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Jinmotofu
The World's End Tavern War Crimes Social Club
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Posted - 2014.06.11 22:25:00 -
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I would like to thank CCP for Nurfing the Yeld of all the Exhumers! the Hulk is NOT the yeld king anymore! |
Jinmotofu
The World's End Tavern War Crimes Social Club
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Posted - 2014.06.11 22:27:00 -
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Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2014.06.11 22:43:00 -
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You sound like you're bad at math. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.06.11 23:00:00 -
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Jinmotofu wrote:Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration!
Effective Yield Multiplier = 1 / (1 - cycle reduction factor) |
Jinmotofu
The World's End Tavern War Crimes Social Club
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Posted - 2014.06.11 23:08:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Jinmotofu wrote:Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration! Effective Yield Multiplier = 1 / (1 - cycle reduction factor)
Yes but the base yeld before cycle time is the same! |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2014.06.11 23:09:00 -
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Jinmotofu wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Jinmotofu wrote:Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration! Effective Yield Multiplier = 1 / (1 - cycle reduction factor) Yes but the base yeld before cycle time is the same!
You sound like you are terrible at math. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2014.06.12 07:04:00 -
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Jinmotofu wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Jinmotofu wrote:Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration! Effective Yield Multiplier = 1 / (1 - cycle reduction factor) Yes but the base yeld before cycle time is the same!
Um, so the Skiff mines X ore in 3 minutes and the Hulk mines the same X ore in less than 3 minutes (allowing you to mine more and you say that the hulk has no yield advantage????? |
Nex Killer
Drunk3n Industry
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Posted - 2014.06.12 07:13:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jinmotofu wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Jinmotofu wrote:Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration! Effective Yield Multiplier = 1 / (1 - cycle reduction factor) Yes but the base yeld before cycle time is the same! You sound like you are terrible at math.
Ummm... didn't you know that 2+2=8 come on now! |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.12 08:55:00 -
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Jinmotofu wrote:Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration!
Duration......... so what gives gives better m-¦/min, the hulk
poor troll or stupid, u decide already dead, just haven-¦t fallen over yet.... |
Lucy Oreless
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.06.13 12:40:00 -
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This OP made me laugh.. a surprise today since my head hurts after pulling 15h days for the last month.. _____________________________________________________________________________________ -áI did not have sexual relations to THAT woman.... |
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Jinmotofu
The World's End Tavern War Crimes Social Club
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Posted - 2014.06.13 15:56:00 -
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What you all are not seeing is that the Yeld Before Cycle time lost 500m3 off all the Exhumers! |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
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Posted - 2014.06.13 15:59:00 -
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@OP: I love that you end every sentence with an exclamation point! "I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion." |
setozero
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.15 05:28:00 -
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You do understand the Hulk can mine from three different asteroids. So when that op laser mines the last 300 it was a complete waste. At least my Hulk will pull from the other rocks. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:29:00 -
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Jinmotofu wrote:What you all are not seeing is that the Yeld Before Cycle time lost 500m3 off all the Exhumers! Hulk
Mining Barge Bonus per level: +5% Strip Miner and Ice Harvester optimal range -4% Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration
Exhumer Bonus per level: +4% Shield resistances -3% Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration
Effective Yield = 1 / (1 - Mining Barge 5 * 4%) * 1 / (1 - Exhumers 5 * 3%) = 1.0625 or +6.25% yield |
Grendaran
Celestial Tomb TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:51:00 -
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Jinmotofu wrote:I would like to thank CCP for Nurfing the Yeld of all the Exhumers! the Hulk is NOT the yeld king anymore!
Regardless, it is all Free Ore if you are mining it yourself |
Bronson Hughes
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:29:00 -
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CCP clearly stated that they were changing the nature of the mining bonuses on Barges and Exhumers to keep them more uniform. This means that instead of having a higher raw yield, the Hulk now has the same base yield, but reduced cycle time.
OP is likely looking at the "Mining Yield" stat on the module while undocked. If this is the case, yes, the Skiff's one laser will have the same yield in m3 as the Hulk's combined 3 lasers.
However, the OP would be well-advised to look at the cycle time on said lasers. The Hulk will have a faster cycle time, so even though the raw mining yield is the same, the Hulk will pull in that volume faster, giving it a bonus to effective yield.
tl;dr version: Hulk's effective mining yield actually got buffed, not nerfed, due to faster cycle times. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I don't avoid getting shot, but I do generally avoid getting shot first. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.16 23:09:00 -
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Man, if you can't figure out how mining faster translates to more rocks in the same period of time I'm really not sure what you're gonna do well in this game. |
Yazzinra
Scorpion Ventures Rim Worlds Protectorate
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Posted - 2014.06.18 13:49:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:Man, if you can't figure out how mining faster translates to more rocks in the same period of time I'm really not sure what you're gonna do well in this game.
