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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:45:00 -
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This guy is always good for some comic relief. Their submarine fleet doesn't sound very practical. Noisy diesel engines and torpedoes with 4-mile range. Versus silent modern subs with 21-mile range torpedoes. Seems about like trying to use a stealth bomber fit with autocannons and no cloak.
Gratuitous comments: -Couldn't they have scraped the rust and repainted before Dear Leader visited? Is the North Korean navy lazy? -I like the fourth photo down. It looks like the admirals are trying to take his order for breakfast.
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Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:54:00 -
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Its still stupidly effective and dangerous for sinking unarmed ships if they ever get cocky enough. But you can probably forget about trying to stay hidden from the modern hydrophones that the US and South Korea has.
If it was a modern or recently modern diesel-electric then it would be cause for for concern as those are crazy quiet and would actually have a good chance of striking a warship. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:24:00 -
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Gotta love that lil kim is teaching the captain how to navigate. lol @ clumsy propaganda :D Like to know what that captain was really thinking.
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Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:29:00 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Gotta love that lil kim is teaching the captain how to navigate. lol @ clumsy propaganda :D Like to know what that captain was really thinking.
I hope this tin can does not implode when we go under.
Or
Oh noes, we have taken on too much weight!!!!! People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:42:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:I like the fourth photo down. It looks like the admirals are trying to take his order for breakfast.
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.19 19:06:00 -
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The group photo is the funniest. The two Admiral's to Un's right (viewer left)... The closer bumped the further for the shot. The bumpee is shooting him a look like "in your sleep, you rat..." If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2014.06.19 20:34:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Its still stupidly effective and dangerous for sinking unarmed ships if they ever get cocky enough. But you can probably forget about trying to stay hidden from the modern hydrophones that the US and South Korea has.
If it was a modern or recently modern diesel-electric then it would be cause for for concern as those are crazy quiet and would actually have a good chance of striking a warship. They already have, Mar 2010 - NK sub torpedoes Cheonan warship, 46 sailors killed. They're just expanding their fleet. As long as you have good intel (likely has modern electronics), you just set up an ambush point in the lane ahead. It should still be relatively quiet to ride through the thermals to the staging location, then hold dead in the water until the target approaches. Blow ballast up and splash some fish. Pretty much any surface target is game, won't know what hit them until forensics, the Cheonan didn't see it coming. The only limitation would be facing a modern attack sub, or even a boomer. But you don't need to maneuver to get a shot off on a surface ship, just know where to be.
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Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.06.19 20:43:00 -
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Webvan wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Its still stupidly effective and dangerous for sinking unarmed ships if they ever get cocky enough. But you can probably forget about trying to stay hidden from the modern hydrophones that the US and South Korea has.
If it was a modern or recently modern diesel-electric then it would be cause for for concern as those are crazy quiet and would actually have a good chance of striking a warship. They already have, Mar 2010 - NK sub torpedoes Cheonan warship, 46 sailors killed. They're just expanding their fleet. As long as you have good intel (likely has modern electronics), you just set up an ambush point in the lane ahead. It should still be relatively quiet to ride through the thermals to the staging location, then hold dead in the water until the target approaches. Blow ballast up and splash some fish. Pretty much any surface target is game, won't know what hit them until forensics, the Cheonan didn't see it coming. The only limitation would be facing a modern attack sub, or even a boomer. But you don't need to maneuver to get a shot off on a surface ship, just know where to be.
Oh **** I forgot about that.
Yeah, diesel electric subs are scary. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:50:00 -
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Well the article doesn't bother to mention that little fact it's more funny, confusing, even propagandic in a way. Reading it now, at least they mentioned that it would have a difficult time vs a modern sub, though I think the range of a harpoon is irrelevant here in that matter, since you still need to detect it first. Yeah we have sonar nets to detect them, but they are still limited.
