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Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.16 15:50:00 -
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I want to point out the kills made by the character loyalanon and his buddies, specifically many of the kills made in Aufay (0.5) on 14th june. You can find them on eve-kill.net
I am not linking direct to the killboard, but his group (mostly his corporation "The Conference Elite" and a few others, suicide ganked freighters, many of them empty or carrying nothing of value. They also targetted other ships of value where they could cause a large isk loss to the player, even if they were certain to get nothing out of it for themselves.
It used to be just the freighters carrying too high value cargo that were targetted, but now, even empty ships are targetted.
I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change? |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:01:00 -
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Many of those ganked and pod killed were in empty freighters, or shuttles, or pretty much any ship is targetted just for the sake of getting a kill and hoping to kill a pod full of implants.
I wonder how many cancel their subscription. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:15:00 -
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When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.
It's obvious to anyone who looks at it with a clear mind. If players are not enjoying the game, they quit.
You have this certain group of players who spend all their days in empire space just destroying other players because it's the only thing that gives them pleasure in the game any more. This "style" of playing the game no doubt costs EVE many subscriptions.
It shouldn't be possible to board a ship in a system where your security status is below the acceptable limit for that system. -10? You can't board a ship in high security space, or you can but concord will be on you instantly, same as when you enter space in a ship after committing a concord sanctionable offense. Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem.
Then just keep an eye on the price of the security status repair npc drops, if it's still too cheap to get back to 0.0 security status then reduce drop rate.
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Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:21:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Noragli wrote:When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players. Blowing up a player's spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships isn't griefing.
EVE isn't only about blowing up player spaceships. If CCP ever forgets that, subs will plummit. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:26:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Noragli wrote:When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players. like the carebears who refuse to protect themselves continually demanding that other players' playstyles are nerfed? Quote:Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem. what problem? you haven't established the existence of any 'problem'.
The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space.
When a character who has aggressed concord undocks or boards a ship, his ship is barred from warping. If concord can do that, then there is no reason the same can't be applied to an outlaw who undocks or boards a ship in high security space. He should be barred from warping or activating weapons.
Ganking will still be possible, but it won't be so ridiculously easy as it is now. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:01:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Christina Project wrote:Nope.
The problem is that these people hide in station so much that people rightfully have the feeling that they can't do anything about it ... because they can't. These cowards hide, have neutral alts finding targets, undock, strike, dock up again. The whole ganking process doesn't take even a minute. The issue is NOT that they can do what they do, the issue is that they do it in the poorest possible way, negatively affecting the whole profession. What CCP needs to remove is that people can play this way, because they shouldn't. Being outlaw in highsec should be dangerous. Well ... it is ... but not for the easy-mode carebear gankers. due to previous nerfs to the ganking playstyle, gankers are forced to wait in stations for long periods of time. that is, they're forced not to play the game. there's no reason to undock at -10 until a target is found. gankers use alts like everyone else in space. gankers adapt to the game and find the most efficient way to conduct their business. if certain anti-tanked freighter pilots would do the same there'd be a lot less whining in gd Noragli wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Noragli wrote:Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem. what problem? you haven't established the existence of any 'problem'. The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space. why is that a problem?
Negging your security for ganking was supposed to be a deterrant but for most gankers it makes no difference at all. They continue to operate in high security space with -10 security status. It's not a detterant. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:09:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Noragli wrote:
I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?
How funny is it when someone hides behind an 3 month of npc corp alt just to pretend that don't actually support something that's the took the time to post about? Funny as in sad and weak that is.
It doesn't affect me if they make changes or not.
It's obvious to all but those in denial that EVE online has lost a lot of players, it may well be losing players constantly.
It's also obvious that people don't stick around in games they have a bad time in. In EVE online, for the past year or two ganking has spiralled out of control, all in the guise of "pay us 10m and follow the code or we'll gank you" They couldn't care less about the 10m, it's just an excuse to gank people.
The behaviour of these players and the ease that they can gank people in high security space will certainly be having a negative affect on the experience of many EVE online players. Normal people won't hang around, they will simply quit. By normal people I mean people who play the game for fun in their spare time, not the rabid high sec ganker types, who play only for the "tears" of other players.
Now that these ganker types are banding together the problem has become great enough that I believe CCP should act less they want to bleed subscriptions due to this group of players. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:15:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Noragli wrote:for the past year or two ganking has spiralled out of control You must be new here. You missed the golden age of ganking by a couple of years.
