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Chewytowel Haklar Interstellar Angels of the Crimson Void 5	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:23:00 - [1] - Quote So I've done career agent missions, worked my way up to level 3 security missions, done distribution missions, improved my standings with Caldari State.... Let me ask you guys a question first off...what the heck is the point of doing a courier mission when millions are required in collateral and they only pay a couple hundred thousand? Why should I even waste my time with these lol. I ask this cause I figure I would try these types of objectives to see if it is interesting and nope...just boring. The corp I am in got wardec'd by some guy looking for easy kills and that just meant we had to play possum cause none of us had a chance to take the dude out. Is pvp really so scarce that people literally have to wardec or pvp roam just to find some action? I've been with players who can do security level 4 and make tons of isk off of these and yet I see no real point to these tedious and boring type of gameplay. I've tried to get into the pvp side a little bit but as a new player I get destroyed... I don't know...I was hoping this game had more depth, but all it seems to have is timers attached to skills that take weeks/months/years to train for just so you can hopefully have some fun in this game. I read that some chick online decided to become a pirate and managed to go out and see several big battles...yeah I haven't seen anything at all like that lol. Every single way I look in this game something is going to take me a ton of time to do, or perhaps I just lack imagination. But bounty hunting is pointless as you only get 20% of the worth of the ship and yeah that stinks... Living in WH space isn't possible as I have no idea how to survive sleepers or the onslaught of those who make billions hunting others down. Perhaps I just want pve content that guides me and I am too used to that... But where is the action in this game?
Karen Avioras Unsung Heroes Spaceship Samurai 882	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:26:00 - [2] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: But where is the action in this game? everywhere... join RvB or something for highsec action.
CompleteFailure Polaris Rising The Bastion 149	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:30:00 - [3] - Quote So, getting a wardec automatically means you don't undock? Who told you that, your corp? Have you even tried to fight any of the deccers? Sounds to me like you're just in a shi**y corp. Find better people to learn from.
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1279	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:30:00 - [4] - Quote EVE isn't an online game that you pick up and "beat" in a couple of months. Think of it as a hobby. This is-á a signature.
Garandras Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 192	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:31:00 - [5] - Quote People wardec carebear corps like yours for easy kills and the ransom money. but you just need to change what you are doing, and learn what else.. You could move to NPC null and play cat and mouse while you run missions or sites, you could join a WH group and learn what doing sleeper sites is all about The action in the game is all pvp based tbh.. from the market to sov its all about gaining the advantage over others. You just need to step out of your comfort zone and try something new
Paranoid Loyd 681	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:32:00 - [6] - Quote Xuixien wrote: EVE isn't an online game that you pick up and "beat" in a couple of months. Think of it as a hobby. This^ The tortoise always beats the hare in this game. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
Chewytowel Haklar Interstellar Angels of the Crimson Void 5	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:34:00 - [7] - Quote CompleteFailure wrote: So, getting a wardec automatically means you don't undock? Who told you that, your corp? Have you even tried to fight any of the deccers? Sounds to me like you're just in a shi**y corp. Find better people to learn from. We were told to dock up if you see them in the system. Don't try to give them easy kills as that will just make them keep the war going even more, so if we deny them kills they get bored and go away. The corp is filled with new and older players basically, but mostly new when we were wardec'd. We lost a few ships trying to fight the guy mostly 1 vs 1 and he owned us everytime and we never got 1 kill on him.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1946	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:35:00 - [8] - Quote I had so much action that I started mining to catch a breath. Join some people who actually do stuff instead of hiding and jerking off over shiny mission boats (docked because wardec of course). I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Paranoid Loyd 681	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:36:00 - [9] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: CompleteFailure wrote: So, getting a wardec automatically means you don't undock? Who told you that, your corp? Have you even tried to fight any of the deccers? Sounds to me like you're just in a shi**y corp. Find better people to learn from. We were told to dock up if you see them in the system. Don't try to give them easy kills as that will just make them keep the war going even more, so if we deny them kills they get bored and go away. The corp is filled with new and older players basically, but mostly new when we were wardec'd. We lost a few ships trying to fight the guy mostly 1 vs 1 and he owned us everytime and we never got 1 kill on him. There is no honor in eve. Why would you try to fight him 1v1? Gang up on him and kill him. That will make him go away faster than hiding in the station. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2328	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:37:00 - [10] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: CompleteFailure wrote: So, getting a wardec automatically means you don't undock? Who told you that, your corp? Have you even tried to fight any of the deccers? Sounds to me like you're just in a shi**y corp. Find better people to learn from. We were told to dock up if you see them in the system. Don't try to give them easy kills as that will just make them keep the war going even more, so if we deny them kills they get bored and go away. The corp is filled with new and older players basically, but mostly new when we were wardec'd. We lost a few ships trying to fight the guy mostly 1 vs 1 and he owned us everytime and we never got 1 kill on him. Leave the crappy corp. With this thread, you attracted them new wardecs and they aren't worth being with. Also ... if you want to have content, you have to go out there and play the game. There are people out there ... everywhere. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 - Cowards deserve punishment -

Chewytowel Haklar Interstellar Angels of the Crimson Void 5	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:38:00 - [11] - Quote Garandras wrote: People wardec carebear corps like yours for easy kills and the ransom money. but you just need to change what you are doing, and learn what else.. You could move to NPC null and play cat and mouse while you run missions or sites, you could join a WH group and learn what doing sleeper sites is all about The action in the game is all pvp based tbh.. from the market to sov its all about gaining the advantage over others. You just need to step out of your comfort zone and try something new I think I read that doing missions in nullsec gives you more Isk and LP, but the Null I am next to is owned by the Goons, so no hope in hell for me there lol. In fact, I have to be able to enter nullsec somewhere that isn't bubbled to hell and back and get past their sovereign space apparently. So I guess I am saying I am confused about how to go about this other then me spending hours traveling around the universe looking for possible entry points and then every time I die from Null camps having to travel all the way back to where I left off. Sorry I am not the sharpest tool in the shed lol.
Lucretia DeWinter Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 154	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:39:00 - [12] - Quote EVE University? Agony Unleashed? Red Vs Blue? Three great corps who will help show you how and what you can do with lower skillpoints. Two words for fun PVP too: Hero. Tackle. Watch Agony's 'tracking and spiralling' video http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJvRAcltnXm2t3XD8PX8Aw/videos Fit T1 frigate, go help murder things. Course, it depends a lot on what you want to do. A good idea would be to look at what your goal is. What do you want to do that you feel you can't? Think about it and be specific - you can always add new goals as you learn and improve.
Carmen Electra Drunk Chaos Blood.Drunk 511	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:40:00 - [13] - Quote Good PvP in EVE can indeed be quite scarce, which is what makes it so exciting when you do find it. Also, 1v1 is often a bad idea because 1v1 often means 1 v (1 + HG Snakes + Links + Cloaked Falcon just-in-case). As a post above me states, there really isn't any honor when it comes to winning in EVE (for better or worse). The sooner you accept this and start looking for ways to just win rather than win honorably, the better off you'll be.
Garandras Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 192	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:43:00 - [14] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I think I read that doing missions in nullsec gives you more Isk and LP, but the Null I am next to is owned by the Goons, so no hope in hell for me there lol. In fact, I have to be able to enter nullsec somewhere that isn't bubbled to hell and back and get past their sovereign space apparently. So I guess I am saying I am confused about how to go about this other then me spending hours traveling around the universe looking for possible entry points and then every time I die from Null camps having to travel all the way back to where I left off. Sorry I am not the sharpest tool in the shed lol. You just need to find the right group of people to help you, Getting into Null itself isn't overly hard when you know what you are doing. But that the thing you have to learn the tricks So I would say think about what you want t do, look for a corp that is doing said thing join up learn a new aspect of the game
Sweetsthehooker Zateki Cloaked Goof Cascade Imminent 10	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:44:00 - [15] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352673&find=unread
CompleteFailure Polaris Rising The Bastion 149	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:55:00 - [16] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: The corp I am in got wardec'd by some guy looking for easy kills Garandras wrote: People wardec carebear corps like yours for easy kills and the ransom money. Keep this in mind: the deccers aren't trying to provoke a fight, they're looking for easy ganks that, unless they're completely incompetent, never put them in a position to risk anything, because theyt war dec targets that are highly unlikely to put up any kind of fight. "Easy kill" in the minds of the deccers more often than not means "find their ratting/mining/hauling ships and gank them in a situation that is impossible to lose control of." So don't give them those easy kills! You got war decced? Great, that doesn't mean you can't go outside any more. Stop ratting, stop mining, stop hauling, and get some friends together and go do something about the deccers. Fit up some proper PVP ships (research good ships/fits if you need to), and go hunt them down. Hint: deccers often use alts that are not involved in the