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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.06.15 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Barron IX
Sorry if I sound abrasive, lack of sleep does weird things to you.
I guess your right, perhaps Amarr are overpowered.
I will remember that the next time I try to fit a full rack of T2 lasers on a Geddon or Apoc.
But thanks to all the responses, I had a good time debating the merits of Amarr with you.
One last thing. To fix Amarr ships, we just need 1 thing. Explosive Crystals. Thats it. NOTHING ELSE.
Minmatar cannot fit a full rack of its best gun, the 1400 II, without major skill investment and a few other thngs. It is only 6 guns not 8. I would hardly try to imply that amarr have it rought fitting their best guns... since you have 4 'best' guns, dual heavy pulse, mega pulse, megabeam and tach which are all equally good in their situations.
Dual 425 IIs are ok for matari but they aren't exactly great. 800s are a bit too heavy on teh requirements considering what other things you need for them. So that really leaves 3 setups for the BSs... Dual 425 IIs with Siege, Dual 650 IIs with NOS, and 1400 II with gank gear. Oh the options...
All that... while armageddons can sit at 35km and never move and still hit you with its guns and a good tank for when you close. Not to mention the extra injector charges you can fit in your cargo hold and explosive t2 heavy drones you can use in your drone bay.
I mean... wow you are right the geddon is pretty crap. It can do DPS and tank out of my ships range... to the boost mobile we go! Not to mention NPC in the same PvP setup
Explosive damage should never set foot on amarr tech. Ever. It it does... EM needs to go to Gallente and Minmatar needs to do all 4 in one round. Period.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Godar Marak
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Posted - 2006.06.15 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Minmatar cannot fit a full rack of its best gun, the 1400 II, without major skill investment and a few other thngs. It is only 6 guns not 8.
And? Amarrians cant fit a full rack of their best guns either without major skill investment and a few other things.
And if you're actually counting guns and comparing lasers with artiallry youre not only stupid but also insane.
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while armageddons can sit at 35km and never move and still hit you with its guns and a good tank for when you close. Not to mention the extra injector charges you can fit in your cargo hold and explosive t2 heavy drones you can use in your drone bay.
Stop trolling.
Now, since you (thank god) abandoned the other thread maybe you could once and for all tell all of us how you use em and thermal to your advantage?
We are all waiting.
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Spy4Hire
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Posted - 2006.06.15 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Barron IX
Originally by: Richard Face Crusader, Pilgrim, Zealot, oh and the arbitrator is vicious
Pilgrim dies to Vaga (no cap, all damage types, speed) Zealot (nice ship) but still dies to Vaga (see above)
Alas and unfortunately the Vagabond has become the I-win button of the idiotically rich. Very few things other than ECM can shut it down, the typical 'F*gabond' setup with 5 stabs is impossible to scram enough to kill with anything less than 8 mid slots dedicated to the task... which means 3 or 4 ships that have half a chance of keeping up enough to web it.
Then you factor in that a good many vaga pilots have full snake implant sets and you get a ship that can't be touched unless it gets stupid or unlucky. The only counter is EW.
IMO, if any ship needs to have a strong application of the Nerf bat it's the vaga, despite the fact that I fly them myself.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.06.15 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 15/06/2006 20:05:21 Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 15/06/2006 20:04:30
Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Minmatar cannot fit a full rack of its best gun, the 1400 II, without major skill investment and a few other thngs. It is only 6 guns not 8.
And? Amarrians cant fit a full rack of their best guns either without major skill investment and a few other things.
And if you're actually counting guns and comparing lasers with artiallry youre not only stupid but also insane.
That is a troll remark and a personal attack...
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while armageddons can sit at 35km and never move and still hit you with its guns and a good tank for when you close. Not to mention the extra injector charges you can fit in your cargo hold and explosive t2 heavy drones you can use in your drone bay.
Stop trolling.
If you think that is trolling you are mistaken.
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Now, since you (thank god) abandoned the other thread maybe you could once and for all tell all of us how you use em and thermal to your advantage?
We are all waiting.
Being a good pilot for one. Weirda has personally taken one of my tanked muninn setups and turned it into mush with a SAC. And she has wasted vagabons in a zealot... you should have heard the w00ting in corp chat that day.... 2 BoB t2 ships ( vaga and stiletto iirc ) with one zeolot... priceless.
Not to mention I know more about lasers then you could ever know... since all my accounts use amarr tech. One of my favorite ships is the Armageddon and have PvP'ed with it more lately than any other ship. Also have been flying Amarr tech since 2003.... you just have no clue about how to use your own ships. You sound like you rather debate how they do or do not work than to actually undock and use them. Everyone looses ships... its not just amarr.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.06.15 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Spy4Hire
Originally by: Barron IX
Originally by: Richard Face Crusader, Pilgrim, Zealot, oh and the arbitrator is vicious
Pilgrim dies to Vaga (no cap, all damage types, speed) Zealot (nice ship) but still dies to Vaga (see above)
Alas and unfortunately the Vagabond has become the I-win button of the idiotically rich. Very few things other than ECM can shut it down, the typical 'F*gabond' setup with 5 stabs is impossible to scram enough to kill with anything less than 8 mid slots dedicated to the task... which means 3 or 4 ships that have half a chance of keeping up enough to web it.