Ganking used to be just mostly about ganking miners in the belts. Now they just target anyone and everyone for the killmails and for lols. In the last 1-2 years freighters became a hot ganker target, they target everyone now. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:20:00 -
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Beliskner wrote:They are playing the game the way they want to play it. I don't like or agree with them but saying they shouldn't be allowed to do that is stupid.
You don't like it? Stay away from them.
I didn't say they shouldn't be allowed to do it. I said it shouldn't be so easy for them.
I do plenty of ganking myself using my catalyst alts and scout character. It's so easy and there's no risk to you, the only risk is that you'll fail the gank, and that doesn't happen often and even if it does, so what? You lost nothing you were not going to lose anyway. If you know what you're doing it's very hard to fail a gank. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:25:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Noragli wrote:
It doesn't affect me if they make changes or not.
This is a lie. Why? Read further. Quote: It's obvious to all but those in denial that EVE online has lost a lot of players, it may well be losing players constantly.
It's also obvious that people don't stick around in games they have a bad time in. In EVE online, for the past year or two ganking has spiralled out of control, all in the guise of "pay us 10m and follow the code or we'll gank you" They couldn't care less about the 10m, it's just an excuse to gank people.
The behaviour of these players and the ease that they can gank people in high security space will certainly be having a negative affect on the experience of many EVE online players. Normal people won't hang around, they will simply quit. By normal people I mean people who play the game for fun in their spare time, not the rabid high sec ganker types, who play only for the "tears" of other players.
Now that these ganker types are banding together the problem has become great enough that I believe CCP should act less they want to bleed subscriptions due to this group of players.
So it's all just 'good advice' (that advice being 'think of the children, i mean casuals') for CCP so they don't lose subs. This is also an example of "something I don't like is the root of all evil". You obviously don't like gankers, people who play for 'tears' and so forth. So obvioulsy gankers and ganking are the root causes of whatever problems you think the game has. Problem if you formed a dumb opinion without any proof (while ignoring the fact that ganking has existed for the entire duration of the game, proving that gaking is *at best* neutral when it comes to subscription numbers). You really posted this mess you posted but still want us to beleive that you are in fact a 3 month old player who didn't get ganked lol? Anyone who beleive you must also believe in ocean front property in Montana and that a random stranger in EVE Online will double your isk out of kindness.
I have two main characters, both are -10 and have only ever ganked. I also have a 3rd ganker character who is trained but I've never needed to use him.
Guess you're wrong. |
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Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:30:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:Noragli wrote:I do plenty of ganking myself using my catalyst alts and scout character. Sigh. Now I'm really confused Noragli wrote:I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly
Ganking is still possible if they stop outlaws from using ships in hi-sec. It just won't be so rampant, as people will need to fix their sec status before they can gank again. Perhaps people will stop indiscriminate ganking and save their ganks for the ones that matter.
All I see is a bunch of ***** gankers who want it to stay as easymode as it is now. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.17 15:38:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Some men just want to watch the world burn.
There's space for us all in New Eden.
While it may have sounded cool in the Dark Knight movie, it doesn't apply to EVE online, which is a computer game. If a group of players just want to watch the game burn, they are probably having a negative affect on the game. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.18 10:08:00 -
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The proof that ganking is too easy to do is when empty freighters are targetted in hi-sec space. Some were even tanked with 3 bulkheads, and empty, still ganked.
Nobody is asking for ganking to be removed, but the mechanics could use a change. Nobody should be able to stay at -10 in hi-sec and continue to gank people. Ship use should be restricted if you are an outlaw trying to use a system that is above your level of security status. You can still travel anywhere in a pod, and possible a shuttle if they allow that.
If you want to keep ganking in hi-sec , you can, but first you need to fix your sec status. I know right now that it's quite cheap using the new pirate drop, but if this change is made, more people will buy it, and the price will go up. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.18 10:34:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Noragli wrote:The proof that ganking is too easy to do is when empty freighters are targetted in hi-sec space. Some were even tanked with 3 bulkheads, and empty, still ganked.
Nobody is asking for ganking to be removed, but the mechanics could use a change. Nobody should be able to stay at -10 in hi-sec and continue to gank people. Ship use should be restricted if you are an outlaw trying to use a system that is above your level of security status. You can still travel anywhere in a pod, and possible a shuttle if they allow that.
