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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.06.18 13:25:00 -
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lol. that reminds me how I used to refine everything i collected from belt rats. everything. it was like, a month before anyone asked what the noobie was doing with all his stuff. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Gaijin Lanis
Surely You're Joking
101
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Posted - 2014.06.18 13:31:00 -
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Meytal wrote:tom trade valine wrote:Another drastic change is that blueprints safely stored in a regular station can no longer be used for jobs in Starbase structures. Players will still be able to remotely start Starbase jobs from several solar systems away, but the blueprints will now have to be physically available in the structure for it to properly start. This is one of the few good ideas with this set of changes. The fact that you can't earn mountains of ISK completely risk-free is a theme that runs central to the game. Why the current situation was even allowed to begin with boggles my mind. The problem there is the removal of slots, payments to ethereal entities that can move around the universe at will for any and every job (to steal your phrase), and removing the ability to install blueprints remotely is a triple nerf to a problem that wasn't all that severe in the first place.
As one needed a sizable number of labs constantly running on rather high investment BPOs in order to break even on fuel costs for the month.
They're also nerfing the maximum ME level as well, so its actually a quadruple nerf. The above was written and posted with nothing but love in my heart for all. |
Selaria Unbertable
POS Mortem Renegades Of Silence
38
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Posted - 2014.06.18 13:36:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:With Crius, the next EVE Online release to be published on July 22nd, major changes will come to Industry and with that you will also see tweaks and changes related to player-owned starbases (POS). A brief overview of the most important changes: - Reprocessing POS Arrays will change and be more efficient
- Compression Arrays will be introduced
- Other industry related Arrays (eg. for research, invention and manufacturing) will receive a bonus for each additionally similar structure anchored at the same POS
- Faction standing requirements to anchor POS are removed
- Starbase Defense Management skill requires only Anchoring 4 instead of Anchoring 5
Much more information and all the details are available in CCP Ytterbium's latest dev blog Starbase changes for Crius.
While I do like most of these changes, and really can't wait until July 22nd, I agree with the general criticism on the "Structure cost scaling". Anchoring and onlining/offlining 50 (FIFTY!) Equipment assembly arrays is not only extremely time consuming, it's also counteracting CCPs efforts to negate the current overcomplexity of submitting jobs at POSes. I don't see myself buying and anchoring about a hundred of additional arrays, onlining and offlining them when needed, just to get a discount. That is just too much hassle. Furthermore, as we cannot precisely calculate the exact costs of jobs in the systems we build in, there is currently no way to determine the break even point on the investment of otherwise useless arrays.
I think the suggestion with making arrays upgradeable seems so much better.
Another way of encouraging people to use a larger number of different arrays would be to increase the individual bonus of a single array, and make it stack with other bonuses of the same category. E.g. give ship assemblies a flat, not stacking 4% bonus, which adds up to a total of 24% if a player has all six of them, and only stack for different types of arrays in that category (meaning that a medium and a small ship assembly array provide an 8% bonus together, two small array only a 4% bonus).
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Whang'Lo
Perkone Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:54:00 -
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This still does nothing for the #1 problem regarding player owned stations:
The vast ocean in high sec of POS's sitting there doing absolutely nothing. In fact these changes will make this problem even worse since it will remove standing requirements.
So now everyone can own a POS in high sec that sits there and does absolutely nothing!
Seriously though wouldn't there be a way to make it where POS's go away after a couple of weeks of sitting there with no fuel? Seems like this would be pretty easy.
A Paranoid is just someone with all the facts - William Burroughs |
Flay Nardieu
Forgotten Union of Knackered Tradesfolk Universal Rockstars
36
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:31:00 -
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Ideally POS arrays would maintain a fixed limit in concurrent jobs and not be affected by scalability as well as the mobile labs having a fixed slot amount with bonuses appropriate for the type of lab but not specific slots for individual tasks (i.e. ME, TE, Copy and Invention). Understandably it would require a moderate amount of complexity under the new UI interface to implement but nothing more dramatic than a programming paradigm similar to using interfaces and overloading classes in C++/C# at least I perceive it in that manner.
With all the major improvements pending in the next release, the sticking points are very significant and quite frankly are change for the sake of change or catering to some sort of ideology contrary to what is viable for any person or group that plays Eve for entertainment primarily not as an obsessive hobby / second job.
