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Conura
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Conura on 19/06/2006 14:02:59
Edited by: Conura on 19/06/2006 14:02:03
Yet here I am, on the eve forums..Wishing I had a reason to go back.
According to my Xfire, I have spent about 130 hours playing this game, thats twice as many as I've spent on WoW.
I will be honest. This game is better in almost every single way, than every other MMORPG out, in my opinion.
The community is intelligent, as are the politics, the economy, all of it.
The reason I have cancelled my sub is becauseI find it so hard to make money, I know if I had, for example, a battleship (Which I do have the skills for BTW) I could rat in 0.0 to make money, but with just a Caracal, It's seemingly impossible to make the money to buy a Raven, and continue to progress in the game.
It's pretty obvious by the fact I am continually reading the forums for this game, that even as a new player, I am in love with the universe this game offers. The graphics, the PVP, the community, are all in a league of their own.
It's just so slow paced when you're a new player without money, and seemingly impossible to get onto your feet and start making a living for yourself.
I think this is a pretty unsubtle attempt from me, to get people to give me reasons to reactivate my subscription and come back to eve. And tell me that it's totally possible to achieve whatever I want in the game, because at the moment, I'm not sure that's entirely true.
{Edit) I must also state the fact I hate doing missions, is there no place in this game for somebody that has no desire to do missions, and would prefer mining and ratting over it them?)
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Xtreem
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:05:00 -
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its tough, but dont give up, it took me months to get my first bs, which i mined all the minerals for myself and build myself using a rax.
its oh so much sweeter doing it urself (but slower)
try joining a corp, or hooking up with mates, once u have that bs use it to stay safe in hige sec, build up money, get into more money then do what u like forver.
its always harder to get ur first bs, which i think is a good thing, as trust me walkign right into a bs causes alot of people losing said bs too quickly, as u need to know the game better to use one properly
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:07:00 -
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In fact it has never been easier to earn money. Back when the game started missions paid about 100 ISK flat and the bounties on NPCs were much lower. The only way to earn money was to mine and sell the minerals to NPCs at much lower prices than today (64 ISK for Isogen for example...).
My corp (not much beta experience, so we mined in high-sec) mined like four weeks straight to get us into cruisers, which we lost in our first PvP engagement - and there was no insurance.
EVE certainly won't hand you things on a silver platter. If you need instant gratification - well, yeah, WoW might be better for you.
Now recruiting!
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:09:00 -
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i dont think where you can not earn isk by doing missions in highsec....
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Larsson7
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:09:00 -
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If you stick with it you WILL get there!
The jump from Cruiser to BS is sizeable in terms of skills/isk/mods.
I remember when I first started I was in a Corp who were wardecced by the MC, ironically. I ha my first cruiser, a rupture, and after undocking in Niyabainen - The Corporation made short work of that Ruppie and my pod!
yeah - there are times when you feel like quitting but EvE has so much in terms of scope and development.
I am glad I decided to stay.
Maybe, just maybe, I might buy you a Raven as I am nice that way 
then again - maybe I wont 
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:10:00 -
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Find a good corp and work together for your mutual benefit. You'll be in a Raven in no time.
Good luck.
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:11:00 -
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i thought raven was a bannable word on those forums
battleship is spelled "tempest"
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Gilbert Drillerson
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:12:00 -
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Join a corp, making isk in eve is very easy, but it requires some experience and also often some teamwork... both can be found in a good corp.
If you insist on playing eve solo, then doing missions can probably put you in a BS pretty fast...
When that is said, I also have to say that eve is a long term project, its a game that you can play for years and still not be uber in every way... Eve is a state of mind :)
WOW is easyer to play imho.. you can be absolutely uber in 3 months, that is simply impossible in eve. I played WOW for a month and came back to eve because I missed the team work and pvp, when you reach 60 in WOW, what is left ? (I know, lots if you are so inclined.. but im not, I dont even collect faction ships)
But its very much a matter of preference I guess.. To each his own
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/06/2006 14:14:03
The trick to making good money in the beginning is working together.
Im thinking about starting up my own corporation to help new players with advice and help how to make money in the way they like. A group of miners combined with a hauler is a pretty effecient way of making big iskies in the beginning for example. There are lots of other ways as well, like ratting together in low sec and helping eachother vs the mobs.
