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No Lube ForU
Down Right Dirty
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:55:00 -
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Hi. Just wanna know what is the point of war deccing a corp. You dec them and the next day they create a new corp and all join it. Shouldn't be allowed to drop corp for at least 2 or 3 days if the corp gets decced.
I am just n new guy learning to gank. Have had a few success's and losses
I plan to gank them just gotta train up some skills as I cant bring down the macks solo
Any ways ty for reading my whine.
o7 |
Grenadier Greyback
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3
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Posted - 2014.06.23 12:04:00 -
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Whereas I agree that the wardec mechanics do need a little tweaking to avoid instant corp-jumping, your tears are almost as salty as a raging care bear.
just keep your head still while I hold this jug under your chin
You know, ganking helpless indy bears isn't the only thing you can do in high-sec right? A Song of Pods & Pew BOHICA! |
No Lube ForU
Down Right Dirty
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Posted - 2014.06.23 12:15:00 -
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Grenadier Greyback wrote:Whereas I agree that the wardec mechanics do need a little tweaking to avoid instant corp-jumping, your tears are almost as salty as a raging care bear. just keep your head still while I hold this jug under your chin You know, ganking helpless indy bears isn't the only thing you can do in high-sec right?
Well I wouldn't say I am a hard core ganker. This is my second dec and only 2 ganks. I have less than 3 mil skillpoints but still enjoying the game. What more is there to do in hi sec ?? ohhh wait ya mean go mine or grind mishs all day or the clicky clicky PI stuff ?? no thanks. I wanna play to have fun lol If ya want more tears I can whine about all the probs in the game but I haven't got all year and I sure you don't either lol |
Grenadier Greyback
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3
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Posted - 2014.06.23 12:33:00 -
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No Lube ForU wrote:Grenadier Greyback wrote:Whereas I agree that the wardec mechanics do need a little tweaking to avoid instant corp-jumping, your tears are almost as salty as a raging care bear. just keep your head still while I hold this jug under your chin You know, ganking helpless indy bears isn't the only thing you can do in high-sec right? Well I wouldn't say I am a hard core ganker. This is my second dec and only 2 ganks. I have less than 3 mil skillpoints but still enjoying the game. What more is there to do in hi sec ?? ohhh wait ya mean go mine or grind mishs all day or the clicky clicky PI stuff ?? no thanks. I wanna play to have fun lol If ya want more tears I can whine about all the probs in the game but I haven't got all year and I sure you don't either lol
Handy link was handy, and, unclicked it seems. A Song of Pods & Pew BOHICA! |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
1220
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Posted - 2014.06.23 12:43:00 -
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If you are doing this for 'fun', then why don't you War-Dec a corp that wants to bring a fight? I'm sure there are other like minded corps out there just like you.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4063
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:10:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:If you are doing this for 'fun', then why don't you War-Dec a corp that wants to bring a fight? I'm sure there are other like minded corps out there just like you.
But..but.. They shoot back... That's not fun! |
Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
3987
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:25:00 -
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It comes with the territory.
Move along and dec somebody else. Not saying they are cowards and pansies, but if that is what they choose why whine about it? "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |
Revis Owen
4
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:32:00 -
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No Lube ForU wrote:Hi. Just wanna know what is the point of war deccing a corp. You dec them and the next day they create a new corp and all join it.
If that happens and you REALLY have a h***-on for a particular group, AWOX them. It's free, a whole other fun challenge, and the tears can really rain down in buckets and be especially tasty. Agent of the New Order http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1113
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:42:00 -
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I'm of the camp that if a conflict-generation mechanic is going to exist at all, it should be meaningful and not full of holes.
In its current form I see the ability to drop corp and immediately shed a wardec as nothing short of an exploit and a negative impact on wars being meaningful. I also question the ability for a character to remain in an NPC corp forever, or do so with no substantive premium in tax rates.
I think its a perfectly reasonable request for individuals dropping a corp under wardec to carry that war with them as an individual until its expiry (or one week elapses).