"Western experts stubbornly point out its inability to sink enemy vessels" (inability?) - "with its noisy and easily detectable diesel engine" (wat?). See, I don't understand that... They don't do anything really different than a modern nuclear-reactor sub, both are capable of running silent under the surface. Diesel-electric runs on batteries, and probably better batteries than originally produced for this model. The only drawback is operational range, were nuclear subs don't need to surface and charge. But for small regional operations they don't show much difference as far as keeping their stealth it would seem.
However, the biggest factor if probably hull design and propeller design. You get a clunky designed sub out of the thermal layers, it'll be more easily detected if in motion from the cavitation etc. More the case when facing a modern attack ship, the old hull and prop of the boat would be screaming out to be easily targeted... well less than screaming but far easily targeted if moving just considering it's older design and nothing to do with being diesel-'electric'. But yeah, absolutely, they are a threat, no doubt about that, and considering that they have already done this against a military surface ship. |
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
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Posted - 2014.06.20 18:23:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Its still stupidly effective and dangerous for sinking unarmed ships if they ever get cocky enough.
If they aren't using scouts and intel, it's their own fa..oh wait, this is OOPE
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:14:00 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Gotta love that lil kim is teaching the captain how to navigate. lol @ clumsy propaganda :D Like to know what that captain was really thinking.
Probably the same thing people thought when another Great Leader declared "Mission accomplished"......
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Doreen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.06.20 21:23:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Gotta love that lil kim is teaching the captain how to navigate. lol @ clumsy propaganda :D Like to know what that captain was really thinking. Probably the same thing people thought when another Great Leader declared "Mission accomplished"......
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Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
1992
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Posted - 2014.06.21 05:19:00 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Gotta love that lil kim is teaching the captain how to navigate. lol @ clumsy propaganda :D Like to know what that captain was really thinking.
I guess that's what's happening to people after a while when nobody dares to tell them when they're being stupid. |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2014.06.21 09:25:00 -
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If Kim has any intelligent officers at all, they would inform great leader that modern submarines have wire-guided torpedoes over 100km+/60mi+ range and nuclear powered and atomically armed.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.06.21 12:22:00 -
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Highly relevant. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
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Posted - 2014.06.21 13:08:00 -
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To be honest, if the tubes on that thing are standard Russian 533mm ones (which seems likely), they could just replace it's torpedoes with Export versions of the Skval, get more range, and be more lethal. Though the downside would be that you need to actually point your sub in the direction you want them to go, as Skvals do travel at 200 knots and only have a 10-15 mile range. |
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.21 14:03:00 -
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Well, if one of those is sitting on the bottom, running silent in a perfect impersonation of a derelict, and something gets closer than 4 miles... Q: So many well known dev's left lately, should we be worried? A: (Jester): Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2014.06.21 21:47:00 -
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Our GREAT LEADER is better than yours he has music with him EVERYWHERE he goes!
Kim has no music only pics!
Our GREAT LEADER Singes and DANCES!!! Our Great LEADER > ALL OF YOUR GREAT LEADERS!
Also our GREAT LEADER cries! So everyonce can CRY with him! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.06.22 01:40:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:If Kim has any intelligent officers at all, they would inform great leader that modern submarines have wire-guided torpedoes over 100km+/60mi+ range and nuclear powered and atomically armed.
Classy.
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.06.22 02:46:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:This guy is always good for some comic relief. Their submarine fleet doesn't sound very practical. Noisy diesel engines and torpedoes with 4-mile range. Versus silent modern subs with 21-mile range torpedoes. Seems about like trying to use a stealth bomber fit with autocannons and no cloak. Gratuitous comments: -Couldn't they have scraped the rust and repainted before Dear Leader visited? Is the North Korean navy lazy? -I like the fourth photo down. It looks like the admirals are trying to take his order for breakfast. Kim Jong-Un Mans A Soviet Submarine That's Been Obsolete Since 1961
Funny thing, Diesel subs can turn their engines off and go completely silent, while nuclear ones cannot. Don't underestimate older design subs, there is a reason most European navies went with diesel. They keep sneaking past the Americans in war games. |
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Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.06.22 03:06:00 -
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This thread makes me want to fire up some subsims and naval sims to play.
