Alright, I'll start.

* Reprocessing shows a bonus from scrapmetal processing, and I don't have that skill.

Its' kinda unclear if you don't realize how the multipliers work. I'd suggest simply not showing it at all.

Or show your current skills are contributing corretly so you have an idea what you may want to train up more etc to get better multiplyers?

Alright, I'll start.

* Reprocessing shows a bonus from scrapmetal processing, and I don't have that skill.

Its' kinda unclear if you don't realize how the multipliers work. I'd suggest simply not showing it at all.

Also:
If I remember correctly, a block of compressed ore is made of a batch of the raw ore (100 units).

I reprocessed 100K units of veldspar in a Reprocessing array. Reprocessing 5, Reprocessing Efficiency 5, Veldspar Processing 4. I got 53% efficiency (220K out of 415K contained in the ore).

Something is not right here.

Tried it again using a 4% refining implant, got the exact same amount of tritanium back as without.

No copy paste functionaliy for entries in the reprocessing offer window

Also:
If I remember correctly, a block of compressed ore is made of a batch of the raw ore (100 units).
Now let's take Arkonor as an example (the batch got added 1275 Units of Mexallon as announced in the Fortune favors the bold Devblog)
Here's the minerals of a batch, the quantites are from left to right
6905 x Tritanium,
1275 x Mexallon
115 x Zydrine
230 x Megacyte

On Sisi, however, one unit of compressed Arkonor contains
7672 Tritanium
1420 Mexallon
128 Zydrine
256 Megacyte

Roughly 111 % of the minerals of a batch.

And the blueprints for compressed [whatever] are still present in the market

Same applies to ice, like Thick blue Ice
Compressed stuff also contains roughly 111 % of the raw ice.

I reprocessed 100K units of veldspar in a Reprocessing array. Reprocessing 5, Reprocessing Efficiency 5, Veldspar Processing 4. I got 53% efficiency (220K out of 415K contained in the ore).

Something is not right here.

Tried it again using a 4% refining implant, got the exact same amount of tritanium back as without.

other than the blueprints and hard values, has the way compression on the rorqual changed at all?

I can't seem to get sisi to work...

The Compression Array works fine. Select something first and right click that.

(Though the presence of compression blueprints might be a hint to that it doesn't work for the Rorqual yet)

While correct for Arkonor and a couple others, this is incorrect for most other ores.

Compression values chart

Ore refine values

You'll notice in most cases the volume of minerals in 1 compressed ore block is not 100 units of the raw ore, so it's not safe to maintain this assumption, while it does work for your arkonor example.

Man, the art team really phone it in on the new reprocessing button eh.

Eve is a game designed for intelligent individuals, if every thing that might confuse some people were hidden, it'd quickly become a very dumbed down and frustrating to use game. Seeing possible options like this laid out for you not only shows players what else they can train for increased efficiency without having to refer to external sites, but shows that there IS something that they could train up to increase that efficiency. As such, I think Eve players are better as a whole with it there, and some individuals being confused, and asking.

Might be true but (and I say this without seeing what he's looking at) "fighting the interface" is dumb no matter how smart the players are supposed to be.

So here I suppose it's a matter of whether the info is being conveyed clearly or not.

• There is no multi-selection in reprocessing window. -- You are presented with very nice visual clues, warning signs, etc. When you then want to ACT on these, you have so select,right-click,remove every single element on its own!
• Allow us to DRAG things out of the window for 'remove', just as we now drag them in to 'add'.

When I picture this window in its finished state: awesome! Can't wait.

unfortunately dragging items out of the window and dropping them somewhere in the void doesn't work very well in EVE so we couldn't make that happen this time

multiselect is something we might look into

multiselect, multiselect, multiselect, multiselect, multiselect, multiselect, *stomp stomp*

It changed to "100 units buld a block" after release of the blog. CCP Ytterbium announced that change on March 31.

I've asked this before, but I'd love an official response (and if there's a time to ask, it's now).

