an api. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5154
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 19:47:00 -
[99] - Quote
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:
If your name is McCandless for example, you can join The Clan, we never ask for API.
Now I know the name of my next awox alt =D
You will be in good company
We are all AWOX alts
Well, apart from me
Im an AWOX main "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources
297
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 19:55:00 -
[100] - Quote
Conrad Lionhart wrote:Sher Rayet wrote:If you give away full API they read your mails and transactions etc. Go ahead... But is it standard practice? Would you do it if you wanted to join a new corp?
Yes, and I do. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
|
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2532
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 21:12:00 -
[101] - Quote
And people wonder why its so easy for us to get spies into their craptastic corps..... Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
|
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
749
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 21:14:00 -
[102] - Quote
No less than 12, right? It is really hard to change your signature settings |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2532
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 21:23:00 -
[103] - Quote
Kijo Rikki wrote:No less than 12, right? If you saw our budget you'd know how accurate that number is.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
|
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
751
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 21:46:00 -
[104] - Quote
Probably not unless you told me how much spies are worth. I do often wonder what your budget looks like. It is really hard to change your signature settings |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2532
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 22:20:00 -
[105] - Quote
Kijo Rikki wrote:Probably not unless you told me how much spies are worth. I do often wonder what your budget looks like.
Wartime about 50-60bn a month
Peacetime (now) about 30-35b a month.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
|
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10424
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 23:07:00 -
[106] - Quote
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:If a corp asks for a full API, look for a different corp. If a corp doesn't ask for a full API, they don't have anything worth stealing/destroying and thus probably aren't a very good corp. You normally aren't this blunt, James. You do realize you can define hanger access using Roles and Titles right? Then you might also realize you can fully control who has access to what hanger, making it possible to recruit new people without them having access to sensitive corporate hangers. Since assets can be remotely moved from one office hanger to another, proper access settings are more usefull to prevent actual theft then an API key, as they can be used to 100% guarantee a person doesn't get access to expensive assets. I'd be more concerned with awoxing then theft. If they're not security conscious enough to ask for API, they're probably not security conscious enough to segregate assets intelligently either. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
222
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 23:20:00 -
[107] - Quote
Why would you want to join a corp that didn't require a full (or close to full) API?
Why would you join a corp that doesn't take even basic security measures? You are putting your trust and assets in the hands of your corp, don't you want to put as many barriers as possible up to keep undesirable types out. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1369
|
Posted - 2014.06.10 23:45:00 -
[108] - Quote
Plug in Baby wrote:Why would you want to join a corp that didn't require a full (or close to full) API?
Why would you join a corp that doesn't take even basic security measures? You are putting your trust and assets in the hands of your corp, don't you want to put as many barriers as possible up to keep undesirable types out. Because a full API is not a basic security measure. It's a regurgitated meme that a full API is a security measure. While the reality is it's nothing of the sort. Certain API checks are security measures. But won't stop a clean account paid for anyway.
Most people asking for Full API's have no idea what they are actually looking for and just do it because someone told them you need to ask for full API's for corp recruitment.
Someone asking for a very precisely targeted partial is much more likely to have a 'secure' corp as they actually know what they are looking at and will be effective with their checks. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
69
|
Posted - 2014.06.11 17:29:00 -
[109] - Quote
Adira Nictor wrote:Giving your Full API is only a bad idea when you have something to hide. Thankfully it doesn't matter most of the time because the recruiters don't know what they are looking for, or even how to access the info.
Haha, had to snigger at that so hard, you must be a US cititzen (best guess). No terrorist act or revolution will ever cost you as much real liberty and freedom as this basic statement of yours. Its the foundation for every corrupt exploit to subjucate and control the populus. Security is always bought with liberty, the illusion of security is even more expensive.
Any corp wanting to look at more then my skillpoints can do without me, everything else they need to know is already available ingame or through 3rd party aps.
Full API, never. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5204
|
Posted - 2014.06.11 17:32:00 -
[110] - Quote
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Adira Nictor wrote:Giving your Full API is only a bad idea when you have something to hide. Thankfully it doesn't matter most of the time because the recruiters don't know what they are looking for, or even how to access the info. Haha, had to snigger at that so hard, you must be a US cititzen (best guess). No terrorist act or revolution will ever cost you as much real liberty and freedom as this basic statement of yours. Its the foundation for every corrupt exploit to subjucate and control the populus. Security is always bought with liberty, the illusion of security is even more expensive. Any corp wanting to look at more then my skillpoints can do without me, everything else they need to know is already available ingame or through 3rd party aps. Full API, never.
Freedom (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean) sure buys a lot of bread and stops crime
Oh wait.