I really like to hear something from someone who actually knows in the development process Why and What to these points:
- Why the blanket removal of standings in anchoring POS's, when an encroachment model makes more sense.
- Why remove remote from office when it, contrary to many claims, does not add significant or in high-sec virtually no risk vs. reward benefits.
- Why add labor costs / taxes to POS activities (other than an arbitrary currency sink) since the working model and logical extrapolations would dictate, labor forces in particular, are not valid.
As an informed and thinking consumer I just can not accept "Because it was easier" or anything similar.
So... I am a carebear, Really?-á Ok.... I'll be CRAZY Bear then! |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
434
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:34:00 -
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Gaijin Lanis wrote:The problem is the removal of slots, payments to ethereal entities that can move around the universe at will for any and every job (to steal your phrase), and removing the ability to install blueprints remotely is a triple nerf to a problem that wasn't all that severe in the first place.
As one needed a sizable number of labs constantly running on rather high investment BPOs in order to break even on fuel costs for the month.
They're also nerfing the maximum ME level as well, so its actually a quadruple nerf. I totally agree that payments to non-entities is utter BS, as I've stated multiple times. In an age where we have fully automated PI facilities on varying hostile planetary environments, we still haven't figured out how to automate a completely self-contained manufacturing facility.
The no-slots thing has merit for when you're willing to trade increased manufacturing costs for faster production, but the lack of any option for queuing when desired means they still haven't really thought this out very well. As it appears now, we will be forced to rush all of our jobs, at increased costs, instead of pacing ourselves and spreading the jobs out, if we so desired.
They're simplifying the math by changing the focus of ME/PE research. Currently, you spend a fixed, pre-determined amount of time to gain decreasing improvements on blueprints. After sometimes an extreme ME limit for some items, you could have a perfect BPO (say, ME 3200 for EMP XL ammo).
With the change, you have 10 ME levels, and (as I understand it) ME 10 is the "perfect" ME. ME 10 EML XP BPO will be the new perfect. However, you take increasingly longer lengths of time to train each level for a fixed, pre-determined increase.
The ME change is only a nerf in that now, ME 1 means 5% waste is reduced while in the future it means only 1% waste is reduced. Theoretically, the time spent to obtain a perfect BPO for an item with large quantities of materials is the same under both systems, while times for intermediate ME levels will differ. You just won't be able to spend the barest, minimal amount of time for a huge 5% gain any longer. I'm not excited about that, since I've benefited from it as well, but it makes sense to change it in this manner. A finer granularity would have been nice though.
The cost scaling with multiple structures is pants-on-head ******** (filtered? really??), but I've tried to let others say that so far since I couldn't think of a nicer way to phrase it and still convey my meaning. Limited slots makes FAR more sense. Even upgrading the facilities makes more sense if this broken mechanic is going to be pushed through, though upgrading would generally convey more than a mere job installation cost reduction. It would imply better automation for one, which we apparently haven't figured out yet.
The bulk of my complaints about the changes center squarely around the installation ISK costs for W-space and for Sov Nullsec that I feel should not exist. I've not really considered the changes from the point of view of the industrialist who doesn't already live out of a POS (W-space, sometimes Null), but these changes could hurt them even more. At least in W-space, the POS exists primarily because of residency needs, so you're paying fuel costs regardless.
Personally, if we still don't know how to automate things, then I think "work force" changes should come in conjunction with PI changes to allow us to produce (train, etc) citizens on our planets. We would train Engineers, Soldiers, Scientists, (Slaves?), etc. and then feed them to our industrial facilities. Hisec, Lowsec, NPC Null would already have populations ready, managed by the Sov holder, so paying for a "work force" makes sense. Sov Null and W-space, you bring your own, it's up to you to do or not do.
But if we can automate PI facilities that build things on planets, why do we suddenly require manual labor crews to build things in space? |
Yinmatook
Skilled Refugees Carthaginian Naval Supply Industries
15
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Posted - 2014.06.18 17:03:00 -
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Should the Reprocessing Array be working on SiSi at this point? Because it appears that it is giving just the base 52% refine.