The problem is that every new player lacks direction, and players like myself could offer alot of help in this area i think. Specially since im a rich bastard. 
We'll see. Dont cancel the subscription just yet...
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Splagada
i thought raven was a bannable word on those forums Quote:
Seriously though - take a few days off and come back to it. You'll remember why you started playing EVE. Oh and the ferox is a great Level III ship for making ISK to get a raven.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:15:00 -
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Perhaps getting a battlecruiser would be considered to be an obtainable and still somewhat satisfying target?
I don't know for how long you've been playing, but I think it took me a year or so before considering to get into a battleship...
I haven't tried ratting in 0.0 with a caracal, but I've heard that it's supposed to be doable - as long as you get those range skills as high as you can. Might want to bring a friend in another caracal for added firepower.
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:16:00 -
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I have found myself turning towards WOW 2 times now in the last 2 years i played eve.
Its nice to actually play a game again (eve isn't just a game anymore)
Nothing to worry about when you die and all.
But after 2 weeks i miss "the thing" that wow misses and I find myself back in eve soon after.
You'll be back :D enjoy your break
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:17:00 -
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If your corp can't help you to get into your first BS you may give it the finger.
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Ginaz
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:21:00 -
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Joining good corp -> gettin free battleship with corp insurance.
Try that
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Conura
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:27:00 -
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Well if theres any corps that wanna help me out getting into a battleship, you know how to contact me! :-)
At the moment I'm headed to jita, I'll probably get podded on the way from 0.0 making me shipless, but what the hell..I'll find a good corp.
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:28:00 -
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Contact me in game, but i won't be on eve for another 4 hours I HATE WORK!.
PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN
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Montaire
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:29:00 -
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You can just contact Montaire or Kixkahn.
If you like mining we'll get along famously. And I can assure you its never dull where Im at :)
Im online in Eve circa 11 hours from now.
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:29:00 -
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for 0.0 solo i wouldnt recommend a BS
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Conura
Well if theres any corps that wanna help me out getting into a battleship, you know how to contact me! :-)
At the moment I'm headed to jita, I'll probably get podded on the way from 0.0 making me shipless, but what the hell..I'll find a good corp.
Check the Recruitment channel in these forums. Read about every corp there and make sure their activities seems to match your own. There are plenty of corps that just wants mining slaves and you'll be bored out of your mind before you get that battleship unless you love mining.
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Sonlatur
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Posted - 2006.06.19 15:10:00 -
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You can already rat in 00 with a Battlecruiser. Maybe also a cruiser, dont know.
Complexes also pay rather well - the Overseers drop those little boxes which you can sell to Concord for good money.
And then there is trading that should pay very well. Just gotta find a nice quiet route, then you can make a few mill each day in a few minutes of hauling.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.06.19 15:50:00 -
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Well no offence but you have only been playing this game 5 weeks so I dont think your ready for a BS your skills in my opinion wouldnt be good enough to fly it properly.
You will be better off training more skills and maybe getting a BattleCruiser as someone else has said.
When I first started playing Eve it took me 3 weeks just to get into a cruiser and then another 3-4 months before I finally got a BS and that was only because my corp helped me with it.
People starting now have it alot easier.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:01:00 -
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I didn't pay for my first BS other then being a worthwhile and active member of my corp, helping out where I could using the cruiser I had earned for myself).
I wonder how many of us actually did.
What I mean is that you seem to have either missed or simply not looked for a corp to help you out there. I't a natural part of the Eve player lifecycle imo that you become part of a team somewhere during your first year of play. The sooner the better really, since for alot of even smaller corps one BS isn't that much of a hassle really.
Look at it like this: if you are earning the corp money in a Raven you are earning a lot more then in that Caracal.
Setting a communal goal and a communal way of achieving it is part of Eve's gameplay imo. Alot of people seem to skip that part, and I think alot of them are the worse for it.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:12:00 -
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The the OP..
All I can say is that if you have trouble earning isk, you are doing something wrong.
