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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.16 12:31:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I don't believe the OP is in europe, so Id like to know why he cares about how much we pay? He found an axe and decided to grind it.
COMBINATION!
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
399
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Posted - 2014.06.16 12:35:00 -
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Goti fase wrote:In Europe items are advertised with tax as generally the tax rate is the same for everyone.
This simply is not the case. The VAT varies by country and also by type of product or service.
So for example one and the same product can have a 21% VAT in country EUR1 and a 12% VAT in country EUR2. In my country the VAT is generally 24% (GRRR taxes), but for many areas it can be 14% (mainly foodstuffs) or 10% (medicine, books, etc.) or even 0% Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1118
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Posted - 2014.06.16 13:09:00 -
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Arkumord Churhee wrote:Dear CCP,
what have european customers of yours done to you? If, say, you were to buy a 2 PLEX Code online, customers paying in EUR are charged 34,99 EUR. US customers are charged 34,99 USD.
Quick googling of the conversion tells me that 34,99 USD converts to 25,84 EUR at the time of writing. That's almost 10 EUR less! My question here is: Why? Why do european customers pay that much more for the same service that US customers get?
Doesn't sound quite fair to me... please explain!
(Crosspost from german subforum)
Since when is EVE or anything attached to it supposed to be fair? They offer a service at the price they want. You either purchase that service or not. If you really want your outrage about PLEX price difference to be heard, stop buying any PLEX. Your message will be heard more if more people do it. |
Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.06.16 13:17:00 -
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The price for Plex is rather good value i think
This kinda topic comes up nearly all the time. With nearly all the online games i play. "why do we pay more, us players from Europe" ...etc ..blah blah (Yes, i live in UK/England).
All i can say is "Welcome to the World of EuroTax" ...Ninja looting your Wonga/Money/Cash, since governments could learn to read / write & kinda do maths"
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SpoonRECKLESS
Dreddit
192
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Posted - 2014.06.16 13:51:00 -
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Arkumord Churhee wrote:Your Karen Avioras wrote:taxes and stuff are also applied in the US. I don't see any reason why european customers should pay 9,15 EUR (or 12,39 USD) more on a 2 PLEX code. So I'm kindly asking CCP to explain this to me or just lower the price. US codes have always been a bit cheaper (a dollar or two on a 2 PLEX code thanks to good conversion rates), but this is just not acceptable any more.
Because your money has more value? I don't know maybe you guys made Iceland mad making fun of thier gods or rotten fish. Blue
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Papa Sotken
Vile Drifters Blood.Drunk
969
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Posted - 2014.06.16 13:57:00 -
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-ú10 for a month membership and free plex.
Buddy program only reason i dont moan about how bad us europeans get nailed by CCP's prices. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1671223#post1671223 Cadre Assault Force Recruiting New/Old players who are looking for gang pvp. EU TZ Based. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5423
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Posted - 2014.06.16 14:00:00 -
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Papa Sotken wrote:-ú10 for a month membership and free plex.
Buddy program only reason i dont moan about how bad us europeans get nailed by CCP's prices.
You forgot to include the activation fee, but I get your point "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Papa Sotken
Vile Drifters Blood.Drunk
970
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Posted - 2014.06.16 14:24:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Papa Sotken wrote:-ú10 for a month membership and free plex.
Buddy program only reason i dont moan about how bad us europeans get nailed by CCP's prices. You forgot to include the activation fee, but I get your point
Indeed forgot the activation fee paha. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1671223#post1671223 Cadre Assault Force Recruiting New/Old players who are looking for gang pvp. EU TZ Based. |
Galison
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.06.16 14:41:00 -
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Also something to think about is while some states in the US are working on changing it currentlaws only require taxes be collected in online purchases IF the company has a physical presence in the state. That means a state could have a sales tax of 50% but it isn't charged if the store you are buying from doesn't have a physical building/office in the state. Technicality you as the consumer are suppose to file it your self but I've never heard of a state going after someone. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5423
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Posted - 2014.06.16 14:55:00 -
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Galison wrote:Also something to think about is while some states in the US are working on changing it currentlaws only require taxes be collected in online purchases IF the company has a physical presence in the state. That means a state could have a sales tax of 50% but it isn't charged if the store you are buying from doesn't have a physical building/office in the state. Technicality you as the consumer are suppose to file it your self but I've never heard of a state going after someone.