I would further increase NPC corp taxes greatly, to incentivize people into player corps. Another alternative would be to allow NPC corporations to be wardecced.
As further incentive to conflict, I would put wardec fees into a bucket claimable by the defender based on agressor assets killed.
F Would you like to know more? |
Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
788
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:04:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:I'm of the camp that if a conflict-generation mechanic is going to exist at all, it should be meaningful and not full of holes.
In its current form I see the ability to drop corp and immediately shed a wardec as nothing short of an exploit and a negative impact on wars being meaningful. I also question the ability for a character to remain in an NPC corp forever, or do so with no substantive premium in tax rates.
I think its a perfectly reasonable request for individuals dropping a corp under wardec to carry that war with them as an individual until its expiry (or one week elapses).
I would further increase NPC corp taxes greatly, to incentivize people into player corps. Another alternative would be to allow NPC corporations to be wardecced.
As further incentive to conflict, I would put wardec fees into a bucket claimable by the defender based on agressor assets killed.
F
Yep.
I would also like to see -other- restrictions placed on NPC corps. You know how you cant train certain ships under a trial account? I would like to see such limitations on NPC mission runners and such. No marauders able to fly in NPC corp... or something like that. The idea should be to encourage players to GET OUT THERE and meet people, fly with them, and be a productive part of EvE... not single player mission running in an NPC corp until they quit the game from boredom.
Yeah, im sure there would be negative affects with that too... neutral alts and whatnot.
Just my two cents.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |
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Tengu Grib
Simple Inc Simple Group
191
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:56:00 -
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No Lube ForU wrote:Hi. Just wanna know what is the point of war deccing a corp. You dec them and the next day they create a new corp and all join it. Shouldn't be allowed to drop corp for at least 2 or 3 days if the corp gets decced. I am just n new guy learning to gank. Have had a few success's and losses I plan to gank them just gotta train up some skills as I cant bring down the macks solo Any ways ty for reading my whine. o7
I've found that you often want to target groups that actually have things to lose, like a POS or poco's. Even if you don't plan on going after those assets, it means they cannot afford to reform the corp. This doesn't really stop all their members from dropping corp though. If you ever get a POS owning corp to drop all it's members though, let me know, being able to go after a POS that cannot actually be defended would make me laugh. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
No Lube ForU
Down Right Dirty
3
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Posted - 2014.06.23 17:03:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:I'm of the camp that if a conflict-generation mechanic is going to exist at all, it should be meaningful and not full of holes.
In its current form I see the ability to drop corp and immediately shed a wardec as nothing short of an exploit and a negative impact on wars being meaningful. I also question the ability for a character to remain in an NPC corp forever, or do so with no substantive premium in tax rates.
I think its a perfectly reasonable request for individuals dropping a corp under wardec to carry that war with them as an individual until its expiry (or one week elapses).
I would further increase NPC corp taxes greatly, to incentivize people into player corps. Another alternative would be to allow NPC corporations to be wardecced.
As further incentive to conflict, I would put wardec fees into a bucket claimable by the defender based on agressor assets killed.
F
amen to that |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1308
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Posted - 2014.06.23 17:19:00 -
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A note on semantics. If you blow up someone's ship in a wardec, it isn't called a gank. It's called "honourable combat". As in, "my Catalyst met their Hulk in honourable combat and won the day." Wardeccing is the most gentlemanly form of PvP in the game. Where else do you give your targets 24 hour notice that you are coming to blap them?
Also, having glanced at your killboard, I'm impressed that you killed a POS with Executioners. That must have taken some doing. Looks like you are off to a pretty good start. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
786
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:05:00 -
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As pointed out, target corps that have tangible assets. Under current mechanics, POSes require corp standing and not every corp has the standing to re-anchor a POS, so may opt to defend it. POCOs would be the same. Even intangible assets such as a famous name. I know RvB or eve Uni will not all desert if you wardec them.