Lvl 3 combat missions can make you between 1 and 5 million isk between the bounties, loot and mission complete bonus's. If you can't afford a Raven, then move up to a Ferox. It has an excellent ability to tank if you set it up right and it has almost as many missle hard points, so you can outfit it with a good number of Heavy launchers.
with a Caracal you can solo 0.0 spawns if you keep your ship moveing. Some of the BS's you will have trouble with, but you should be able to take on anything up to a Battle Cruiser. This should earn you millions an hour.
I think you need to work at earning money a little more. It's not just going to fall in your lap.
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Montero on 19/06/2006 16:15:54
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Well no offence but you have only been playing this game 5 weeks so I dont think your ready for a BS your skills in my opinion wouldnt be good enough to fly it properly.
You will be better off training more skills and maybe getting a BattleCruiser as someone else has said.
When I first started playing Eve it took me 3 weeks just to get into a cruiser and then another 3-4 months before I finally got a BS and that was only because my corp helped me with it.
People starting now have it alot easier.
i kind of agree with you. i don't think i even trained any BS skills untill i had 7-8mill sp, and even then i kept spotting things i didn't have (like a total lack of drone skills....oops).
dude i'd say get a ferox, fit a passive tank and some heavys, and rinse lvl 3s somewhere to get isk and a feel for bigger ships. Look for a corp that has access to good space i.e. 0.0 that isn't too much of a warzone.
edit: and please don't go back to war of dullcraft...
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Paigan
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Paigan on 19/06/2006 16:32:02
Originally by: Eternal Fury
All I can say is that if you have trouble earning isk, you are doing something wrong.
Lvl 3 combat missions can make you between 1 and 5 million isk between the bounties, loot and mission complete bonus's. If you can't afford a Raven, then move up to a Ferox.
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what he says ^^
Play a level2 agent to one good offer (if you read the forums as you say you'll know which one is good)
And with that money you can easily buy a ferox+insurance+good equipment.
A ferox is enough for almost every level3 mission. And those really give fast money (through offers, not through bounty ^^)
But if even this is too hard for you, then maybe you really should stick to something... simpler, like WoW (no offence meant)
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Kim Chee
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:32:00 -
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The easiest way to make cash in high security space is to mine omber or kernite. Working your way from whatever random ship you have to an Osprey (cruiser), and then to a mining barge will set you on a path to generate a pretty good return. If you also work at manufacturing, you can mine half the materials you need to build your own battleship, and just buy what you can't get. Of course, you can also hook up with a corp that does mining in 0.0 space and mine everything that way. :)
As someone said, a Ferox is a great ship to do missions up to level 3. I love my Ferox, and even though I have a Raven, I don't feel my skills are high enough to really make use of it yet... so I still use my Ferox.
One thing I didn't see anyone else mention is trading. It's not a steady income like mining or mission running, but watching the market (and escrow) for good deals and then re-selling them is a good way to make some decent cash.
The big difference between EVE and games like WoW, IMO, is that there isn't anyone here standing over your shoulder telling you to hurry up and get to level 60 so you can play the end-game. There are no levels here, and it's not possible for anyone to learn every skill (it would take 17.56 years), so there's no golden egg that everyone has to strive towards.
I've been playing for about 8 months and feel comfortable with the pace I'm progressing at. I know I *could* have gotten myself into battleships months ago, but so far the carebear fur isn't getting in my way yet. Once it does, I'll shed it and figure out how best to terrorize the galaxy.
If you want to go back to WoW because you like that game, then by all means... do so. But don't leave this one just because it's hard to do something. Folks on the forums here are pretty clever, and come up with all kinds of ways to do things.
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:38:00 -
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Join a corp.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:49:00 -
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Let somebody else buy one for you  . I always thought that giving stuff to people who say that they are about to quit the game does not work.
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:50:00 -
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You know, this thread got me thinking, what was my first BS? I cant remember... But needless to say my corp helped me with it and i mined for a long time in a thorax...
Dammit what was my first bs, and what happened to it.
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:54:00 -
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i ran escort missions in my caracal for my alliance for about 4m every hour(i dont even get off my ass for more then 10m now :O)
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/06/2006 16:56:31
Originally by: Novarei
You know, this thread got me thinking, what was my first BS? I cant remember... But needless to say my corp helped me with it and i mined for a long time in a thorax...