I took 200 units of Solid Pyroxeres to a 50% station and reprocessed it and got a reported 67% result. But another 200 units of Solid Pyroxeres in a Reprocessing Array achieved a 52% result (with the same character). |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
475
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Posted - 2014.06.18 17:45:00 -
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While reading through this thread, one reoccurring thought keeps hitting me - instead of CCP having some ridiculous aspect of stacking station modules for a bonus effect, why not have these "working teams" offer the bonuses instead? Various teams would have various levels of quality similar to how agents used to have quality (until CCP did not like everyone gathering around one agent while others idled, but now are going full circle - but I digress) and have them for various amounts of time: one time deal, one week, one month. Or have a player pay a huge cost in ISK and keep them permanently as part of their station.
Perhaps I am missing the obvious. |
Kusum Fawn
State Protectorate Caldari State
479
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:05:00 -
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If we are paying people to do our research now, and to build our things how do we have skill limitations at all? I'm not building it, and so why does my having Cruiser construction 4 have anything to do with the guys building the ship for me ?
Teams are stupid, Cost scaling is stupid. Array onlineing games are stupid.
Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
436
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:31:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:If we are paying people to do our research now, and to build our things how do we have skill limitations at all? I'm not building it, and so why does my having Cruiser construction 4 have anything to do with the guys building the ship for me ? Excellent point.
Under this new system, output quality / chance of success / production time / etc. should become a function of cost only, and no longer a function of cost AND skill. The majority of the skills would have no purpose any longer, and skills that were for research and manufacture only, which excludes Graviton Physics/etc, should have their SP refunded.
Then we would only need skills like "Manufacturing Connections" or "Scientific Connections" to determine our skill at managing project teams and reducing hiring costs. And if the teams were affiliated with any particular faction, as everything NPC is, standings with the respective entities would further impact relations with the work teams: tree-hugging hippie Gallente work crews wouldn't work quite as hard for, or be quite as happy with, a hardened Amarrian former slave-lord contractor who was an enemy of the Gallente Federation, if they would work for them at all.
Once you start introducing NPCs, contrary to the stated goals of the game to put everything in player hands, you have to fully realize the benefits, drawbacks, and repercussions of using NPCs. And unfortunately, that brings everything full circle back to mission grinding for standings ... that you guys are trying to get rid of. |
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Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
135
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Posted - 2014.06.18 19:29:00 -
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While I appreciate that you share ideas with us in a dev blog, I am sorry to say that the proposed changes do not look so good. I still have the impression that the proposed game mechanics are not yet thought through. Yet, you would like to go live in a month...
Is there a way to convince you that you need more time?
On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid. |
Gaijin Lanis
Surely You're Joking
104
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Posted - 2014.06.18 19:38:00 -
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The cool thing about industrial changes is the entire system can be completely wrecked and slowly rebuilt, as, right now, in preparation for the next few months of complete economic chaos, industrialists are busily deepening their stockpiles, so they can sell oceans of crap for 2-4 times as much as it is currently worth.
To say, there will still be a semi-stable market when crius goes live. If the procurer is any indication, market stability will be pretty much unaffected for the next year or more, despite the rug being yanked from under it.
The problem is CCP will take the temporary post-crius stability as "mission accomplished" then move on to do other things. So when pre-crius stockpiles start running dry, and prices start skyrocketing, then CCP will go into panic mode.
I hope you haven't made any significant investments. The above was written and posted with nothing but love in my heart for all. |
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
436
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Posted - 2014.06.18 19:45:00 -
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Apologies if these questions have been asked and answered previously:
1) Have any decisions been made regarding repurposing or reimbursing the soon-to-be-useless Metallurgy skill and implants?
2) Have any decisions been made regarding reimbursement of ME/PE levels above 10 on currently researched BPOs? |
Alain Kinsella
127
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Posted - 2014.06.18 20:01:00 -
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Sizeof Void wrote: 1) Have any decisions been made regarding repurposing or reimbursing the soon-to-be-useless Metallurgy skill and implants?
Metallurgy skill is used as a modifier for ME research time, 5%/level. So still worth it; Combined with just one lab you're now at a 50-55% reduced research time. Not sure about the implant though.
Also, the devblog has missed the little side bombshell brought up in the Starbases SiSi thread: Moon Mining arrays will be usable in 0.4x systems...
"The Meta Game does not stop at the game. Ever."
Currently Retired / Semi-Casual (pending changes to RL concerns).
