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Royally
Simply Wild. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:07:00 -
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I have been wondering wether or not CCP permits this to happen? I've had several people I know get bombed by obvious isboxers.
These people then petitioned their losses, and most of the time got reimbursed. My question is: If CCP is reimbursing these people, why are they not dealing with the Isboxers? I have to assume that reimbursing a loss means CCP judged it an exploit to make the kill in the first place, thus the offender should be punished?
Why is CCP sitting on the fence on this one? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5039
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:09:00 -
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More information required
ISBoxer is, unfortunately, legal so we would have to have more information on the incident befor ewe can give our half baked opinion
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1831
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:11:00 -
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Seems strange that they were most of the time reimbursed.
How many people is 'several' people and of those several, how many times did reimbursement occur and how many times did it not occur?
As to ISBoxer, CCP aren't really on the fence. They've ruled it ok. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Royally
Simply Wild. Mordus Angels
5
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:12:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Seems strange that they were most of the time reimbursed.
How many people is 'several' people and of those several, how many times did reimbursement occur and how many times did it not occur?
As to ISBoxer, CCP aren't really on the fence. They've ruled it ok.
Twenty one kills, 17 times reimbursed. So yes, I'd say they're on the fence. Every time it was a full bomb squad obviously controlled by one person launching a perfect alpha |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5039
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:15:00 -
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With facts like these, who could possibly doubt?
Citation required "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1831
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:17:00 -
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Royally wrote:Twenty one kills, 17 times reimbursed. So yes, I'd say they're on the fence. Every time it was a full bomb squad obviously controlled by one person launching a perfect alpha Those are pretty impressive numbers. Way more than I was expecting.
So I'm all out of half baked opinion on this one.
ISBoxer has been ruled ok, so I have no clue why reimbursement would occur, unless those deaths occurred during some other problem (eg. during a DDoS)|.
Only CCP can give you the definitive answer, but they won't.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Royally
Simply Wild. Mordus Angels
5
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:25:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23873303 This one got reimbursed.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23890155 Reimbursed.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1790496 Reimbursed.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23773361 Reimbursed.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23774893 Reimbursed.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23891473 Not Reimbursed.
To give some examples involving people in my alliance. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5040
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:27:00 -
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And your problem is... what?
That you dont like reimbursement?
GrrGoons (Opposite Day mode?)
Still see no evidence of reimbursement though "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Royally
Simply Wild. Mordus Angels
5
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:31:00 -
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I need to contact said individuals to obtain the proof of reimbursment. Your attitude however, doesnt exactly come over as either constructive, or as having read my OP with anything more than the attention span of a fly.
I stated that I am confused as to CCP's stance on this, since the user(s) in question quite obviously dont get banned, I'm assuming its fine. But since reimbursment takes place for those who petition a loss such as those quoted, I'm assuming its not fine?
Or is CCP just going down the middle road and encouraging people to get as many accounts as possible whilst mitigating the effect they can have on PVP on the side? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6891
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:35:00 -
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Why are you outing your friends for abusing the petition system? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1831
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:36:00 -
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Royally wrote:I need to contact said individuals to obtain the proof of reimbursment. Your attitude however, doesnt exactly come over as either constructive, or as having read my OP with anything more than the attention span of a fly. It's not that. It's just that the whole thing is strange.
21 kills that were reimbursed, what as "I got killed due to ISBoxer" and CCP reimbused. That is very un-CCP like.
Additionally , why if all the situations were "killed by ISBoxer, please reimburse" did 4 not get reimbursed.
I would suspect that all of the answers you seek from CCP are already in the correspondence between the petitioning player and the GMs that handled the cases.
Each of those should explain why it was reimbursed or not.
CCP are unlikely to give you an answer on the forum.
None of that changes the fact that CCP are not on the fence in relation to ISBoxer. It's a legal piece of software to use under the EULA. CCP have said so. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Royally
Simply Wild. Mordus Angels
5
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:43:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Why are you outing your friends for abusing the petition system?
I dont see how it is abuse of the petition system, when they get reimbursed. Unless I am very much mistaken, a person, not a piece of software handles those petitions. |
Royally
Simply Wild. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:43:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Royally wrote:I need to contact said individuals to obtain the proof of reimbursment. Your attitude however, doesnt exactly come over as either constructive, or as having read my OP with anything more than the attention span of a fly. It's not that. It's just that the whole thing is strange. 21 kills petitioned with what - "I got killed due to ISBoxer" - and CCP reimbused. That is very un-CCP like. Additionally, why if all the situations were "killed by ISBoxer, please reimburse" did 4 not get reimbursed.
Well, I'd imagine they expressed themselves slightly more eloquently. But I agree, its strange, hence why I'm asking. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5041
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:46:00 -
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Royally wrote:Your attitude however, doesnt exactly come over as either constructive, or as having read my OP with anything more than the attention span of a fly.