That's security
I always get those mixed up "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
|
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
247
|
Posted - 2014.06.11 17:38:00 -
[111] - Quote
My corp requires complete trust, one of the requirements of initiation is to lay in a coffin in the nude, and tell your most intimate secrets, unfortunately for corporation my life is rather uninteresting, so to be convincing I had to make things up that would be considered damaging to my character if my society were to disclose my actions to the public. They also take pictures of your naked body as collateral in the event one would betray said corporation.
You must understand, joining a corp is not about entitlement.
***** ass niggas cant understand keep frontin when we pull the gauge on ya u be duckin 4 real
https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5205
|
Posted - 2014.06.11 17:40:00 -
[112] - Quote
Knights Armament wrote:..............
Your NPC corp?
Oh and reported, btw "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
Kesshisan
108
|
Posted - 2014.06.11 18:10:00 -
[113] - Quote
Ireland VonVicious wrote:Full API allows access to your market activities.
Nobody trading should ever give such information away to any corporation.
Unless you don't mind them cherry picking your profits.
If a corporation is too lazy to ask for exactly what they need and able to tell you why keep looking.
In the post custom API age no reason to use anything but custom.
It took 69 posts to get to this point. Thank you Ireland VonVicious.
I have one account with two characters on it. When I first started playing EvE, I paused my main (This guy) for about 2 weeks to train up a station trading alt. He lives in Jita and flips goods for profit.
Also this guy (who has actual spaceship skills) finds regions missing key modules and ships that capsulers use and hauls the goods out there. He then "fills that hole." If I'm the only one filling that hole then there is profit to be made. If there are two or three of us, the individual profit decreases drastically.
Not giving my full API isn't about not letting you read the smutty evemail I have. It isn't about not letting you know who my alts are. It isn't about hiding modules on my ships. It's about hiding my profits. If I gave anyone my full API, they could easily usurp my profits. This is an unacceptable risk to me. I used to think that any strategy which required your victim to be stupid to work wasn't sound.
...then I started playing EvE online. |
Eyrun Mangeiri
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
12
|
Posted - 2014.06.11 18:12:00 -
[114] - Quote
Plug in Baby wrote:Why would you want to join a corp that didn't require a full (or close to full) API?
Why would you join a corp that doesn't take even basic security measures? You are putting your trust and assets in the hands of your corp, don't you want to put as many barriers as possible up to keep undesirable types out.
Brave Newbies Inc. does not require anything except from application ingame and everyone seems to have a great time here. I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song. |
Otin Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
8
|
Posted - 2014.06.11 18:51:00 -
[115] - Quote
Graygor wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Full API seems a bit much unless they have a specific reason after checking killboards, eveboard, eve-gate, etc.
A partial API is normally enough.
As an observation though, I don't think many Corps really dedicate time to learning proper security.[ This. A guide to eve recruiting for new players.
Fricken hysterical |
Qaping Pi
Solvent Green Recycling
1
|
Posted - 2014.06.11 19:00:00 -
[116] - Quote
Are these corporations usually willing to share the full, non-expiring API's of their members' accounts, including their recruiters, directors and CEO's, upon submitting your own? You know, for the same reason they want to have yours? |
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
432
|
Posted - 2014.06.11 19:07:00 -
[117] - Quote
We require a real life resume, 24/7 remote desktop control of your computer and we have a monitor reside with you in your home ready to cut your internet connection at the first sign of trouble. We're working on implanting remotely detonated sub-cutaneous explosives in our members, but we just don't have the funds for that yet.
No good deed goes unpunished |
|
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1543
|
Posted - 2014.06.11 20:35:00 -
[118] - Quote
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.
Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
|
Solai
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
258
|
Posted - 2014.06.11 21:18:00 -
[119] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Plug in Baby wrote:Why would you want to join a corp that didn't require a full (or close to full) API?
Why would you join a corp that doesn't take even basic security measures? You are putting your trust and assets in the hands of your corp, don't you want to put as many barriers as possible up to keep undesirable types out. Because a full API is not a basic security measure. It's a regurgitated meme that a full API is a security measure. While the reality is it's nothing of the sort. Certain API checks are security measures. But won't stop a clean account paid for anyway. Most people asking for Full API's have no idea what they are actually looking for and just do it because someone told them you need to ask for full API's for corp recruitment. Someone asking for a very precisely targeted partial is much more likely to have a 'secure' corp as they actually know what they are looking at and will be effective with their checks. When you say 'precisely targeted partial,' would you be so kind as to tell us which elements you propose to exclude?
Jolly Codgers corp - Bloodthirsty old men of Null-Sec. -á PVP and organizational excellence through maturity, for pilots age 30+. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1257
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 00:33:00 -
[120] - Quote
I only give my full API to corp's worth joining.
And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp). This is-á a signature. |
|
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2203
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 00:36:00 -
[121] - Quote
Xuixien wrote:I only give my full API to corp's worth joining.
And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp). Awoxer. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
- Cowards deserve punishment -
|
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
534
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 00:42:00 -
[122] - Quote
Xuixien wrote:I only give my full API to corp's worth joining.
