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Ed Gein	Posted - 2006.06.21 06:48:00 - [31] Originally by: xeom Ah my mistake matey,i mixed 2 of the setups i had in mind.Replace that damage mod with a PDS and it fits. Still isn't a great setup because the cap is so crippled with the mwd. The injector will help, but by the time you use mwd, you will be starting those dual reps on so little cap, you will be an easy nos target even with the injector. Secondly the base armor is aweful on the phoon. If your going to armor tank, you have to have a plate. Better tank would be dual reps, 3 hardners, plate and swicth the mwd for an AB. And that is not a "low skill" setup. Without advanced weapon upgrades a noob will not have pg for that, even with a pdu.
xeom	Posted - 2006.06.21 06:56:00 - [32] Well i consided myself low sp <.<. And ive found the cap booster is more then enough.You should have to use the MWD much sence you have good range. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Altar Mei	Posted - 2006.06.21 08:22:00 - [33] It's still a flying trash can and totally outclassed in almost everyway by the Tempest. Especially considering you'll need to train for t2 heavy drones to get the most out of it. Not to mention it's the most expensive tier 1 BS and suffers fitting issues due to it's hybrid weapon system. It really feels like the devs ran out of ideas when they put that piece of garbage together. I love being specialized in minmatar but I'm pretty tired of only one real choice when it comes down to selecting a BS.
schurem	Posted - 2006.06.21 09:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Altar Mei It's still a flying trash can and totally outclassed in almost everyway by the Tempest. Especially considering you'll need to train for t2 heavy drones to get the most out of it. Not to mention it's the most expensive tier 1 BS and suffers fitting issues due to it's hybrid weapon system. It really feels like the devs ran out of ideas when they put that piece of garbage together. I love being specialized in minmatar but I'm pretty tired of only one real choice when it comes down to selecting a BS. blah blah blah read the description on it. skill up. feel like a man for flying it and not that other bs. <<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free Or Die Trying >>>> Typhoon for the win. Nastier than whats faster, faster than whats nastier!
Sae Marr	Posted - 2006.06.21 09:45:00 - [35] I see no reason to complain, really. You can fit an mwd, cap booster, a dual rep tank, field 5 heavy drones with drone bay space to spare and deal all types of damage at good range while using no cap. I know I'm looking forward to flying one.
Noriath	Posted - 2006.06.21 09:49:00 - [36] Typhoon is very powerful now, but it remains the most skill demanding battleship in the game, using all 3 main categories of weapons and greatly benefitting from high fitting and stat-increase skills as well.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.06.21 10:14:00 - [37] Heinky dude, fit target painters and watch as every muppet in eve beats your through simple jamming :¦( Also do 4 siege lunchers and 4 auctocannons on a phoon actually outdamage 6 acs and 2 siegelaunchers on a tempest? - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
madaluap	Posted - 2006.06.21 10:18:00 - [38] typhoon is awesome just 2 changements: 1. swarp around shield and armor 2. more pg and thats it, wont be overpowered, it will just be a nice ship. _________________________________________________
Omega Bloodstone	Posted - 2006.06.21 11:48:00 - [39] This is my take on the new phoon. They removed a range bonus and gave it 2 seperate rate of fire bonuses. This allows you to go with turrents or launchers and still NOS. It allows for a younger pvper to be selective based on what they have better skills in. Its better than before thats for **** sure. I'm not gonna sit here on a thread and complain about a ships obvious improvement. CCP could have left it the way it was, however they viewed the ship in a more universal way. It can pvp, run missions, and rat well now. It may not be the best turrent boat, or the best missle boat, but it can accomodate for alot more uses. And please dont complain about an increase in dps...I'll take 1 dps improvement over 0. I flew it around for like 5 hours last night and it is way better. I think a little more grid is needed for sure...but all and all...Thank you CCP for at least realizing the phoon was needing some attention and improving its multipurpose qualities...