Well THAT'S not going to be abused lol
Why go to the Cayman Islands when you can be a "US" company and evade taxes? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
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CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising The Bastion
146
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:34:00 -
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Oh good, another "WAAAHHHHH!!! IT'S NOT FAAAAAAAAIIIIRRRR!!!" post.
1) The price is lower in the US because of the previously mentioned difference in needing to advertise prices inclusive/exclusive of tax amounts, but also because US customers don't pay sales tax for the vast majority of online transactions. These are laws in place by our respective countries, CCP has absolutely NOTHING to do with this. If you want to complain to someone, complain to your government for taxing you (grrrr government?). Ain't socialism grand? ;)
2) As has also been mentioned, there are ways to get around this and pay the US prices. Whether or not doing so violates any of your local laws, I have no idea, so I'm not advocating it. But, you know....options exist. Why not just use the method which you've already stated you are aware of and pay the lower price? Taking it a step further, why not then tell everyone you know to do the same (it doesn't just apply to PLEX, you know)? Why is your only course of action to complain that "it isn't fair" and pout like a five year old? Life isn't fair, get a helmet and HTFU. |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising The Bastion
146
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:36:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Why go to the Cayman Islands when you can be a "US" company and evade taxes?
You can't evade taxes when there are no laws requiring that those taxes be paid. But yeah, they've been talking about changing this for a long time now, I'd be shocked if it weren't implemented in the next couple of years at some point. |
Othran
Route One
727
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:47:00 -
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Kueyen wrote:The reason these threads keep popping up over and over again is because we're tired of hearing the VAT excuse. The highest VAT rates in the EU vary between 18% and 27% (ref: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf ), whereas the current EUR/USD rate is 1.354 (and has varied between 1.349 and 1.393 over the past six months). So, depending on location and time, EU customers have been overcharged between 6.2% and 18% (over the past six months). So no, not (merely) VAT, but laziness, convenience, and greed. Par for the course, you say; Industry standard, you say; Nothing you can do about it, you say. All true, perhaps, but that doesn't mean we have to put up with it in silence.
+1
Someone gets it. Also CCP don't charge/pay VAT in the EU countries they "sell to" anymore than they charge/pay "sales tax" in the USA. |
Arkumord Churhee
Bavarian Unstressed Mining Mob Synergy of Steel
2
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:28:00 -
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CompleteFailure wrote:Oh good, another "WAAAHHHHH!!! IT'S NOT FAAAAAAAAIIIIRRRR!!!" post.
1) The price is lower in the US because of the previously mentioned difference in needing to advertise prices inclusive/exclusive of tax amounts, but also because US customers don't pay sales tax for the vast majority of online transactions. These are laws in place by our respective countries, CCP has absolutely NOTHING to do with this. If you want to complain to someone, complain to your government for taxing you (grrrr government?). Ain't socialism grand? ;)
2) As has also been mentioned, there are ways to get around this and pay the US prices. Whether or not doing so violates any of your local laws, I have no idea, so I'm not advocating it. But, you know....options exist. Why not just use the method which you've already stated you are aware of and pay the lower price? Taking it a step further, why not then tell everyone you know to do the same (it doesn't just apply to PLEX, you know)? Why is your only course of action to complain that "it isn't fair" and pout like a five year old? Life isn't fair, get a helmet and HTFU.
Please, check your data. I have explained this before, but i will gladly explain it to you again.
Price for a 6 PLEX package about 3 weeks ago was 89.99Gé¼ (incl. VAT) (Source), converting to 122,18$ according to Google. If i now pretend that we had $ over here too, we'd take the untaxed price of 104,99$, add a VAT of 19% (Germany), and get a result of 124,94 $. All in all, that would be a price that is understandable and acceptable, because of said taxes.
But it isn't 89,99Gé¼ now. A 6 PLEX package now is 104,99Gé¼ (incl. VAT) (Source), which is a whopping 15Gé¼ difference (almost another full PLEX) for no reason whatsoever. Only reason i can imagine is some beancounter saying "make it 104,99 in every currency so it looks better" and not caring about a ~14% markup for customers paying their things in Gé¼, let alone customers paying in -ú.
Also, i know about the "CCP Euro tax evasion methods", but i feel i shouldn't have to. But on the other hand, i want to help the company that makes the game i spend way too much time on to keep me (and others) as a customer, as they are currently driving non-US players away with higher prices in their domestic currencies.