And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp).
Your employment history just called you a liar. To your FACE. Now what? Are you gonna get down with the sickness or get jiggy with it?
|
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1258
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 00:44:00 -
[123] - Quote
Val'Dore wrote:Xuixien wrote:I only give my full API to corp's worth joining.
And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp). Your employment history just called you a liar. To your FACE. Now what? Are you gonna get down with the sickness or get jiggy with it?
And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp).
This is-á a signature. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2203
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 00:45:00 -
[124] - Quote
Xuixien wrote:Val'Dore wrote:Xuixien wrote:I only give my full API to corp's worth joining.
And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp). Your employment history just called you a liar. To your FACE. Now what? Are you gonna get down with the sickness or get jiggy with it? And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp). Still an awoxer. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
- Cowards deserve punishment -
|
Subject 4927
The Last Service.
85
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 01:57:00 -
[125] - Quote
I have had a very hard time finding my perfect corp, thus I forever join corps to see if they're the one.
:sademoji: http://subjectandfriends.wordpress.com |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2214
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 02:07:00 -
[126] - Quote
Subject 4927 wrote:I have had a very hard time finding my perfect corp, thus I forever join corps to see if they're the one.
:sademoji: Tbh, threads like these are rather rare around here and you deserve your share too. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
- Cowards deserve punishment -
|
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5754
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 04:19:00 -
[127] - Quote
Frankly, the most valuable information that asking for a full API gives a recruiter is Just how badly does that prospect want to join... and is he willing to do something for the good of all the other players in the organization when it might not necessarily be convenient for him.
There are a lot of folks out there that only want to join a corp to give themselves an advantage, and could care less about actually working with others towards commonly held goals. These are the types of players that won't risk a ship to aid their corp mates, won't spend a modicum of time doing something tedious but necessary if it doesn't benefit themselves immediately, and have little (if any) desire or capacity to work as part of a team.
They are the type of player that immediately asks "why should I put my personal assets on the line for you" whilst completely ignoring the fact that if it weren't for the combined efforts of the corp members they wouldn't have access to the means to build up those assets in the first place.
You know where to find this type of player. Where ever an important battle to hang onto your territory is taking place, he'll be next door studiously ignoring calls to arms while he farms anoms.
A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides.
If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
Ranger 1 Presents https://www.youtube.com/user/Ranger1Presents |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1576
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 04:39:00 -
[128] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides. So all decisions in EVE should be based on the tendencies of players who won't screw you over? Well, if Ranger 1 doesn't sift through my email without having a good reason, then no one else will.
Good advice, thanks.
I'd be happy to lose the ability to read email in third party applications if it removed email as an API checkbox that is blindly ticked in a "full API" request that is so in vogue now. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1265
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 13:04:00 -
[129] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Frankly, the most valuable information that asking for a full API gives a recruiter is Just how badly does that prospect want to join... and is he willing to do something for the good of all the other players in the organization when it might not necessarily be convenient for him.
There are a lot of folks out there that only want to join a corp to give themselves an advantage, and could care less about actually working with others towards commonly held goals. These are the types of players that won't risk a ship to aid their corp mates, won't spend a modicum of time doing something tedious but necessary if it doesn't benefit themselves immediately, and have little (if any) desire or capacity to work as part of a team.
They are the type of player that immediately asks "why should I put my personal assets on the line for you" whilst completely ignoring the fact that if it weren't for the combined efforts of the corp members they wouldn't have access to the means to build up those assets in the first place.
You know where to find this type of player. Where ever an important battle to hang onto your territory is taking place, he'll be next door studiously ignoring calls to arms while he farms anoms.
A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides.
TIL People who don't give access to their private information are selfish anom farmers who ignore CTAs. This is-á a signature. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2236
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 13:45:00 -
[130] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Frankly, the most valuable information that asking for a full API gives a recruiter is Just how badly does that prospect want to join... and is he willing to do something for the good of all the other players in the organization when it might not necessarily be convenient for him.
There are a lot of folks out there that only want to join a corp to give themselves an advantage, and could care less about actually working with others towards commonly held goals. These are the types of players that won't risk a ship to aid their corp mates, won't spend a modicum of time doing something tedious but necessary if it doesn't benefit themselves immediately, and have little (if any) desire or capacity to work as part of a team.
They are the type of player that immediately asks "why should I put my personal assets on the line for you" whilst completely ignoring the fact that if it weren't for the combined efforts of the corp members they wouldn't have access to the means to build up those assets in the first place.
You know where to find this type of player. Where ever an important battle to hang onto your territory is taking place, he'll be next door studiously ignoring calls to arms while he farms anoms.
A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides.
So much this.
So many people just care about themselves or about how to make their tiny thingies look bigger.