Almost all industrial processes in Eve require time: whether it be researching, copying, mining or building, your character has to wait it out. However, you can smelt millions of tons of ore instantly.

Isn't that both counter-intuitive and somewhat counter to general Eve principles? Most stuff is designed to take time and be faster with more corpmates involved. But the refining requirements of an entire alliance can be done by a single character.

It's weird. Let me just say that I don't want to arbitrarily increase anyone's grind, but assigning skills to tasks with instant duration is bad game design. It allows single alts to do the work of nations, and means that newbies with mediocre refining skills cannot market those skills.

Obviously refining could be set up and left while you did other things or logged off. Also, aspects such as mining, manufacturing or copying could be sped up to compensate GÇô there's no need for the overall time to market for goods to increase.

If refining took time, there would be a refining mini-profession: more people would need to chip-in in larger corporations, and newbies with fair-to-middling refining skills could still be of use. Imagine if they could accept refining contracts from industrial big-shots and make a little extra cash while they run their level two missions. It's an MMO remember: the more interaction the better.

And if POSes then needed an extra buff to refining (over the proposed buff in Crius), who would object?

ps. If they want to combine refining and reprocessing into one word, then smelting would make more sense than reprocessing.

worst case scenario you just close the window and open it again and don't add ALL THE ITEMS, but just the ones you're going to reprocess

As much as I would hate having to wait for reprocessing, I think this is a very interesting idea, and overall would be happy if it were implemented.

It would also allow you to tweak the Rorqual to make it a viable ship again (Add the ability to reprocess with bonus to speed/yield).

Mining is the time-sink ... and repro is the "instant" (well except in POS, which takes 10 sec).

hey uh on the test server i tried to reprocess a civilian miner. it worked and well it gave me 7 mechanical parts, 2 laser focusing crystals, 4 photon microprocessors and 7 electronic parts. as well as some mexalon nocxium pyerite and tritanium. i belive this is a bug?

hey uh on the test server i tried to reprocess a civilian miner. it worked and well it gave me 7 mechanical parts, 2 laser focusing crystals, 4 photon microprocessors and 7 electronic parts. as well as some mexalon nocxium pyerite and tritanium. i belive this is a bug?

Now that would be funny if it made it to TQ. Who needs silly things like Neodymium, Dysprosium, or Technetium when one has an infinite free source of Civilian Miner Is at every station in the game? Capital-G. Capital-G.

unfortunately dragging items out of the window and dropping them somewhere in the void doesn't work very well in EVE so we couldn't make that happen this time

multiselect is something we might look into

worst case scenario you just close the window and open it again and don't add ALL THE ITEMS, but just the ones you're going to reprocess

I've asked this before, but I'd love an official response (and if there's a time to ask, it's now).

Almost all industrial processes in Eve require time: whether it be researching, copying, mining or building, your character has to wait it out. However, you can smelt millions of tons of ore instantly.

Isn't that both counter-intuitive and somewhat counter to general Eve principles? Most stuff is designed to take time and be faster with more corpmates involved. But the refining requirements of an entire alliance can be done by a single character.

It's weird. Let me just say that I don't want to arbitrarily increase anyone's grind, but assigning skills to tasks with instant duration is bad game design. It allows single alts to do the work of nations, and means that newbies with mediocre refining skills cannot market those skills.

Obviously refining could be set up and left while you did other things or logged off. Also, aspects such as mining, manufacturing or copying could be sped up to compensate GÇô there's no need for the overall time to market for goods to increase.

If refining took time, there would be a refining mini-profession: more people would need to chip-in in larger corporations, and newbies with fair-to-middling refining skills could still be of use. Imagine if they could accept refining contracts from industrial big-shots and make a little extra cash while they run their level two missions. It's an MMO remember: the more interaction the better.

And if POSes then needed an extra buff to refining (over the proposed buff in Crius), who would object?

ps. If they want to combine refining and reprocessing into one word, then smelting would make more sense than reprocessing.

were all stations supposed to recieve reproccessing arrays or was I mistaken?

