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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:18:00 -
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I'm planning an IPO for sniggwaffe.
What I'm looking for is about 20 billion to start with. Shares will cost 10mil a share. So we'll be releasing 2000 shares to start with.
I can assure you that I understand the market very well. The first round of shares will be used to invest in some prints. I can guarantee a minimum 5% return on your shares each month, with dividends being paid the first of each month.
Once we get a couple nice prints going and things are stable, I will then be shopping for a mothership. When that happens I'll do another offering of 2000 shares at 10 mil a share. That money will be used to procure a mothership along with profits from the first offering.
Then we'll use this mothership to allow us to launch lots of deep 0.0 raids. On these types of raids we typically make about 1 billion a week in profit. Therefore we should be able to sustain 4 billion a month in profits, or roughly 10% a month in returns to the shareholders. With a minimum guarantee of 5% a month on initial stock purchase value.
There will be no business plan other than this. I'll make bi-weekly updates to our progress on the public section of the snigg forums. You really can't lose with this investment. If something happens to me, or my corp, CCP will reimburse your isk.
I'm going to plan for a July 1st IPO. Reserve your shares in this thread.
Shamis
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:23:00 -
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This is, interesting to say the least. At an interesting time at that. I will be watching this thread closely.
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Celestial Manager
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:25:00 -
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I can tell you already, this is going to be a scam.. so reserve your shares now to lose money! :)
Jokes like these get old Shamis Orzoz :)
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Keopa
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:25:00 -
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A pirate corp with an investment plan? Sure, where do I sign up?
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Disir
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:26:00 -
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I'll buy 1 share. Let see how it goes.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Celestial Manager I can tell you already, this is going to be a scam.. so reserve your shares now to lose money! :)
Jokes like these get old Shamis Orzoz :)
This investment is completely risk free. If I steal your isk, ccp will give it back. You can't afford to miss out on this investment.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:28:00 -
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Ok, 1999 shares left.
I won't actually be selling the shares until july 1st. So this is pre-order, to see if the demand will be high enough.
Shamis
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severed
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:36:00 -
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This is no scam. Shamis Orzoz is the most trusted pirate around, and would never rip anyone off. I will also add that his business plan is 100% sound and will surely make great profits
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: severed This is no scam. Shamis Orzoz is the most trusted pirate around, and would never rip anyone off. I will also add that his business plan is 100% sound and will surely make great profits
Okay, a corp mate vouching for you is a bit suspect.
I know Snigg is a very trust worthy corporation and I had dealings with several of their members before, and I doubt they would tarnish their reputation for something like that.
I just don't see this as a workable investment opportunity.
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Drosssk
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus I just don't see this as a workable investment opportunity.
Ever seen what npcers carry for loot in deep 0.0? __________________
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Mi Lai
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Posted - 2006.06.14 05:03:00 -
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Sign me up for 1. Would love to have a Snigg Share.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 05:04:00 -
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1998 shares left.
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Dahin
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Posted - 2006.06.14 05:10:00 -
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I believe I am about to do my best 10mil investment ever. I'll catch up when I log on.
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.14 05:18:00 -
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As someone that's passed Shamis at a gate recently. I can vouch for his trustworthyness and determination to make this IPO a resounding success.
Invest with confidence! --
Carebear > Why'd you do that? I just got that ship! Pirate > I just got that ammo, do you hear me whining? |
burek
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Posted - 2006.06.14 05:25:00 -
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Shamis is either taking a **** or is serious. I doubt that this is a scam.
In case that he is ****ed off enough to not give a **** any more and wants to scam you, who cares when CCP will refund all.
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Lisa Payne
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Posted - 2006.06.14 05:46:00 -
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First you complain about how unfair it was that sve victims got repayed, and how the scammer got screwed, and then you try it yourself, go back to the crime and punishment forum.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.14 05:58:00 -
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I'll take one
CCP will protect meh!
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:05:00 -
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1997 Shares left.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 14/06/2006 06:12:41
Originally by: Lisa Payne go back to the crime and punishment forum.
The only CRIME would be not buying these shares. They are 100% backed by CCP. Worst case scenario its a break even investment. But I can assure you that I know how to make money.
I did a little T1 production on the side a few months back, and easily made between 300-500 mil a week. With some T2 prints this corporation AND its stock will be worth tons and tons of isk.
Shamis
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:33:00 -
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everyone should buy sniggwaffe shares.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE ANYWAYS.
i want to reserve one too, btw. i want to see what having a share of a corp looks like ---------
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 14/06/2006 06:12:41
Originally by: Lisa Payne go back to the crime and punishment forum.
The only CRIME would be not buying these shares. They are 100% backed by CCP. Worst case scenario its a break even investment. But I can assure you that I know how to make money.
I did a little T1 production on the side a few months back, and easily made between 300-500 mil a week. With some T2 prints this corporation AND its stock will be worth tons and tons of isk.
Shamis
Oh sign me up for 2.
You can't lose a cent! Your investment is CCP insured. _____
There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Drosssk
Originally by: Aeaus I just don't see this as a workable investment opportunity.
Ever seen what npcers carry for loot in deep 0.0?
I know what the carry, well at least what some do.
I just don't see the need for using a mothership to do what smaller ships do just fine. Now if you were offering to take some 0.0 territory with the isk gained, well then I would support that more for the drama factor.
I'll take one share as well, can't hurt.
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Aeaus on 14/06/2006 06:40:35 [Double Post]
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 14/06/2006 07:04:00
Originally by: Aeaus I just don't see the need for using a mothership to do what smaller ships do just fine. Now if you were offering to take some 0.0 territory with the isk gained, well then I would support that more for the drama factor.
The mothership will make our 0.0 raids much more effective. We can bring a mothership full of HAC's into any 0.0 region almost completely risk free. Then we can all fly out to it in inty's or even clone jump out to it.
While we're out doing what we do to the locals of the area, we can return to the mothership every few hours/days and restock on ammo and make loot drops.
One of the fundamental rules or piracy is to drop off loot as often as possible. But when you're out in the middle of hostile 0.0 space, you don't have the option to dock. So refitting, and dropping loot are not options.
The mothership will allow me to bring spare hacs, lots of spare ammo, and some different fittings that we can use while "on the road". And it will also allow us to move all of our valuable loot back to base with 100% ZERO risk.
Trust me, buying shares in snigg is one of the most exciting investments around. And you'll own your own little slice of snigg. There's something to be said for that.
Also, if we gank you while you're npc'ing, you can take comfort in knowing that you'll be getting back some of the loot drop in your monthly dividend.
Shamis
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 14/06/2006 07:04:00
Originally by: Aeaus I just don't see the need for using a mothership to do what smaller ships do just fine. Now if you were offering to take some 0.0 territory with the isk gained, well then I would support that more for the drama factor.
The mothership will make our 0.0 raids much more effective. We can bring a mothership full of HAC's into any 0.0 region almost completely risk free. Then we can all fly out to it in inty's or even clone jump out to it.
While we're out doing what we do to the locals of the area, we can return to the mothership every few hours/days and restock on ammo and make loot drops.
One of the fundamental rules or piracy is to drop off loot as often as possible. But when you're out in the middle of hostile 0.0 space, you don't have the option to dock. So refitting, and dropping loot are not options.
The mothership will allow me to bring spare hacs, lots of spare ammo, and some different fittings that we can use while "on the road". And it will also allow us to move all of our valuable loot back to base with 100% ZERO risk.
Trust me, buying shares in snigg is one of the most exciting investments around. And you'll own your own little slice of snigg. There's something to be said for that.
Also, if we gank you while you're npc'ing, you can take comfort in knowing that you'll be getting back some of the loot drop in your monthly dividend.
Shamis
Interesting concepts, send me an evemail when it goes active.
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Nordvargr
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:19:00 -
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Shamis Orzoz is an honorable man and SniggWaffe is a trustworthy corp I would do business with. I heartily encourage everyone to invest in this fail-safe, risk-free business plan.
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:22:00 -
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I will take 50 but tentatively for now. Gonna hit CCP up for some isk later hopefully. Ill get back to you.
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Michael Nester
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:27:00 -
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im totally buying a sniggwaffe share sign me up
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Thut'ankh Amon
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:59:00 -
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sign me up for one share Shamis
There can be only one Amon
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Milo Deadstar
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Posted - 2006.06.14 08:30:00 -
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I wholeheartedly endorse this amazing proposal and encourage fellow members of this fine forum community to take advantage of the risk-free chance to get rich!
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Richard Face
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Posted - 2006.06.14 08:36:00 -
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even though you shot at me a couple of times I trust you implicitly because you sound like the people on the tv i will buy 10 shares IF you GUARANTEE that the first mothership will be called the S.S. Pinkuu Cuddlebear AND it will only ever be used to go to chokepoint 0.0 systems to spread good cheer and huggles
AGREE TO MY TERMS because CCP will ENFORCE THEM ~~~you have been warned~~~
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Menkaure
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Posted - 2006.06.14 08:38:00 -
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Why do I get the feeling that you're doing this as a way to give CCP and the IPO "community" the middle finger, based upon your reaction to the SVE refund?
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Richard Face
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Posted - 2006.06.14 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Menkaure Why do I get the feeling that you're doing this as a way to give CCP and the IPO "community" the middle finger, based upon your reaction to the SVE refund?
listen here mr suspicion shamis is a fine upstanding member of the eve community who has made many postings and i heartily endorse his product and/or service how could you question his motives i mean wow just wow
ok shamis you can stop warp scrambling my freighter now
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Mox Trident
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Posted - 2006.06.14 08:51:00 -
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Please reserve 10 shares for me.
After reading about CCP's new stance on IPO scams conducted through the forums, I know I'll get my 200m isk back if Shamis runs off with my ISK!
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Dumus
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Posted - 2006.06.14 08:53:00 -
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Dumus would like one share, the only reasons are a. would be nice to have one and b. If it is a scam I been scammed by Snigg, which is kinda cool
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.14 08:53:00 -
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yawn
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.06.14 08:54:00 -
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omg i've never invested in IPOs before as they were obviously only built on trust and scamming was running rampant. but now that they're totally risk-free and CCP will refund me if you try to scam the investors i can buy 10 shares and wait for the guaranteed profit!
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: stingy CEO on 14/06/2006 09:06:08
you stupid fracking morons.
How exactly is this little 'statement' going to help ?