I'm in contact with one that fits here perfectly, but on our side. Has crappy carebear corpmates and doesn't realize that, whatever he tries, they will never be loyal friends. All they want to do is mine afk and hide if a wardec comes.
And there are SO MANY of these .... people ... it's disgusting! The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
- Cowards deserve punishment -
|
|
Spectral Tiger
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.06.12 13:51:00 -
[131] - Quote
Don't give them a full API, they don't really need it anyway, they're just being nosey.
All you need is a trust worthy face. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5763
|
Posted - 2014.06.13 07:21:00 -
[132] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides. So all decisions in EVE should be based on the tendencies of players who won't screw you over? Well, if Ranger 1 doesn't sift through my email without having a good reason, then no one else will. Good advice, thanks. I'd be happy to lose the ability to read email in third party applications if it removed email as an API checkbox that is blindly ticked in a "full API" request that is so in vogue now. Your email gets sifted through all the time anyway, and I'm not just talking about email in game.
You do realize that right? If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
Ranger 1 Presents https://www.youtube.com/user/Ranger1Presents |
Amenity Project
Hedion University Amarr Empire
80
|
Posted - 2014.06.13 10:46:00 -
[133] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides. So all decisions in EVE should be based on the tendencies of players who won't screw you over? Well, if Ranger 1 doesn't sift through my email without having a good reason, then no one else will. Good advice, thanks. I'd be happy to lose the ability to read email in third party applications if it removed email as an API checkbox that is blindly ticked in a "full API" request that is so in vogue now. Your email gets sifted through all the time anyway, and I'm not just talking about email in game. You do realize that right? Which has nothing to do with it and is completely misplaced. Having random people read private mails can be worse than the gov reading it, because unlike the gov, people will misuse this if possible.
The gov just gathers the data and adds it to a profile, but the people will use it to harm you when possible. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2534
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 00:33:00 -
[134] - Quote
So theres a lot of people telling you that the API isn't that great of a security measure and that you shouldn't give it out 'unless the directors are willing to give you theirs" or some other inane nonsense.
This is of course your choice but any player corp with any form of assets that they allow the member to use (all the ones that work for the member instead of having the member work for them) will ask for a full API.
Spies happen in EVE, and while the API isn't ironclad protection its but one of many layers that add up to create protection against unwanted people. Who do you have watchlisted, that can be a giveaway that often times people forget.
Who do you trade with? Any person checking an api doesn't give a damn about what you trade, the care about who you trade it with, how frequently, and what your relationship with that person is. Who do you get EVE mails from. You might think it doesn't matter but we've literally caught a guy who tried to sell high value pos locations via EVE Mail from the alliance he was in. Thats shady and that person was just as likely to do that to PL on the way out the door (though tbh i'll sell you our pos locations too). What do you have in the way of assets. Your word is great and all but knowing without a doubt that you'll be able to afford living the life my alliance requires is something that my recruitment team decides, based on facts provided by the API, not based on your word. Shocking News Update: People lie in EVE. What alts do you have on your accounts, and who do they do the above mentioned with. Can i get a global picture of all your alts that shows me you're doing a lot of hand to hand trades with another alt thats either a close friend of yours or an undisclosed alt? Where are your alts located around EVE and why? What skills do you have, what are you training? Whats your combat record look like, do you have an awoxer buried on some account you feed money to in a stupid way that i might find by combing your data? Is your account even active? If its not why would we keep you employed.
Or even, is your account and your alt the same age, which generally denotes that you bought your alt, if you didn't disclose that, why?
I want to know all these things because the average Snigg member has access to literally billions of isk in assets at any given time with little more than a word to get hold of some, and nothing at all to get hold of others. You can bet your ass that I will employ every single method at my disposal to weed out the unwanted elements from our corp.
Anybody telling you that a Full Access API can't help with that is a liar and an idiot.
Eve is full of liars and thieves, corps have a rig Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
|
Chuk Ormand
El Diablo De Verde Mech Alliance
4
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 02:42:00 -
[135] - Quote
Because of this post i deleted any API keys i had. I play this game to get AWAY from real life bs. In rl big brother is watching any move i make. I would rather make my own way solo than join a corp that requires a full API. -chuk |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2535
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 02:50:00 -
[136] - Quote
Chuk Ormand wrote:I play this game to get AWAY from real life bs.
So you joined a game based around some of the darkest parts of humanity to get away from that in real life....
Sounds like you're good at making choices.
Also I'm making notes of all the people in corps here that are refusing to give out full API's to see exactly how many of you we can rob.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
|
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
926
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 02:50:00 -
[137] - Quote
Chuk Ormand wrote:Because of this post i deleted any API keys i had. I play this game to get AWAY from real life bs. In rl big brother is watching any move i make. I would rather make my own way solo than join a corp that requires a full API. -chuk The problem is RL people play Eve so they do the same dumb stuff.