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Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
436
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Posted - 2014.06.18 21:08:00 -
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Alain Kinsella wrote:Sizeof Void wrote: 1) Have any decisions been made regarding repurposing or reimbursing the soon-to-be-useless Metallurgy skill and implants?
Metallurgy skill is used as a modifier for ME research time, 5%/level. So still worth it; Combined with just one lab you're now at a 50-55% reduced research time. Not sure about the implant though. Here's what CCP Greyscale said earlier in his original devblog on BPO research changes:
"The Material Efficiency skill will be repurposed, stay tuned for more information on that in a future blog."
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/researching-the-future/ |
Flay Nardieu
Forgotten Union of Knackered Tradesfolk Universal Rockstars
36
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Posted - 2014.06.18 21:17:00 -
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Interesting tidbit: It only took 6 days between the opening of the feedback forum thread on Sisi to the probably firm commitment of "features" announcement in a DevBlog and this feedback thread.
Additional tidbit, that I honestly had overlooked in my continued crusade against the removal of "Remote from corporate office" campaign. Corporations that had previously used the mechanic to do their research at a POS due to the gridlock at stations in primarily ME and Copying in addition to the higher costs of having an office at a S&I station are out of luck. To put it simply any corporation that wants to use a station for anything in the S&I workflow will have to pay the significantly higher office rentals with those stations which will be compounded by the further demand for those office slots and the limited amount of office slots at stations. It is obvious those factors are going to virtually destroy new corporation start ups in S&I field while having zero impact on individuals (nor should it) So... I am a carebear, Really?-á Ok.... I'll be CRAZY Bear then! |
Maxx Run
Maxx Run Blueprint Services
26
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Posted - 2014.06.18 21:25:00 -
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Meytal for CSM!! Very eloquently put my friend...
Meytal wrote:
- The no-slots thing has merit for when you're willing to trade increased manufacturing costs for faster production
As it appears now, we will be forced to rush all of our jobs, at increased costs, instead of pacing ourselves and spreading the jobs out, if we so desired.
- The cost scaling with multiple structures is pants-on-head ******** (filtered? really??). Limited slots makes FAR more sense. Even upgrading the facilities makes more sense...
- The bulk of my complaints about the changes center squarely around the installation ISK costs...
- But if we can automate PI facilities that build things on planets, why do we suddenly require manual labor crews to build things in space?
Are we all really going to go down the route of onlining / offlining every job run? This pangs of 'Change something - anything' or 'Can't Be A****' . I know CCP have been working really hard on this, so the answer is the former. I do feel however that it is being implemented too early and there is still some work to be done.
I am not an RP'er, nor am i heavily into EvE lore, but the notion of paying installation fees for your own facilities seems ridiculous. We sell high ME - Sub-Cap Ship, Mod, Rig and Ammo BPC's - All at great prices!
The best in the game, we were genetically engineered for this work!! |
Qmamoto Kansuke
Killing with pink power
5
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Posted - 2014.06.18 22:08:00 -
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Alot of concerns in this thread but lets see if all is black and white.
-Bashing high sec offline tower is BORING, bashing high sec duckstar with pos gunners is even more BORING. -Bpos in danger?Unlimited copy lines anyone?Copy your bpos use bpcs, laugh when merc kills your pos after 4days of bashing and gets bpc, merc tears best tears? -I have to pay tax to use pos?So what you really think those big industrial corps out there will not insta increase the price on their product to cover their cost I'm sure they will.Market is self-correcting system. -Also to the people talking about pos setups, get on sisi because all these theorys are gibberish the IGB setup is no longer true.Much has changed for example no slots, you can produce everything in 1array. -No one is happy about clickfests but how about we wait until 22july before we have our opinions and give ccp a chance to show their work.
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Theodore Knox
Technologies Unlimited Superior Eve Engineering
10
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Posted - 2014.06.18 22:40:00 -
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Qmamoto Kansuke wrote:Alot of concerns in this thread but lets see if all is black and white. -I have to pay tax to use pos?So what you really think those big industrial corps out there will not insta increase the price on their product to cover their cost I'm sure they will.Market is self-correcting system. -Also to the people talking about pos setups, get on sisi because all these theorys are gibberish the IGB setup is no longer true.Much has changed for example no slots, you can produce everything in 1array. -No one is happy about clickfests but how about we wait until 22july before we have our opinions and give ccp a chance to show their work.
