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Miles Winter
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
10
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:19:00 -
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We're going to see some big changes taking place in the backbone of eve's economic system.
Any guesses or predictions on what's going to happen? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22523
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:21:00 -
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Nah. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
546
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:26:00 -
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People will flock back to Yulai...after they figure out where it is.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7170
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:28:00 -
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I doubt it. It might decentralize slightly, as industrial capabilities are improved in other areas, but by and large Jita will still rule the roost just by weight of already being there. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Miles Winter
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:34:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I doubt it. It might decentralize slightly, as industrial capabilities are improved in other areas, but by and large Jita will still rule the roost just by weight of already being there.
Do nobody think there might be greater compartmentalization/division between trade hubs?
Would players ship their manufactured goods to Dodixie 2 jumps away, rather than Jita?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7171
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:36:00 -
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Miles Winter wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I doubt it. It might decentralize slightly, as industrial capabilities are improved in other areas, but by and large Jita will still rule the roost just by weight of already being there. Do nobody think there might be greater compartmentalization/division between trade hubs? Would players ship their manufactured goods to Dodixie 2 jumps away, rather than Jita?
Not immediately, no. Like I said, it might have an effect, but you need to understand just how strong the status quo is when it comes to the in game market. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3883
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Posted - 2014.06.17 13:24:00 -
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I heard the Tritanium prices will rise. Though I would go for Mexallon. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5442
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Posted - 2014.06.17 13:42:00 -
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Miles Winter wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I doubt it. It might decentralize slightly, as industrial capabilities are improved in other areas, but by and large Jita will still rule the roost just by weight of already being there. Does nobody think there might be greater compartmentalization/division between trade hubs? Would players ship their manufactured goods to Dodixie 2 jumps away, rather than Jita?
But Dodixie is 39823457897357 Jumps away according to my autopilot "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus Universal Consortium
45
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Posted - 2014.06.17 13:55:00 -
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iirc Dodi is 18 jumps from Jita. Or is it 21.. I forget exactly.
Also Dodi is significantly more expensive, the scammers less educated, and the local chat equally as fail.
I'm looking forward to refining in W Space without trawling loads of ore. Also job costs being lowered byt he number of arrays.
Joy of Joys to tech 2 missile crafting with easy PI nearby.
I love WH |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3152
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Posted - 2014.06.17 14:41:00 -
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The overhaul to industry and this idiotic push-pull concept, plus the fact that the null sec cartels are now completely autonomous (something CCP promised would never happen), will impact the hubs in ways very few know for sure yet.
But rest assured, there will be big changes to the hubs.
Freighter pilots will be forced to travel further and more often hauling product, leading to more sucide ganking, which discourages players from moving product to high sec trade hubs. Further, demand at these hubs will be down bigtime once the cartels get their zero risk and lower cost industry cranked up in the null sec centres.
As for unintended consequences, who knows? goons et al have obviously figured out the best ways to game the system and at the same time wreck high sec gameplay for as many as possible (other than the obvious one of architecting this mess in the first place). But beyond them, I doubt many know where this will all end up, other than the certainty of a lower sub base in high sec. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5453
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Posted - 2014.06.17 14:42:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The overhaul to industry and this idiotic push-pull concept, plus the fact that the null sec cartels are now completely autonomous (something CCP promised would never happen), will impact the hubs in ways very few know for sure yet.
But rest assured, there will be big changes to the hubs.
Freighter pilots will be forced to travel further and more often hauling product, leading to more sucide ganking, which discourages players from moving product to high sec trade hubs. Further, demand at these hubs will be down bigtime once the cartels get their zero risk and lower cost industry cranked up in the null sec centres.
As for unintended consequences, who knows? goons et al have obviously figured out the best ways to game the system and at the same time wreck high sec gameplay for as many as possible (other than the obvious one of architecting this mess in the first place). But beyond them, I doubt many know where this will all end up, other than the certainty of a lower sub base in high sec.
Oh shut up you boring windbag "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11981
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Posted - 2014.06.17 14:43:00 -
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I was starting to wonder where din was hiding. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
649
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Posted - 2014.06.17 15:57:00 -
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In theory, this could have an effect on the hubs. Because if the cost is lower away from them, then it becomes the question of hauling your goods to the hubs to sell and maybe having less profit or selling where they are for more. But this is always been typical. You will also see an increase in production in jita on some goods.
it could mess with them, but like with stores and things, prolly not. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Vhelnik Cojoin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.06.17 16:13:00 -
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Nothing will happen to the trade hubs.
What will happen is that some parts of industry will be slightly more labor intensive, and some will be less so overall (compressing ore at a POS versus now making 425mm railguns from minerals, both intended for sale to null- and lowsec cap manufacturers).
There will be a shake-up on prices for minerals and ores, and the new price structure and cost adjustments (teams) for manufacturing is likely to have some influence for all player manufactured items.
But we will still need common trade hubs to peddle our wares. Have you Communicated with your fellow capsuleers today? It is good for the EVE-oconomy and o-kay for you. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14420
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Posted - 2014.06.17 16:15:00 -
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If people haven't figured out that Jita is bad and not to do Jita by now, they will just never learn.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2206
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Posted - 2014.06.17 16:34:00 -
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The Jita node is now so powerful it has actually achieved limited sentience and is carefully adjusting the code base to insure its survival.
I for one welcome our new Jita overlord.
Also, Dinsdale, dude, loosen the tinfoil. You've cut off the circulation again. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Miles Winter
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
12
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:10:00 -
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Vhelnik Cojoin wrote:There will be a shake-up on prices for minerals and ores, and the new price structure and cost adjustments (teams) for manufacturing is likely to have some influence for all player manufactured items.