The best way to play Eve is with RL friends. No API needed because I know where you live |
Spectral Tiger
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 11:37:00 -
[138] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Chuk Ormand wrote:I play this game to get AWAY from real life bs. So you joined a game based around some of the darkest parts of humanity to get away from that in real life.... Sounds like you're good at making choices. Also I'm making notes of all the people in corps here that are refusing to give out full API's to see exactly how many of you we can rob.
If a corp requires a full API then it's not a corp for me.
Don't like corps that take themselves too seriously, if you want to run a corp like a business in the real world, your efforts would be better spent in the real world and not wasted on a game. Most people play for leisure not to be king of the empire with loads of minions running around beneath them doing their bidding.
Noticed you said earlier you like to know what they're training, is this so you can get them to train what you want them to train? Actually with what you listed earlier I'm surprised you don't ask them what they had for breakfast. Or do you? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5335
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 11:48:00 -
[139] - Quote
Spectral Tiger wrote:Most people play for leisure not to be king of the empire with loads of minions running around beneath them doing their bidding.
This must be why Populous, Black And White, Sim City, WarCraft, StarCraft, Dune II, Command And Conquer, Civilisation, Star Control, Alpha Centauri, Diplomacy and Dungeon Keeper were really unpopular games no one has heard of. "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
Spectral Tiger
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 11:55:00 -
[140] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Spectral Tiger wrote:Most people play for leisure not to be king of the empire with loads of minions running around beneath them doing their bidding. This must be why Populous, Black And White, Sim City, WarCraft, StarCraft, Dune II, Command And Conquer, Civilisation, Star Control, Alpha Centauri, Diplomacy and Dungeon Keeper were really unpopular games no one has heard of.
I played 6 of those you listed, all of those 6 are single player games. Actually Populous was one of my favourites. But that 's completely different when you replace your troops with real people.
|
|
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5335
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 12:03:00 -
[141] - Quote
Spectral Tiger wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Spectral Tiger wrote:Most people play for leisure not to be king of the empire with loads of minions running around beneath them doing their bidding. This must be why Populous, Black And White, Sim City, WarCraft, StarCraft, Dune II, Command And Conquer, Civilisation, Star Control, Alpha Centauri, Diplomacy and Dungeon Keeper were really unpopular games no one has heard of. I played 6 of those you listed, all of those 6 are single player games. Actually Populous was one of my favourites. But that 's completely different when you replace your troops with real people.
One of them is single player. Oh wait, Populous II had RS232 support. So none of them are single player.
But you are right, it is different.
Its so much better when its real people
**** gets done properly
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1813
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 12:11:00 -
[142] - Quote
A really good corp infiltrator will have no problem giving you an API. It'll be perfectly clean. A bad corp infiltrator won't want to give an API, or will have dirt in it that's real obvious to check.
For every one good infiltrator, there's 100 bad ones. Asking for an API, and checking it correctly, will keep those 100 guys out, so you only have to deal with the chaos that one guy causes.
Also, art imitates life. It's not the random outsider that corps both RL and in-game defend against, it's the disgruntled insider who has access to valuable things. I'd say, the up-front API check is not as important as the API check you do 14, 30, 90, and 180 days down the line. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. |
Spectral Tiger
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 12:32:00 -
[143] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:A really good corp infiltrator will have no problem giving you an API. It'll be perfectly clean. A bad corp infiltrator won't want to give an API, or will have dirt in it that's real obvious to check.
For every one good infiltrator, there's 100 bad ones. Asking for an API, and checking it correctly, will keep those 100 guys out, so you only have to deal with the chaos that one guy causes.
Also, art imitates life. It's not the random outsider that corps both RL and in-game defend against, it's the disgruntled insider who has access to valuable things. I'd say, the up-front API check is not as important as the API check you do 14, 30, 90, and 180 days down the line.
Bottom line is corps are paranoid and don't trust their corp. mates. Sounds like a great place to want to be. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5335
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 12:34:00 -
[144] - Quote
Spectral Tiger wrote: Bottom line is corps are paranoid and don't trust their corp. mates. Sounds like a great place to want to be.
Bottom lie is if you arent paranoid you will get ripped off
How have you stayed alive this long without realising this? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Retribution.
190
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 13:03:00 -
[145] - Quote
Sometimes they ask, and I used to, to check if you have been transacting with known dodgy people! However you should only need to worry about that if you are in a well know alliance or Corp. But a lot do it just cos. Don't give it if they are just random.
Funny thing is the large nullsec alliances have more spies than |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1272
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 17:19:00 -
[146] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:So theres a lot of people telling you that the API isn't that great of a security measure and that you shouldn't give it out 'unless the directors are willing to give you theirs" or some other inane nonsense.
Actually, people who say that are making a fair point in this day and age of EVE Online's recruitment scams, reverse safaris, etcetc. How do you know the person "recruiting" you is even a recruitment officer? And if they are, how do you know they're not friends ("blues") with one of your enemies, making them a security risk to you?