Dammit what was my first bs, and what happened to it.
Mine was a apoc back in 2003... chain-spawning npc's for 250 scout railguns were fun since they sold for 40 mill each.
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Ackaroth
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Posted - 2006.06.19 17:09:00 -
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Got bored, skimmed towards the end. Basically, the idea about joining a corp that can get you into a BS is good, but make sure your ready for it. When I got into my first BS I was in an alliance, so I had alot of help with outfitting, and needed skills. It is good to know that your skills can support your ship. I have had my Dominix (the noobs ratting device) for months, and have had no other BS since. Take care of it, bolt when you sense danger, watch local, you should be fine. I venture to say that you should get into pvp before giving up on eve. Instead of making a BS your goal, grab a t1 frigate, get in a corp/alliance that is pretty active, and go hunting. I have never brought anything bigger than a cruiser into combat, and I can afford to. Hell, you can be a pirate in 0.4-0.1 easy enough. Get together some friends, get your tackling (scramble,web, etc) worked out, your dps dealer worked out, and just let your sec status click down for a while. After being in 0.0 for months at a time I like to escape to low sec empire and pick on miners and locals. Depending on the system all you need is t1 frigs, maybe destroyers if you know how to fly them well (I dont, never tried) and some luck
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.06.19 17:13:00 -
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"The the OP..
All I can say is that if you have trouble earning isk, you are doing something wrong.
Lvl 3 combat missions can make you between 1 and 5 million isk between the bounties, loot and mission complete bonus's. If you can't afford a Raven, then move up to a Ferox. It has an excellent ability to tank if you set it up right and it has almost as many missle hard points, so you can outfit it with a good number of Heavy launchers.
with a Caracal you can solo 0.0 spawns if you keep your ship moveing. Some of the BS's you will have trouble with, but you should be able to take on anything up to a Battle Cruiser. This should earn you millions an hour.
I think you need to work at earning money a little more. It's not just going to fall in your lap."
level 3 combat missions don;t get close to 5mill reward heh. typically you will get ~1-3 million, the 3 million take a while to complete. Infact level 3 missions some aren't really doable in a cruiser atleast not doable in a reasonable time. I do agree with you however that the reasonable upgrade path from cruiser is to a BC instead of going to a BS.
you're also right about having to work for money the problem is this is a game I got a job if i wanna work and i can make REAL money. In a game i want entertainment, sure it shouldnt be handed to you but grinding the same set of missions for weeks isnt exactly fun for most people. I think it comes down to EVE's really needs MUCH MORE GAMEPLAY, right now not alot of options for playing and making money if you are not into industrialist or trading stuff. you can a) run missions B) rat in 0.0 ( not a great option for a new and casual player ) c) mine .... really REALLY boring nothing left after that. Not sure even what else there would or could be, but missions defnitely need a serious spicing up imho. Should also be better ratting options in sec space.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.19 17:14:00 -
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As it's been 2 pages and nobody has asked, can I have your stuff?
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2006.06.19 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Conura
The reason I have cancelled my sub is becauseI find it so hard to make money, I know if I had, for example, a battleship (Which I do have the skills for BTW) I could rat in 0.0 to make money, but with just a Caracal, It's seemingly impossible to make the money to buy a Raven, and continue to progress in the game.
Young people these days...
Seriously, early on in the game it took most people about 6 months of solid playing to get their first battleship. I myself, like many others, mined all of the minerals I could in a Thorax, killed NPCs to get the rare minerals (any idea how long it takes to get enough Megacyte and Zydrine for a battleship from recycling modules?). And when you had it, you couldn't afford to insure it since Insurance was the same price, but for one week only. If you lost that ship, you got zero (o) isk, and were back to square one.
You... need... more... patience.
Try this: join an "old", established World of Warcraft server, and ask the people with "uber" gear how long it took to get them. The answer is: hundreds and hundreds of hours.