Did you retards ever stop to think that the people that got re- imbursed did in most cases not even ASK for that, try training reading skill you ****. What the formu ho's have been trying to do in the last 48 hrs is to make CCP implement new elements into the game. There was a great discussio n going on and in comes the crowd and now wxe have pGge after page of 'ZOMGREFUNDENDOFEVE' and all that garbage.
Instead of doing something productive , I have to come read this slime, waste of bandwith !
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: stingy CEO Edited by: stingy CEO on 14/06/2006 09:06:08
you stupid fracking morons.
How exactly is this little 'statement' going to help ?
Did you retards ever stop to think that the people that got re- imbursed did in most cases not even ASK for that, try training reading skill you ****. What the formu ho's have been trying to do in the last 48 hrs is to make CCP implement new elements into the game. There was a great discussio n going on and in comes the crowd and now wxe have pGge after page of 'ZOMGREFUNDENDOFEVE' and all that garbage.
Instead of doing something productive , I have to come read this slime, waste of bandwith !
noone blames you for getting reimbursed it's the GMs..
and now shush i want profit from my risk-free investment
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Arktaos
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:11:00 -
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crappy idea for a crappy ipo.
I'll take 1 snigg share please ^^
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:14:00 -
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Quote:
noone blames you for getting reimbursed
I DIDNT get reimbursed !
You think the way to act now is to put up some mock IPO just to grief the overworked GM's? I never said the refund was a good thing, but those people are trying to do their JOBS , and we are trying to find ways to improve a GAME.
This thread is a cynical middle finger that signifies nothing, accomplishes nothing, and we all got dumber fo just reading it !
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: stingy CEO
Quote:
noone blames you for getting reimbursed
I DIDNT get reimbursed !
You think the way to act now is to put up some mock IPO just to grief the overworked GM's? I never said the refund was a good thing, but those people are trying to do their JOBS , and we are trying to find ways to improve a GAME.
This thread is a cynical middle finger that signifies nothing, accomplishes nothing, and we all got dumber fo just reading it !
speak for yourself i can't get any more dumber ^^
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:22:00 -
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I would have invested in this if it hadn't been for Shamis Orzoz spamming every other thread about the IPO scam/reimbursement with links to this thread.
Just makes you look like a cheap, spamming ***** Shamis, and I know Snigg are better than that.
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Thut'ankh Amon
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: stingy CEO
Quote:
noone blames you for getting reimbursed
I DIDNT get reimbursed !
You think the way to act now is to put up some mock IPO just to grief the overworked GM's? I never said the refund was a good thing, but those people are trying to do their JOBS , and we are trying to find ways to improve a GAME.
This thread is a cynical middle finger that signifies nothing, accomplishes nothing, and we all got dumber fo just reading it !
please speak for yourself, i dont care if those people got reimbursed or not i want a snigg share
There can be only one Amon
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Active1313
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: stingy CEO Edited by: stingy CEO on 14/06/2006 09:06:08
you stupid fracking morons.
How exactly is this little 'statement' going to help ?
Did you retards ever stop to think that the people that got re- imbursed did in most cases not even ASK for that, try training reading skill you ****. What the formu ho's have been trying to do in the last 48 hrs is to make CCP implement new elements into the game. There was a great discussio n going on and in comes the crowd and now wxe have pGge after page of 'ZOMGREFUNDENDOFEVE' and all that garbage.
Instead of doing something productive , I have to come read this slime, waste of bandwith !
Noone made you read this, you did that of your own free will.
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:47:00 -
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Quote: Noone made you read this, you did that of your own free will.
Got me on a technicallity, i should've written 'have to sort through all this slime, before i can find the decent thoughtful posts'
You really do not want to get into discussion about 'free will' right now tbh.
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Ferrosa
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Posted - 2006.06.14 10:00:00 -
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This thread is too funny...
Now that CCP has given back the ISK from the latest scam, people now think it is totally A-okay to invest into anything and give their iskies to pirates... I don't care if they're respected pirates or not. They will use the money to buy a mothership, have fun on their own, make lots of cash...
Maybe they'll hand out a dividend once or twice, but what stops them of running away with all of the money after the second dividend, when all of the shares have been switched hands numerous times over different people. Not everyone will get refunded, people will get scammed and CCP won't be able to reimburse everyone, because the GM's would find it impossible to trace back all the shareholders. The GM's have enough work as it is, without having to investigate the paper trail on all those new "GIEV US TEH ISK, RISK FREE OMG!!11" IPO's that will come popping out in the upcoming days.
We had a good discussion going on in the other threads about how CCP could perhaps implement a new way of trading shares and making a business out of it, but this is completely silly.
I totally agree with Stingy when I say, don't trust these guys, nothing has changed to the system and CCP WONT be able to reimburse all losses (which up untill now, they still haven't, since stingy and several others haven't gotten their money back)
Trust them if you know them. Trust them if you think this is a good business plan. Trust them if you friend said to you: "these guys are really looking into this and they know what they are talking about, they will be able to provide that 5% dividend"
Don't trust them because some GM's refunded some people in some IPO. Remember all other scam IPO's, and remember the people that still didn't get reimbursed.
My motto still is: "If you can't afford to lose it, don't invest in it"
And don't come whining afterwards when they do scam you out of it.¦
That's all I'm gonna say about this whole scamming affaire.
If you want to see some corps that have been setting a good example, check out the EGSE
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Lisa Payne
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Posted - 2006.06.14 10:37:00 -
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I have no problems with pirates investing in a pirate run IPO. just leave us honest folks outside of this.
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Traeon
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Posted - 2006.06.14 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Traeon on 14/06/2006 10:43:06 Buy Sniggshares
CCP is holding your hand, nothing can go wrong
Profit will exceed your wildest expectations, my friends.
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Cervalan
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Posted - 2006.06.14 10:53:00 -
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Won't touch this with someone else's 10' bargepole.
I'm not sure if all or some people got refunded from the IPO scam nor if CCP would guarantee paying out in the future. (Which I doubt.)
So I'm left with trusting the word of a pirate which, even if I did, would mean giving them my isk. No thanks.
------ Economics 101 for the hard of thinking. Hazlett Economics in 1 lesson Rothbard Economics |
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.14 11:08:00 -
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lol, this forum is a funny as ships & mods
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Richard Face
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Posted - 2006.06.14 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ferrosa This thread is too funny...
Now that CCP has given back the ISK from the latest scam, people now think it is totally A-okay to invest into anything and give their iskies to pirates... I don't care if they're respected pirates or not. They will use the money to buy a mothership, have fun on their own, make lots of cash...
Maybe they'll hand out a dividend once or twice, but what stops them of running away with all of the money after the second dividend, when all of the shares have been switched hands numerous times over different people. Not everyone will get refunded, people will get scammed and CCP won't be able to reimburse everyone, because the GM's would find it impossible to trace back all the shareholders. The GM's have enough work as it is, without having to investigate the paper trail on all those new "GIEV US TEH ISK, RISK FREE OMG!!11" IPO's that will come popping out in the upcoming days.
We had a good discussion going on in the other threads about how CCP could perhaps implement a new way of trading shares and making a business out of it, but this is completely silly.
I totally agree with Stingy when I say, don't trust these guys, nothing has changed to the system and CCP WONT be able to reimburse all losses (which up untill now, they still haven't, since stingy and several others haven't gotten their money back)
Trust them if you know them. Trust them if you think this is a good business plan. Trust them if you friend said to you: "these guys are really looking into this and they know what they are talking about, they will be able to provide that 5% dividend"
Don't trust them because some GM's refunded some people in some IPO. Remember all other scam IPO's, and remember the people that still didn't get reimbursed.
My motto still is: "If you can't afford to lose it, don't invest in it"
And don't come whining afterwards when they do scam you out of it.¦
That's all I'm gonna say about this whole scamming affaire.
If you want to see some corps that have been setting a good example, check out the EGSE
why you can only trust to their honesty, if the game mechanics don't allow those of us who were dropped on our heads when we were younger to understand what we are getting into then it is up to ccp to bail us out surely?
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.14 11:12:00 -
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Crux Australis
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Posted - 2006.06.14 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ferrosa ...
Do you seriously think that the OP was being *serious* about this IPO when he wrote this thread?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Originally by: Frezik Detaurus isn't a person. It's a state of mind.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.06.14 11:38:00 -
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I take 10 shares, please.
They are absolutely risk free and extremely profitable, and pirates are cool anyway. Even if Mr. Orzoz gets drunk, and aggros the entirety of BoB in his mothership filled to the brink with zydrine, not only will CCP refund your absolutely secure venture capital, no, they will even make sure that many famous people tell you that you had NO way to defend against it! All because Scams are not allowed on the forums! (ok, i made that up, they *MAY* not be allowed on the forums, according to official wording, but whatever)
Those shares are selling so fast - get in now before its too late!
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Dafuzz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 12:32:00 -
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I will buy a few shares from you Shamis.
Just make sure you come and assault Delve, we are quite bored. And we drop good loot! --
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 12:50:00 -
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Try to be specific about how many shares you actually want to purchase. Once I hit about 1000 pre-ordered shares then I'll know that we have enough to run with this idea.
And i can assure you all, this is no scam. I'm not a scammer. And I'm better at carebearing than the average IPO investor.
Shamis
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Schroni
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Posted - 2006.06.14 12:56:00 -
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i'll take 5 shares please ---
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Traeon
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Posted - 2006.06.14 13:04:00 -
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I assure you Jenny, we do have an up and running business already.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.14 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 14/06/2006 12:57:20
This isnt an IPO. You can only call it an IPO when you have a working business. You create IPO to increase your initial start up capital. At this moment, you are asking for venture capitalists, VCs.
EDIT: O'Mara's was an IPO.
You are claiming that I don't have a working business? What exactly is a working business?
I made approximately 10 billion isk in the last 3 months of eve. And this was on the side while I was running a training corporation and a pirate corporation AND doing lots of PvPing. This was also with an initial investment of only 4 billion isk.
Anyway, there will be plenty other investors I'm sure. Not everybody will profit from Sniggwaffe stock...only the people who buy it.
Shamis
I would buy 100 shares but I would like to see a weekly financial report in the last 3 months. Considering you are planning to open up your business on the 1st of July, I doubt I can see any financial report. Simplying what I am trying to say is, if you have been producing proper financial reports from now until the next 3 months, I will definitely invest in your business venture.