Grath Telkin wrote:Spies happen in EVE, and while the API isn't ironclad protection its but one of many layers that add up to create protection against unwanted people.
API keys only catch bad spies who wouldn't have managed any damage anyway. Full API keys do not catch good spies, as evidenced by... Revenant kills.... ;)
There is no reason for a full API. You don't need to know what I build and research. You don't need to know my Faction Warfare stats. You don't even need to know who my contacts are (here's a tidbit for you dude - I don't have blues in my contact lists. I have a notepad document for that. All you'll find is neutrals and reds.)
You don't need to know what I buy and sell on the market either.
A focused API key is all you need. And again - any good spy who is capable of real damage is going to have a clean API.
There's no sound argument in favor of full API keys. But it makes you feel safe. lol@feelings. This is-á a signature. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2291
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 17:49:00 -
[147] - Quote
Xuixien wrote:100% valid. To support her words in a practical sense ...
You recruit. You ask for full API keys.
I awox. I create a new clone.
You can easily have my full API key and it doesn't matter.
Depending on my corp"mates", a few days of skilling can be enough already. All else, fitting a gnosis properly and getting logi support is really easy and fast to skill for.
The gnosis is a popular awoxing ship, because it doesn't need a lot of skills for great performance.
With 6 midslots, you boost the resistances and simply have a clone give logi support. There's no flag for repping people who have in-corp fights.
What you're doing is pretty much on the level of a noob who learns something new ... ... tries to do it right, but ... ... doesn't actually understand the reason why he does it in the first place.
No API check out there can stop me from being nice and friendly to you.
And you will like it! The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
- Cowards deserve punishment -
|
Amenity Project
Hedion University Amarr Empire
85
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 18:13:00 -
[148] - Quote
Trivia.
One doesn't need the API key to know somebody elses contacts.
All it needs is him to set you to Excellent standing.
What am I talking about? (: |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
375
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 18:15:00 -
[149] - Quote
Amenity Project wrote:Trivia.
One doesn't need the API key to know somebody elses contacts.
All it needs is him to set you to Excellent standing.
What am I talking about? (: Unless that person updates his evegate settings. Bokononist
-á |
Amenity Project
Hedion University Amarr Empire
85
|
Posted - 2014.06.14 19:07:00 -
[150] - Quote
Zaxix wrote:Amenity Project wrote:Trivia.
One doesn't need the API key to know somebody elses contacts.
All it needs is him to set you to Excellent standing.
What am I talking about? (: Unless that person updates his evegate settings. Unless that person never finds out about his evegate settings. :D |
|
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2535
|
Posted - 2014.06.15 00:49:00 -
[151] - Quote
Xuixien wrote: Actually, people who say that are making a fair point in this day and age of EVE Online's recruitment scams, reverse safaris, etcetc. How do you know the person "recruiting" you is even a recruitment officer? And if they are, how do you know they're not friends ("blues") with one of your enemies, making them a security risk to you?
You know because you aren't a foam couch cushion eating moron and researched a bit about the corp you're intending to join, which granted you that magical knowledge?
Xuixien wrote: You don't even need to know who my contacts are (here's a tidbit for you dude - I don't have blues in my contact lists. I have a notepad document for that. All you'll find is neutrals and reds.)
How do i know, am I supposed to take your word on it, I'm going to put a single hangar at your disposal that will at times contain 20ish billion in fuel that the collective 500 members of my corp pull from.
I think theres an easier way than taking your 'word' about your watchlist, and no amount of :words: you put in print relieve you of the responsibility of proving you're trust worthy before I take you in.
Solecist Project wrote: You recruit. You ask for full API keys.
I awox. I create a new clone.
You can easily have my full API key and it doesn't matter.
Your account will show older than the alt you put on it, which is a red flag.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
|
Spectral Tiger
0
|
Posted - 2014.06.15 00:57:00 -
[152] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Your account will show older than the alt you put on it, which is a red flag.
Not if it's a new account.
If someone is going to the trouble to infiltrate your corp. they will have a lot of patience. They may already be using several accounts for this purpose. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1635
|
Posted - 2014.06.15 06:06:00 -
[153] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Sibyyl wrote:I'd be happy to lose the ability to read email in third party applications if it removed email as an API checkbox that is blindly ticked in a "full API" request that is so in vogue now. Your email gets sifted through all the time anyway, and I'm not just talking about email in game. You do realize that right? So by your logic, since the NSA is sifting through all my emails anyway I should give you the password to my Gmail account?
I get the need for intelligence on applicants, but I fail to see what kind of intelligence email is getting a recruiter.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2536
|
Posted - 2014.06.15 17:31:00 -
[154] - Quote
Spectral Tiger wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Your account will show older than the alt you put on it, which is a red flag.