Just tried reprocessing a couple of things in station.

I'm seeing a consistant set of multipliers, but an inconsistant percentage return.

Equipment array is showing 56%
Fuel blocks are showing 49%

(scrap metal reprocessing 2 1.1 multiplier shown., no standings in station 0.95 multiplier)

(just an edit to be clear: I've stuck in a bug report)

hey uh on the test server i tried to reprocess a civilian miner. it worked and well it gave me 7 mechanical parts, 2 laser focusing crystals, 4 photon microprocessors and 7 electronic parts. as well as some mexalon nocxium pyerite and tritanium. i belive this is a bug?

We have seen your post on the General Discussion forums before.

We considered having Reprocessing take time early on the Industry overhaul process, but we quickly dropped that idea. Mainly because this activity isn't just something that only is used by Industrialist people. It's also used by players that want to quickly reprocess loot, or quickly get rid of hangar items.

Reprocessing Taking Time Argument.

That feels like a pretty weak argument to not have it take time. It sounds to me like it's the precise reason why it should take time. Someone who's not into industry can reprocess but it'll be slow and inefficient much in the same way that if they want to build something or transport large quantities of goods the same thing will happen.

There's already refining arrays in stations, refining could be added to the science window as a new job. Select everything you want to refine, install refining job. The stuff disappears from your inventory and (volume / speed)s later, it's done and ready to dump back out.

Everyone can have one reprocess job at a time that runs somewhere around 1000m3/s. Add in a couple skills that let you parallelize 6 reprocessing jobs at 1500m3/s. Anyone can still refine, but you need to train to do it efficiently.

This will put an even harder cap on gun-mining (which is mostly dead now) and hopefully the personal desire to remove all modules from NPC wrecks, including faction and officer stuff.

I see a LOT of words here, and none of them are doing anything to explain how this would produce interesting gameplay.

Interesting gameplay is highly subjective. If the mechanics are changed from something simple like press button get minerals to an involved process (at least slightly involved as too much gets bad fast). It changes the mining from mine ore-refine-sell minerals to mine ore-sell ore/buy ore-refine-sell minerals.

It's the same reason to get rid of OGB, it's a thing that's there that nobody needs to really thing about beyond having a single alt around to take care of it. My off the cuff solution might not be interesting or compelling, but it's not meant to be the end of the discussion, only a beginning (though it seems like it's already closed from the dev's view).

Further on my suggestion, if volume is used as the factor for reprocessing, it increases the value of compression and creates diversity in what, now, is a very flat market.

Hello, CCP Punkturis, o/ thanks for your time!

If you need an explicit, in-window drop target for this to work, why not have one? Mockup

Cheers!

why had implemented something similar to this (except cooler, sorry!) but then figured out it wasn't consistent with anything else in EVE so right click (yay) has to do for now

Interesting gameplay is highly subjective. If the mechanics are changed from something simple like press button get minerals to an involved process (at least slightly involved as too much gets bad fast). It changes the mining from mine ore-refine-sell minerals to mine ore-sell ore/buy ore-refine-sell minerals.

It's the same reason to get rid of OGB, it's a thing that's there that nobody needs to really thing about beyond having a single alt around to take care of it. My off the cuff solution might not be interesting or compelling, but it's not meant to be the end of the discussion, only a beginning (though it seems like it's already closed from the dev's view).

Further on my suggestion, if volume is used as the factor for reprocessing, it increases the value of compression and creates diversity in what, now, is a very flat market.

Lol, it had better been cooler because this one took a handful of minutes in PS, and I wasn't paid.

We'll make do with processing either way. But everyone loves functional.

Instant things

well mine hand animations *crosses hands*

I might be mistaken, but the 10 second working time of the arrays isn't being used at all and is running instant as far as I can tell

The repro module does in fact have a working delay.

implemented something similar to this (except cooler, sorry!) but then figured out it wasn't consistent with anything else in EVE...well mine hand animations *crosses hands*

it wasn't consistent with anything else in EVE so right click (yay) has to do for now

Thanks for pointing this out, this will be taken care of.