Every MMO is built to be a time sink. You pay to play, and the longer they can make you play, the more money they get from you. Eve is the same, it's just better than the others in most ways 
PS. I just quit Wow after a year of solid playing, and came back to Eve. Reason: the world in Wow in much too static, with no real potential for developing your character (it's still fun and compelling though)
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Raeff
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Posted - 2006.06.19 17:44:00 -
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going back to WoW after playing eve is just down right unholy .. your trading a blaster for a sword? pew pew man! PEW PEW!!!
give eve more time .. and find a GOOD corp .. the good ones have BPOs of all the cool sh*t and you get it cheap or free!
you cant seriously tell me you want to go back to WoW where you spend 6 hours trying to get a group and then another 6 in a dungeon with that group and then you get outrolled by a rogue for the only gun/bow in the whole place, and your a hunter!
nononono!
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2006.06.19 17:59:00 -
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to the op, look me up in game, we take on the odd noob to give them a hand up, might be just what you need to keep you interested
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Mele
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Posted - 2006.06.19 18:17:00 -
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I've been playing for 2 months now, and though I'm in a corp with friends of mine, they all started 3 months b4 me so I cant join in with anyhting they are doing. At first they said once you get into a merlin you'll be able to come with us (they had cruisers), but now they have BS and feroxs' and my destroyer and merlin are still too weak and short range to go along.
The game is just too slow in the beginning. I'm just waiting for skill training and trying to sc*****enough money for the skill books. I have killed the disgruntled employee far too many times. Mining is impossible as I need to head to the station every 2 min cause my cargo is full (no point putting it in a can cause I cant haul it anyway) Ratting seems to be the only viable option but there seems to be a gap between the true newb rats and the cruiser/groups of frig rats. Eventhough I can fly a cruiser since this weekend I just cant afford it due to the cost of the learning skill books, let alone afford to lose it if I make a mistake.
I think once I get a decent cruiser set up or even a battle cruiser I'll be able to make much more isk and it wont feel like such a drag, but its all just a waiting game in the beginning. I think EVE has lost many players to the extreme boredom of the 1st few months. Shame really
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rixtim
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Posted - 2006.06.19 18:23:00 -
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The way i got my fist battleship was though mining all the minerals for it.
I mined in gangs of 2 to 20 ships chatting and haveing fun (though it may not look it ingame) we all got equal shares based on the time we put in. The way it was seen was we all put in equal physical effort we all got the same regardless of ship.
This way allso gives you time to level up the skills you need to fly a battleship effectively but I got given a few extra donations of mins so by the time i got my battleship i could only use medium guns still.
Mining can be fun it just needs to be with fun people.
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.06.19 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Novarei on 19/06/2006 18:35:39
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
level 3 combat missions don;t get close to 5mill reward heh. typically you will get ~1-3 million, the 3 million take a while to complete. Infact level 3 missions some aren't really doable in a cruiser atleast not doable in a reasonable time. I do agree with you however that the reasonable upgrade path from cruiser is to a BC instead of going to a BS.
Extravaganza nets about 4m including bounties and technilogical secrets (or something) nets quite a bit. Ferox is good for lvl 3 missions, i have quite a lot of skill so even the worst pulls and going for a **** mid battle they dont even get me past 90% shields, so I can imagine they're quite good for a new player too. The real cream on the mission cake is the bounties though.
tbh even lvl 2 missions can net quite an income, the speed you can do those in an ishkur is unbelievable.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.06.19 18:38:00 -
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I must be realy preseverant then since I took almost an entire year to get myself into a BS. A typhoon to be more precise.
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.06.19 18:45:00 -
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I always wonder what the people that don't get money in EVE actually do with their time. At around my second week in EVE, I made 4mil in one day with a Vexor doing level 2s. Granted, I played for like 8 hours that day, which many can't do, but even so, it's not that hard. Once you get into a cruiser you can make decent bucks. Getting a BC won't take long, and with a BC it doesn't take long to earn enough for a BS because you can do level 3 missions. Or since you said you hate missions, you can just mine a lot, that's easy money, although boring. Just go find a nice little 0.5-0.6 system and mine the best available ore there (omber etc). Or even join a corporation that you can mine with in lowsec, makes money even better.