People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Kaaeliaa
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2014.06.22 03:56:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:This guy is always good for some comic relief. Their submarine fleet doesn't sound very practical. Noisy diesel engines and torpedoes with 4-mile range. Versus silent modern subs with 21-mile range torpedoes. Seems about like trying to use a stealth bomber fit with autocannons and no cloak. Gratuitous comments: -Couldn't they have scraped the rust and repainted before Dear Leader visited? Is the North Korean navy lazy? -I like the fourth photo down. It looks like the admirals are trying to take his order for breakfast. Kim Jong-Un Mans A Soviet Submarine That's Been Obsolete Since 1961 Funny thing, Diesel subs can turn their engines off and go completely silent, while nuclear ones cannot. Don't underestimate older design subs, there is a reason most European navies went with diesel. They keep sneaking past the Americans in war games.
This is true, but the US is at a relative disadvantage in that its sub patrol areas are thousands of miles from port. D/E subs are much more practical and better for littoral operations, but they lack the operational endurance to patrol sea lanes half a world away.
Commissar Kate wrote:This thread makes me want to fire up some subsims and naval sims to play. Lol
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2014.06.22 04:46:00 -
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Yeah diesel - electric is deadly combo,just recently visited U boat,also known as pig boat in Chicago one of first D-E engines if im not mistaken Im frankly amazed how classy it looks.
it isn't so much cylindrical it have curves and from bottom up it turns in a warship and freaking thing goes underwater,sped was halved or more under battery power but it was still coming to kill you...silently.
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in pic 2 you can see part they cut down so it can fit the room not a small peace 2 man tall or so. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Colonel Selene
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:18:00 -
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AIP (Air Independent Propulsion) is the next big thing for diesel electrics. Basically the boat has a bunch hydrogen fuel cells to increase underwater endurance and speed without the need to snorkel to run the noisy diesels for long periods of time. I know the Dutch are building such boats and I think the Russians have one under development.
This makes an already deadly platform even more scary and deadly. Grrr.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2014.06.22 06:21:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:BLACK-STAR wrote:If Kim has any intelligent officers at all, they would inform great leader that modern submarines have wire-guided torpedoes over 100km+/60mi+ range and nuclear powered and atomically armed.
Classy. the really intelligent people know to keep their mouths shut a closed mouth doesn't make you dissapear
^^^ lil kim had his own uncle fed naked to starving dogs...no north korean officer is going to be saying anything to him...
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Ian Morbius
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Posted - 2014.06.22 20:20:00 -
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Don't think our dive boat can take one of them. Death Valley & Mojave real world hardcore. www.acronymfinder.com
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Velarra
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:31:00 -
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Hmm.
Canadian Navy vs. North Korean Navy.
Aside from the Cannucks having OGB's and friends one system over... |
Ranzabar
Ratio 1.618 Corp
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Posted - 2014.06.23 03:51:00 -
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I'd take that sub into R-V-B Abide |
Ranzabar
Ratio 1.618 Corp
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Posted - 2014.06.24 00:05:00 -
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Velarra wrote:Hmm.
Canadian Navy vs. North Korean Navy.
Aside from the Cannucks having OGB's and friends one system over...
TIL, Canada's only Deisel-Electric sub is nicknamed Nel.
(Dudley Doright reference there) Abide |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2014.06.24 07:10:00 -
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Colonel Selene wrote:AIP (Air Independent Propulsion) is the next big thing for diesel electrics. Basically the boat has a bunch hydrogen fuel cells to increase underwater endurance and speed without the need to snorkel to run the noisy diesels for long periods of time. I know the Dutch are building such boats and I think the Russians have one under development.
This makes an already deadly platform even more scary and deadly.
Hello Germany. :)
Type 212 wiki
Type 214 wiki
U36 (Type 212A) news link Old news link. but still a nice read. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
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