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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.06.16 21:55:00 -
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Soldier Forrester wrote:you can also fly the Barghest like a mwd Machariel (ofc with specialised hardeners) If you can afford T2 and faction ammo (which you should if you fly a ship like this) you can get over 1,5k DPS with implants...
[Barghest, Torp Macha] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Caldari Navy Co-Processor
Gist C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Pith C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II
Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Auto Targeting System II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Gecko x1
Machs dont generally use that much tank do they? |
GordonO
The Oasis Group
52
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Posted - 2014.06.17 00:49:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Why people insist on sticking an MJD on every single mission battleship I'll never know. IT's not like you're going to have trouble tanking in this ship if you insist on using it in L4s, at least use an MWD/AB to make use of the sexy speed, it will be more useful for getting from gate to gate. MJD makes a ship essentially unkillable in L4's....
As does a bastion module on a T2 fit marauder.
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Aloron
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.17 02:39:00 -
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Not everyone likes to PVP in the game .. and when running lvl 4 missions is nice to have a range of different ships to fly in instead of always looking at the same old Typhoon, Tempest and what not ..
The other reason I asked for advice was because when you load up EFT and do that setup its is a lot more tank than a Typhoon ..
Also why would anyone pay 1.8b on a ship , if your crafty enough you can buy the bpc for 1 .. |
stoicfaux
4986
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Posted - 2014.06.17 02:47:00 -
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Soldier Forrester wrote:you can also fly the Barghest like a mwd Machariel (ofc with specialised hardeners) If you can afford T2 and faction ammo (which you should if you fly a ship like this) you can get over 1,5k DPS with implants...
[Barghest, Torp Macha] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Caldari Navy Co-Processor
Gist C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Pith C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II
Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Auto Targeting System II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Gecko x1
A HAM Tengu will kill level 4 NPCs faster. An HML Tengu will kill all but Sansha battleships faster as well.
Without rigors and TPs, you're wasting your time with rage torps except when you're shooting structures.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
605
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Posted - 2014.06.17 03:06:00 -
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GordonO wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Why people insist on sticking an MJD on every single mission battleship I'll never know. IT's not like you're going to have trouble tanking in this ship if you insist on using it in L4s, at least use an MWD/AB to make use of the sexy speed, it will be more useful for getting from gate to gate. MJD makes a ship essentially unkillable in L4's.... As does a bastion module on a T2 fit marauder.
Having half a brain and a decent fit T1 Battleship will also make you unkillable in L4 missions...
Honestly L4s are so predictable and easy that if you're competent pilot losing one is nearly impossible, I missioned in Ravens with low skills ages ago before MJDs were introduced and never even came close to losing my ship. MWDs are far more useful for positioning your ship and burning to gates/mission items.
I also notice that people often run only an MJD with no other prop mod, this means that your triangulations have to be perfect or you'll end up having to slowboat at an extremely slow speed, even if you miss the outgate by only 10km you'll still waste alot of valuable time. Also the small amount of extra gank you can slap on with MJD fits are often outweighed by things like wasted volleys, inability to effectively use combat drones and the aforementioned slowboating problems. I've tried MJDs extensively and honestly, regular tank/gank fits with a prop mod are better 90% of the time.
Aloron wrote:Not everyone likes to PVP in the game .. and when running lvl 4 missions is nice to have a range of different ships to fly in instead of always looking at the same old Typhoon, Tempest and what not ..
The other reason I asked for advice was because when you load up EFT and do that setup its is a lot more tank than a Typhoon ..
Also why would anyone pay 1.8b on a ship , if your crafty enough you can buy the bpc for 1 ..
Even if you buy the BPC for 1, you are still 'paying' 1.8 bil if you use materials you mined yourself to build it. Even if you buy the built ship for 1 and the market is selling it at 1.8bil, you didn't get it 'cheaper' because you're paying for the cost of not selling it on the market and making a profit. Oppurtunity cost, look it up. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
937
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Posted - 2014.06.17 03:37:00 -
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Soldier Forrester wrote:you can also fly the Barghest like a mwd Machariel (ofc with specialised hardeners) If you can afford T2 and faction ammo (which you should if you fly a ship like this) you can get over 1,5k DPS with implants...
[Barghest, Torp Macha] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Caldari Navy Co-Processor
Gist C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Pith C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II
Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Auto Targeting System II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Gecko x1
EFT warrior at its finest. Not even one TP with torpedoes?..... |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
606
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Posted - 2014.06.17 05:22:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Soldier Forrester wrote:you can also fly the Barghest like a mwd Machariel (ofc with specialised hardeners) If you can afford T2 and faction ammo (which you should if you fly a ship like this) you can get over 1,5k DPS with implants...