And yeah, of course I wish I'd make more money too. Though I'd make a lot if I'd play as much as I did for the first two months (given that I can do select lvl 4 missions now in addition to level 3s), but mission grinding does get boring too, so I'm laying low mostly at the moment 
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Nexus1972
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Posted - 2006.06.19 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Conura
The reason I have cancelled my sub is becauseI find it so hard to make money, I know if I had, for example, a battleship (Which I do have the skills for BTW) I could rat in 0.0 to make money, but with just a Caracal, It's seemingly impossible to make the money to buy a Raven, and continue to progress in the game.
I think this is a pretty unsubtle attempt from me, to get people to give me reasons to reactivate my subscription and come back to eve. And tell me that it's totally possible to achieve whatever I want in the game, because at the moment, I'm not sure that's entirely true.
its easy to make money - go do some simple cosmos plex in ur caracal (such as the one in inder). The rats respanw every 5 mins, and even once they are all dead as soon as they've all gone they all start respawning - you will be able to stay until your ammo has run out. Train up archeology and loot some cosmos cans while you are there.
As for having the skills for a Battleship - there is a BIG difference between flying a battleship and fitting it and flying it properly, and with your characters age the second part is impossible. Why get hung up on a bs anyway? specialise in frigs and an af is your friend for making isk.
Oh can I have your stuff if you leave :-)
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Caromen Witmen
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Posted - 2006.06.19 18:58:00 -
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6 Weeks of mining sellign low ends to buy high ends then minign again to get in a raven
all the while payin for my skills btu I finaly got in first raven with les the 3 mill sp under my belt
Flew to cyrse space to hang with friends was board so I warped to a belt and woulda you know
I landed on a roid *and then roids didn't spit you out yougot stuck on em*
so a seriphem spawns and well so much for my raven and me broke
btu I had mates that I then worked with and lead me to the proper skils for a raven and my
butt stayed in cruisers till I had liek 6 mill sp in the right skils and its been free sailing since
Moral dotn rush the bs If I had had the skils I woulda killed that spawn and walked away no skils to go with ship means fast loss of ship for no reason with out even pvp involved
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Asunder
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Posted - 2006.06.19 19:56:00 -
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You can also make decent money by hauling commodities in empire. Buy yourself a decent hauler, fit it with some expanders, afterburner etc.
Open the market and drop down to the commodities/trade goods section and begin to analyze the buy/sell orders a bit. You fill find several oppurtunities to buy up a whole bunch of stuff (livestock, oxygen, seeds) and then haul it 4-10 jumps and sell at a higher price.
Depending on how much you buy and what the sell price is you can easily make 500k-several million isk per haul. Its not the most exciting way to earn isk--but its risk free and easy. Also something you can do half afk if you stick to sytems above .5.
Buy some stuff, find a market to sell it in at a higher price and autopilot your way there-while watching tv, surfing the web, chatting etc.
Of course the other ideas like missions, ratting in 0.0 or even .1/.2, buying a bcruiser instead of a bship are all outstanding as well.
If you get "into" the market stuff you could move to buying modules, checking buy/sell volumes in border systems (near 0.0) and hauling modules at low cost to sell in higher cost/higher risk systems. I am told that if you find the right products you can make a great amount of cash this way....
Many many ways to make isk-dont be in a rush to get into a battleship-most folks will tell you theyre not quite as fun as the smaller more versatile ships-there is much truth in that...
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.19 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Asunder
Many many ways to make isk-dont be in a rush to get into a battleship-most folks will tell you theyre not quite as fun as the smaller more versatile ships-there is much truth in that...
Most definently. At least for pvp, a good cruiser is far more enjoyable than running around in a slow battlecruiser or battleship, and can be replaced much easier as well.
Elite cruisers are, of course, the most fun of them all. Damn these training times...
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Misadventure
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Posted - 2006.06.19 20:06:00 -
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GOODBYE NOOBIE, it isnt any harder to make $ here than it is on WoW. If you are gonna leave this game for the hand held experience of wow then good luck LOL.
Go with the other babies. WAAA , it takes patience to get to the point to where you can make good money.
if you want something for nothing go elsewhere.