Not criticising but just pointing out IPO and VC are a bit different. Sorry for nit picking a bit. >_< ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Farewell forumers and lovely mods.
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Havelcek
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Posted - 2006.06.14 13:15:00 -
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Oh Shamis I don't know if this is going to work...your investors don't include the people who can get CCP's attention. This will probably be one of the 99.999999% of the scams in EVE that doesn't get any notice.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.14 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Havelcek Oh Shamis I don't know if this is going to work...your investors don't include the people who can get CCP's attention.
But he claims the opposite: that they hate him though.
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Kussoth
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Posted - 2006.06.14 14:03:00 -
[63]
I would like one share
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 14:07:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
if you have been producing proper financial reports from now until the next 3 months, I will definitely invest in your business venture.
Once I get my time machine.
But for now All I can tell you is that I will start posting financial reports every 2 weeks, once there are publicly held shares.
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Keopa
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Posted - 2006.06.14 14:13:00 -
[65]
I'll buy 2 shares.
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Nahia Senne
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Posted - 2006.06.14 14:23:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Havelcek Oh Shamis I don't know if this is going to work...your investors don't include the people who can get CCP's attention. This will probably be one of the 99.999999% of the scams in EVE that doesn't get any notice.
are you saying that nobody can produce a whine of magnitude we have seen in the last few days? i beg to differ.
one share pls Shamis. i get isk either way and with some luck i might also get a chance to whine on forums.
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.06.14 14:44:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Nira Li on 14/06/2006 14:45:52
Originally by: stingy CEO Edited by: stingy CEO on 14/06/2006 09:06:08
you stupid fracking morons.
How exactly is this little 'statement' going to help ?
Did you retards ever stop to think that the people that got re- imbursed did in most cases not even ASK for that, try training reading skill you ****. What the formu ho's have been trying to do in the last 48 hrs is to make CCP implement new elements into the game. There was a great discussio n going on and in comes the crowd and now wxe have pGge after page of 'ZOMGREFUNDENDOFEVE' and all that garbage.
Instead of doing something productive , I have to come read this slime, waste of bandwith !
Leave the thread troll
Also I'm interested in getting some shares will see later if I'll buy a few
You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.06.14 14:49:00 -
[68]
Sign me up for 1 share good Snigg Sir.
I would also like an option for 1 more share pr corporation that partakes in a month-long station camp of Jenny Spitfire - but only if it can be confirmed that the character has even undocked.
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Manion Taleroth
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Posted - 2006.06.14 15:00:00 -
[69]
Put me down for a share.
Taleroth Scavenging - "Leave no can behind." |
B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.06.14 15:18:00 -
[70]
good luck ---
new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u. *Imaran hands B0rn2KiLL a fork - Come get some!11
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Kiriz Zule
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Posted - 2006.06.14 15:36:00 -
[71]
***** The following advertisement has been for by your loot.*****
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I have seen the "Shamis Business Plan" in action and have profited from it my self. I went in on one week long "Asset Redistribution Initiative".
For the simple investment of 1 Claw, I was able to pull in 120 million!!! That is 600% profit!
With a mothership, I could see returns of 1000% or better (of course after share holders dividends).
Act Now. If you purchase a share in the next 60 minutes, you may be eligible to win a limited run "I helped Kiriz kill people and profited off it" T-shirt.
But wait, theres more.... Not only will you make money, but you will also help in development of Sniggwaffe, a corp dedicated to helping some of the newer members of the EVE Community kill people, not 1, not 2, but sometimes as much as 3 years older than them! Not only will you profit, but you can also call this a charitable donation!!!!
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.06.14 16:56:00 -
[72]
Some of you may think Shamis is joking but this is indeed a genuine IPO
He has turned into quite a carebear as of late I am proud to be a part of the first pirate corperation to go public
Ill take 10 shares please Want to be a pirate? Join Sniggwaffe |
Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:16:00 -
[73]
Most of the praise seems to be from corp members.
I'm not against this if this is a genuine IPO with no scam intentions, but I don't like the tone of the thread adopted.
Firstly, you are saying that 'don't worry, if I scam you, CCP will reimburse you'. Well, you don't know that. This was a one off case, and there has been no official word from CCP. But what matters more is that you're already acting as if you'll scam but that it doesn't matter.
Secondly, I don't know who you are, or your reputation, be it good or bad. I know what I see.
And I see that you have posted a very primitive and short business plan with no precise figures, and that you probably spent at most 30 minutes coming up with and writing down. I know that you have been spamming the forums advertising your IPO, which is bad, as good IPOs don't need much publicity. I know that your numbers are pretty wild.
What happens if your mothership is blown up?
What if the political situation in eve changes so radically your plan fails, for example the land you were previously using or were planning to use was taken over by hostile forces that overwhelm you 10:1?
Crazy you might say? No, just a few possible eventualities that you have no way of securing against, or at least haven't mentioned any. And then the prints: have you had any experience in manufacturing? What blueprints are you aiming for? Tech II? Tech I? You haven't even said.
Also, a lot of the talk here praising your IPO has been blind and wild praise, as if you paid them or they are your friends, or maybe alts. Something to improve perhaps? My Blog with freighter services/preliminary IPO business plan
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Xandalex
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:20:00 -
[74]
Sounds interesting. I'll take 10.
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Crackfarmer
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:22:00 -
[75]
I am very interested in this 100% risk-free venture and would like to reserve 2 shares, safe in the knowledge that CCP will reimburse me if this turns out to be a scam.
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:28:00 -
[76]
Originally by: *****farmer I am very interested in this 100% risk-free venture and would like to reserve 2 shares, safe in the knowledge that CCP will reimburse me if this turns out to be a scam.
I'll repeat again. You may or may not be reimbursed. This is at the GMs discretion, and seeing all the problems that occured when they reimbursed (partially!) the previous SVE scam, this may not happen again. My Blog with freighter services/preliminary IPO business plan
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Salazar N'terre
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:30:00 -
[77]
Quote: *Clarification: Scams involving characters transfers and ETC's are not allowed and will have repercussions in game. Other scams MAY have in game repercussions, at the GMs discretion.
where do you guys get 100% from a "May" have in game repercussions. at discretion sure doesnt sound like you will get back your money, its like flipping a coind and hoping for heads.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:30:00 -
[78]
This IPO seems to be a standard buy-BPO-and-produce case, nothing wrong with that, but the follow-up IPO does raise a few questions. This thread isn't about that IPO but your own risk assesment concerning that IPO does relate to the chances of succes of the first one. And from what I can see is that the 2nd IPO is based on quite a few variables and ifs. And that makes me put a few questionmarks at your qualifications to run even a casual IPO.
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Crackfarmer
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:31:00 -
[79]
Edited by: *****farmer on 14/06/2006 17:32:39
Originally by: Exelsior I'll repeat again. You may or may not be reimbursed. This is at the GMs discretion, and seeing all the problems that occured when they reimbursed (partially!) the previous SVE scam, this may not happen again.
Why hesitate? Carpe Diem! Our money is insured by CCP. You've seen it yourself. I mean, why would the GMs treat some people differently? Obviously this is their new policy.
I think you should buy five shares because imagine the returns! Lucky us this is completely free of risk.
edit: I assume the above quote is incorrect because it would make no sense to reimburse big-name people and not the little ones. I hardly think CCP hate us that much.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Exelsior Most of the praise seems to be from corp members.
I'm not against this if this is a genuine IPO with no scam intentions, but I don't like the tone of the thread adopted.
Firstly, you are saying that 'don't worry, if I scam you, CCP will reimburse you'. Well, you don't know that. This was a one off case, and there has been no official word from CCP. But what matters more is that you're already acting as if you'll scam but that it doesn't matter.
Secondly, I don't know who you are, or your reputation, be it good or bad. I know what I see.
And I see that you have posted a very primitive and short business plan with no precise figures, and that you probably spent at most 30 minutes coming up with and writing down. I know that you have been spamming the forums advertising your IPO, which is bad, as good IPOs don't need much publicity. I know that your numbers are pretty wild.
What happens if your mothership is blown up?
What if the political situation in eve changes so radically your plan fails, for example the land you were previously using or were planning to use was taken over by hostile forces that overwhelm you 10:1?
Crazy you might say? No, just a few possible eventualities that you have no way of securing against, or at least haven't mentioned any. And then the prints: have you had any experience in manufacturing? What blueprints are you aiming for? Tech II? Tech I? You haven't even said.
Also, a lot of the talk here praising your IPO has been blind and wild praise, as if you paid them or they are your friends, or maybe alts. Something to improve perhaps?
I agree with everything Exelsior has said. ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html |
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Treylis
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:33:00 -
[81]
Haha, I can hardly say no to this. I'll take a share.
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Yumi Katanawe
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:35:00 -
[82]
Considering you just got scammed 500 million if I were you I'd reserve my opinion to myself.
The recent scam just showed the way this forum and it's most prominent lurkers judge trust is flawed and easily exploitable. I'd suggest you quit on advicing people for a while; you see not everyone gets money reimbursed - while you do.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:36:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Exelsior
Secondly, I don't know who you are, or your reputation, be it good or bad. I know what I see.
Maybe you can arrange a meeting and show Exelsior how the business works so he gets to know you better and can properly appraise the risk of this undertaking.
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:39:00 -
[84]
Originally by: *****farmer Edited by: *****farmer on 14/06/2006 17:32:39
Originally by: Exelsior I'll repeat again. You may or may not be reimbursed. This is at the GMs discretion, and seeing all the problems that occured when they reimbursed (partially!) the previous SVE scam, this may not happen again.
Why hesitate? Carpe Diem! Our money is insured by CCP. You've seen it yourself. I mean, why would the GMs treat some people differently? Obviously this is their new policy.
I think you should buy five shares because imagine the returns! Lucky us this is completely free of risk.
edit: I assume the above quote is incorrect because it would make no sense to reimburse big-name people and not the little ones. I hardly think CCP hate us that much.
The quote is correct. This is the first time a reimbursement has happened, and probably the scammer posting an out of game 'You are an idiot' link was one of the reasons.
Also, interestingly, or funnily enough, 90% of the replies saying 'I'll take a share, we're 100% insured by CCP remember!' all follow the same template... My Blog with freighter services/preliminary IPO business plan
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:42:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Exelsior on 14/06/2006 17:44:19
Originally by: Yumi Katanawe Considering you just got scammed 500 million if I were you I'd reserve my opinion to myself.