Godar Marak	Posted - 2006.06.21 11:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Testy Mctest I'd call you a moron, but Im not like that. stay on topic

Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.21 12:02:00 - [41] Originally by: madaluap typhoon is awesome just 2 changements: 1. swarp around shield and armor 2. more pg and thats it, wont be overpowered, it will just be a nice ship. What he said. TEAM MINMATAR - In Rust We Trust -
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.06.21 12:32:00 - [42] Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 21/06/2006 12:32:48 ° 13 -_-
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.06.21 12:33:00 - [43] It is not suppose to be perfect, stop whining! Its like my wanting a powergrid and cpu increase on the Raven... 13 -_-
Jet Collins	Posted - 2006.06.21 13:40:00 - [44] Edited by: Jet Collins on 21/06/2006 13:47:12 Kamikaze setup 4tw!!! High 4 'ARBALEST' SIEGE MISSILE LAUNCHER 4 800MM REPEATING ARTILLERY II MID TARGET PAINTER WEBBER (PREFERABLY NAMED) QUAD LIF FUELED I BOOSTER ROCKETS 1 Large Clarity Ward Booster I (your choice) Low 3 BALLISTIC CONTROL SYSTEM II 3 GYROSTABILIZER II 1 Type-E Power Core Modification: Diagnostic System (your choice) This all fits with my skills on quick fix now. As far as I know quick fit has not been updated with the current changes to I do now know the full DPS but its should be well over 700 in structure, with my skills, ie not the best but by no means the worst. On large targets this set up can do decent damage with standard Ammo and standard drones . If you winning bump him, if you losing RUN!! Remember is still a fast BS. Hey I know its not a smart or even good set up but it sure can do damage. would be nice though if it did have more CPU to either fit the shield booster or the PG to fit the Large Repaier but ohh well, it is a damage set up and I suppose your not suppost to be able to tank..
Harum Skarum	Posted - 2006.06.21 13:40:00 - [45] Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 20/06/2006 21:53:51 Originally by: Weirda well said Redd. Weirda say that long time ago - but nobody care. 100% agree though... Ever since i saw what Red Six has on his vagabond, i stopped caring for his opinion about any minmatar ships And yea, swap the armor/shield HP already.
Arkanjuca	Posted - 2006.06.21 13:54:00 - [46] Stop comparing typhoon to tempest, its different tiers BS Lets compare the typhoon with the others Tier 1 BSs: Typhoon has the second best PG Typhoon has the second best CPU Typhoon is the only one who fits 8 weapons Typhoon has the second best Drone Bay Typhoon has the second best Structure (real man tank hull) Typhoon has the worst armor (just as the scorpion) Typhoon has the second best shield (but only 4 med slots, i know) Typhoon has the best speed by far Typhoon has the lowest mass (Agile) Typhoon has the lowest sig (means less dmg from missiles, lock time, miss chance...) Typhoon has the best scan resolution (better lock times) And now look at the races roles: Ammar is laser/armor and capacitor. Caldari is EW/Missiles/Shield. Gallente is Blaster/Drones/Armor. Minmatar is Speed/LotsOfGuns/low sig. And the tier 1 BSs reflect that quite nicely. Its hard to fit, but, use your creativity, typhoon let you do so "It,s a good day do flight"
Omega Bloodstone	Posted - 2006.06.21 14:10:00 - [47] Originally by: Arkanjuca Stop comparing typhoon to tempest, its different tiers BS Lets compare the typhoon with the others Tier 1 BSs: Typhoon has the second best PG Typhoon has the second best CPU Typhoon is the only one who fits 8 weapons Typhoon has the second best Drone Bay Typhoon has the second best Structure (real man tank hull) Typhoon has the worst armor (just as the scorpion) Typhoon has the second best shield (but only 4 med slots, i know) Typhoon has the best speed by far Typhoon has the lowest mass (Agile) Typhoon has the lowest sig (means less dmg from missiles, lock time, miss chance...) Typhoon has the best scan resolution (better lock times) And now look at the races roles: Ammar is laser/armor and capacitor. Caldari is EW/Missiles/Shield. Gallente is Blaster/Drones/Armor. Minmatar is Speed/LotsOfGuns/low sig. And the tier 1 BSs reflect that quite nicely. Its hard to fit, but, use your creativity, typhoon let you do so thanks man...great post. there you go boys and gals with complaints...all and all it is just as good if not better than the other tier 1's...