Maybe you had a server delay. During my tests (highsec reproc array) it was more like this.

We have seen your post on the General Discussion forums before.

We considered having Reprocessing take time early on the Industry overhaul process, but we quickly dropped that idea. Mainly because this activity isn't just something that only is used by Industrialist people. It's also used by players that want to quickly reprocess loot, or quickly get rid of hangar items.

I would like to raise what i consider an important point here, and has to do with current TQ "usability" of refining, vs singularity values.

On this character (my main), i have enough refining skills to have perfect refine for loot (scrapmetal) and all high-sec ores (from veld up to jaspet). This include extensive work on standings for several NPC corporations. Trained such skills on a PvP oriented character to support past corp activities.

I just connected to SISI and reviewed by how much i will be affected, it turns out i only get 65% for the ores in the same NPC stations......which is a drastic drop. I don't mind lossing the yield from NPC loot, because that required nerfing to boost mining as a profession....but i can no longer buy ore from the market and refine it myself.....without incurring in a heavy economic loss.

Would it be possible to consider refunding refining skills? i will train an alt to serve the same function, but it has no purpose to be trained to the new required levels on my main which is not an industrialist (albeit it has basic skills to work with tech1 refining and ammo production).

Its not a whine about the whole change, since i really like the new balance towards miners and ore extraction acquiring importance.....but my abilities are moving from "useful" towards the "not bother" category...and albeit there has been past rebalances with skills....this is the first one that actually hurts not specialized choices....

TBH, I'm still a bit on the fence that you can be "perfect" in NPC stations at all...

Why so? You get more than perfect in POS and even more than that perfect in player outposts.

Perfect refine in hisec was trivial to obtain. Soon, in order to get the same amount of minerals as "perfect" one has to actually train perfect skills, get perfect standings, and use the best implant.

In other words, perfect refine now actually requires perfection instead of mediocrity.

hence my point to ask for considering refunding skills ....since mediocrity is no longer a possibility ....you need perfect skills to obtain the same results as before....

[quote=Alain Colcer]do you have a reading disability?

Personally i would like to see every station with a Base 33% Efficiency with character standings with the relevant NPC corp raising the efficiency level at 2% per level of standing.

((33% Base Station Equipment) + (Standings x 0.02 )) x (1 + Refining skill x 0.03) x (1 + Refining Efficiency skill x 0.02) x (1 + Ore Processing skill x 0.02) )

This would stop finding the right station picked based on crude base efficiency and make other less used stations and systems be used, no more everyone in one 50% station and zero in another 33% of the same corp in the same system.

Why so? You get more than perfect in POS and even more than that perfect in player outposts.

Because there are currently bots and super-multiboxers who are competing with me from the near complete safety of NPC corps. They shouldn't be able to do this.

Edit --> yeah, I can gank them, or inform CODE about them ... but "wardec his refining corp, and nuke the POS" should also be a valid option.

Furthermore, without any implants or re-mapped attributes ... it takes a grand total of 60 days to get L5 ore processing skills (bit longer if they need Cybernetics 5). While there will be many people who are taken by surprise, the "big players" (if you will) will have already fixed their skills, or are nearly done doing so.

Edit, while I'm at it: Two compressed variants contain raw ore quantities that are no multiple of 100 pre Crius - Crokite (1250 units) and Pyroxeres (49.950 units). I didn't get to spare some on Sisi before deployment and can't test. However, adjusting the quantities of compressed variants results in values a basic ore batch contains. This would mean the loss of half a batch for each block when Crius goes live - if there's no other adjustment, which I can't check myself.

Because there are currently bots and super-multiboxers who are competing with me from the near complete safety of NPC corps. They shouldn't be able to do this.

Edit --> yeah, I can gank them, or inform CODE about them ... but "wardec his refining corp, and nuke the POS" should also be a valid option.