Have to take issue with some points.
1) I'm not sure you really understand the manufacturing market in Eve, if you think anyone can just "install increase the price". 2) We're talking about POS set ups because CCP published a dev blog telling us about a new mechanic that affects POS set ups. Its not gibberish: if you want full cost benefits, you need to fill a large Caldi Tower with the max number of arrays. 3) Let's wait until the inevitable click fest is deployed to TQ before we complain about the inevitable click fest being deployed TQ? Really? REALLY?!?!
Some of us still hold on to the rather outdated view that CCP devs aren't complete toss pots, and listen to the player base when they suggest poorly thought through changes.
The POS module stacking change is poorly thought through. 1) it is a click fest, because players will use every mechanic to compete and get ahead. 2) POS code is a mess, and this game play feature is building on that mess, and contributes to it.
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Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
438
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Posted - 2014.06.18 22:56:00 -
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I still maintain the installation costs for Sov Null and W-space should not exist.
However, if we ignore the fact that Nullsec polices their space much like W-space does, and consider the "lol lore" potential for work teams to make contractual agreements with the blue doughnut to fly to destination systems unimpeded, I can still see an ISK sink related to hiring specialist teams in Sov Nullsec. The routes are well-known, if only a tad dangerous. The costs will be greater than in Hisec, naturally, but it's not impossible.
The same cannot be said for W-space. The routes are not well known at all -- in fact they are completely random -- and a specialist team trying to fly around W-space would last maybe 5-10 minutes before exploding. Many W-space entities don't even go to K-space for a week or more, so the "lol lore" explanation for contractual agreements doesn't even fly.
If a trade-off is required, then drop the specialist teams from W-space. W-space is categorized as a separate universe, so it would be very easy to limit advertisements to K-space universe. The prices in W-space would also be the highest in the game due to the lowest demand in the game, so they likely won't be used very often anyway.
By and large, the overall framework looks great, and will spice things up in Hisec for sure. Unfortunately, what works in Hisec doesn't work everywhere else, and this is just another example of such. There is still plenty of time before Crius to get some of these glitches straightened out, as they seem relatively minor even if their impact is generating a lot of noise. The "Array Stacking" mistake can just be dropped, and bonuses pushed to after-Crius, to work on something worth being proud of.
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Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
238
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:04:00 -
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Quote: Example: I have 100 units of Veldspar in the Compression Array with a total volume of 10m3. After compressing them I will receive 1 unit of Compressed Veldspar with a volume of 0.15m3 (this may displayed as 0.2 in the client due to how rounding works). Will rounding also translate the same when moving compressed ore to an Orca, Rorqual or Freighter? Losing .05m3 X 1 is not an issue, lose .05m3 X 500,000 = 25,000m3. Rorqual Ore Hold = 250,000m3 = 1,666,666 compressed Veldspar @ .15m3 per OR 1,250,000 @ .2m3
Quote:Removing slots from industry jobs discourage players from stacking more than one Starbase structure of the same type at a Control Tower. To counteract this point, we are going to give specific bonuses when Starbase structures of the same type are stacked together at the same control tower. So the only way to get maximum bonus is to have completely undefended large Caldari pos's. (Such a nice income earner for any group that controls Nitrogen production)
Quote:This bonus is going to be a flat reduction on the whole job cost price, whose amount and total bonus varies depending on the Starbase structure itself. So Pos's are getting specific bonuses to different types of Assembly Arrays?
Quote:Newly formed corporations will need to wait 7 days before being able to anchor Starbases. This is to inhibit players from immediately moving Starbase assets to another corporation if under a war declaration. Seriously naive
Quote:Improving Mobile Laboratories Seriously, who in their right mind is going to use mobile laboratories? They are now nothing more than, "Come Shoot Me I Have BPO's Inside". You have essentially removed Mobile Laboratories from use for all but WH inhabitants.
"Removal of Starbase Assembly Line settings"; Does this mean, anyone with access to the Pos will now have access to any labs that may be inside it? My opinions are mine. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK. Just don't bother Hating - I don't care.. |
Qmamoto Kansuke
Killing with pink power
5
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:09:00 -
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Labs are also used for invention and I'm not sure but i think that inventing in pos was faster than in station. |
Tsuna Lamperouge
Anoikis Vergence Critically Unstable
0
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:27:00 -
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CCP are there any plans for getting rid of a POS after its been offline for a certain period of time ? Cause I'm guessing eventually all the moons in hisec will be taken and bashing a tower is too tedious and boring to do in high.... |
Maxx Run
Maxx Run Blueprint Services
26
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:56:00 -
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I really hope that Singularity does not accurately reflect the costs due to be instigated in Crius?!