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Jason Marshall
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Posted - 2006.06.19 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jason Marshall on 19/06/2006 20:08:36
Well, think about it. A battleship is sooo expensive to people like me and you now, so i said screw it. And i have decided to train for T2 Assault Frigates, i can be usefull in some instances, and they are alot more sturdy then some other things i could fly. AND THEY ARE REALATIVLY CHEAP! at about 20m. Just training is gunna take a month. In the mean time im flying an incurses around catch trying to find something i can attack. And when needed ill go back to Parses and mine a bit. And yes i have thought about giving up, and i say im gunna quit about every time i get ganked =\. But i stay....because the enyo looks sexy with Light neutron Blaster II's and....one day ill be in a Thron =)
Hope it works out for you.
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OrionXL
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Posted - 2006.06.19 20:10:00 -
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Im redy to give you a 10mill Head start on your char for it to evolve if you whana give it a try. :) Free donation :)
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Ti anna
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Posted - 2006.06.19 20:51:00 -
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I plan on taking over the pentagon later this week, its just another corporation...
End of Line...
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Anisha Snow
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Posted - 2006.06.19 21:06:00 -
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Personally I am not rushing for a battle ship ...there are so many things the cruiser and frigate classes can do..especially the cruiser classes..
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Kurren
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Posted - 2006.06.19 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jazz Bo
Originally by: Conura
The reason I have cancelled my sub is becauseI find it so hard to make money, I know if I had, for example, a battleship (Which I do have the skills for BTW) I could rat in 0.0 to make money, but with just a Caracal, It's seemingly impossible to make the money to buy a Raven, and continue to progress in the game.
Young people these days...
Seriously, early on in the game it took most people about 6 months of solid playing to get their first battleship. I myself, like many others, mined all of the minerals I could in a Thorax, killed NPCs to get the rare minerals (any idea how long it takes to get enough Megacyte and Zydrine for a battleship from recycling modules?). And when you had it, you couldn't afford to insure it since Insurance was the same price, but for one week only. If you lost that ship, you got zero (o) isk, and were back to square one.
You... need... more... patience.
Hehehe, I remember vaguely a fleet battle occuring that was nothing but cruisers... maybe 1 or 2 battleships. It took me... well... a solid year to get my first battleship. It made it so sweet to fly it. To this day I still get happy looking at it.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.06.19 21:45:00 -
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Whatever. Have fun with the night elves.
It took me two years to get into a battleship. Given today's climate, it would take two months to get there from scratch. You get no sympathy for being lazy. If you find yourself unable to mine, hunt or mission for extended periods of time, maybe you should consider alternate venues of revenue. Like scamming, or killing, or something that involves player interaction.
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Triss S'Jet
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Posted - 2006.06.19 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Whatever. Have fun with the night elves.
It took me two years to get into a battleship. Given today's climate, it would take two months to get there from scratch. [..]
Gah! You kidding? I played for over three months, barely got money for BC, lost it, and went back to cruisers.
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Mineral Inquisitor
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Posted - 2006.06.19 21:52:00 -
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Are you crazy? It's wicked easy to make money in EVE.
I'm two weeks old (in EVE at least) and fly an Osprey cruiser equipped for mining. I can make over 1mil an hour just sitting in front of asteroids and turning on mymining lasers.
And 1mil an hour is pitiful by all other standards.
Just join a big corporation and revel in the support you recieve and the riches that the teamwork element brings. Don't expect to be rich very fast, because unless you're a scammer or ore thief, you actually have to work for your money in EVE. This is what makes the game so awesome, besides those moments when you burn down that fortune in one fast and furious battle. (Which I have thankfully not experienced yet... yes, I am a carebear. :P)
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.06.19 21:57:00 -
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You've spent too little time in game. Making ISK is not a problem, at least not a big problem when we are talking about buying ships. Eve is a great game worth exploring it, much better than WoW. It'll pass some time before you get what you can out of it, and it's certainly more than 130h.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.19 22:05:00 -
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Don't trash your character, you'll be back when clubbing baby seals (or whatever you do) gets boring.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2006.06.19 23:41:00 -
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Bah...
Train up an AS, an AS can easily handle most low end BS spawns in 0.0, especialy if you use the right race.
Plus it will get you on the road to TII goodness.