war dec to spot targets without being spotted themselves. Try baiting them out to judge their strength, do what you can to learn who their alts are (scour their kill mails for out of corp characters, these are most likely alts). You might surprise yourselves, and in the process find that elusive fun you were looking for. Oh yeah, guess what? There's a good chance you're still going to die to the deccers (in fact, it's highly likely). But doesn't planning a defense/retaliation and doing everything you can to execute that plan successfully seem like a lot more fun than sitting in station doing nothing, even if you lose? Trying is where the fun is at in this game, not necessarily in the win or gain. As soon as you realize that, you will no longer struggle to have fun. One last thing: if you actually follow my advice and try to get your corp mates out into the world and involved, and they refuse and still think the better option is to "turtle up," then you know without any doubt your corp is the problem. Food for thought.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 14396	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:56:00 - [17] - Quote So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content? *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
CompleteFailure Polaris Rising The Bastion 149	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:58:00 - [18] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: There is no honor in eve. Why would you try to fight him 1v1? Gang up on him and kill him. That will make him go away faster than hiding in the station. ^^THIS! A thousand times this. He's not looking for an honorable fight, so don't give it to him. Come at him with as many friends as you can get and make him f*ck off or die :D
CompleteFailure Polaris Rising The Bastion 149	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:00:00 - [19] - Quote Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352673&find=unread What does that have to do with the OP? Shameless self-promotion of an absolutely terrible idea, next please.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 647	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:03:00 - [20] - Quote Protip: EVE PVE sucks. Bad. If this is the chick you were referring to, convo her, join her, blow things up, have fun. Or join a Gallente Faction Warfare corp. Good luck!

Pok Nibin Filial Pariahs 369	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:06:00 - [21] - Quote See? He's bored. He's already done it all. How many posts like this have we fielded so far this year, and we're only halfway through it. Looks like the barn is being repainted - oink oink. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Unleashed Pestilence 690	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:08:00 - [22] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content? This sounds pretty accurate. OP, drop the bad carebear corp, and join some low sec pirate corp or high sec griefing corp where you'll actually be appreciated. There's a million of these corps out there, I don't see why finding one would be an issue. Null and W-Space are also an option, but you'll want to be working with people you trust for that. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 384	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:09:00 - [23] - Quote Runs away from wardecs, asks why there is no pvp
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 10169	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:19:00 - [24] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: Living in WH space isn't possible as I have no idea how to survive sleepers or the onslaught of those who make billions hunting others down. For many of us who live in wormhole space the last thing on our mind is sleepers. You can make a lot of monies from shooting them sure, but farming isn't what makes wormhole space the unique and fun place it is. It's all about the cloak and dagger, no local, silently hunting preople and springing some terrifying ganks on those who are there for the sleepers. As one person once posted "There's no other place in EVE where you spend your time worrying about what kind of monster may jump out of the closet at any moment." Whether you're one of those monsters, or someone trying avoid them, it's a pretty exciting environment to spend your EVE time in. As for them pesky sleepers, well as soon as you can scan confidently and fly/fit a battlecruiser effectively then you're ready to take them on (at least in lower class holes). Try it sometime ! Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Yarda Black Epidemic. Nulli Secunda 188	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:20:00 - [25] - Quote I think you would enjoy yourself more when you set smaller goals. My first goal in EVE was getting a Hulk. I saw it on the undock the first day I played. It looked great and as soon as I did the mining tutorial I knew what mining was and decided it would be a good start in EVE. I got to a retriever. That died in another goal when I steered it through all kinds of nullsec systems. Not the best ship to start a new adventure with btw. Failed reaching that goal miserably that day. You seem to understand most of the mechanics. These timers you mention could be indicators to start a new goal. Getting your hands on a ship that uses that skill or skills and figuring out how to properly use it. That may include finding people who can teach you. Although its not wrong to look to others for some inspiration, I find playing EVE with my own set of goals much more enjoyable. One of those goals being playing a sci-fi game with others in general to be fair. So some of my enjoyment comes "cheap" :) A good way to gain some inspiration could be joining a big corp that does all kinds of stuff. A container corp for lack of a better word. Ask what they're doing. Can you join in? Try it out. You're already asking people about ideas anyway. Might as well do it while in a cool looking spaceship.