Furthermore, without any implants or re-mapped attributes ... it takes a grand total of 60 days to get L5 ore processing skills (bit longer if they need Cybernetics 5). While there will be many people who are taken by surprise, the "big players" (if you will) will have already fixed their skills, or are nearly done doing so.

Ok, I have read a lot of stuff about this, tried it on sisi and just need a simple answer....

In null sec, will I get more minerals refining at an outpost than I would at a POS regardless of any skills I may have?

cheers

unfortunately dragging items out of the window and dropping them somewhere in the void doesn't work very well in EVE so we couldn't make that happen this time

multiselect is something we might look into

Having problems figuring out how to reprocess in an outpost. IIRC, ALL outposts are supposed to allow that now???

I've had 5/5/5 skills since 2008. This change affects my training plan in no way whatsoever, for the people whose plans have to change ... meh.

I'm arguing that "oh, another 60 days to perfect" is really nothing, as it will only change the playing field for a few months (or less!) until people wise up and train the skills.

I'm saying that a 4% boost isn't really that much of a carrot, and you should (probably) NOT be able to get "perfect" refining at all whatsoever while using NPC Refineries.

Well, that can't be helped, skill-Training is not an endless process. Though, 60 days is only for the High sec ores (if at all); if you want all Ore Processing skills at V, it's going to take a lot longer. But even then, it's only a couple of months and you are done, which is intended. There are only so many ores for which you can train processing skills. If you compare that to Gunnery or Ships, it's only natural that it takes not as much time as these 2 categories have a lot more things to consider and train for.




This argument is flawed, because it depends on what you take as perfect. You obviously take the NPC-Station result as perfect, which, for my understanding, is not the case. Perfect is the Sov-00-Minmatar outpost and compared to that, NPC stations are utterly inferior. They certainly give almost the same reprocessing yield as they do now, but in the new scheme of things, they are very far from perfect.

I KNOW it doesn't take that long to train the 5/5/5 skills up. I KNOW that I'm limiting myself to hisec. Where do you think that there are people hiding in NPC corps for "safety" so they can mine with limited outside interference?

As we are talking specifically about hisec carebears who currently hide in NPC corps, and not sov null outposts -- why is my argument of "4% boost, which barely covers the cost of a small tower (given current mineral prices) is not enough of a carrot for people to start risking POS" flawed?

I don't have problems with limited outside interference. A PC can simply be dissolved and reformed, if a wardec hits and no interference happens either. Besides, miners "hiding" in NPC are not the biggest problem in my opinion. Gank pilots hiding in NPC corps are.

It is flawed in the way that you think these players only should do reprocessing in these POSes. That's not how CCP seems to have intended their use; instead you should move all your industry activities there.

But that's against the spirit of EVE (both cases, actually).

No, we're not changing the availability of the different Industry service - we are just removing manufacturing / science slots.

Which spirit are you talking about? If you want a realistic picture on the spirit of EVE, I suggest you to read this topic.

But in any case, and to not let it drift too far off into other topics; I don't see a problem with using game mechanics and features. They are there, they can be used and in fact are used if you don't want to expose yourself to the hypocritical loveliness (replace with a more colorful term of your choice) of the other players. If you do that, you have very limited choice in reaping the benefits of a lot of the game's mechanics. If you, however, want to expose yourself to the loveliness of the game, you have to do it full-scale to get a chance for the rewards. Not just cherrypicking and expecting to get the full land of milk and honey treatment.

Besides, miners "hiding" in NPC are not the biggest problem in my opinion. Gank pilots hiding in NPC corps are.

Honestly, there is nothing preventing a NPC corp player from having an alt corp sitting idle whilst they build up ore to refine, alt corp drops a pos + refinery, refines, yanks the pos and goes back to being idle. Very little risk involved.

Quoted from the devblog:

"Little outpost on the prairie

Player-built outposts are currently very biased regarding reprocessing. Minmatar outposts have a default 35% output and all others have none. Currently there is not much of a choice on that regard.