The recent scam just showed the way this forum and it's most prominent lurkers judge trust is flawed and easily exploitable. I'd suggest you quit on advicing people for a while; you see not everyone gets money reimbursed - while you do.
I know I was scammed. All i'm doing is highlighting the faults in his business plan, and noting the fact that a lot of people haven't noticed that CCP has put a 'may' in the reimbursement policy. I have indeed quitted on advising people unless i'm asked for advice, or I can't withstand from posting in threads like this.
Also, I never asked to be reimbursed, and I don't know what went wrong with the partial reimbursement but I assure you it's not my fault My Blog with freighter services/preliminary IPO business plan
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Bodhisattvas
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:51:00 -
[86]
Hey Shamis,
Put me down for 2 shares please.
Thanks
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Cherybol
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:52:00 -
[87]
CCP msut either hate us because of these kinds of threads, or they are laughing there ass off because they arn't going to reimburse IPO scams anymore.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:53:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Exelsior Firstly, you are saying that 'don't worry, if I scam you, CCP will reimburse you'. Well, you don't know that. This was a one off case, and there has been no official word from CCP. But what matters more is that you're already acting as if you'll scam but that it doesn't matter.
If CCP retracts their refund policy publicly then I'll retract my 100% risk free claims. I know there is no risk to investors, but I will have a hard time proving it to the general public. That is where CCP comes in.
Originally by: Exelsior Secondly, I don't know who you are, or your reputation, be it good or bad. I know what I see.
You should get out more. I run one of the oldest and well respected pirate organizations in EVE. I have never killed anybody who payed my ransoms, I have never ripped off my corp mates. You can read up on me in the next EON issue. Not sure exactly when its due to be released, but there should be a feature in there about me.
Originally by: Exelsior And I see that you have posted a very primitive and short business plan with no precise figures, and that you probably spent at most 30 minutes coming up with and writing down. I know that you have been spamming the forums advertising your IPO, which is bad, as good IPOs don't need much publicity. I know that your numbers are pretty wild.
I'm not an accountant, I'm a PvP'er. But I know how to make money. I"m a very busy man in game, and I have no time to write out a 10 page business plan which will be full of crap anyway. You give me money, I invest it, I pay dividends that's how it works. If somebody can come in here and show evidence that I don't know how to manage my money then I can try to rebuke them. But any sort of formal details on what I've done or will do can be easily faked anyway. You have to trust in my abilities and my character.
Originally by: Exelsior What happens if your mothership is blown up?
I can assure you that this won't happen. CCP was kind enough to make them immune to EW. The only way to hold one down is via interdiction spheres. And as long as I log out before I'm aggro'd I can easily get away from them. Not that I support logging out in combat. But if its for the sake of the stockholders I will do it.
Originally by: Exelsior What if the political situation in eve changes so radically your plan fails, for example the land you were previously using or were planning to use was taken over by hostile forces that overwhelm you 10:1?
We're always outnumbered. We won't be conquering any land. We'll be moving around swiftly, employing guerilla tactics to 'harvest' the land. NPC'ers and miners in deep space are heavily laden with Cap recharger 2's and all sorts of nice officer mods. We'll mostly be using vagabonds and interdictors, both of which are easily capable of evading blobs.
Originally by: Exelsior And then the prints: have you had any experience in manufacturing? What blueprints are you aiming for? Tech II? Tech I? You haven't even said.
You clearly haven't read this thread. I've stated several times that I made a lot of money on T1 production. I currently own 3 nicely researched battlecruiser bpo's, and I recently sold a covetor bpo. I was able to earn an average of about 13% per isk spent on minerals per week on these bpo's. And I ran billions of isk worth of mins through them each week. I still have these prints to fall back on while I'm shopping for the right t2 bpo's. I also just purchased an me18 dominix bpo which I will be taking to me20. The t1 bs bpc market is booming these days for those of you who haven't been watching...(noobs).
Originally by: Exelsior Also, a lot of the talk here praising your IPO has been blind and wild praise, as if you paid them or they are your friends, or maybe alts. Something to improve perhaps?
Agreed. I'll have to look for some respected third parties that will vouch for me. Stay tuned for that.
Shamis
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Saint Schala
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Posted - 2006.06.14 17:55:00 -
[89]
10 shares plz
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Poolpy
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Posted - 2006.06.14 18:01:00 -
[90]
I reserve 5 shares, I'm quite curious to see the snigg in action with a mothership
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.06.14 18:01:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Exelsior Firstly, you are saying that 'don't worry, if I scam you, CCP will reimburse you'. Well, you don't know that. This was a one off case, and there has been no official word from CCP. But what matters more is that you're already acting as if you'll scam but that it doesn't matter.
If CCP retracts their refund policy publicly then I'll retract my 100% risk free claims. I know there is no risk to investors, but I will have a hard time proving it to the general public. That is where CCP comes in.
Thanks for answering a few of my concerns, nice reply
However, CCP cannot retract what they never implemented, if you read the forum rules for scamming until the SVE scam it said NO refunds, and now it says there MAY be a refund. You cannot interpret 'may' as 100% certain.
I'll be looking forward for further developements My Blog with freighter services/preliminary IPO business plan
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Black 1
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Posted - 2006.06.14 18:11:00 -
[92]
Originally by: spurious signal I would have invested in this if it hadn't been for Shamis Orzoz spamming every other thread about the IPO scam/reimbursement with links to this thread.
Just makes you look like a cheap, spamming ***** Shamis, and I know Snigg are better than that.
You either think too much or not enough....
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Nahia Senne
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Posted - 2006.06.14 18:15:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Exelsior However, CCP cannot retract what they never implemented, if you read the forum rules for scamming until the SVE scam it said NO refunds, and now it says there MAY be a refund. You cannot interpret 'may' as 100% certain.
I'll be looking forward for further developements
if CCP suddenly decides that some people "may" and some other people "may" not get their isk back, even tho they are in completely the same situation... forums will become a very fun place.
untill CCP decides to change the "may" rule, i would say that this investment is 100% safe. besides, it is very unlikely that snigg will steal. they have a reputation and this reputation took very long to build.
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Black 1
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Posted - 2006.06.14 18:18:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Havelcek Oh Shamis I don't know if this is going to work...your investors don't include the people who can get CCP's attention. This will probably be one of the 99.999999% of the scams in EVE that doesn't get any notice.
Lets take a moment and reflect on the past three weeks. Think hard here. Ok now that you have reflected on the happenings of the past weeks why would someone bother scamming isk when it has been proven it can easily be looted?
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EMFi Manager
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Posted - 2006.06.14 18:29:00 -
[95]
IPO's aren't risk free, I know of at least 10b spread over at least 3 SVE investors that haven't been reimbursed (yet). Till such a point I think that the risk free claim is invalid.
Alt of Naphtalia EMFI General IPO is CLOSED! |
Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 18:30:00 -
[96]
Originally by: EMFi Manager IPO's aren't risk free, I know of at least 10b spread over at least 3 SVE investors that haven't been reimbursed (yet). Till such a point I think that the risk free claim is invalid.
Wow, that's messed up. I'd petition. Perhaps you didn't forum ***** enough?
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Kalavoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 18:31:00 -
[97]
Put me down for 2 shares please
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Ripp Tyde
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Posted - 2006.06.14 19:02:00 -
[98]
ill take 5 shares...
Anyone who knows me knows i am very honorable and wouldnt be in a corp filled with scammers.
so it gets my seal of approval! Ripp Tyde
DingleBerry Bear
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.06.14 19:32:00 -
[99]
If anyone sees a lack of 'outside the corp' support for this IPO, i'm sure we can scrounge up a little 'pod or post' support if need be. ---------
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.14 19:59:00 -
[100]
How about pod or buy my IPO shares policy?
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 20:10:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Rthor How about pod or buy my IPO shares policy?
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Scarlet Pimpernel
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Posted - 2006.06.14 20:15:00 -
[102]
Put me down for 1 (sorry I'm a broke newb)
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.14 20:37:00 -
[103]
Originally by: mazzilliu If anyone sees a lack of 'outside the corp' support for this IPO, i'm sure we can scrounge up a little 'pod or post' support if need be.
Everyone is already buying one share out of sheer interest, but this idea won't really work in my mind, it's just an interesting concept.
My Guides (Recomended Reading) |
Verite Rendition
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Posted - 2006.06.14 20:47:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Ripp Tyde ill take 5 shares...
Anyone who knows me knows i am very honorable and wouldnt be in a corp filled with scammers.
so it gets my seal of approval!
Hell, if Ripp vouches for it I'll take 1 too. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.14 20:50:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Aeaus Everyone is already buying one share out of sheer interest
That's the whole point.
<obvious>Shamis is smart enough to know that getting large commitments for hundreds of millions per person is unrealistic now. It's better to get it 10m at a time from a lot of people that just want to have a Snigg share in their wallet.
Also, since this would be more of a vanity stock rather than something bought by a serious investor, they're not likely to complain if no dividends are ever paid.</obvious>
Well played Shamis, I hope you can hold everyone to their purchase commitments when the IPO launches. --
Carebear > Why'd you do that? I just got that ship! Pirate > I just got that ammo, do you hear me whining? |
Tom Honk
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Posted - 2006.06.14 21:13:00 -
[106]
Put me down for one share Shamiz.
Every cool cat buys one, so if your cool you gotta buy.
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Night Haunter
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Posted - 2006.06.14 21:20:00 -
[107]
I'll take 1 share, that is if a waffe member can own a share
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.06.14 21:23:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Night Haunter I'll take 1 share, that is if a waffe member can own a share
Anyone can buy a share Want to be a pirate? Join Sniggwaffe |
Nytemaster
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Posted - 2006.06.14 22:30:00 -
[109]
Put me down for ten shares. --- Nytemaster |
Martiina
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Posted - 2006.06.14 23:05:00 -
[110]
I'd like to reserve 5 shares please.
Is there an option to add more shares at a later stage?
--Motarasu
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Maren Kar
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Posted - 2006.06.14 23:23:00 -
[111]
Put me down for 1 share as well
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.14 23:28:00 -
[112]
I'll take 350 shares !
Oh wait this is the mock- IPO that was made by some people that were disgruntled about the refund that happened and are just trying to improve their X - factor....
I'll pass then.