If you want to keep ganking in hi-sec , you can, but first you need to fix your sec status. I know right now that it's quite cheap using the new pirate drop, but if this change is made, more people will buy it, and the price will go up. You realize that you write this two weeks after another nerf to ganking by a Freighter EHP buff. This is just one in a series of past nerfs to ganking and everytime the carebears say the next small nerf will fix the game for them. The problem is not the game or the current mechanics however they may be changed. The problem is that there are players that are interested in the game mechanics on one side and carebears who have no interest or clue at all on the other. If you change the current mechanics we will find a way to kill your freighter in the new system, because that's what we do. What makes you even think you are entitled to fly a freighter trough highsec without escort? Your whole perception of this game is wrong. We are here to correct it.
I never said what I suggest will fix the game, but it will help. Rarely is there any one single change that can fix something completely. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.18 13:26:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Some men just want to watch the world burn.
There's space for us all in New Eden.
Fair enough, but did this event not show that whether you were at the keyboard, carrying no or low value, fully fitted with every possible module pilots still got killed? All the defences and claims of the ganking profession as to how to survive, and pilots were doing it wrong were shown to be meaningless? So why are the same arguments being made when they are proven conclusively to be false? I cannot imagine that his is either good for freighter pilots, or the game in general. Possibly the world that burns will be your own company CCP falcon, It may be fun now but later on? Ganking has always been something I am uncomfortable with, but an understandable game choice. It does seem to have crossed a line, and when the predator prey balance gets disturbed so strongly in favour of the predator, the numbers of prey crash, and one has starving predators. Most predators do not kill wastefully. This is for the gankers to sort out in their own best interest, burning the fields and salting the earth does not lead to a full and rich hunting ground.
This guy said explained the situation very well.
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Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:34:00 -
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Galega Ori wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Some men just want to watch the world burn.
There's space for us all in New Eden.
and apparently some DEVs like to watch CCP burn. If you haven't realized (which is odd because you work for CCP) but EVE is the world and CCP thrives on that world. Maybe CCP needs to do some more layoffs before they realize "hey we have some major problems in EVE that need fixing". Gankers/Griefing in eve being a small part of it in my opinion but no less a significant cause to EVEs population of actual players and active players not being as big as it could be. side note: CCPs last layoff was around June 5th (time of post on forum) with around 49 employees in publishing without a job. the previous layoff was around the beginning of April with around 56 employees out of Atlanta with no job. That's already 105 CCP employees without a job this year alone. Do we really want to see more of this? Besides the griefing being an issue, eves market is also an issue. To think that not long ago around 2009 you could buy a Armagedon for 50mil but now they cost upwards of 170mil. That's an inflation of over triple its cost in 2009 and then you add on to that the around 100mil to fit the ship. CCP in my opinion needs to STOP listening to this player base on what needs to be done and take a step back to do what they NEED to do to keep CCP a float and make EVE what it NEEDS to be to be a successful game once again. One thing that could be done is go and ask those old players that are no longer on EVE two simple questions. 1. why did they leave EVE? and 2. what would they like to see to make them want to return to EVE? P.S. I do not wish to see any more layoffs in CCP, I would like to see CCP get back on its feet and back to the awsome work I know they can do. I'm never happy to see someone lose there job, especially if that job was working on something they love and have a great passion for. Come on CCP "spaceships is serious business" get to it.
Very true, said in words slightly different than my own. EVE is a game world, not the real world. If CCP devs want to see their game burn, it'll be there loss when there's nothing left to burn. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:05:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Spectral Tiger wrote: Easy way to check, if we can find the highest figure for online players. Obviously the normal amount at that time would be slightly less. Sunday afternoon/evening (GMT) always was the busiest time. Probably best to check from around 16:00 (GMT) onwards.
And this proves that there are less people in High Sec how? This discussion was about High Sec specifically. If there are less players in Low and Null that has no bearing whatsoever on your assertation that ganking has forced more people out of the game recently than it has in the past. And how does any of that compare with the things you can go an see for yourself RIGHT NOW in any trade hub and any ice belt in High Sec? Spectral Tiger wrote: If I was running a gaming company I would release the figures for the amount of accounts or players online if they was an increasing trend and wanted to use it for marketing purposes. However, I wouldn't release the figures if that trend was down as it's best left to speculation. Because to operate that way would be suicidal in terms of market value. The first time you dont release figures after people know thats your policy, and your share price will tank.
The discussion was never about less people in hi-sec specifically. It was about EVE online losing subscriptions.
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Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:07:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Spectral Tiger wrote:Easy way to check, if we can find the highest figure for online players. Obviously the normal amount at that time would be slightly less.