Not if it's a new account. If someone is going to the trouble to infiltrate your corp. they will have a lot of patience. They may already be using several accounts for this purpose.
Tell me more about spies and what they might do to infiltrate a corp.
Very few corps that ask for a full API would outright take a brand new account because that is also a warning sign. There are places that new accounts go to fly in player ran corps, and then there are all the other established corps that they dont reply to because of standing skill point requirements, so no, what you're suggesting doesn't actually work.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
|
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1646
|
Posted - 2014.06.15 17:40:00 -
[155] - Quote
^^ Grath, so account age can be extracted from API then? Didn't see a checkbox in the API creation page. .. when everything else is gone .. |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
255
|
Posted - 2014.06.15 18:00:00 -
[156] - Quote
/account/AccountStatus.xml.aspx Baddest poster ever |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
1293
|
Posted - 2014.06.15 18:59:00 -
[157] - Quote
Only one corp has never asked for my full API.
I think the problem with APIs is not so much they are useles for catching spies, but they get too many false positives. I mean they guy who I watch listed because he had probes out while I was in a plex and might be camping my outgate is now grand boobah of some alliance or other, so now I risk being kicked out notice.
Of course if I were a spy, that would be exactly the sort of story I would spin. |
Erika Mizune
The Soul Society Brothers of Tangra
13
|
Posted - 2014.06.15 19:12:00 -
[158] - Quote
I am fine with partial character API's - but I'm not ok with full account API's. I understand larger corps need for them since they use it to check and weed out potential spy's - but I think it's a little bit "too" much. You can get a lot of information with a single character limited API just as well, the full API is just overkill.
I had a corp request a full API on me and when I didn't give them my full account API in they kicked me out after I explained my reasons for not wanting to disclose one of my characters on my account's information.
As for it being a standard: It seems to be for larger corps/alliances, but personally I would stay away from it since it is a little bit too much. DJ Yumene of Eve Radio Like Music? Check this out!: Parody Listing: http://yumene.subspace-radio.net/listing Also check out [url]http://www.eve-radio.com/[/url]! |
eFart
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2014.06.15 19:59:00 -
[159] - Quote
most corps want full api because they think being demanding makes them leet some might be leet most not tho my account belongs too myself anyways u might give full to huge alliance but partial is ok for most corps |
Spectral Tiger
3
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 00:27:00 -
[160] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Spectral Tiger wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Your account will show older than the alt you put on it, which is a red flag.
Not if it's a new account. If someone is going to the trouble to infiltrate your corp. they will have a lot of patience. They may already be using several accounts for this purpose. Tell me more about spies and what they might do to infiltrate a corp. Very few corps that ask for a full API would outright take a brand new account because that is also a warning sign. There are places that new accounts go to fly in player ran corps, and then there are all the other established corps that they dont reply to because of standing skill point requirements, so no, what you're suggesting doesn't actually work.
Yes, I know most corps have a SP limit anyway.
What I would do if I was looking to infiltrate a corp. would be to run at least 3 accounts and keep them completely separate at all times. Wouldn't even bother trying to infiltrate until at least after the accounts have been active for 6 months more likely longer. That's not to say all 3 would try to join your corp. just the most suitable one for your corp. The others would be ready to infiltrate another corp.
You wouldn't be able to tell and your security would most likely aid me as people that feel that their security is good tend to get sloppy.
Actually I'm almost tempted to try. |
|
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5776
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 07:24:00 -
[161] - Quote
Spectral Tiger wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Spectral Tiger wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Your account will show older than the alt you put on it, which is a red flag.
Not if it's a new account. If someone is going to the trouble to infiltrate your corp. they will have a lot of patience. They may already be using several accounts for this purpose. Tell me more about spies and what they might do to infiltrate a corp. Very few corps that ask for a full API would outright take a brand new account because that is also a warning sign. There are places that new accounts go to fly in player ran corps, and then there are all the other established corps that they dont reply to because of standing skill point requirements, so no, what you're suggesting doesn't actually work. Yes, I know most corps have a SP limit anyway. What I would do if I was looking to infiltrate a corp. would be to run at least 3 accounts and keep them completely separate at all times. Wouldn't even bother trying to infiltrate until at least after the accounts have been active for 6 months more likely longer. That's not to say all 3 would try to join your corp. just the most suitable one for your corp. The others would be ready to infiltrate another corp. You wouldn't be able to tell and your security would most likely aid me as people that feel that their security is good tend to get sloppy. Actually I'm almost tempted to try. Yes, actually you should. You will be taking your first steps into a larger world. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
Ranger 1 Presents https://www.youtube.com/user/Ranger1Presents |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1213
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 08:03:00 -
[162] - Quote
I'm tempted to say... You're not giving your full API to the government or the NSA, you're giving it to your corp leader... Which you will have to trust once you're in anyway.