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Wolla
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Posted - 2006.06.14 23:32:00 -
[113]
I know Shamis aint gonna balg any of ya, and i also know how effective he and SNIGG can be at their job. The man knows how to make isk in the most enjoyable way possible in EVE. lets be homest. Anyone who knows who SNIGG is, knows our reputation,... if we didnt do our job in the respectable manner we do, we would have fizzled out long ago. but we are still here since 2003.
for those who said they wanted a running account of what was going on, i believe Shamis advised to collect reports (if enough shares are sold) from Linkage
also feel free to view the methods that your money will be invested here: Movies
considering that your trust (that we will honor our word) is what we thrive on, Our CEO aint exactly gonna jeapordize everything on a whim that will earn him less isk that its worth. and trust me, the amount of isk from this IPO? (whats an IPO?)is pennys compared to the amount he can earn himself. this is an opportunity to get your hands on something. if ya cant afford 10 mil, well.... its a small amount for a bit of a big name. i wipe my rear with 10mil.... even if it does leave me with 9mil in the wallet.. lol
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.14 23:43:00 -
[114]
Originally by: stingy CEO
I'll take 350 shares !
Oh wait this is the mock- IPO that was made by some people that were disgruntled about the refund that happened and are just trying to improve their X - factor....
I'll pass then.
Go away alt troll.
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Romale
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Posted - 2006.06.14 23:58:00 -
[115]
**** it ill take one, one thing youve been is honest
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garishwinner
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Posted - 2006.06.15 00:06:00 -
[116]
heh, 1-10 depending on how lazy i am at typing numbers when y'all go pubpic, if its a scam, having a snig share is well worth it
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Torashuu
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Posted - 2006.06.15 01:00:00 -
[117]
Put me down for one share. :D
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.15 01:32:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: EMFi Manager IPO's aren't risk free, I know of at least 10b spread over at least 3 SVE investors that haven't been reimbursed (yet). Till such a point I think that the risk free claim is invalid.
Wow, that's messed up. I'd petition. Perhaps you didn't forum ***** enough?
I'm pretty sure the primary reason is the fact that many of those people bought the shares with the corp wallet, and thus CCP has to go through an extra step to do the reimbursement.
--Proud member of the [23]--
-WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II- |
Barlaka
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Posted - 2006.06.15 03:24:00 -
[119]
Please put me down for 2 shares. |
Gully Smit
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Posted - 2006.06.15 03:28:00 -
[120]
OMG the stock market will EXPLODE....literally.
sounds great...I'm not ready to buy.
I love the idea of a stock exchange..It is obviously gonna take some hits while developing. companies need to make room for POOR Players with average sized wallets(hint).
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.06.15 04:54:00 -
[121]
Sign me up for one tentative share - the first pirate IPO, I like that .
1st Lieutenant Sakura Nihil CEO, Tharsis Security |
Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.15 05:05:00 -
[122]
People have been a little too vague on how many shares they actually want to reserve.
But as far as I can tell there are still approximately 1825 shares left.
Keep the orders coming people.
Also, I'm actively looking for a trusted 3rd party to broker the sale, if you, or somebody you know is interested in helping out, please let me know.
shamis
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.06.15 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz People have been a little too vague on how many shares they actually want to reserve.
But as far as I can tell there are still approximately 1825 shares left.
Keep the orders coming people.
Also, I'm actively looking for a trusted 3rd party to broker the sale, if you, or somebody you know is interested in helping out, please let me know.
shamis
I can broker sales My Blog with freighter services/preliminary IPO business plan
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J Galt
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Posted - 2006.06.15 09:28:00 -
[124]
Put me down for ten shares.
J Galt
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Rikkard Strofeldt
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Posted - 2006.06.15 10:02:00 -
[125]
I'll take 2. Just for the novelty of undocking from a mothership and scaring the bejeesus outta people when 50+ people enter local at once
Up to date clone: 270,000 Thorax with fittings: 13,000,000 2x SniggWaffe shares: 20,000,000 Scaring the bejeesus out of local when 50 of your corpmates land in a system inside a mothership: PRICELESS
Buy now! I want to hoot around in a mothership. YAY!! --
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Narciss Sevar
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Posted - 2006.06.15 11:58:00 -
[126]
Shamis, i'll take 5 shares mate. ---- "core stabilizers are for MEN! I slap them on like aftershave." - Adrian Steel |
Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.06.15 15:03:00 -
[127]
If I had any money or self-respect I would purchase all remaining shares. Because I love being cradled and swaddled and held safe and protected in CCP's masculine arms.
Unfortunately, I have neither. But I definetly vouch for these guys as amazing businesspeople. Buy now!
ZOMG switching hosting, fantastic sigs back soon
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Wint3rH4wk
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Posted - 2006.06.15 16:12:00 -
[128]
i will take 5 shares shamis ..........
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.15 16:29:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Exelsior
I can broker sales
Is EVE Intergalactic Bank Investments a respected broker of sale? I see you listed in the sticky, so I would guess it is true.
Anyway, I'm trying to convince Freewheeling to broker the sales, if he is not interested then maybe I'll look into your organization.
Shamis
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.15 16:31:00 -
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1803 Shares left.
Keep the orders coming folks. Buy sniggwaffe shares, and watch all of your dreams come true.
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.06.15 16:33:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Exelsior
I can broker sales
Is EVE Intergalactic Bank Investments a respected broker of sale? I see you listed in the sticky, so I would guess it is true.
Anyway, I'm trying to convince Freewheeling to broker the sales, if he is not interested then maybe I'll look into your organization.
Shamis
Eve Intergalactic Bank Investments is a public corporation which was IPO'd a while back. It does nto currently do stock trading. I am however a respected broker at the EGSE as anyone who uses this service will confirm My Blog with freighter services/preliminary IPO business plan
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drako markam
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Posted - 2006.06.15 16:43:00 -
[132]
ill take 5 shamis
a day without blood is like a day without sunshine
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Cartifex
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Posted - 2006.06.15 16:53:00 -
[133]
100 shares
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.15 17:25:00 -
[134]
1698 left.
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Slamdrella
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Posted - 2006.06.15 17:30:00 -
[135]
This sounds like a capital idea (pun intended).
One thing I'm curious about is how do you plan to get a mothership built Due to recent events in various parts of the eve-verse building capitals is a very risky proposition.
Sign me up for 10 shares though!
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.15 18:53:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Slamdrella This sounds like a capital idea (pun intended).
One thing I'm curious about is how do you plan to get a mothership built Due to recent events in various parts of the eve-verse building capitals is a very risky proposition.
Sign me up for 10 shares though!
Slamdrella
I'm looking into this now. But the mothership purchase won't be for a couple months anyway (while we train up the pilot). I realize that capital shipyards seem to be prime target for any of the major powers, so it will be difficult. Because of how highly hunted these shipyards are, I probably won't be able to reveal any of the details of how we'll be getting the mothership until it is finished being built.
Shamis
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Levicus
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Posted - 2006.06.15 19:04:00 -
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I may only be a small swiggle with only ~11m in my account, but I would love to reserve one share.
Hopefully I'll have enough for 2 shares once this happens, but don't hold me to that :)
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.15 19:17:00 -
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In light of CCP's recent decision regarding IPO reimbursement, I'd like to say that i have to retract my 100% guarantee that you wont' lose isk.
If I get hit by a car, you will probably lose your isk. Invest at your own risk.
However, I intend to go forward with the IPO. And I can assure you I will work to make as much money for my corp, and the stockholders as possible.
Shamis
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.06.15 19:26:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Rasitiln on 15/06/2006 19:31:11 Edited by: Rasitiln on 15/06/2006 19:27:09
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz In light of CCP's recent decision regarding IPO reimbursement, I'd like to say that i have to retract my 100% guarantee that you wont' lose isk.
If I get hit by a car, you will probably lose your isk. Invest at your own risk.
However, I intend to go forward with the IPO. And I can assure you I will work to make as much money for my corp, and the stockholders as possible.
Shamis
If anyone has any questions concerning Shamis Orzoz's medical conditions or his likely hood to die with in the next 5 years please eve mail me your number and I will fax over all medical records concerning Mr Shamis Orzoz
Rasitiln MD Want to be a pirate? Join Sniggwaffe |
Keeng Berksa
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:16:00 -
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Hell, i'll take one, for ****s 'n giggles. This is great, and if I make some money even better. I trust Shamis, and I want to see a mothership
1 Share plz kthnx bai
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Avulsion
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:52:00 -
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Will snigg shares be considered a valid form of ransom payment?
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Posted - 2006.06.16 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Avulsion Will snigg shares be considered a valid form of ransom payment?
If people are willing to pay money for them, then yes they should be.
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Richard Face
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Posted - 2006.06.16 01:24:00 -
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ok since CCP replied to my petition with the sad news that there is no way to paint a mothership pink I will be buying only 2 shares :(
If us goonies get a big enough share of Snigg can we borrow the mothership once a month to go to new and interesting places where players much older, more skilled and more respected than us can smartbomb our blobs in new and interesting ways? tia
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.16 01:30:00 -
[144]
I would recomend the EGSE.
My Guides (Recomended Reading) |
Hubris
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Posted - 2006.06.16 01:40:00 -
[145]
I tried to contact Martha Stewart to oversee the operation of the IPO but she wouldn't help us out.
So your money is safe.
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Pelsson
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Posted - 2006.06.16 02:36:00 -
[146]
10 shares for meh.
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Clementina
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Posted - 2006.06.16 04:18:00 -
[147]
The World's first publicly traded piracy corp. Interesting.
Two Questions though?
First; is Crowd Control Productions still underwriting this and other IPOs?
and Second; Does owning shares in a pirate corp (assuming dividends will actually be paid ofcourse) make you a pirate?
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Nytemaster
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Posted - 2006.06.16 05:02:00 -
[148]
Originally by: stingy CEO
I'll take 350 shares !
Oh wait this is the mock- IPO that was made by some people that were disgruntled about the refund that happened and are just trying to improve their X - factor....
I'll pass then.
Quit spamming an IPO thread with nonsense. If you don't want to buy it, don't. Simple. --- Nytemaster |
Krazoul
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Posted - 2006.06.16 08:31:00 -
[149]
I'll take 20.
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Perideous
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Posted - 2006.06.16 08:47:00 -
[150]
Owning stock in the mafia of eve does sound cool ... I'll take 5
yarr!