Sunday afternoon/evening (GMT) always was the busiest time. Probably best to check from around 16:00 (GMT) onwards.
Of course if the figures are indeed increasing we should be getting a new record breaking amount of players online each month.
Find it strange that CCP won't release the figures (from what I heard). If I was running a gaming company I would release the figures for the amount of accounts or players online if they was an increasing trend and wanted to use it for marketing purposes. However, I wouldn't release the figures if that trend was down as it's best left to speculation. If you're so sure that this is the case then you should share your evidence, because looking at Chribba's handy eveoffline graphs the PCU has been fairly static for the last 3 months, the PCU for the last 24 hours peaked at around 38000 characters. The last 6 months show a slight dip in PCU, it is however now climbing again. As for driving people away, according to the same source, an approximate average of 1.6 new characters was created every minute for the last 48 hours.
38,000 is very low compared to what they used to get. Often 50k online, I think 68k was the record. They don't anywhere even close to those numbers any more.
1.6 characters created every minute for 48 hours. This proves what exactly? |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:10:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Noragli wrote:
The discussion was never about less people in hi-sec specifically. It was about EVE online losing subscriptions.
Please explain how you suicide gank in Low Sec and NullSec, being as how thats the title of thread Noragli wrote:A -10 character, or a character with sec status below the accepted system minimum requirement should not be able to chain gank people. They should be barred from boarding a ship in high security space, or at least barred from entering warp in any ship except for a pod. It's exactly the same as when a concord flagged player tries to undock in a ship or board a ship, concord has you blocked from activating your warp drive. If concord can already do this, then there's no reason why they can't do this automatically to players who fall below the minimum system security status. They can still travel through empire in a pod, they just can't chain gank people. It's stupid that concord would allow this to happen. There is no CONCORD in Low and Null and -10 means nothing
So you're claiming that anyone who uses nullsec never gets ganked in hi-sec? Very false.
The fact that you're trying to win arguments by nitpicking just proves how desperate you are to look like you are in the right. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:40:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Noragli wrote: The discussion was never about less people in hi-sec specifically. It was about EVE online losing subscriptions.
Um, horseshit. You're crying about ganking, which only effects people in highsec. So your doubletalk won't fly. Don't think anyone is saying ganking is responsible all by itself, but a lot of people think it does have a part to play, including one well known ganker even if he is in semi-retirement. There are other factors the high price of PLEX on the in-game market has been responsible for some alt accounts being closed. We're also likely to see a dip in numbers because of the Summer. I'm sure there's plenty of other reasons of which some of them will be personal reasons.
Exactly, ganking is part of the problem. When players are ganked relentlessly, in any game, a lot of them quit that game. EVE is no exception. Given enough time, players learn how to abuse systems. The systems are old and are being abused to the point that suicide ganking is done even to targets of no value, just for killmails and the hope that someone has an expensive pod full if implants.
The system needs an update to curb this behaviour. |
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Noragli
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:55:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Why does the OP have a thread title Most efficient orca ganking crew for 0.5 in C&P? Is this entire threadnaught an elaborate troll? Has the OP changed her mind and ganking her comrades now? OP from the other thread: Quote:I'm not part of a massive gank alliance like CODE and don't have those numbers of pilots available to me. I don't know the DPS numbers on T3 BC like Talos. I need specific numbers or the gank can fail.
Because I posted this thread and my opinion on the state of ganking does not mean I am not allowed to gank an Orca. |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.07.28 15:52:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Noragli wrote:Because I posted this thread and my opinion on the state of ganking does not mean I am not allowed to gank an Orca. You're allowed to do anything you want within the operating rules of the sandbox. However, it does seem hypocritical for you to want to gank another player's ship while simultaneously (1) creating a complaint thread about being ganked yourself (or your friends, or whoever), and (2) seeking out advice from the very people you have created this thread as a complaint against.
It's not hypocritical. A one off gank of an Orca is vastly difference than a large group of organised players who play the game solely for the purpose of ganking as many ships as they can, even when there is no profit to be had. Empty freighters, even when tanked, are sometimes killed just because they can (proof that ganking is too easy or that the punishment is not severe enough) |
Noragli
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:09:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:We should end this thread.
It's just agenda with negative outlook for the game.
Yes there is an agenda, to make ganking harder. You only just got that? The pointless ganking of empty ships in what is supposed to be a reasonably safe area of space by large groups of organised players is not good for the game. |
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