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.06.21 14:14:00 - [48] Originally by: Arkanjuca Caldari is EW/Missiles/Shield. You forgot "rails". -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:30:00 - [49] Originally by: Arkanjuca Stop comparing typhoon to tempest, its different tiers BS Lets compare the typhoon with the others Tier 1 BSs: Typhoon has the second best PG Typhoon has the second best CPU Typhoon is the only one who fits 8 weapons And this is where your argument falls down. Grid and PG are only good relative to the modules that the ship will fit. Second best PG? Sure, but relative to the type of things you should be able to fit on it, it still doesnt have enough. It is the only Tier 1 BS that fits 8 weapons for sure - but as it doesnt have the grid to fit the whole ship, it becomes a lot less relavant. Team Minmatar Competition Results! Scrapheap Challenge Forums!
Omega Bloodstone	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:40:00 - [50] 4 x Dual 650mm II 4 x Arblest Cruise 1 x Heavy Cap Injector 1 x Tracking Disruptor II 1 x X5 Webber 1 x Fleeting 20KM Scrambler 1 x RCU II 1 x 1600mm Rolled 1 x Explosive Hardener II 1 x Thermal Hardener II 1 x Kinetic Hardener II 2 x Large Repper II try this out it is

Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.06.21 17:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Arkanjuca Stop comparing typhoon to tempest, its different tiers BS Lets compare the typhoon with the others Tier 1 BSs: Typhoon has the second best PG Typhoon has the second best CPU Typhoon is the only one who fits 8 weapons Typhoon has the second best Drone Bay Typhoon has the second best Structure (real man tank hull) Typhoon has the worst armor (just as the scorpion) Typhoon has the second best shield (but only 4 med slots, i know) Typhoon has the best speed by far Typhoon has the lowest mass (Agile) Typhoon has the lowest sig (means less dmg from missiles, lock time, miss chance...) Typhoon has the best scan resolution (better lock times) And now look at the races roles: Ammar is laser/armor and capacitor. Caldari is EW/Missiles/Shield. Gallente is Blaster/Drones/Armor. Minmatar is Speed/LotsOfGuns/low sig. And the tier 1 BSs reflect that quite nicely. Its hard to fit, but, use your creativity, typhoon let you do so ehm just 1 problem... you are comparing typhonn with an EW ship, a Drone ship and a turret ship is quite natural that a drone or EW ship will have not high PG, not to say that such ships have just 6 high slots so they don't need a huge pg amount to do a decent fitting worst armor (just as a scorp) lol with "just" the difference that the scorpion is an EW/shield ship and phoon is an armor tank one. also scan is the best but is also the easiest ship to jam... and how about the targetting range? (is the worse) it also fits 8 weapons ok, but it apply just a "normal" damage bonus to each a geddom apply 2 bonuses to each of its turret a domi apply 1 damage bonus on 6 turrets + another dmg bonus on 5 drones... same for damage mods... 1 mod on the phoon is applied to 4 weapons, on other ships on 6-7 weapons. and to the op... lol 4 dmg mods and use 3 low to armor tank it in close range? it will last 10 sec and the damage is inferior to a geddon who use 2 dmg mods
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.06.22 01:34:00 - [52] This is my standard NPC fitting so im not sure where all the RCU and PDS comin from. H 4xSiege 4xDual 425mm Autocannon M 1x100MN MWD 3xCap Recharger L 1x1600 Tungsten 1xLarge Armor Repairer II 5xArmor Hardner Works just fine for NPC. Now for pvp I just realized that I do use Missiles. Its been so long I cant believe thats what I fitted. H 4xSiege 4xL Nosferatu M 1xWebber 1xTracking Disruptor 1xScrambler 1x Whatever L 1xLarge Armor Rep 1xMed Armor Rep 4xHardener 1xRCU I guess this patch will boost my setup. But I would never take it up against any other BS anyway. Its hard enough to win in a Tempest, let alone a Typhoon... ____ "If your not dyin' your not tryin'." "Are you prepared to go all the way, Alexi?" DuGalle