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sheng wo
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Posted - 2006.06.16 09:05:00 -
[151]
shamiz .. i will take 2 shares..
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.16 09:05:00 -
[152]
Edited by: stingy CEO on 16/06/2006 09:10:17
Quote: Quit spamming an IPO thread with nonsense. If you don't want to buy it, don't. Simple.
You know what is nonsense ? Someone in the OP referring to 'I understand the market very well', then stating that he will need 20 billion to buy some prints where he will guarantee a minimum of 5 % on (pathetic, but thats not the point), and then needs ANOTHER 20 bil to 'produce a mothership'.....
Motherships don't even cost 20 bil, specialized corp can produce them and sell at +- 13 bil. but to PRODUCE one yourself, you don't need 20 bil, because that would only cover cost for the ship bpo, you need component bpo's, you need sovereignity in a system, and you need to send hundreds and hundreds of hauler trips to the pos in the system to start the construction/ do the carrier trick until you crash a node.
His whole business plan REEKS.
here it is dimmed down :
Hey give me 20 bil : I buy inty bpo and keep 50 % of the monthly profit, you get the other 50%, this way I will build up your trust, then I will ask for an extra 20 bil, buy a few dreads + a mothership for my corp with it, and I then get to make everyone kiss my feet because i scammed the stoopid carebears.
I am willing to bet 100 million that i'm not far from the truth with this. any takers ? Or should i make a IPO about it ?
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:49:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 16/06/2006 14:53:30
Originally by: stingy CEO You know what is nonsense ? Someone in the OP referring to 'I understand the market very well', then stating that he will need 20 billion to buy some prints where he will guarantee a minimum of 5 % on (pathetic, but thats not the point), and then needs ANOTHER 20 bil to 'produce a mothership'.....
Motherships don't even cost 20 bil, specialized corp can produce them and sell at +- 13 bil. but to PRODUCE one yourself, you don't need 20 bil, because that would only cover cost for the ship bpo, you need component bpo's, you need sovereignity in a system, and you need to send hundreds and hundreds of hauler trips to the pos in the system to start the construction/ do the carrier trick until you crash a node.
You just lost all credibility. Nobody is going to sell a mothership for under 18-20 bil, and to build it yourself requires 2x as much money not counting the POS structures.
And the only reason I guarantee 5% is becuase I KNOW that I can make that. I'd rather promise 5% and give you 10% than promise 15% and only be able to pay out 10%.
Originally by: stingy CEO Hey give me 20 bil : I buy inty bpo and keep 50 % of the monthly profit, you get the other 50%, this way I will build up your trust, then I will ask for an extra 20 bil, buy a few dreads + a mothership for my corp with it, and I then get to make everyone kiss my feet because i scammed the stoopid carebears.
I can assure you that my corps and my own reputation is worth more than that to me. If we did follow through and get the mothership, we'd have some T2 prints earning isk every day, and we'd have lots of profits from all the deep space killing. We'd have no good reason for not paying out dividends, and I certainly wouldn't want to tarnish our credibility by hoarding all the isk. My only goal is to have enough isk to PvP every day, and once I have that, then I have no need to hoard isk. I don't suffer from the carebear mentality, of "Oh, I need more and more isk so I can get better stuff so I can get more and more isk so I can...have it"
If at some point we decide that we don't want to deal with the hassle of being a public organization we'll buy back the shares. In which case you will have gotten your initial investment back plus any dividends that were paid out.
Shamis
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Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.06.16 15:54:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz stuff
Shamis, you really serious about this aren't you? I like the plan, I actually predicted these types of IPO's to happen and have space in my portfolio for it... the only thing that holds me back is the following:
"This is the bizplan and I cba to write another one, you will have to do with it"
is there any chance you can write a bit more detailed and concise bizplan.. instead of:
gimme 20b and I will buy a few prints or something and will guarantee 5% or maybe a bit more... then gimme another 20b and I will spend some of it on a mothership and some of it on something else maybe and will do some raid which will probably net 1b/week which sorta-wouldbe 10%
a bit more clear then the above... Also a bit more transparancy:
1) How many shares are total in your corp 2) How many will be public 3) Are the public shares voting 4) Are the non-public shares dividend paying? 5) How many assets do you bring in to account for the non-public shares 6) How are normal ships/losses/loot counted for this..
and lots of more questions...
I respect you and your corp shamis, and I do have room for piracy IPO's but need a better bizplan :P
Are you willing to work this out in more detail (of course in exchange for a nice investment if I like it). Do you need help with this?
Can you give naphtalia your word this isn't a scam, or to prove a point and you are serious? Pirates Honour?
Cheers!
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Clementina
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:33:00 -
[155]
Third Question.
Why should I be sure you will be making money off of this?
I saw you guys come to -V- space two days ago. And while you succeeded in ganking more ships than you lost (The losses were 2, to 12). However, You guys also lost a battleship, while most of our losses were tech 1 frigs (full disclosure, 4 of those frigs belonged to me, got my pod too). I do not conceive of any way to make money off of these type of battles.
However, if you were to become mercenaries, these type of fights might be just what the doctor ordered. It was very disruptive and caused a lot of stress. So I ask if you guys would be willing to take mercenary contracts should you go public?
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:36:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Rasitiln on 16/06/2006 16:37:36
Originally by: Clementina Third Question.
Why should I be sure you will be making money off of this?
I saw you guys come to -V- space two days ago. And while you succeeded in ganking more ships than you lost (The losses were 2, to 12). However, You guys also lost a battleship, while most of our losses were tech 1 frigs (full disclosure, 4 of those frigs belonged to me, got my pod too). I do not conceive of any way to make money off of these type of battles.
However, if you were to become mercenaries, these type of fights might be just what the doctor ordered. It was very disruptive and caused a lot of stress. So I ask if you guys would be willing to take mercenary contracts should you go public?
We have always taken Merc contracts if the money was right
edit: I remember that fight it was hardly a big deal I lost my ship and drosssk lost his phoon which He had been looking to lose anyways none of it was corp assets. Want to be a pirate? Join Sniggwaffe |
stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: stingy CEO on 16/06/2006 16:45:02
about my credibility:
from here
Originally by: loney Aeon (Amarr Mothership) : 17,297M Wyvern (Caldari Mothership) : 16,669M Nix (Gallente Mothership) : 19,047M Hel (Minmatar Mothership) : 17,735M
ok not 13 bil, although im 99% sure that he recently pulled up his prices rather stiffly, I have no way to verify this really as EVE-search doesn't update edits after they cache a page.
About saying that you CAN make 5%, sure you can make 5%, a blind bat would be able to make 5%. Why should I give my money to you for a 'guaranteed sorta 5%', knowing fully well that the main reason you started this IPO in the first place was because of the SVE refund huzza?
Sorry it's just not good enough + I'm giving it (totally arbitrary, i don't believe in the A.R.S.E. model) a 90% chance of being a scam.
Buyers beware indeed.
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severed
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:01:00 -
[158]
Originally by: stingy CEO Edited by: stingy CEO on 16/06/2006 16:50:35 about my credibility: from here
Originally by: loney Aeon (Amarr Mothership) : 17,297M Wyvern (Caldari Mothership) : 16,669M Nix (Gallente Mothership) : 19,047M Hel (Minmatar Mothership) : 17,735M
ok not 13 bil, although im 99% sure that he recently pulled up his prices rather stiffly, I have no way to verify this really as EVE-search doesn't update edits after they cache a page.
reading fine print 4TW! those are prices for the needed components only. the completed ship would easily be ~20B plus alot of labor and resources to get sovereignty
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:02:00 -
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My good friend Stingy CEO and I must state that I respect and cherish you very much, you do not have a good record spotting scams.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:03:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 16/06/2006 17:05:54
Originally by: Naphtalia
Shamis, you really serious about this aren't you? I like the plan, I actually predicted these types of IPO's to happen and have space in my portfolio for it... the only thing that holds me back is the following:
"This is the bizplan and I cba to write another one, you will have to do with it"
is there any chance you can write a bit more detailed and concise bizplan.. instead of:
gimme 20b and I will buy a few prints or something and will guarantee 5% or maybe a bit more... then gimme another 20b and I will spend some of it on a mothership and some of it on something else maybe and will do some raid which will probably net 1b/week which sorta-wouldbe 10%
a bit more clear then the above... Also a bit more transparancy:
1) How many shares are total in your corp 2) How many will be public 3) Are the public shares voting 4) Are the non-public shares dividend paying? 5) How many assets do you bring in to account for the non-public shares 6) How are normal ships/losses/loot counted for this..
and lots of more questions...
I respect you and your corp shamis, and I do have room for piracy IPO's but need a better bizplan :P
Are you willing to work this out in more detail (of course in exchange for a nice investment if I like it). Do you need help with this?
Can you give naphtalia your word this isn't a scam, or to prove a point and you are serious? Pirates Honour?
Cheers!
I can give you my word and pirates honor that this isn't a scam.
To be honest the main idea was to illustrate that ANYBODY could run an IPO if CCP refunds the money when something goes wrong. However, I've often toyed with the idea of running a legitimate IPO anyway, and since there appear to be people who are legitimately interested in buying shares, then I will legitimately pursue this venture. I have not lied in this thread, all of it is true. I have done a fair amount of production on the side and I typically average about 15% on T1 production.
I could possibly beef up the business plan a bit (or lack therof), but I need a good reason to. Which is why this thread is mainly to see how many people would be interested in buying shares IF we do the actualy IPO july 1st.
The other problem with writing up a formal business plan is that I don't know what BPO's I'll be able to get. Once I have the money then I can start bidding on bpo's, but until then all I can do is promise that I can make a minimum of 5% based on what I currently do, and with some additional trading if necessary. I also have 3 hardcore production carebears in my corp that I consult with on a regular basis. 2 of which are involved in capitol ship production, and 1 which has been involved with all sorts of small production for months. All of them are billionares, as am I. But usually we have too much money tied up in other investments to be able to liquidate everyting in time for some big bpo that comes up for auction.
Currently the corp has 2000 shares, all owned by myself and drosssk. Drosssk is willing to give his shares back to me, so I will be in complete control of all 2000 shares. Then I will have to create some more shares. Probably about 2100 more. That way I'll have 2100 shares with the other 2000 being publicly owned. I don't see any other way of doing this, since need to protect against hostile takeovers. As far as I know there is no way to differentiate between voting shares and non-voting shares, so I don't know what you're talking about there.