Difficult to be constructive in regards to baseless lies "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Regnag Leppod
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:52:00 -
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Reimbursment and enforcement issues aside, that is a beautiful use of isboxer.
Why aren't they doing this to gank miners? |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1863
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:53:00 -
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Royally wrote: These people then petitioned their losses, and most of the time got reimbursed.
I call complete and utter BS on this. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Royally
Simply Wild. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:54:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Royally wrote:Your attitude however, doesnt exactly come over as either constructive, or as having read my OP with anything more than the attention span of a fly. Difficult to be constructive in regards to baseless lies
Then I suggest you get rid of your cropped up frustration in another thread. Seeing as you have already decided for yourself that these are "baseless lies", even though I stated that I am in the process of obtaining the evidence you crave for, makes a discussion with you a moot point.
You also dismissed my OP as "grrgoons", which is wasnt, I am not judging here, I'm merely pointing out inconsistencies.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3735
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:56:00 -
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Without a way to verify your information, it is indistinguishable from a lie, no matter if you may be speaking the truth or not. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
GOB the Magician
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:56:00 -
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another example of the goon menace ruining our eve!
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Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
1878
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:57:00 -
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*handwave* "... these aren't the ISBoxers you're looking for... "
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe to staff how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2099
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:57:00 -
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This topic has been discussed over and over again with no real result, because discussing it is pointless.
It's allowed. Every pilot is seen as seperate identity, regardless of the amount of players controlling them. As long as there is no artificial input via bots, no rule is broken.
There really isn't much to discuss here, except the use of Google. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 @SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5041
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Posted - 2014.06.08 23:58:00 -
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Royally wrote: Seeing as you have already decided for yourself that these are "baseless lies", even though I stated that I am in the process of obtaining the evidence you crave for, makes a discussion with you a moot point.
You also dismissed my OP as "grrgoons", which is wasnt, I am not judging here, I'm merely pointing out inconsistencies.
Im not the only one calling BS on this
IT seems HIGHLY unlikely to have played out the way you describe. Id also like to take a moment to tell you that posting GM conversations or responses is against the rules.
Also I did not dismiss your OP as GrrGoons. If you would take the care to actually read what I wrote, you would see I said in fact the complete opposite.
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1988
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Posted - 2014.06.09 00:03:00 -
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So Long as CCP heavily relies on multiple accounts to survive, nothing will be done about ISBoxer. I also agree with others about the validity of reimbursement, they shouldn't be reimbursed and I don't see why CCP would. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Dalto Bane
Black Swarm Locust
109
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Posted - 2014.06.09 00:15:00 -
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I don't believe you OP.
What I do believe is that this is a stealth "ban ISBoxer" thread. First things first, how do you know ISBoxer is the program used, and not, lets say AHK (there is about numerous softwares/hardwares that can do what ISBoxer does to varying degrees)
Secondly, in the six seconds from when the bombs were deployed and traveled to their destination, your associates, instead of being aligned and warping out, jumping gate, our frantically kissing their *** goodbye, they instead, studied the movements of the bombers movement to such detail that they could without question, determine that they were being controlled using ISBoxer.
Thirdly, none of the above matters, unless the bombers pilot was using an automated third party software in conjunction with ISBoxer, ISBoxer still requires a person behind the keyboard, and a stroke of the keys to control, even if its 20 instances.
ONE KEYSTROKE TO RULE THEM ALL!
Also gonna need that proof of reimbursement to give your post any Dalto Bane for CSM10- Getting an early start. -á-My posts are my platform
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
752
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Posted - 2014.06.09 00:44:00 -
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So the claim is that the petitions were filed specifically with the complaint that "I got exploded by someone using IsBoxer", not any other game mechanics issue, and that CCP said, in 17/21 cases (but strangely, not the last 4), "Oh, ok, it was using IsBoxer, you can be reimbursed"?
Just to make sure that I understand this Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
GreenSeed
1032
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Posted - 2014.06.09 00:44:00 -
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all i see is more proof that there's no Goonswarm and that the Mittani is an eccentric billionaire with multiple personality disorder. |
Arec Bardwin
1425
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Posted - 2014.06.09 00:44:00 -
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Goon character naming practice has really gone downhill recently.... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10392
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Posted - 2014.06.09 01:12:00 -
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I wouldn't put it past their GMs to reimburse for really stupid **** like this.
If they are getting reimbursed then that is indeed a problem. If not, whatever. But isboxing bombers is allowed.
Also, I knew exactly who you were talking about (oodell) before I even opened this thread. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Magnus Cortex
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
180
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Posted - 2014.06.09 01:17:00 -
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Honeypot thread |
Mag's
the united
17366
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Posted - 2014.06.09 01:26:00 -
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Also calling BS on this.
Also, IB4TL.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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