As for the standard requests of people not dropping corp or wardecs carrying over... You guys really think that will change anything? What would stop people from just docking up and using an alt or trial account for a week? Sure the income may not he as high, but you would avoid the aggressors. Then what would you request? It won't change anything. Seriously, aw long as people can dock, they can avoid wardecs, it is a part of the sandbox. Just as they can't force you to play their way, there will always be ways they don't have to play your way. |
Bronson Hughes
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:28:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:As pointed out, target corps that have tangible assets. Under current mechanics, POSes require corp standing and not every corp has the standing to re-anchor a POS, so may opt to defend it. FYI, this is slated to change in the July 22 update. After Crius, there will be no standings requirements to anchor a POS in hisec, and any system, excluding a few rookie systems, will be eligible, which means POSes iin 0.8+ systems. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
Grenadier Greyback
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:45:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:As pointed out, target corps that have tangible assets. Under current mechanics, POSes require corp standing and not every corp has the standing to re-anchor a POS, so may opt to defend it. POCOs would be the same. Even intangible assets such as a famous name. I know RvB or eve Uni will not all desert if you wardec them.
As for the standard requests of people not dropping corp or wardecs carrying over... You guys really think that will change anything? What would stop people from just docking up and using an alt or trial account for a week? Sure the income may not he as high, but you would avoid the aggressors. Then what would you request? It won't change anything. Seriously, aw long as people can dock, they can avoid wardecs, it is a part of the sandbox. Just as they can't force you to play their way, there will always be ways they don't have to play your way.
The "corp quit cooldown" when wardecced would only be feasible in conjunction with higher tax on NPC corps (and/or ship restrictions). Yes they could just make an alt corp, but any good aggressor will have done their homework on their target.
But above all, if God wills it, it will die. A Song of Pods & Pew BOHICA! |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
947
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:57:00 -
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No Lube ForU wrote:Hi. Just wanna know what is the point of war deccing a corp. You dec them and the next day they create a new corp and all join it. Shouldn't be allowed to drop corp for at least 2 or 3 days if the corp gets decced. I am just n new guy learning to gank. Have had a few success's and losses I plan to gank them just gotta train up some skills as I cant bring down the macks solo Any ways ty for reading my whine. o7 Okay you're missing the point of a wardec. Wardec is about one corporation wardecing another corporation. Not you wardecing a corporation. Eve isn't a single player game and if you can't even kill a single helpless miner how do you expect to cause any damage?
Most carebears don't jump corp because someone wardeced them. Many are oblivious to even what a wardec means. If wardecs were so ineffective why does Mermite have so many kills?
If all you want to do is gank miners just get in a destroyer and join a gank fleet. No wardec needed. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7422
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:57:00 -
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I suggest mission baiting instead, after you've had a run of dec dodgers. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
789
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Posted - 2014.06.23 19:14:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I suggest mission baiting instead, after you've had a run of dec dodgers.
Maybe a modification, or caveat, if you will... to the Kill it Forward program?
If you are dec dodged, take your frustrations out on a innocent, and inform them to seek payment for their mission boat from the dec-dodger corp whom caused their loss. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
177
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Posted - 2014.06.23 19:22:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I suggest mission baiting instead, after you've had a run of dec dodgers. Maybe a modification, or caveat, if you will... to the Kill it Forward program? If you are dec dodged, take your frustrations out on a innocent, and inform them to seek payment for their mission boat from the dec-dodger corp whom caused their loss.
you might be on to something amazing https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331004 - thank me later |
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Cyran Reinhard
hashtag WARDEC
20
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Posted - 2014.06.23 19:35:00 -
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No Lube ForU wrote:Hi. Just wanna know what is the point of war deccing a corp. You dec them and the next day they create a new corp and all join it. Shouldn't be allowed to drop corp for at least 2 or 3 days if the corp gets decced.