[Barghest, Torp Macha] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Caldari Navy Co-Processor
Gist C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Pith C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II
Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo Auto Targeting System II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Gecko x1
EFT warrior at its finest. Not even one TP with torpedoes?.....
Don't forget the 4x Cap Mods for the all important hallmark of EFT warriors: Cap Stable + Gist boosters.
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Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
145
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Posted - 2014.06.17 06:22:00 -
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Try this :
Pretty cheap and effective.
Just MJD out and shoot them from 100km+ Circle the rep when you need it.
[Typhoon, L4 SNIPER] 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Armor Repairer II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
100MN Afterburner II Large Micro Jump Drive Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile [empty high slot]
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Gecko x2 Hobgoblin II x5
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.06.17 14:07:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:.
I also notice that people often run only an MJD with no other prop mod, this means that your triangulations have to be perfect or you'll end up having to slowboat at an extremely slow speed, even if you miss the outgate by only 10km you'll still waste alot of valuable time. Also the small amount of extra gank you can slap on with MJD fits are often outweighed by things like wasted volleys, inability to effectively use combat drones and the aforementioned slowboating problems. I've tried MJDs extensively and honestly, regular tank/gank fits with a prop mod are better 90% of the time.
I normally triangulate myself literally on top of the gate. I don't think you understand how big the gate's structure signature (or whatever you call it) is. Even if you do miss it will be by ~4 km and not 10 which isnt an issue either as you can just shoot a BS while you slowboat for 20 seconds.
Unbonused combat drones are never that effective anyway, just blap your frigs when they approach your ship thats 100 km away rather than having to watch drone HP and pull them in 3 times while they try to kill a elite frig. |
Lido Seahawk
Norr Amalgamated Industries
120
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Posted - 2014.06.17 16:26:00 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Every time you post a fit that bad, God kills a kitten.
You say that like its a bad thing.... ? Can I have your stuff? |
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Ginger Barbarella
1943
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:01:00 -
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If you have that much isk to WASTE, please feel free to donate a few billion ISK to me.
Thanks. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ginger Barbarella
1943
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:04:00 -
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IIshira wrote:I run missions and would love to fly a Barghest because it's an awesome looking ship but it would be the equivalent of using a Bhaalgorn for missions...
So much this... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Barghiest
Obfuscated Men of Grief
0
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Posted - 2014.09.04 15:43:00 -
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I'll get one because, well, name and fit RHML and run Lvl 3 missions in style.
Apparently, CPP couldn't spell it properly because I already had the name taken; mwahahaha. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1189
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Posted - 2014.09.04 15:59:00 -
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Barghiest wrote:I'll get one because, well, name and fit RHML and run Lvl 3 missions in style.
Apparently, CPP couldn't spell it properly because I already had the name taken; mwahahaha.
How many pages back did you go to find a post from June?
Why level 3's? It's not good enough for level 1's? |
Barghiest
Obfuscated Men of Grief
0
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Posted - 2014.09.04 16:31:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Barghiest wrote:I'll get one because, well, name and fit RHML and run Lvl 3 missions in style.
Apparently, CPP couldn't spell it properly because I already had the name taken; mwahahaha. How many pages back did you go to find a post from June? Why level 3's? It's not good enough for level 1's?
LOL; I saw the ship, looked at my name, and said to myself, well, I gotta have one of these (been a way a while), did a search and .... Necro'd |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1231
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Posted - 2014.09.04 17:51:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Barghiest wrote:I'll get one because, well, name and fit RHML and run Lvl 3 missions in style.
Apparently, CPP couldn't spell it properly because I already had the name taken; mwahahaha. How many pages back did you go to find a post from June? Why level 3's? It's not good enough for level 1's?
Can't do most lvl 1 because of accel gates sadly... |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
427
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:39:00 -
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Just some general comments on the various fits. If you're spending that much on a hull it's only prudent that you use dead space invuls to protect it from being ganked. Fitting a pair of B-type invuls will put off 99.99% of gankers. If you can afford A-type I would use those on that ship. Even elite gank squads will take around a week to scout you and prepare to take you down. This is easily noticed, so you can just move to another mission system and avoid being ganked.