Now might be a good time to suggest he apply to GSF. I believe the going rate to process applications is still 300 mil which he will, of course, get back once he's undoubtedly accepted. ;) |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2014.06.18 19:48:00 -
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Jinmotofu wrote:What you all are not seeing is that the Yeld Before Cycle time lost 500m3 off all the Exhumers! no it is you that is missing the point. Yield is not just raw yield. The HULK lost nothing. They only changed how the yield is calculated. your yield is your m3 per minute. If you have 3 ships that extract the exact same amount of ore per cycle, yet the cycles are different amounts of time, they do not have the same yield.
Under the old system some bonuses were to cycle time, most fleet boosts, and others were to the amount extracted per cycle. All they did was change all bonuses to affect cycle time. Under the old system all three mining ships had the same cycle time, but different amounts of ore per cycle depending on bonuses. Now the ore amounts per cycle are the same, with the variation being moved to the cycle times.
It may appear to the unknowing eye that the yields have changed, when in fact they did not. m3 per minute are still about the same, just the way they are calculated has changed.
To take a really simple example, which ship would extract more, the one extracting 15,000m3 at a 3 minute cycle time, or the one that extracts 5,000m3 with a 1 minute cycle time? trick question, they would both have the exact same extraction rate. 5,000m3 per minute would give you 15,000m3 every 3 minutes. the exact same yield.
Cycle time is just as important as the m3 per cycle.
Either you should now understand, or I have been successfully trolled. either way, you are bad at math. |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:27:00 -
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All of which is "moot".
The economy will find it's new equilibrium according to the new mineral production "norm" as Crius becomes "reality".
At which point we can all argue about something else we really can't do anything about.
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe to staff how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Intar Medris
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.21 11:28:00 -
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The yield has increased substantially for the Hulk. 1 min 40 secs to mine 3600m3 with Orca Support.Now times that by two. In one hour I filled my Orca up twice. 50 million ISK worth of minerals after refining. I can't even fit tech 2 crystals yet which could push that to around 4000m3 every 100secs for one Hulk. Compared to the old system this is much better. Best buff mining has received since 2012. Not only are our barges slighty tougher, but now our overall yeild has increased. 50 mil an hour with just two Hulks is pretty good. I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
460
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Posted - 2014.06.22 04:20:00 -
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Brainless Bimbo wrote:
poor troll or stupid, u decide
You ask as if the latter is not a requisite for the former. |
ABC Tekitsu
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.22 06:17:00 -
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Intar Medris wrote:The yield has increased substantially for the Hulk. 1 min 40 secs to mine 3600m3 with Orca Support.Now times that by two. In one hour I filled my Orca up twice. 50 million ISK worth of minerals after refining. I can't even fit tech 2 crystals yet which could push that to around 4000m3 every 100secs for one Hulk. Compared to the old system this is much better. Best buff mining has received since 2012. Not only are our barges slighty tougher, but now our overall yeild has increased. 50 mil an hour with just two Hulks is pretty good. So you do 25mil per hr per account. I make 115 mil just in bounties, per hour, with 1 account, never mind loot and salvage. Man mining really is in a bad way as far as making isks goes. |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
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Posted - 2014.06.22 08:30:00 -
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ABC Tekitsu wrote:Intar Medris wrote:The yield has increased substantially for the Hulk. 1 min 40 secs to mine 3600m3 with Orca Support.Now times that by two. In one hour I filled my Orca up twice. 50 million ISK worth of minerals after refining. I can't even fit tech 2 crystals yet which could push that to around 4000m3 every 100secs for one Hulk. Compared to the old system this is much better. Best buff mining has received since 2012. Not only are our barges slighty tougher, but now our overall yeild has increased. 50 mil an hour with just two Hulks is pretty good. So you do 25mil per hr per account. I make 115 mil just in bounties, per hour, with 1 account, never mind loot and salvage. Man mining really is in a bad way as far as making isks goes.
sounds like its 16 mil an hour cause someone is running a toon to give boosts |
Jiris Yusef
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.22 08:36:00 -
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ABC Tekitsu wrote:Intar Medris wrote:The yield has increased substantially for the Hulk. 1 min 40 secs to mine 3600m3 with Orca Support.Now times that by two. In one hour I filled my Orca up twice. 50 million ISK worth of minerals after refining. I can't even fit tech 2 crystals yet which could push that to around 4000m3 every 100secs for one Hulk. Compared to the old system this is much better. Best buff mining has received since 2012. Not only are our barges slighty tougher, but now our overall yeild has increased. 50 mil an hour with just two Hulks is pretty good. So you do 25mil per hr per account. I make 115 mil just in bounties, per hour, with 1 account, never mind loot and salvage. Man mining really is in a bad way as far as making isks goes.
Super cool story brah, you must be a mad PvP king. |
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