In the same vein, there is not so much of an incentive to upgrade an outpost for better reprocessing yields, since perfect reprocessing rates are so easily achieved.

After the summer expansion, all outposts will now have a default 50% reprocessing rate (on all items, including ore, ices, ships, ammunition etcGǪ). However:

Amarr, Caldari and Gallente outposts can be upgraded to further increase ore and ice reprocessing by 2%, 4% and 7% (for a total of 52%, 54% and 57%)
Minmatar outposts can be upgraded to add further 3%, 7% and 10% on ore and ice reprocessing rates (for a total of 53%, 57% and 60%)
In practice, that means that someone with perfect skills, implant and standings refining at a fully upgraded Minmatar outpost will receive 14.4% more reprocessed minerals than currently."

So which is it? Are the non-Minmatar outposts getting the ability to refine or not?

Thanks for pointing this out, this will be taken care of.

wasn't there some mention of this, because the new reprocessing perfect skills are only ~74% or what ever, the yield of everything was increased so we would get the same minerals as we do now, from the same size batch. Actually perfect skills will a maxed outpost was a little better yield than current. "14.4% more reprocessed minerals than currently."

Quoted from the devblog:
....
After the summer expansion, all outposts will now have a default 50% reprocessing rate (on all items, including ore, ices, ships, ammunition etcGǪ).
.....
Amarr, Caldari and Gallente outposts can be upgraded to further increase ore and ice reprocessing by 2%, 4% and 7% (for a total of 52%, 54% and 57%)
Minmatar outposts can be upgraded to add further 3%, 7% and 10% on ore and ice reprocessing rates (for a total of 53%, 57% and 60%)
......

POS Reprocessing currently happens instantly as well - at least the highsec usable "Reprocessing Array". The attribute isn't active (neither is the yield multiplier).

no, currently, as in right now on TQ, it takes 3 hours to run a full refining job on the array. annoying as hell. which is why i'm very happy for the 10 sec delay

hey uh on the test server i tried to reprocess a civilian miner. it worked and well it gave me 7 mechanical parts, 2 laser focusing crystals, 4 photon microprocessors and 7 electronic parts. as well as some mexalon nocxium pyerite and tritanium. i belive this is a bug?

Quoted from the devblog:

"Little outpost on the prairie

Player-built outposts are currently very biased regarding reprocessing. Minmatar outposts have a default 35% output and all others have none. Currently there is not much of a choice on that regard.

In the same vein, there is not so much of an incentive to upgrade an outpost for better reprocessing yields, since perfect reprocessing rates are so easily achieved.

After the summer expansion, all outposts will now have a default 50% reprocessing rate (on all items, including ore, ices, ships, ammunition etcGǪ). However:

Amarr, Caldari and Gallente outposts can be upgraded to further increase ore and ice reprocessing by 2%, 4% and 7% (for a total of 52%, 54% and 57%)
Minmatar outposts can be upgraded to add further 3%, 7% and 10% on ore and ice reprocessing rates (for a total of 53%, 57% and 60%)
In practice, that means that someone with perfect skills, implant and standings refining at a fully upgraded Minmatar outpost will receive 14.4% more reprocessed minerals than currently."

So which is it? Are the non-Minmatar outposts getting the ability to refine or not?

Defiantly need the refining quote at the pos refine arrays just like at outposts. I get 74% at an outpost. I can see that because the quote tells me. I get less minerals at the intensive refining array at the pos but I have no idea of the %

Still wondering about this. I've created a sheet to show the impact of the "half future batch" within currently existing blocks.

Apples and oranges, but I guess I didn't explain myself clearly.

• NPC stations and conquerable stations are not getting any service change.
• Player outposts will get the reprocessing facilities as quote above.
• Slots are going away on everything. NPC stations, conquerable stations, outposts, starbases.

Yes, we wanted to introduce the new UI for Starbase Reprocessing Arrays as well, but all software developers that volunteered to look into the POS code started behaving strangely. Two of them got seizures while drooling everywhere and one had to be locked down for yelling "oh my god, it's full of stars" non-stop.