Dividends can only be payed out to all shares as far as I know. So once I calculate what I can pay out, I'll have to pay out 2x that much so that the money is properly distributed to the PUBLIC share holders.
Yes, I am somewhat new to all the intracacies of the EVE stock market, If any experts wish to consult for a VERY small fee then I might take them up on it.
Shamis
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Clementina Third Question.
Why should I be sure you will be making money off of this?
I saw you guys come to -V- space two days ago. And while you succeeded in ganking more ships than you lost (The losses were 2, to 12). However, You guys also lost a battleship, while most of our losses were tech 1 frigs (full disclosure, 4 of those frigs belonged to me, got my pod too). I do not conceive of any way to make money off of these type of battles.
However, if you were to become mercenaries, these type of fights might be just what the doctor ordered. It was very disruptive and caused a lot of stress. So I ask if you guys would be willing to take mercenary contracts should you go public?
When I talk about profits from deep 0.0 space raids, I'm typically only talking about the ops that I'm running. I do run a pirate training corp. And because of that we've got plenty of inexperienced players running around with us. They die alot. They cover their own losses. They are coming a long way though, and it is worth noting that by the time we do get a mothership, most of them will probably be fully trained pirates, taught by some of the best there is. So their kill/death ratio's should go way up.
However, Rasta Rocketman, myself, and a handful of others have regularly been bringing in roughly 1 billion isk a week in the outer regions of eve. And that is AFTER we take into account all ship losses. If you dig back in our killboards a bit, you'll see that not too long ago we managed to kill well over 40 BS's in ASCN/LV space in 1 week and we took no losses other than a couple interceptors and 1 vaga. That op alone earned us about 1.3 billion isk profit. Imagine what we could do if we didn't have to go back to empire for ammo, and to drop off loot every few days? That is why the mothership is on my wishlist. The ability to survive in deep space for weeks and months on end would mean that we can keep killing nonstop, and keep hitting more new area's where the targets will be fresh.
For ops run off of the mothership, we should be able to just keep replacing our ships and take all of the remaining isk from loot sales and pay them out to stock holders. We'll also continue to have production going so that if we have a bad week we can compensate and pay for new ships that way. And if the mothership proves to not be profitable for us at all I can step up production so that shareholders see no noticeable drop in dividend payouts. But I don't see how the motherhip won't make us money, given that we make money already on those types of ops and it will make is 10x more efficient.
Shamis
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:38:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Rasitiln on 16/06/2006 17:45:00
Originally by: stingy CEO Edited by: stingy CEO on 16/06/2006 16:57:53 Edited by: stingy CEO on 16/06/2006 16:56:38
Originally by: Shamiz Orzoz I might be interested in an Aeon. If you could possibly eve-mail me in game with some idea of how long it would take to produce this and what exactly you would need up front I would appreciate it.
Shamis
The sellers webpage indeed includes one Aeon package in its sales history. What happened ? Of course the date of your post was very recently.
One day before you posted this thread in fact. It's already in production? Or was it someone else in the sales history ?
HE said he was intrested in it. Its not in production because it has not been bought. Someone else must have bought an Aeon.
No more conspiracy theories please.
Quote:
Quote: I can assure you that my corps and my own reputation is worth more than that to me.
I think you and me know, or at least suspect, that given current situation, if you were to scam this thing right here, your rep and popularity would go through the roof mate, not down.
Doubtful SNIGG has always made a rep on keeping our word and being the most honorable Pirates in eve.
We do what we say and we say what we mean. Want to be a pirate? Join Sniggwaffe |
Dafuzz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:46:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Rasitiln We have always taken Merc contracts if the money was right Quote:
I can verify this fact.
I can also verify that I personally hired Shamis and his crew quite some time ago for a large job, the objective circumstances changed to be a much smaller and already completed objective with the official wardec, and my wallet blinked to the positive without me asking. My overpayment was fully returned.
Shamis, will convo you ingame. --
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:50:00 -
[164]
Edited by: Baun on 16/06/2006 17:50:29 This gonna be the profits from SniggWaffe or S******dly or both?
I don't think I am allowed to invest anyway :p but im curious
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:58:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 16/06/2006 17:50:29 This gonna be the profits from SniggWaffe or S******dly or both?
I don't think I am allowed to invest anyway :p but im curious
Both. S******dly and Sniggwaffe operate as one. The only reason sniggwaffe is being used for the IPO and not s******dly is because there are some outstanding s******dly shares that I can't seem to locate atm. I also want to guarantee that in the case of a hostile corporate takeover, the worst thing I could possibly lose is sniggwaffe, and not snigg. However, I intend to hold onto 51% of the shares at all times, so that shouldn't be a threat.
The only reason Sniggwaffe even exists is because we wanted to isolate s******dly assets and certain confidential information from all the new recruits that we picked up for the pirate training. Sniggwaffe has had a couple corp thieves and a couple spies, but they haven't been able to do any real damage since they don't have access to any of S******dly's assets. Most, if not all of the assets acquired via the IPO will be stored in either my personal hangers or the s******dly hangers, so waffe, is nothing more than the name on the stock, for the reasons given above.
Shamis
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:58:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Rasitiln on 16/06/2006 17:59:45
Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 16/06/2006 17:50:29 This gonna be the profits from SniggWaffe or S******dly or both?
I don't think I am allowed to invest anyway :p but im curious
Anyone can invest.
EDIT shamis took care of your first question Want to be a pirate? Join Sniggwaffe |
Shassandra
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:18:00 -
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What I find the most interesting are all these people buying shares. Not because it probably won't be reimbursed, but because it seems some haven't thought of the possibility that Sniggwaffe will jump into the system they happen to be mining in their T2-equipped miners, or ratting with their T2 equipped T2 ships with lots of big guns.
What will people say when Sniggwaffe blows up someone who's invested into it? "I have a share, I'm safe!" ??
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shassandra What I find the most interesting are all these people buying shares. Not because it probably won't be reimbursed, but because it seems some haven't thought of the possibility that Sniggwaffe will jump into the system they happen to be mining in their T2-equipped miners, or ratting with their T2 equipped T2 ships with lots of big guns.
What will people say when Sniggwaffe blows up someone who's invested into it? "I have a share, I'm safe!" ??
Shareholders will not be safe. Think of it this way. Whether or not you invest, we'll be out there killing. If you invest, then at least you get something back when you get ganked (dividend).
I'm playing with the idea of forewarning shareholders when we'll be doing a big gatecamp, but unless there is a way for me to automatically see which characters are share holders I don't see how I can do this once people start trading shares.
Shamis
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EMFi Manager
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I'm playing with the idea of forewarning shareholders when we'll be doing a big gatecamp, but unless there is a way for me to automatically see which characters are share holders I don't see how I can do this once people start trading shares.
Shamis
You can do a dummy-vote:
We are jumping in KZF-GG in 15 minutes? Option 1: Go for it! Option 2: Go for it!
(shareholders run away)
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: EMFi Manager
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I'm playing with the idea of forewarning shareholders when we'll be doing a big gatecamp, but unless there is a way for me to automatically see which characters are share holders I don't see how I can do this once people start trading shares.
Shamis
You can do a dummy-vote:
We are jumping in KZF-GG in 15 minutes? Option 1: Go for it! Option 2: Go for it!
(shareholders run away)
That would be great.
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.06.16 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rasitiln Edited by: Rasitiln on 16/06/2006 18:18:16 Edited by: Rasitiln on 16/06/2006 17:59:45
Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 16/06/2006 17:50:29 This gonna be the profits from SniggWaffe or S******dly or both?
I don't think I am allowed to invest anyway :p but im curious
Anyone can invest.
EDIT shamis took care of your first question
Enders Game 4tw
O I have no doubt that you would let me buy shares, its the financing of pirates that my corp won't like ;p.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 22:22:00 -
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Hehe, sounds good actualy, I'd be interested to invest, if only all the sniggwaffe hadn't posted things that make your whole post sounding like a clever joke.
If you can get some third party trust, some more thought out financial plan and written buzness plan I will buy shares.
ATM you can count me in for 10 shares, hoping you get serious with this.
I understand this could very well be a big funny joke, but that would be a great opportunity loss, it's a first, and could realy well work good. I hope to see you get serious with this. Truely.
PS : Hey, if you don't do it, I'll do something similar :) An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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EMFi Manager
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Posted - 2006.06.16 22:43:00 -
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Ok, I am tempted.. there are a lot of issues and I much rather would see a "true" piracy IPO.
If you are gonna pirat, just do it...
Mostly I don't like to invest in spread corps, corps that have shares, and do production, and do research, and have a savings account and do trading...
Basically the same here.
You want to use the first 20b to buy prints and do building and the 2nd 20b to buy a mothership..
Also it is unclear still what happens to current assets ( and bpos ) will they be moved to s******dly? or will they be used to represent retained shares? :P
What I would prefer to see is just the bloody 20b straight up to buy a mothership + fuel and do raids.. and direct result from the "services" you render.
Any chance of such a twist.
Beleive me....
Everyone that is considering investing....
Is considering it because of the Phase 2 Mothership & Deepspace raids part. not because they think you are the best and most trustworty T2 builder to invest in :P
If you are serious good luck, BUT stay true.. Keep the IPO simple baby :)
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Sa Sa
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sa Sa on 16/06/2006 23:12:48
Originally by: EMFi Manager
Beleive me....
Everyone that is considering investing....
Is considering it because of the Phase 2 Mothership & Deepspace raids part. not because they think you are the best and most trustworty T2 builder to invest in :P
If you are serious good luck, BUT stay true.. Keep the IPO simple baby :)
Shamis, as a potential investor, I agree with this. I can't see a reason for phase 1 tbh. Why not go straight for the mothership with the initial investments? The sooner you add that mothership to your arsenal, the quicker everyone starts to make isk.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: EMFi Manager Is considering it because of the Phase 2 Mothership & Deepspace raids part. not because they think you are the best and most trustworty T2 builder to invest in :P
I guess I figured people would be less likely to invest in a pure PvP venture like the mothership.
If that's what the investors want I could do it. But I figured that I would first do the standard producer/trader bit, earn some money and ensure people that we're legit, then work on getting the isk for the mothership. The prints would also help deal with any hidden costs associated with the mothership that we may have missed so far.
And unfortunately, our mothership pilot is still in training...so I have nothing better to do until he finishes.