T2 rigs and dead space fitting will keep you gank safe. Putting a bit of bling in the other mods (CN BCU for example) will up your mission efficiency greatly. Finally, who would honestly feel good about t2 fittings on this magnificent beast. It pretty much deserves a sprinkling of bling. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4658
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:41:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Just some general comments on the various fits. If you're spending that much on a hull it's only prudent that you use dead space invuls to protect it from being ganked. Fitting a pair of B-type invuls will put off 99.99% of gankers. If you can afford A-type I would use those on that ship. Even elite gank squads will take around a week to scout you and prepare to take you down. This is easily noticed, so you can just move to another mission system and avoid being ganked.
T2 rigs and dead space fitting will keep you gank safe. Putting a bit of bling in the other mods (CN BCU for example) will up your mission efficiency greatly. Finally, who would honestly feel good about t2 fittings on this magnificent beast. It pretty much deserves a sprinkling of bling. also, if someone steals your mission item and goes flashy yellow, shoot him, hes after your loot and if you don't defend it you will lose it. =][= |
Supremacyy
Systems High Guard
5
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:44:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Just some general comments on the various fits. If you're spending that much on a hull it's only prudent that you use dead space invuls to protect it from being ganked. Fitting a pair of B-type invuls will put off 99.99% of gankers. If you can afford A-type I would use those on that ship. Even elite gank squads will take around a week to scout you and prepare to take you down. This is easily noticed, so you can just move to another mission system and avoid being ganked.
T2 rigs and dead space fitting will keep you gank safe. Putting a bit of bling in the other mods (CN BCU for example) will up your mission efficiency greatly. Finally, who would honestly feel good about t2 fittings on this magnificent beast. It pretty much deserves a sprinkling of bling. also, if someone steals your mission item and goes flashy yellow, shoot him, hes after your loot and if you don't defend it you will lose it.
All very good advice if you're going to run missions with a Barghest. CN BCU's are okay but try to get officer if you can. They really help your damage output. |
Supremacyy
Systems High Guard
5
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:06:00 -
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Here's the general idea. This is fully cap stable and can tank any mission AFK so you don't have to worry about a thing. You can replace the Chelm's power diagnostics with faction but you won't be cap stable. This sort of defeats the purpose of the ship so not recommended.
[Barghest, AFK Missions] Kaikka's Modified Ballistic Control System Kaikka's Modified Ballistic Control System Kaikka's Modified Ballistic Control System Kaikka's Modified Ballistic Control System Chelm's Modified Power Diagnostic System Chelm's Modified Power Diagnostic System
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith A-Type EM Ward Field
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile [empty high slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
'Augmented' Hammerhead x5 'Augmented' Hobgoblin x5
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4670
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:45:00 -
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That's Glorious. =][= |
Kyoko Onzo
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:41:00 -
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As much as I enjoyed the last few posts here how did nobody earlier on not notice the obvious troll?? I mean seriously, the fit has 2 cap rechargers just to run.... 2 invuln fields???!? Really?! |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
533
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Posted - 2014.09.06 03:16:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:That's Glorious. My right foot wont stop tapping, and I seem to be salivating. I think something is wrong. I really do want to see one of these up close someday. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
96
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Posted - 2014.09.18 07:51:00 -
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Aloron wrote:
Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
What the hell is this? xD
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
340
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:40:00 -
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It's pretty straightforward to run all of the level 4 missions in dual drakes. You could do it with one drake too but it lacks dps so 2 is better.
I've never seen a reason to want to spend much money on a mission ship. That said, I don't mission much either so it's not a priority for me to spend money on it or to want to look good doing it.
T- |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1268
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:31:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Aloron wrote:
Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
What the hell is this? xD
A one billion ISK, 582 DPS fail?... I'm just guessing though. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
97
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:53:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Aloron wrote:
Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
What the hell is this? xD A one billion ISK, 582 DPS fail?... I'm just guessing though.
1 billion? Too cheap... |
elitatwo
Congregatio
302
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:40:00 -
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Supremacyy wrote: Here's the general idea. This is fully cap stable and can tank any mission AFK so you don't have to worry about a thing. You can replace the Chelm's power diagnostics with faction but you won't be cap stable. This sort of defeats the purpose of the ship so not recommended.
[Barghest, AFK Missions] Kaikka's Modified Ballistic Control System Kaikka's Modified Ballistic Control System Kaikka's Modified Ballistic Control System Kaikka's Modified Ballistic Control System Chelm's Modified Power Diagnostic System Chelm's Modified Power Diagnostic System
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith A-Type EM Ward Field
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile [empty high slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
'Augmented' Hammerhead x5 'Augmented' Hobgoblin x5
Hey that's all crap!
Estamel is the way to go here, what could possibly go wrong?? signature |
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