Not pretty, so we'll have to make due without it so far.

So then what is the non-upgraded difference between the minmatar outpost and the other racial variants?

So then what is the non-upgraded difference between the minmatar outpost and the other racial variants?

Do you not think that only giving a 1% bonus on the first upgrade to the mimatar station to be a little skewed.

Do you not think that only giving a 1% bonus on the first upgrade to the mimatar station to be a little skewed.

The more you mention how scary the pos code is, the more curious I am to see it... Contact me and I'll sign an NDA, give blood samples, whatever you desire. Perhaps this is one of many things you need to go open source with so the player base can attempt to help you with it.

I assume the difficulty lies in all the entity object entanglements like I saw in that fanfest presentation.... and the corp entanglements.... Or that whoever worked on this part of the code didn't leave adequate comments. Or that it is 50,000 lines long....

I filled a intensive reprocessing array with compressed veld (200k m3) and reprocessed it. Which put out ~3 million m3 several times the size of the arrays capacity.

I'd suggest adding a mineral hold to the Reprocessing arrays where reprocessing jobs get placed.

Also is there a reason the array has such small capacity? 200k seems like an arbitrary limitation when reprocessing is instant.

Question - im in null

@ Minmatar Outpost - and when i reprocess I can see "50%" at the top of the screen in the reprocessing window.

When I hover over it it says

50% base yield
1.0x bonus from Scrapmetal Processing
1.0x reduction from station owner tax

But there is no tax from station owner.....we own the station......is this reduction correct? Is it an NPC tax ?

Latest plan is:

• Default outpost gives 50%, Minmatar gives 52% reprocessing rates on everything.
• Upgrades on non-Minmatar outposts give extra ore and ice reprocessing yield, up to 52%, 54% and 57%
• Upgrades on Minmatar outposts give extra ore and ice reprocessing yield, up to 53%, 56% and 60%

It has always overloaded the array after processing a full batch. Nothing new there. No "mineral" bay needed

Small capacity probably stems from the desire to limit "free" storage space....although, honestly, I don't see the need for a 200k limit anymore....1m would probably be around the right value.

hey there,

i tested the new compressing on the Rorqual and the Array.

I recognized that the new pressing for each ore stack (100er) gets one Compressed ore, thats fine.

But the Compressed Ore i have stored in Station will lose a lots of worth as theyre number didn-¦t Change.
So dunno if this was just a bug on Sisi which didn-¦t Change the compressed ore Count on Station.
Or if i should refine all my Compressed Ore before Cruius and not getting the new yields from Crius.



Best regards

Is there a patch notes for SiSi someplace so we don't have to test everything, so we know what has been
worked on and what we should be testing to help the most?

Is it possible to get some sort of UI pop up for reprocessing at a pos to get expected values out. Currently ore just immidiately turns into minerals with no idea whether it is anywhere close to correct amounts or if skills/implants are properly being applied

Yes, we wanted to introduce the new UI for Starbase Reprocessing Arrays as well, but all software developers that volunteered to look into the POS code started behaving strangely. Two of them got seizures while drooling everywhere and one had to be locked down for yelling "oh my god, it's full of stars" non-stop.

Not pretty, so we'll have to make due without it so far.

I see the refining array (POS Module) is still doing the base 52% and ignoring your skills and implants. It is becoming more than a little annoying to log in and reprocess 1 unit of compressed ore every patch to see if this gets fixed.

Where is this bug on your list of things to fix (top, middle, bottom...)?

[EDIT] Ok - I went back and re-read the comments for the reprocessing changes... I see that skills are not supposed to apply to the pos refinery modules. Well... darn... The request for a SiSi patch notes remains...

Is there a patch notes for SiSi someplace so we don't have to test everything, so we know what has been worked on and what we should be testing to help the most?

...Skills are supposed to apply to POS reprocessing arrays, it's just not in yet.