It's a lot of hit and miss.
https://wttsb.zkillboard.com/corporation/98308975/wars/ |
Cyran Reinhard
hashtag WARDEC
20
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Posted - 2014.06.23 19:39:00 -
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IIshira wrote: Okay you're missing the point of a wardec. Wardec is about one corporation wardecing another corporation. Not you wardecing a corporation. Eve isn't a single player game and if you can't even kill a single helpless miner how do you expect to cause any damage?
Cannibal Kane does Solo wardecs.
My corp only has two people and we wardec. |
Grenadier Greyback
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6
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Posted - 2014.06.23 19:57:00 -
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I suggest mission baiting instead, after you've had a run of dec dodgers. Maybe a modification, or caveat, if you will... to the Kill it Forward program? If you are dec dodged, take your frustrations out on a innocent, and inform them to seek payment for their mission boat from the dec-dodger corp whom caused their loss. you might be on to something amazing
Dec It Forward Copyright -¬ The Devil's Warrior Alliance
:P A Song of Pods & Pew BOHICA! |
Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
789
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:00:00 -
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Grenadier Greyback wrote: Dec It Forward Copyright -¬ The Devil's Warrior Alliance
:P
Contacting Ripard Teg, space lawyer extraordinaire, for trademark suit!
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |
Grenadier Greyback
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:02:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Grenadier Greyback wrote: Dec It Forward Copyright -¬ The Devil's Warrior Alliance
:P
Contacting Ripard Teg, space lawyer extraordinaire, for trademark suit!
lol :P A Song of Pods & Pew BOHICA! |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
947
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:14:00 -
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Cyran Reinhard wrote:IIshira wrote: Okay you're missing the point of a wardec. Wardec is about one corporation wardecing another corporation. Not you wardecing a corporation. Eve isn't a single player game and if you can't even kill a single helpless miner how do you expect to cause any damage?
Cannibal Kane does Solo wardecs. My corp only has two people and we wardec. Not saying it can't be done but if you're pilot can't win a fight with a mining barge perhaps solo isn't the best option.
Since there are no rules requiring a fair engagement numbers can significantly turn the favor to a low SP pilot. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2584
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:19:00 -
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Until the great war dec reimagining such as Feyd proposes, find POCO, look up corp that owns it, dec corp. Same goes for POSes. The main problem with most hisec corps is they are little more than tax scams and chat channels. They really have no reason to exist and therefore dropping corp is a reasonable action for the pilot who doesn't want to fight. The only ones who won't have that option are ones that have attackable assets.
That said, I wardeced a bunch of corps in my last corporation. Most stayed together at least until they started to die. A couple countered me effecively enough to shut me down. So keep making risk happen in hisec. You'll get some that will play. Wardec in the name of the New Order and the chances of them having a fantastic freak out and fighting you go up considerably. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
744
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:49:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:I'm of the camp that if a conflict-generation mechanic is going to exist at all, it should be meaningful and not full of holes.
In its current form I see the ability to drop corp and immediately shed a wardec as nothing short of an exploit and a negative impact on wars being meaningful. I also question the ability for a character to remain in an NPC corp forever, or do so with no substantive premium in tax rates.
I think its a perfectly reasonable request for individuals dropping a corp under wardec to carry that war with them as an individual until its expiry (or one week elapses).
I would further increase NPC corp taxes greatly, to incentivize people into player corps. Another alternative would be to allow NPC corporations to be wardecced.
As further incentive to conflict, I would put wardec fees into a bucket claimable by the defender based on agressor assets killed.
F Honestly, all they have to do to get people out of NPC corps is apply the current tax rate market transactions and contracts. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
354
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:19:00 -
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I'm still having a hard time bridging the logical disjunction between "Being able to wardec anyone in hisec on a whim is sound use of game mechanics" and "people with nothing to defend dodging wardecs is abuse of game mechanics".
I'm down for wardecs being meaningful but they shouldn't just be a mechanism for hisec content generators to punish people for leaving NPC corps. |
Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
48
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Posted - 2014.06.24 00:09:00 -
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There's an easy solution here: declare war on corps that are able and willing to fight back.
Yeah, I know, it's scary.
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