But we will still need common trade hubs to peddle our wares.
Can you please explain the shakeup on mineral and ore prices? What is the fundamental reasoning for supply changes? Did I miss something in the industry blog on this?
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Vhelnik Cojoin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:57:00 -
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Miles Winter wrote:Can you please explain the shakeup on mineral and ore prices? What is the fundamental reasoning for supply changes? Did I miss something in the industry blog on this?
There are several 'small' changes coming, each of which has the potential to alter the overall supply or consumption of minerals and ore in New Eden:
*) Mineral content of NPC loot (ratting and missions) will be reduced by at least 45% from its current level. This is part of the reprocessing change. Note that NPC loot provides all types of minerals, except Morphite. The last numbers I have seen from CCP suggests that currently reprocessed NPC loot supplies around 20% of the minerals to New Eden. If this is accurate, then the reprocessing changes may reduce overall mineral input to New Eden from this source by 10% or so.
*) Note that reprocessed NPC loot also supplies minerals, which are not found in the ore coming from regular HiSec asteroid belts. This means the ~ 10% reduction in overall high end mineral supply from NPC loot will hit the high ends especially hard.
*) Mining anomalies in HiSec remains unchanged and they are all currently being mined out pretty quickly. So this source of high ends remains the same.
*) Mining anomalies in LowSec will be significantly buffed, potentially leading to more profit from 'ninja mining' of high end ores (Arkonor down to Jaspet). This change has the potential to partially offset the reduction of the supply of high end minerals to empire manufacturers, depending on how popular (and profitable) this activity will become. We don't yet know the extent of these anomaly buffs, so this is a completely unknown factor right now.
*) Skill requirements for reprocessing raw ore changes, so many people will need to train a bit to get back to what is effectively 100% ore refining yield compared to current. This will in the short term reduced mineral input to the market by a small amount -or- increase consumption of raw ore in proportion. Expect the major nullsec consumers to already have trained the relevant skills, so this is another unknown factor. May be zero.
*) All cap manufacturers in Low- and NullSec will switch from using 425mm railguns (IE. modules) to compressed ore for their low end mineral imports from HiSec. This means that the 20% of *minerals* currently being supplied by reprocessed NPC loot will be mostly 'useless' for exporting from HiSec to the rest of New Eden. The minerals from reprocessed NPC loot will 'only' have value in the local market in HiSec.
*) Owners of player outposts in NullSec will get up to 20% more minerals from a given quantity of (compressed) ore, meaning they will get up to 120% yield instead of 100% they get today when reprocessing modules/railguns. This has the potential to noticeably reduce demand for low end ores, if the level of cap manufacture in Low- and Null remains the same.
*) Making compressed ore for direct export from HiSec is potentially much easier for reasonably sized mining operations, assuming they don't mind plopping down a POS every now and then. The profit from making railguns now potentially falls in the hands of the miners (or the buyers of raw uncompressed ore), possibly increasing profits in proportion as the railgun manufacturers are cut out of the loop. This potentially increased profit may increase the supply of low end ores with more people hitting the belts in HiSec.
So I at least expect some form of shake-up until the market stabilizes. I am probably also forgetting a detail or two here. Have you Communicated with your fellow capsuleers today? It is good for the EVE-oconomy and o-kay for you. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7207
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:11:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The overhaul to industry and this idiotic push-pull concept, plus the fact that the null sec cartels are now completely autonomous (something CCP promised would never happen)
I'll bite, I suppose.
Where, precisely, did they ever promise to never allow players in nullsec such a thing? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2217
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The overhaul to industry and this idiotic push-pull concept, plus the fact that the null sec cartels are now completely autonomous (something CCP promised would never happen) I'll bite, I suppose. Where, precisely, did they ever promise to never allow players in nullsec such a thing?
Dude no! Never, never feed the Dinsdale. This thread will be 40 pages long by tea time now. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
551
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:41:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:plus the fact that the null sec cartels are now completely autonomous.
oh yes those asteroid belts in null sec see lots of mining activity. |
GordonO
The Oasis Group
52
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:51:00 -
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Elmonky wrote:iirc
Also Dodi is significantly more expensive,
This is not always the case, people wrongly just assume this. . |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
695
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Posted - 2014.06.17 20:35:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Miles Winter wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I doubt it. It might decentralize slightly, as industrial capabilities are improved in other areas, but by and large Jita will still rule the roost just by weight of already being there. Does nobody think there might be greater compartmentalization/division between trade hubs? Would players ship their manufactured goods to Dodixie 2 jumps away, rather than Jita? But Dodixie is 39823457897357 Jumps away according to my autopilot Eh, they buffed warp times back in rubicon, so it can't be THAT bad. Best get started now though. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1571
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Posted - 2014.06.17 21:17:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.
ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Serene Repose
1387
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Posted - 2014.06.18 05:27:00 -
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Hey. You can't say that!
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
399
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Posted - 2014.06.18 09:48:00 -
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Miles Winter wrote:what's going to happen?
Trade hubs will still be trade hubs. Changes in manufacturing side won't affect that. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
153
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Posted - 2014.06.18 10:13:00 -
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Torrinos will become the new tradehub. *Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal.*Snip* *Snip*-áPlease refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.*Snip* *Snip*-áRemoved part of the post for not having enough pssssshhhhhh. ISD Ezwal.-á*Snip* |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
442
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:20:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:People will flock back to Yulai...after they figure out where it is.
Yulai is a lie!
......would that make it the truth? |
Doreen Kaundur
543
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:22:00 -
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Imagine Jita as a ghost town?
(space tumbleweed floats by)
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Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
442
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:27:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:Imagine Jita as a ghost town?
("I wish I had enough ISK for this" scam floats by)
Fixed.
:P
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