With an AS your pretty much invulnerable to 0.0 rats so long as you take out the escourting cruisers and frigs first. The Bs's don't even phase you most times.
The only real drawbacks to the AS as NPC ship include:
1: Small cargo bay... A smart idea would be to drop a large secure can somewhere in a safe spot, store some ammo in there, and put all loot in there, then pickup later. At most you will generaly only get 1-2 belts worth of loot into an AF. Of course if you pick and choose the good from the junk, you can cut this down a lot.
2: You will not be able to kill the really worthwhile things quickly, but this can also have the positive side effect that if it takes long enough, you can get a mini chain spawn happening... I have gone against 3 1.4 million BS's in my AF, and by the time I get 2 of em down, a new one will respawn, and with luck more will respawn after. however you need loads of ammo, and it's kind of Like Mining in terms of how easy and simple it really is but it's got that Evil explosion aspect that makes it more fun and less chore.
3: Unlike a BS you won't be taking out some NPC BS's at all, but they will not have much luck killing you either... so you can fly in, kill the escort, and go to another belt if you find a really top notch NPC BS, maybe even get a gang together and take him out if you want.
If your fighting the right NPC's for your Chosen ship race, you will be looking at between 5-10 million ISK an hour for virtualy no risk at all. In fact Iwould say it's almost as risk free as staying in an NPC corp and mining in empire in a ghosttown system, but the ISK payoff is about 1000% better.
So don't quit, expand your view of whats possible :)
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Fredou
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Posted - 2006.06.20 00:00:00 -
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what? you quit because you can't fly a BS?
after 14 months i'm still flying small/medium ships! (by choice )
I got the skill/isk/etc to fly a BS but I just hate flying one 
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Permian
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Posted - 2006.06.20 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Permian on 20/06/2006 01:37:30
Originally by: Raeff
going back to WoW after playing eve is just down right unholy .. your trading a blaster for a sword? pew pew man! PEW PEW!!!
lol
i bought wow last year. after two months i wanted to kill myself. its ******* horrible
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Father Weebles
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Posted - 2006.06.20 01:48:00 -
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When i was a newb i did lvl1-2 missions and didnt make too much. But I ratted in lowsec and got a lot of isk that way and eventually bought myself a ferox to do lvl3s. I never did lose my ferox, in fact i blew it up a couple of days ago to get the insurance pay out. And another thing is after doing lvl3s for about 3-4 weeks i gathered enough mins to build a battleship(Dominix) which i plan on flying very soon.
Just hang in there and save some money for a battlecruiser and run lvl3s(30mil implant storyline missions are nice ...
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Kamal Drax
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Posted - 2006.06.20 01:49:00 -
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Bye bye
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.06.20 01:56:00 -
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Making isk is as simple as mining veldspar.
The reason people don't is because it is mind-bogglingly boring. But if you really need isk badly in order to be able to risk it learning how to do something more fun, mining is your dull, dull and safe ticket to riches.
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Khristopher
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Posted - 2006.06.20 02:15:00 -
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Use your cruiser to make enough cash for a ferox. Ferox will allow you to rat in 0.0 and do lvl 3 missions. You can then work your way into a battleship.
To get my first Battleship (megathron) I mined kernite and the like in my moa (later I switched to gallente ships and I picked up a thorax. Recently I've made the switch back to caldari ships though but now i'm specced in both) and it took a very long time back then.
Now days you don't have to mine at all unless you want to. You can easily do ratting and missions to make plenty of money for ships. Not to mention with the addition of battlecruisers, assault ships, etc.. You don't even have to jump into a battleship unless you want to.
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ShadowStrike
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Posted - 2006.06.20 02:30:00 -
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a good way to make money is to join a corporation that live in 0.0 space, get in a hauler and go with some corp members that likes to hunt rats in 0.0, often, these players won't loot the cans, and will gladly let you do it, you then sell the good items found and refine the others, you can make many millions each days this way, and you'll have a battleship on your own in no time
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.06.20 02:41:00 -
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First thing I was told when I started was: "This game is a real grind to begin with, don't give up on it though, as it's so much more". I worked my way through the first couple of weeks, and have never regretted it.
It doesn't take long to gain your footing, and once you do, the game is completely different. :)
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