Shamis
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kahor Hehe, sounds good actualy, I'd be interested to invest, if only all the sniggwaffe hadn't posted things that make your whole post sounding like a clever joke.
Yeah some of the waffles need a good flogging. Rasitiln is a forum w***e at heart and likes to talk about stuff that he knows nothing about...
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Gray Carmicheal
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:32:00 -
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Shamis, I'll take 1. Just cuz I love seeing Progressive Pirates.
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EMFi Manager
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:34:00 -
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Well... you needing 20b for a trading/building corp is kind of odd :P
Start the PVP IPO small, buy a few carriers, maybe expand your dread fleet and do pos-killing / station ransom for isk. while you train mothership.
get the remaining isk for the mothership.
You are a pvp corp.. people will invest in your pvp abilities...
The scam detector will drop a lot if you market yourself for what you are and what you are good at...
Now there is still the risk of:
"OMGLOLZ I told a bunch of carebears I would build, mine and trade stuff if they gave me 20b... free pvp for the win /me buys another vaga"
otherwise it is:
"Fellow pvpers and pirates invested in me to pvp for them.. I better show I can kill and get loot otherwise I suxor, yarrr"
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Kiriz Zule
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Kahor Hehe, sounds good actualy, I'd be interested to invest, if only all the sniggwaffe hadn't posted things that make your whole post sounding like a clever joke.
Yeah some of the waffles need a good flogging. Rasitiln is a forum w***e at heart and likes to talk about stuff that he knows nothing about...
TBH, I think a lot of us thought it was a joke. I think it's pretty clear by now that Shamis is serious about this.
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Kahor Hehe, sounds good actualy, I'd be interested to invest, if only all the sniggwaffe hadn't posted things that make your whole post sounding like a clever joke.
Yeah some of the waffles need a good flogging. Rasitiln is a forum w***e at heart and likes to talk about stuff that he knows nothing about...
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: EMFi Manager Start the PVP IPO small, buy a few carriers, maybe expand your dread fleet and do pos-killing / station ransom for isk. while you train mothership.
You are a pvp corp.. people will invest in your pvp abilities...
We have capital ships for all of our members that can fly them, and it really isn't enough to ransom pos's in 0.0. Empire would work, but empire is otherwise fairly unprofitable. We tried the POS racketeering business for a few days and got so bored shooting pos's that people were about ready to quit the corp.
If people want to give us 20 billion isk to invest in PvP, then by all means, we'll go shoot stuff. And we will turn a profit. I'll have to think about what exactly I can do with the money until we're ready for the mothership though. I'll get back to you on that. In the meantime, anybody else who is interested in seeing us invest the money in pure PvP, please let me know so I can get a better idea of what any potential investers are really interested in.
Shamis
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.17 00:21:00 -
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Well, you gotta play to your core strenghts. You're famous as a pirate, but an unknown industrialist. The idea to start with T2 production (and your bitterness at the SVE reimbursment) is what made me think this was an elaborate joke.
I think you should do a smaller scale IPO first to build up some credit, before going for the mothership. I have no idea what you'd do with the ISK, but that's your call.
Maybe if you billed it as a "test run" to show that the loot based dividends are a viable idea. The ISK raised could be a slush fund for mothership related expenses, and training costs.
My suggestion:
500 Shares at 5,000,000 each. Raising 2.5b capital (2,500,000,000 ISK) 10 Shares max per person.
This way you can spread the love around and prove that you're serious. Then you'd have a established track record of profits for the mothership venture.
I'd buy 2 shares of that, just to see if it's a viable idea.
Bottom line: Shamis killing > Shamis producing --
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Aerok
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Posted - 2006.06.17 01:13:00 -
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i'll take 2 shares
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Ananael
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Posted - 2006.06.17 06:10:00 -
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Giving money so a pirate corp can wreak havoc in 0.0 with a mothership? I'll take ten shares, wish i could afford more.
Pirate industrials ftw!!
Also think business reports should be done in video form. Watching a npcing bs explode and watching your wallet swell will beat reading any spreadsheet with stuffy numbers.
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Ehker Gerete
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Posted - 2006.06.17 06:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ehker Gerete on 17/06/2006 06:23:05 If I have 10 mill by July 1st of whenever (very likley), I'll take a share.
And now evemon is blaring at me that my skill is done. I must be going now.
edit: Also, I'm not the first guy to ask about market related stuff. I'm guessing a 5% return means I get 5% of my investment per dividend payment, meaning 500k a month. Or is that just the minimum guarenteed? Or is there some fancy secret about this that I have no idea about? -------------- My ideas on balancing nosferatu |
Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.06.17 07:02:00 -
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Well, I have been known to buy into quite a lot of IPO's and usually study them in quite a bit of detail. Initially, I thought this was a guarranteed scam. After getting past the 4th page of "CCP will reimburse you if I scam you" your posts started becoming coherent and your actual business side started to surface a little.
It is somewhat of a tough situation. PROS/CONS
Pro's
* Snigg has an excellent reputation * New venture, piracy IPO is a first * Honesty
Cons
* Initially seemed to be a no-care attitude (a no-no when dealing with others billions) * All references were corpmates/allied corps/pirates * No real business plan of any sort * Large amount of risk (what happens if mothership dies?)
Personally, I believe that reputation is everything, so my rating would be heavily based on that. Without the backing of Snigg, I would have given this IPO a 10% chance of success. With the backing of Snigg, I am upgrading the chance of success to 60%
Thanks, but I don't want any shares, just felt like posting this here (and it is in your favour Shamis)
Final description - Highly risky venture with minimal recourse if it fails. Potential to make good earnings but mainly recommended for very small share investments. Buy one or two shares in Snigg, don't put it all in there. Go to ISS or EIB if you want a much lower risk investment on hard earned isk.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.06.17 08:05:00 -
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of course lots of SWIGG would post, we're part forum whoring corp too didnt you know? at least it isnt alts posting
anyways, you can't ignore the industrial side. When you're killing everything left and right they have to buy replacements somewhere right?? If you are interested in this IPO, but hate pirates, don't think of us as pirates: We're professional ship/module price inflationeers, be sure to include this when trying to explain to your superiors as to why you're buying our stock. We are good for the economy. ---------
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EMFi Manager
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Posted - 2006.06.17 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz If people want to give us 20 billion isk to invest in PvP, then by all means, we'll go shoot stuff. And we will turn a profit. I'll have to think about what exactly I can do with the money until we're ready for the mothership though. I'll get back to you on that.
Shamis
You don't *HAVE* to raise 20b to start :P think up a biz plan where capital will help you make MORE isk shooting stuff.. while preparing for the next phase of mothership raids. See how much capital is needed, try to raise that.
Good luck,
If this turns from a
"prove of concept to CCP that anyone can do an IPO if they guarantee scam protection"
to:
"Invest in us pirats and we will wreak havoc and make you rich of blowing up stuff and selling loot and ransomming poeple"
with a solid biz plan you will get investors :P
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Mi Lai
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Posted - 2006.06.17 11:24:00 -
[189]
I don't care wether it's a scam or not, I want a Snigg share
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KnightFear
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Posted - 2006.06.17 15:08:00 -
[190]
I'm in for 10 shares Boss!
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sinderela
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Posted - 2006.06.17 22:16:00 -
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I'm interested.
I'm thinking about a billion or more.
Talk me into it.
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.06.18 08:48:00 -
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The only prob with a non industrilal first part is, snigg already got the isk to buy the mods and ships they need for piracy, short of maybe carriers, but those are more for fleet battle than just piracy, and fleet battles are not beneficial for just pirates, that doesn't want to control whole regions.
An industrial first part could consist of some bpos, some new POSs, and other various things they can do since being in 0.0.
By all mean, go ahead :) An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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Tepi Agd
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Posted - 2006.06.18 09:13:00 -
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i will take 2 _ |
Douglasius
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Posted - 2006.06.18 11:41:00 -
[194]
Cant resist, i'll take 2 shares!
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Ander
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ander on 18/06/2006 14:37:19 (edit: double-post) www.eve-pirate.com RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Ander
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:37:00 -
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I'll take 10 shares. (Possibly 20, if there's more over I'll take the 10 extra after the initial pre-order.) Heck it's a good investment for me. Not only will I get a cut from the work I put in, but I'll get a cut on the 50% return :)
I've personally seen the business-plan work, and is well documented here and here. www.eve-pirate.com RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Traeon
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Posted - 2006.06.18 22:02:00 -
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10 shares please |
Oswald Grant
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Posted - 2006.06.20 02:31:00 -
[198]
Token 1 share please. |
BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.06.20 03:57:00 -
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You guys shoot us, I pay you so i can buy shares...perfect
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.20 21:53:00 -
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This IPO is cancelled.
I think we could pull it off, but I'm pulling out for 3 main reasons:
1) I don't want to have to worry about maintaining profits for shareholders since it will probably be more fun to go fight somebody while incredibly outnumbered and lose isk.
2) Worrying about shareholders, and having shareholders with a stake in our profits seems to go against our philosophy of peeing in everybody's pool.
3) Nobody will sell us a mothership...not to say that I won't keep trying to get one. But until I can find an interested party, I have no need for the isk.
Shamis
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Arktaos
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Posted - 2006.06.20 22:11:00 -
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Can i still buy 1 snigg share?
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Gray Carmicheal
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Posted - 2006.06.20 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Arktaos Can i still buy 1 snigg share?
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Avulsion
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz This IPO is cancelled.
My dreams have crushed once again
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Drosssk
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Posted - 2006.06.22 04:06:00 -
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Well then, I guess I should auction off my 100 sniggwaffe shares to the highest bidders lol (NOT an IPO but just so you can say you own one, you know you wanna.... bidding starts at 1bil per share. LIMITED TIME OFFER!).
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burek
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Posted - 2006.06.22 06:11:00 -
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I'll take 100 then! Send shares first!
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz This IPO is cancelled.
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2006.06.24 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz This IPO is cancelled.
So did you buy back the shares that you sold?
why should he ?
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.06.25 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Ricdic
why should he ?
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.06.25 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 25/06/2006 02:01:50 he was asking for reservations of shares, he never sold any, so nothing to return ---------
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.06.25 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 25/06/2006 02:01:50 he was asking for reservations of shares, he never sold any, so nothing to return
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Aversin
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 04:34:00 -
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Damn, I missed my chance to own snigg :(
Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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