Please find the results of some of my investigations here.
The results are not entirely comparable as the System Cost Index (SCI) goes up much faster than i predicted, hence the POS results being at 1/3, unlike the station i used. They still show the extremely non linear costs of research. The longer of BPO is being copied for, the cheaper it becomes (Risk > Reward?). It also demonstrates the sharp rise in job costing due to the SCI.
I will conduct a more thorough survey tomorrow, after some sleep...
Edit - Doh, shouldn't have rushed this (or kept it to myself :P). Please ignore the notes.
- The POS prices were given with an SCI of approximately 1/3, no tax.
- The Station Prices were given with a low SCI and 10% tax.
Posting when tired is never a good idea, my apologies We sell high ME - Sub-Cap Ship, Mod, Rig and Ammo BPC's - All at great prices!
The best in the game, we were genetically engineered for this work!! |
Kusum Fawn
State Protectorate Caldari State
481
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:06:00 -
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Maxx Run wrote:I really hope that Singularity does not accurately reflect the costs due to be instigated in Crius?! Please find the results of some of my investigations here. The results are not entirely comparable as the System Cost Index (SCI) goes up much faster than i predicted, hence the POS results being at 1/3, unlike the station i used. They still show the extremely non linear costs of research. The longer of BPO is being copied for, the cheaper it becomes (Risk > Reward?). It also demonstrates the sharp rise in job costing due to the SCI. I will conduct a more thorough survey tomorrow, after some sleep... Edit - Doh, shouldn't have rushed this (or kept it to myself :P). Please ignore the notes. - The POS prices were given with an SCI of approximately 1/3, no tax.
- The Station Prices were given with a low SCI and 10% tax.
Posting when tired is never a good idea, my apologies
I have found that the longer a bpo is researched for the more expensive it is. Single ME installments seem to take approximately the same amount to time as the total but each step is significantly cheaper then longer jobs.
Edit - you seem to be referring to Copy jobs, which i have not investigated yet. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
751
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:21:00 -
[266] - Quote
What will be the sources for the thukker array bpc and are they on sisi already. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
Dwayne Hycks
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.06.19 05:34:00 -
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I think that your faction standing should always play apart in which space you can build a pos! Its like saying screw all the people who grinded standings to be able to anchor a POS in the first place. There are certain things you just don't change. Its great that your trying to fix certain things but this is going to cause crazy drama. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
399
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:07:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote: right mind is going to use mobile laboratories? They are now nothing more than, "Come Shoot Me I Have BPO's Inside". You have essentially removed Mobile Laboratories from use for all but WH inhabitants.
"Removal of Starbase Assembly Line settings"; Does this mean, anyone with access to the Pos will now have access to any labs that may be inside it?
I can confirm everyone is chomping at the bit for the opportunity to grind hundreds of millions of EHP in highsec so they can find the one ******** industrialist who doesn't know how to use a corp office and is eagerly awaiting the payout for selling those ammo BPOs. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
399
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:14:00 -
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Dwayne Hycks wrote:I think that your faction standing should always play apart in which space you can build a pos! Its like saying screw all the people who grinded standings to be able to anchor a POS in the first place. There are certain things you just don't change. Its great that your trying to fix certain things but this is going to cause crazy drama.
The only people who lose are those that boosted corps - a rather peasant profession which didn't even earn a plex a month. Considering their incredibly slight benefit came from the frustration of the entire rest of the playerbase, I think you will continue to be ignored. |
Rammix
TheMurk
296
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:43:00 -
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About the Starbase Defense skill changes. Already too many people live in highsec for years without ever moving anywhere, too many people live in HS in general. And you make it for this people even easier to defend their pos-s (training pos operators becomes too much easier). I think this is stupid. And what about those who spent time (read: partial plex) to learn Anchoring-5 to be able to use pos guns? Are the SP going to be reimbursed? OpenSUSE 13.1, wine 1.7.20 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
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