I feel that CCP shouldn't bill players more for the same product than others, just because you live in a different part of the world that uses a different currency. Ugly words like "discrimination" come to mind... Those prices don't need to be exactly the same, no one will say anything if there's a difference of 2 or 3$. But over 20 dollars is just greedy, and it needs to stop. |
Othran
Route One
727
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:41:00 -
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Also for the UK people we generally get double-shafted as CCP switches us from -úUK to EUR back to -úUK depending on which basketcase of a currency is less ****** up from their revenue perspective.
From memory CCP seems to pay around 7% of its revenues in VAT which suggests (if we assume the only people in the world who pay VAT/sales tax are in the EU) that CCP pays around 16% VAT in the Euro area.
tl;dr its bugger all to do with VAT/sales tax |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:42:00 -
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Arkumord Churhee wrote:CompleteFailure wrote:Oh good, another "WAAAHHHHH!!! IT'S NOT FAAAAAAAAIIIIRRRR!!!" post.
1) The price is lower in the US because of the previously mentioned difference in needing to advertise prices inclusive/exclusive of tax amounts, but also because US customers don't pay sales tax for the vast majority of online transactions. These are laws in place by our respective countries, CCP has absolutely NOTHING to do with this. If you want to complain to someone, complain to your government for taxing you (grrrr government?). Ain't socialism grand? ;)
2) As has also been mentioned, there are ways to get around this and pay the US prices. Whether or not doing so violates any of your local laws, I have no idea, so I'm not advocating it. But, you know....options exist. Why not just use the method which you've already stated you are aware of and pay the lower price? Taking it a step further, why not then tell everyone you know to do the same (it doesn't just apply to PLEX, you know)? Why is your only course of action to complain that "it isn't fair" and pout like a five year old? Life isn't fair, get a helmet and HTFU. Please, check your data. I have explained this before, but i will gladly explain it to you again. Price for a 6 PLEX package about 3 weeks ago was 89.99Gé¼ (incl. VAT) ( Source), converting to 122,18$ according to Google. If i now pretend that we had $ over here too, we'd take the untaxed price of 104,99$, add a VAT of 19% (Germany), and get a result of 124,94 $. All in all, that would be a price that is understandable and acceptable, because of said taxes. But it isn't 89,99Gé¼ now. A 6 PLEX package now is 104,99Gé¼ (incl. VAT) ( Source), which is a whopping 15Gé¼ difference (almost another full PLEX) for no reason whatsoever. Only reason i can imagine is some beancounter saying "make it 104,99 in every currency so it looks better" and not caring about a ~14% markup for customers paying their things in Gé¼, let alone customers paying in -ú. Also, i know about the "CCP Euro tax evasion methods", but i feel i shouldn't have to. But on the other hand, i want to help the company that makes the game i spend way too much time on to keep me (and others) as a customer, as they are currently driving non-US players away with higher prices in their domestic currencies. I feel that CCP shouldn't bill players more for the same product than others, just because you live in a different part of the world that uses a different currency. Ugly words like "discrimination" come to mind... Those prices don't need to be exactly the same, no one will say anything if there's a difference of 2 or 3$. But over 20 dollars is just greedy, and it needs to stop.
So you think CCP should enforce identical prices on all items between Jita and Hek, right?
What game do you play again? |
Othran
Route One
727
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:45:00 -
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Gospadin wrote: So you think CCP should enforce identical prices on all items between Jita and Hek, right?
What game do you play again?
$104.99 Gé¼104.99
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Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:49:00 -
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Othran wrote:Gospadin wrote: So you think CCP should enforce identical prices on all items between Jita and Hek, right?
What game do you play again?
$104.99 Gé¼104.99
It's called real life market PVP.
Anyone who believes in EVE and thinks it's a great game should love this.
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MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
71
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Posted - 2014.06.16 21:02:00 -
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Like anything else, they charge what they can to optimise their profits. Different markets have different sensitivities to price.
In other words, UK gets ripped off because we let it happen. |
DownTwisTeD
KaMiKaZes
6
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Posted - 2014.06.16 21:32:00 -
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Yea!
Now they tell us Canadians we dont have a dollar anymore like the ice landers doller is real.. |
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Arronicus
X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1059
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Posted - 2014.06.16 21:38:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=347425&find=unread
CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there. The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in. US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower.
If you had just bothered to check PAGE 1 of recent threads in this forum. |
Arkumord Churhee
Bavarian Unstressed Mining Mob Synergy of Steel
2
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Posted - 2014.06.17 08:00:00 -
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Arronicus wrote: [...] If you had just bothered to check PAGE 1 of recent threads in this forum.
If you had just bothered to read the thread you are posting to you'd have discovered that these prices don't apply anymore.