I'm also tempted to say... If you have nothing to hide, there should not be a problem. And anyway, if you the fact that a corp asks for a full API is enough to turn you away, then maybe that corp wasn't that attractive in the first place.
EVE is a game where you can be evil. Financian losses, a corp can get over it. But betrayal, sometimes its harder than any other kind of loss to get over it. Its understandable for corps to take precautions against this.
Also, except if you are in a corp with an army of recruiters, or in a very small corp, your API informations will probably not be looked into too much at recruitment, and not at all after you join.
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
|
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
654
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 10:47:00 -
[163] - Quote
What did I hear someone say once? In Eve don't trust anyone you can't walk 20m out of your house and go punch in the face. Even people you call friends and think are trustworthy can have senior moments in-game and go completely nuts. There's nothing you can do to defend against that. An API key is just not going to help you. And of course always assume everyone is a spy unless you're flying with your mom. She's probably not a spy. But if she's anything like you and you are a spy, she might be, because you two are pretty closely related genetically and probably behaviourally too.
That's all there is to Eve really. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
53
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 11:06:00 -
[164] - Quote
It's stupid. I won't give it. Not becuse I'm afraid of what someone will see but because it's stupidly ineffective.
What next? Stool and Urine samples? Semen in a jar?
And no I don't care about not getting into another "regular, boring, run of the mill, same as every other" corp... |
Jinn Aideron
41
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 13:14:00 -
[165] - Quote
Altrue wrote:very sensible post Nice. Love the logo btw, looks good!
Altrue wrote:If you have nothing to hide, there should not be a problem. OT: In the most general terms, and w/o any particular direction at the quoted, just because this is said a lot, which still doesn't make it hold any more truth:
This is self-deception, and deception of others: Everyone has things to hide, and rightly so, as well as she must be allowed to hide them.
-- Last time you had intercourse in plain sight in a public park?* -- Last very casual nude Friday at work? (*or a hundred other examples)
q.e.d.
Stealth deletes are bad. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5422
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 13:23:00 -
[166] - Quote
Jinn Aideron wrote:Altrue wrote:very sensible post Nice. Love the logo btw, looks good! Altrue wrote:If you have nothing to hide, there should not be a problem. OT: In the most general terms, and w/o any particular direction at the quoted, just because this is said a lot, which still doesn't make it hold any more truth: This is self-deception, and deception of others: Everyone has things to hide, and rightly so, as well as she must be allowed to hide them. -- Last time you had intercourse in plain sight in a public park?* -- Last very casual nude Friday at work? (*or a hundred other examples) q.e.d.
Both being illegal
And thusly missing the point "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Tricia Killnu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 13:37:00 -
[167] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Jinn Aideron wrote:Altrue wrote:very sensible post Nice. Love the logo btw, looks good! Altrue wrote:If you have nothing to hide, there should not be a problem. OT: In the most general terms, and w/o any particular direction at the quoted, just because this is said a lot, which still doesn't make it hold any more truth: This is self-deception, and deception of others: Everyone has things to hide, and rightly so, as well as she must be allowed to hide them. -- Last time you had intercourse in plain sight in a public park?* -- Last very casual nude Friday at work? (*or a hundred other examples) q.e.d. Both being illegal And thusly missing the point
Not true in every country FYI Sometimes you just have to realized you undocked and you suck. . . |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5422
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 13:44:00 -
[168] - Quote
Tricia Killnu wrote:
Not true in every country FYI
And therefore not hidden in every country
What is your point? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1118
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 14:19:00 -
[169] - Quote
Jinn Aideron wrote:Altrue wrote:very sensible post Nice. Love the logo btw, looks good! Altrue wrote:If you have nothing to hide, there should not be a problem. OT: In the most general terms, and w/o any particular direction at the quoted, just because this is said a lot, which still doesn't make it hold any more truth: This is self-deception, and deception of others: Everyone has things to hide, and rightly so, as well as she must be allowed to hide them. -- Last time you had intercourse in plain sight in a public park?* -- Last very casual nude Friday at work? (*or a hundred other examples) q.e.d.
You can hide them all you want but don't whine if you cannot get access to a group of people who want you to share your secrets. That's all there is to it. The game is still playable even if you never give out your APIs. It's all player generated rules that you are fighting against.
If you really don't want to deal with API shenanigans, you have 3 choice.
Join a corp not asking for it Run your own corp Deal with the corp managemnet to see if they can lift the requirement.
If all else fail, I head Caldari Provision is recruiting. |
Tricia Killnu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 15:35:00 -
[170] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Tricia Killnu wrote:
Not true in every country FYI
And therefore not hidden in every country What is your point?
You said both were illegal
I was just saying depends on the country cause I know several places where nudity and having sex on the job are neither exclusive or illegal.
And not hidden either. . .those windows are rather large and on the first floor.
Makes for an interesting commute Sometimes you just have to realized you undocked and you suck. . . |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 :: [one page] |