This morning I logged on to Singularity to get a feel for exactly how the upcoming reprocessing changes will affect me. It turns out that it's still a bit too early for such testing, as the proposed changes have not yet all made it to the test server. As noted, the POS Reprocessing Array currently has a much lower efficiency than a 50% station, presumably because the skills don' t yet apply.

So I'll just ask it this way: Will the difference in final (net) yield of a Reprocessing Array (0.52 yield multiplier) and an NPC station (50%) with perfect standings be the 2% difference in base yield?

...so it's a bit more than 2%. Not a huge deal more, admittedly, but more.

I've also been hoping to see adjustments to kronos ore blocks during the last mirror. I just appears that there was no script run to bring those kronos blocks to crius blocks - which should be like: kronos ore count of a block divided by hundred = crius block count.

(still I'm interested especially in pyroxeres and crokite, due to them having current ore quantities that are no multiple of 100)

I think I have an answer to this from an earlier post, but I wanted to double-check:

The POS refinery structure is not going to be getting the reprocessing UI window popup that reprocessing in an station/outpost gets, correct? It's going to just be click "Reprocess" and hope everything works out okay?

I really feel that adding this UI to the POS structure is important, if not for the sake of consistency, than for the sake of user sanity. I understand that the POS code is supposedly quite a mess, but quite frankly I see that as a poor excuse.

Agreed, still waiting to see if it's better to refine the blocks of Ore before Crius or afterward? Or will it be a wash, which I'm fine with as well. Referencing many many blocks of ore here. Thanks.

According to what I read, the max reprocessing value will be around 78%, but I believe they are adjusting the ore compositions to give more minerals per unit, by an amount that will give i believe it was a 74% refine the same output you currently get with a 100% refine. (which if I recall correctly, is the new perfect at a 50% facility) So if you do have max skills, and an implant, and use a 52-56% facility, you will get more minerals than you can get now. but only by a few percent.

Yes, we wanted to introduce the new UI for Starbase Reprocessing Arrays as well, but all software developers that volunteered to look into the POS code started behaving strangely. Two of them got seizures while drooling everywhere and one had to be locked down for yelling "oh my god, it's full of stars" non-stop.

Not pretty, so we'll have to make due without it so far.

If you don't mind me asking, what happened to the devs who looked at the POS code long enough to get the new research/manufacturing UI added to POS labs/production arrays? Were they feeling particularly fortified at the time, or is only the code dealing very specifically with POS refining structures seizure-inducing?

The new mirror didn't convert TQ blocks. One block still is one block on Sisi. What is planned to be done to them when crius gets deployed? How are those two special ores to be converted?

Station Equipment x (1 + Refining skill x 0.03) x (1 + Refining Efficiency skill x 0.02) x (1 + Ore Processing skill x 0.02) )

For NPC Station Refining (now called reprocessing?) the new equation with implant is as follows:

Station Equipment + 37.5 * (1+ (refining skill * .03)) * (1+ (refining efficiency skill*.02)) * (1+ (ore specific skill * .02)) * (1 + Implant bonus in decimal format) = effective refining yield (before taxes)

and the tax rate at NPC stations will still be:

5-( .75 * your NPC standings) = tax rate

Can someone please confirm or correct me please? (and info on what the equation will be for POS would be great too)
The 37.5 is the inherent ability to "refine" ore or has this been thrown out?

As such, we are planning to change the formula to the following:

Reprocessing yield: Station Equipment x (1 + Refining skill x 0.03) x (1 + Refining Efficiency skill x 0.02) x (1 + Ore Processing skill x 0.02) )

• We are removing the 0.375 base multiplier, instead having the station equipment directly multiplied by skills in the new formula. We are primarily doing this to increase the importance of finding the right station, while achieving our goal to reduce reprocessing efficiency. It is also important to note that NPC station reprocessing rates are not being changed for now.
• Refining now gives 3% instead of 2%, Refining Efficiency and Ore Specialization skills only giving 2% each instead of 4% and 5% respectively.