Owen Levanth Federated Deep Space Explorations 177	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:39:00 - [26] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: Garandras wrote: People wardec carebear corps like yours for easy kills and the ransom money. but you just need to change what you are doing, and learn what else.. You could move to NPC null and play cat and mouse while you run missions or sites, you could join a WH group and learn what doing sleeper sites is all about The action in the game is all pvp based tbh.. from the market to sov its all about gaining the advantage over others. You just need to step out of your comfort zone and try something new I think I read that doing missions in nullsec gives you more Isk and LP, but the Null I am next to is owned by the Goons, so no hope in hell for me there lol. In fact, I have to be able to enter nullsec somewhere that isn't bubbled to hell and back and get past their sovereign space apparently. So I guess I am saying I am confused about how to go about this other then me spending hours traveling around the universe looking for possible entry points and then every time I die from Null camps having to travel all the way back to where I left off. Sorry I am not the sharpest tool in the shed lol. Entering NullSec is easy. Just jump through a couple of wormholes, done. And now CCP is flooding LowSec with a lot more wormholes, especially K-K wormholes. So the chances will be good you can easily find some wormholes leading straight into null. Just go out and fly. (You haven't lived until your week-long trip through NullSec ends in a Russian gatecamp. ) Also, at least in the lower class holes sleepers die easily even to battlecruisers, so I guess they're not so bad, either. M
ElCholo Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 121	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:39:00 - [27] - Quote There is a lot of fun player made content out there that you can get involved with. Check out here for some fun things to do. Hell, I was bored and new my gf was going to be out of town so I made my own content. Sometimes you have to go out and find things, you can't expect for some random NPC to come up and direct your life. This is Eve, the sandbox MMO, not WoW. Seriously, put forth some effort and it will be rewarded with some amazing fun people to meet, places to go, ships to explode, and fun to be had.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 836	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:43:00 - [28] - Quote PVE The more interesting PVE activities that involve fighting are incursions for the fleet ops and faction war that crosses over into PvP. On the other hand some people get great satisfaction pursuing their own goals with station trading making ISK or grinding standings etc. Other people cannot stand that sort of thing, it depends on the individual. Wormhole corps can be interesting and give a good mix of PvE and defending your turf PvP but finding a good WH corp can be tricky. Many thrive for a while then die away. PVP Faction war is the easiest way to get into PvP from highsec. Solo PvP .... to be honest 90% of individual player created solo PvP content involves opportunities to be an @ss and harass people in a way you cannot in real life and get "tears". Highsec wardeccing corps and the New Order are just more of the same on a bigger scale. Schoolyard stuff but some people love it. If you not into that (and it is actually rather sad) you need to look at getting involved with player corps and alliances that create content in a more meaningful way. That will generally mean either joining a highsec connected PvP corp (like RvB, BNI or Eve UNI) or get involved with the shenanigans that go on in null. The only problem with null is you are highly likely to be a small cog in a big wheel and even though you may get to be involved in huge space battles (with ridiculous TIDI) it is hard to get the feeling you personally are "making a difference" sometimes if all you are doing is pressing F1 when told to.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 3014	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:45:00 - [29] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: The corp I am in got wardec'd by some guy looking for easy kills and that just meant we had to play possum cause none of us had a chance to take the dude out. Why not? Do you need help? "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1004	Posted - 2014.06.17 00:37:00 - [30] - Quote CompleteFailure wrote: So, getting a wardec automatically means you don't undock? Who told you that, your corp? Have you even tried to fight any of the deccers? Sounds to me like you're just in a shi**y corp. Find better people to learn from. So riddle me this, what if people don't want to PvP? What if you came from a TT like Traveler and your favorite profession was courier or smuggler? What if the point of those professions was to avoid conflict? People throw around sandbox as long as they can control the color of the sand. Everyone should be able to undock and play the game they want, if this is truly a sandbox. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.



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