Then you factor in that a good many vaga pilots have full snake implant sets and you get a ship that can't be touched unless it gets stupid or unlucky. The only counter is EW.
IMO, if any ship needs to have a strong application of the Nerf bat it's the vaga, despite the fact that I fly them myself.
I have seen more vagabons run like cowards... RPing it as geurilla warfare... than any other ship in it is rediculous. If they stay and fight they die most of the time unless they prey on NPCers or nooblets.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.06.15 20:11:00 -
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Godar, trying hard to get a forum ban, aren't you? GG man...
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Aeaus on 15/06/2006 21:22:13 I fly primarily Amarr, along with some gallente mixed in, and I can tell you that I think you're wrong in many cases. The Amarr ships from Battlecruiser and up are very good, my favorite ships there. However below that Amarr are quite lacking.
Edit : This is T1, T2 Amarr is just pwnage =)
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Mr Peanut
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Barron IX
yES, against a Vaga, you will die and I will hve some nice loot...
No pilgrim pilot will engage a Vaga unless they are stupid
The Pilgrim is a force recon ship! The Vaga is a HAC! Pilgrim is designed to make cyno fields! Why would I want to solo a vaga in a ship that the devs designed to make cyno fields?!?! Do your freaking homework on what a pilgrim is before you start to belittle it. And FTR: I don't hate amarr, I fly it.
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TheMoog
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Peanut
Originally by: Barron IX
yES, against a Vaga, you will die and I will hve some nice loot...
No pilgrim pilot will engage a Vaga unless they are stupid
The Pilgrim is a force recon ship! The Vaga is a HAC! Pilgrim is designed to make cyno fields! Why would I want to solo a vaga in a ship that the devs designed to make cyno fields?!?! Do your freaking homework on what a pilgrim is before you start to belittle it. And FTR: I don't hate amarr, I fly it.
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Pilgrim is "teh killz0r", no cap = no life.
My impression on this thread is that it's an ECM/NOS whine, any ship of any class would die if jammed and nossed to death.
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Barron IX
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Posted - 2006.06.16 00:53:00 -
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I loved the replies, nearly died from laughter.
Oh well, I had my fun. CLOSE THIS THREAD.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Barron IX I loved the replies, nearly died from laughter.
Oh well, I had my fun. CLOSE THIS THREAD.
have you assembled your ***** team to come kill us for disputing the horrible suckitude that is the amarr race? i hope you don't bring amarr ships because my Bantam can totally take down a 15 man gang of amarr ships easy thanks to the fact they are so horrible ------
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Barron IX
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Posted - 2006.06.16 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Barron IX I loved the replies, nearly died from laughter.
Oh well, I had my fun. CLOSE THIS THREAD.
have you assembled your ***** team to come kill us for disputing the horrible suckitude that is the amarr race? i hope you don't bring amarr ships because my Bantam can totally take down a 15 man gang of amarr ships easy thanks to the fact they are so horrible
Give it a rest, joke is over |
Weirda
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Posted - 2006.06.16 02:19:00 -
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you so funny!!!
oh wait...
alts 4tw!!! __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More! |
twit brent
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Posted - 2006.06.16 02:21:00 -
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my tachyon geddon does 967 damage/s with 46km optimal. I would love to see the railthron/tempest get anywhere near that much.
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Kowaii Hitori
Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:43:00 -
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All I can say is, retard.
All ships are based off cap, I don't care if you can do damage without cap, I just put up a better defense because my cap recharges faster, and there is always cap injectors *hint hint*, especially on a apoc when i break my recharge into the 120's, that is a powerful apoc.
geddon: o, and if you put 2 multi-spec ecm's and a web, then fill my drones with scrambling drones, if you decide to come into range you get webbed, and then i hit you with 4 heavy nos and 4 t2 pulses, you will last only moments before you either die, or are forced to warp off to grab reinforcements. i have personally tested this on even a raven, and it couldn't keep enough of a lock, and i did this one a scorp.
this is a game of strategy and the element of suprise jerk, your mine, and you just lack it.
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McTaggart
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.10 07:00:00 -
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If the op was serious: LOL
If the op was making a joke: *sigh*
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Quani
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2006.09.10 09:13:00 -
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You fail at life if you think that a thorax would "own" a curse/pilgrim, that is all. ----- There is no sin except stupidity. |
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