Still waiting for a response from CCP... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5431
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Posted - 2014.06.17 08:16:00 -
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Anyone who pays 100 anythings on a computer game they are already paying a subscription for has more money than sense anyway "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1826
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Posted - 2014.06.17 08:48:00 -
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Arkumord Churhee wrote: If you had just bothered to read the thread you are posting to you'd have discovered that these prices don't apply anymore.
Still waiting for a response from CCP...
Here's your reason.
Because They Can.
Seriously, that's all there is to it. Region pricing is a thing. Always has been, always will be. It just so happens that rounding things out the way they have allows them to handle the taxes and such Euro people are responsible for. No, it's not perfect. Yes, CCP makes a profit off of it.
Lets assume CCP did what you want them to do, and pegged account prices to the exchange rate. You'll still have a higher "sticker price" than US people due to VAT. Your account cost is going to vary every month, due to currency exchange fluxes. Depending on how CCP implemented the exchange rate billing, you'd STILL be getting "ripped off". What happens when, on the day your sub comes due, the exchange rate takes a hit and you end up paying "more" that day? Or, if they averaged it, a few bad days over a healthy month dragged the average to a point that you were paying "more" that month than the USA?
And yeah, us Americans have a lower "sticker price" on the website, but come tax time, we get to pay for it in use tax. This year, my state actually started going after people who claimed $0 use tax in online shopping. Sure, you can keep all your receipts and try to figure your deduction correctly, but it's a hassle and a half. Thank the Great Architect for estimated tax based on income... This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5431
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Posted - 2014.06.17 09:04:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Arkumord Churhee wrote: If you had just bothered to read the thread you are posting to you'd have discovered that these prices don't apply anymore.
Still waiting for a response from CCP...
Here's your reason. Because They Can. Seriously, that's all there is to it. Region pricing is a thing. Always has been, always will be
Exactly
This is why I couldn't get Trypticon when I was a kid
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
438
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Posted - 2014.06.17 09:32:00 -
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Goti fase wrote: Items being sold in the US are not advertised with tax and stuff due to different taxation in different states. In Europe items are advertised with tax as generally the tax rate is the same for everyone.
I've always wondered how you guys cope with this. I'm English, and I was on holiday in Miami, and it drove me insane going around shops, taking things to the counter and the cashier seeming to just make up the price since the numbers on display weren't what I was being charged. I pretty much live by cash for most things (don't know why, I guess I just love holding money), but it became rapidly impossible to do that, and just default to "swipe the card, figure it out later" since I couldn't easily judge how much I needed for anything since fundamentally, the prices on the stickers were wrong.
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Florian Bao
Black Box Technologies
36
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Posted - 2014.06.17 09:46:00 -
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i suggest you switch the language to english and/or pay for codes with paypal using the USD currency. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5431
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Posted - 2014.06.17 09:58:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:[EDIT: Between that, and the abomination you guys call chocolate, I don't know how you can be considered a developed country ]
They struck out on their own before we invented Belgium to produce decent chocolate for us "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1829
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:49:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:I've always wondered how you guys cope with this. I'm English, and I was on holiday in Miami, and it drove me insane going around shops, taking things to the counter and the cashier seeming to just make up the price since the numbers on display weren't what I was being charged. I pretty much live by cash for most things (don't know why, I guess I just love holding money), but it became rapidly impossible to do that, and just default to "swipe the card, figure it out later" since I couldn't easily judge how much I needed for anything since fundamentally, the prices on the stickers were wrong. [EDIT: Between that, and the abomination you guys call chocolate, I don't know how you can be considered a developed country ]
It's honestly not THAT hard, when you've grown up with it. The tax rate is the number of cents you add to each whole dollar. Round up to the nearest whole dollar to cover change.
Ex: Sales tax is 7% in my area. I go buy something that cost. $5.50. 7 multiplied by 5 is 35. Add 35 cents. $5.85. Add another 7 cents to cover the fraction of a dollar. $5.92. I know, technically, it's less, but I suck at math. I round to the next highest dollar to be sure.
Honestly, the Euro system is simpler, but USA. We like doing things our way. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18817
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:39:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:[EDIT: Between that, and the abomination you guys call chocolate, I don't know how you can be considered a developed country ] They struck out on their own before we invented Belgium to produce decent chocolate for us American chocolate, smells like vomit, tastes like it has been at the bottom of a filthy vacuum cleaner for weeks
OP the difference in price means that the Kardashian family stay where they belong, and that we get decent chocolate
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