xaioguai	Posted - 2006.06.22 02:24:00 - [53] Originally by: Omega Bloodstone 4 x Dual 650mm II 4 x Arblest Cruise 1 x Heavy Cap Injector 1 x Tracking Disruptor II 1 x X5 Webber 1 x Fleeting 20KM Scrambler 1 x RCU II 1 x 1600mm Rolled 1 x Explosive Hardener II 1 x Thermal Hardener II 1 x Kinetic Hardener II 2 x Large Repper II try this out it is NO propulsion mod? how are you going to get to autocannon range? silly Raven mission runner with silly suggestion
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.06.22 02:25:00 - [54] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 21/06/2006 04:35:53 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Red Six Good luck with your power grid. The Typhoon(if they stuck with the changes listed and didn't add to the PG still at work) is short on power grid and you will have a very hard time fitting 8 weapons, damage mods and a tank. It will be interesting to say the least especially since I've been flying them since December 2003 and learned to use the optimal range bonus to my advantage. Oh well, time to relearn to fly this ship. 8 weapons is 2 more than you'll find on ravens. I'm sure there's SOMEBODY out there somewhere with a pair of autocannons on his torp raven or something... Injected ravens can use 2 Dual 425mm's pretty well... although it takes 3 PDU IIs and an RCU II to do it. Use hail as well. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Arkanjuca	Posted - 2006.06.22 03:24:00 - [55] Edited by: Arkanjuca on 22/06/2006 03:26:08 To the points Ath. Originally by: Ath Amon ehm just 1 problem... you are comparing typhonn with an EW ship, a Drone ship and a turret ship So what? all tier 1 with his powers and weakness... Originally by: Ath Amon is quite natural that a drone or EW ship will have not high PG, not to say that such ships have just 6 high slots so they don't need a huge pg amount to do a decent fitting Who said you MUST fit it with the largest weapon available? Originally by: Ath Amon worst armor (just as a scorp) lol with "just" the difference that the scorpion is an EW/shield ship and phoon is an armor tank one. That one is true, i said just in a meaning that it is as crap as scorpion armor, your right in that point. Originally by: Ath Amon also scan is the best but is also the easiest ship to jam... and how about the targetting range? (is the worse) ALL minmatar ships have the lowest targeting range and the best scan, and the majority of the fights takes place at close range, not a big issue, first lock, first dmg/ecm/whatever. Originally by: Ath Amon it also fits 8 weapons ok, but it apply just a "normal" damage bonus to each a geddom apply 2 bonuses to each of its turret a domi apply 1 damage bonus on 6 turrets + another dmg bonus on 5 drones... same for damage mods... 1 mod on the phoon is applied to 4 weapons, on other ships on 6-7 weapons. Thats ok, there isnt one obvius way of fitting this bs, all others have one or 2 fits. again, im not defending that its the best BS around, i only pointed to his pros and cons so people can explore it. It IS an usable BS. It IS worth. And it IS damn versatile. Know what? what you expect when you see a Typhoon as enemy? i know what to expect from any other BS... "It,s a good day do flight"
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.06.22 06:07:00 - [56] 4 x siege II 4 x dual 650 II 1 x mwd 1 x warp disrupter 2 x Multispectral jammers 3 x BCU II 4 x nano fibers if you are in a group.. just go with 3 painters.. and rage
Thesper	Posted - 2006.06.22 08:27:00 - [57] It's a shame Rage torps are pretty short range. Otherwise you could synchronise your speed with theirs and work up a massive bump + alpha strike.
Wan Nathiil	Posted - 2006.06.22 12:58:00 - [58] You guys are forgetting one very important feature the Phoon has: It looks cool
Jennifae	Posted - 2006.06.22 16:59:00 - [59] I love minnie ship threads. The resembles rage from the ghetto. Like rap music right? :p hehe. "livin in a minnie paradise" "missiles and the ac, ac and missiles" "minute after minute, hour after hour foo" Don't worry guys. The "man" still has you down!
Red Six	Posted - 2006.06.22 17:25:00 - [60] Originally by: Arkanjuca Know what? what you expect when you see a Typhoon as enemy? i know what to expect from any other BS... I honestly expect a NOS/Missle/Drone Tank or a NOS/Missle/Drone speed setup not much else because that's how people typically fly them.



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